Guild Wars 2

The OP is making a point about the imbalanced and skilless passive traits in this game, “Defy Pain” being one of the biggest offenders.

I agree with you completely.

Splatter Paw.7238:

If i recall shortbow was NEVER nerfed so i dont know how we would nerf it “more”. Second why should it be nerfed? Cause some people abuse its evade? Other class’s can maintain 100% vigor without trying and dodge to there happiest desires and its a issue that was can spam a backward evade 3 maybe 4 times (at what point were out of ini and sitting ducks) So i disagree, besides haven’t we eatin the bat of nerfs enough the last 6 months?

Trickshot is no longer heatseeking and clusterbomb damage was reduced and it’s range was reduced to 900 from 1200.

Mosharn.8357:

NinjaEd.3946:

Watch out, next body shot is going to be nerfed because it has too many effects. After that backstab is going to turn into heal stab and you heal the enemy for striking their back. Maybe we should just get a pointy stick and stay in SoAB because people can’t seem to live with thief anymore unless it turns into easy mode for a 3yr old.

isnt it already easy mode for a 3 year old. I havent played my thief in months and was easily killing people with an outdated build. It dosent take much to kill as a thief just 5 and 1 and here and there a heal and a basilisk venom.

Truly thou hath mastered the way of the Shadow, teach us your ways O Grandmaster so that we too may striketh fear unto the heart of thy foe!

As far as I’m aware you just get the duration of the boons from the player you stole them from.

Yes, boon duration affects the two trickery steal traits.

No.

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Watch tournament streams and videos by skilled Thieves such as Caed and Jumper (popular examples). You’ll soon learn what our role is in a tournament and be able to practice in SoloQ.

Honestly, unless you’re on a VOIP program, Shadow Refuge is a waste of a utility slot because most people will keep attacking while downed and get revealed anyway. Devourer Venom is aided by VOIP too, but at least you can use it for your bursts.

You’re doing nothing wrong, enjoy your build and have fun.

Bads gunna bad, l2p scrub.

I absolutely love most of these changes, though I disagree with just a few of the nerfs (I cbf posting which, it’s not like Anet is going to magically implement your list anyway, as amazing as that would be).

That being said, WHAT THE HELL MAN? YOU CAN’T ASK FOR TEEF BUFFS, STEALTH OP, EVADES OP, THIEF OP, THIEFHITFOR2KBETTERNERFALLISVAIN!

How many times does it have to be said? D/P pseudo-permastealth was already nerfed on the 10th of Dec and it is now impossible to maintain it without the use of utilities with lengthy cooldowns. In fact, maintaining it while doing noticeable damage is close to impossible.

Now venoms are OP? What’s next, traps? LOL!

10/30/0/0/30 D/P + SB has been the meta for burst Thief for months now, I’m not sure why you are under the impression that is is only since the 10th Dec patch.

OP is clearly a necro main with barely any experience on a Thief, lol. You’re not fooling anyone buddy, sorry.

Sanduskel.1850:

I have several thieves and I agree that stealth is laughably broken in this game. I find it ridiculously easy to down multiple enemies due to my ability to perma stealth at will after the last patch. Anet made it much easier to perma stealth, the opposite of what many of we thieves wanted. I strongly encourage that you persistantly send respectful feedback to ANET about the ability to stealth while in combat. I would like me thieves to offer a challenge again.

This is a blatant lie, it’s now harder to gain pseudopermenant stealth than before the patch.

Also, I seriously can’t believe the amount of people in this thread who haven’t even played a Thief commenting on what a Thief does and how. Half of you haven’t heard of the revealed debuff and the other half doesn’t even know how long Thieves can stay in stealth for in reality.

Rank requirement = fail.

Why not just get ruby orbs for the precision that you’re missing to boost your damage while not losing any crit damage?

Arganthium.5638:

I made my own warrior build, now I’m invincible.

No, seriously though. BS’d something, and I can’t tell you how much better I’m doing on a class I’ve played for an hour versus a class that I’ve played for 1000 hours.

Similar experience here, I theorycrafted a roamer in two hours and does practically everything my Thief does but better and with less effort. The only thing I miss is SB, lol.

This topic is against the rules, and tbh, no one really gives a kitten if you quit or not.

I still don’t understand why people post the standard x/30/30/x/x D/D build and claim it as their own, lol.

Also, real men go 25/30/0/0/15 D/D + S/P and 4 Signets.

I love how you replied to everyone but me, lol.

I took my thief into pvp for several days just because people kept telling me this. I ran sword/pistol and got damage and kills in with impunity. There was literally nothing that anyone could do to stop me even if I didn’t manage to kill a target. I didn’t even need practice.

In other words, you’ve played Thief for less than 12 hours and your only PvP experience with Thief was in hotjoin. I play Thief competitively in a team and I can tell just by reading that portion of your post that you have absolutely no idea about Thief or what it needs changed.

It also brings your credibility into question in relation to your other changes. Don’t get me wrong, I support your idea of making changes to skills to meet the original design proposed by Anet, but you clearly aren’t experienced enough to do so.

Also, Thieves do have cool downs, that’s what initiative is, a global cool down mechanic. It is a discussion for another topic that was done to death a year ago, but it is a fact that you keep changing to suit your posts.

Thief +15 Acro + III in the 10 point slot of Acro + Withdraw + Roll for Initiative + Signet of Agility + Signet of Shadows = the fastest orb carrier.

Try it some time.

THIS JUST IN, PERMASTEALTH WAS DELETED FROM THE GAME 16 DAYS AGO!

Holy kitten at the amount of people who still spout bullkitten about Theives being able to permastealth. Not only does stealth != invulnerability and anyone with two brain cells to rub together can counter it, but permastealth was removed in the 10th of December patch by changing Infusion of Shadow to not give initiative if you use a stealth ability while already in stealth.

Mbelch.9028:

At least you’re no longer in Ele forums. Good post Burnfail.

He’s been posting here for months, his threads are a weekly laugh.

You’re right, Thieves greatest advantage is mobility, so why do you have none? Your lack of Shortbow drastically reducses your mobility to the point that you’re slower than anyone with swiftness (with the exception of Heartseeker spam down to quarry on LotF, etc).

Furthermore, your stealth traits are wasted in any fight you assist in and your toughness + amulet choice lowers your damage considerably.

This is just my constructive criticism, btw. I just feel like your build is suboptimal and inferior to even the old 25/30/0/0/15.

LOL @ your Thief suggestions, talk about gutting an already dead class. It’s very hard to take you seriously when you post suggestions like that.

I have nothing against people posting their builds, but this is pretty much the standard x/30/30/x/x build, why would you bother posting it? I can’t imagine you’d be very useful in PvP either. Stealth is useless for capping points and time spent in stealth rejuvenating your health is time you’re not doing anything for your team.

I haves sneaking suspicion that you know nothing about economics.

This thread is FIVE MONTHS OLD.

25/30/0/0/15
Might on Signet use
D/D + SB
4 Signets + Scholar
Strat: Burst and then run away/die when someone sneezes in your direction.

Wait, I thought we were talking about WvW, not PvE, lol. In PvE you just go 100% Zerker with 25/30/0/0/15 D/D + SB and chain with Executioner and that’s been established as the best for over a year.

In WvW Soldier + Zerker is the best and this has been proven in the thread above.

Big Tower.5423:

Infact valk gear is better than soliders/zerkers and aint useless. Most of d/D thieves’s damage comes from backstabs which allways crits if you got hidden killer. And no you cant just think EHP and Attack power. As precison dossnt matter on a hidden killer backstab. And vitality matters more when youre bouncing in stealth due to heavy condtions and chaincondi. allows you to surive a burst/condi chain more. You gotta speak of experince and thinking wisely instead of calculating with a calculator.You prolly agree if you read this whole kitten. But valk + hidden killer vs full zerker + hidden killer on of you got applied fortidute the guard defense wxp trait. Go valk + hidden killer until you get that. Best stats for roaming is: About 3 k attack. 105 % or more crit damage. 2300 armor and 16 k hp (No applied fortidute) 14 k HP (with applied fortidute) WvWvW perspective.

Do not listen to a single word that Big says, he refuses to change his position on the armour debate despite being shown countless evidence and being proved undeniably wrong a billion times. He is completely ignorant of the mathematics of this game and refuses to acknowledge it.

I repeat, IGNORE BIG UNLESS YOU WANT TO WASTE YOUR GEAR MONEY.

That being said, please read the link I posted above, Cond, it contains actual hard evidence for the best possible min-max combinations for a D/D Thief running x/30/30/x/x from a long time theorycrafter who actually knows what he’s talking about.

Valkyrie is total crap because your crit damage is worthless without precision. Full Zerker (weapons, armour, trinkets) with soldier helm, coat, and pants is the best mix.

Source: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Building-a-better-D-D-thief/page/3#post3077714

RaZaC.1963:

would have voted “yes” if not for the option “all is vain”

You can vote both.

http://intothemists.com/calc/?build=-c3RV;1Rw-_06-V-Fd0;9;49T;0T2;002A;446B5BW4;2F-03F-035Bw

I cbf recording a video, go watch Caed’s Twitch videos for an example of it being used in tPvP. You can also watch him use it in the 2v2 tournaments.

Also, it’s not a duel build, it’s a team build. Fighting you 1v1 with just Shortbow would prove nothing. A weapon set doesn’t have to be used as a primary in imbalanced, irrelevant duels for it to be good.

Great necro post, this thread is only 3 months old!

Romek.4201:

sticky are only thread where you can find guides links or other important things

this thread is fine but not worth to be sticky cause nothing to learn/find or whatever

It is a poetic guide to SoloQ, it deserves a sticky!

ALL IS VAIN!

Basically they had 2 teams of 8 stand at the bottom of Skyhammer near the big panel, one team attacks the other and they jump off to their deaths and then when they respawned they switched and repeated… Something like that. It netted thousands of glory and rank points in a short amount of time and was stupidly easy to abuse and get to rank 50-60.

Anet has stated before that they know who did it and how many rank points and glory they obtained from it but have refused to comment ever since for some ridiculous reason or another.

Sole people still run S/D + SB 10/30/0/30/0 but they’re just gimping themselves imo. A lot of S/D Thieves switched to SB + D/P 10/30/0/0/30.

Incurafy.6329:

I use my shortbow 90% of the time as a primary weapon, the other 10% being swapping to another set for a burst, as do most Thieves who play in tPvP such as Caed and Jumper (two popular examples).

Shortbow is 100% fine as primary weapon set, stop asking for buffs just because you don’t know how to use it properly.

I love how my post telling you that Shortbow is used as a primary weapon in a tPvP was completely ignored, LOL.

I use my shortbow 90% of the time as a primary weapon, the other 10% being swapping to another set for a burst, as do most Thieves who play in tPvP such as Caed and Jumper (two popular examples).

Shortbow is 100% fine as primary weapon set, stop asking for buffs just because you don’t know how to use it properly.

I hit for 8,344,000 all the time with Wild Strike on rabbits in WvW, hitting it on a player is impossible though.

Fail troll is fail, stop being so obvious! You’re affecting our tyrannical rule in the opposition of freedom and justice!

I’ve never understood why people get so dramatic over nerfs and say they’re deleting their characters. Nerfs suck, I agree, but deleting a character over it? Just don’t play that character and save all.of your hard work and effort for later when they get buffed again, lol…

Honestly, Shortbow is fine. I use mine 90% of the time in tPvP and only swap to D/P to burst. The damage and utility of the set is perfect, the only set that rivals it is D/P.

Butch.4957:

I guess you play a ranger or something else because thieves do not have a fire field AoE. Keep in mind that most other classes only have a few seconds of stealth so it ends quickly and that could be the cause of u leaving stealth. We have a poison field AoE and i think that might take us out of stealth (never really tried that, always had more important skills to use while in stealth) but that is not part of your original question.

No it doesn’t because it doesn’t apply any power based direct damage, the same goes for Caltrops. The stolen Engineer skill Throw Gunk is an example of a field that does direct damage which is why it applies revealed.

They should just rollback all balance to March 2013 and start over from there, lol.

Excellent post, agreed.

It’s still perfectly fine and most Thieves running D/D go x/30/30/x/x with Hidden Killer at the core. Look up Yishis and I Am Mugi before making your final decision, but keep in mind that they are very good players.

need sticky
or
all is vain

For PvP: 25/30/0/0/15 or 10/30/0/0/30, everything else sucks.