Guild Wars 2

What about Priest of Grenth from arah p4? That’s like one of the most boring fights there is. Seriously, the four elite mobs that you need to kill prior to fight are more challenging and interesting than the whole boss fight.

Stargazer in arah P1. I don’t know who thought that it is fun to stand around for 2 minutes doing nothing while boss kills himself. Well it is NOT fun.

Subject alpha is stupid also. After you get the hang of dodging rhythm it’s just mindless bashing. Please less twitchy dodging and more actual mechanics.

That are the first things that come to mind.

I would prefer anet to merge vitality and healing power, tbh. Cause most heals are so pitifull that any major investement in vitality becomes pointless, since you can’t heal yourself back up to full in combat anyway (unless you’re AH guardian). It’s a rather worthless stat to stack in most cases, just get enough to survive bursts.

In PvE:
I was using Shelter when I was in AH-build. Cause you have enough healing from buffs, so shelter was just a situational block, not really a healing skill.

Now, without AH, I prefer signet more. The heal is very nice, condition removal always welcome and 32 seconds cd if traited. The reason is – now I actually need to use healing skill to restore health sometimes, so I can’t just use shelter to block and waste my heal.

Well we don’t have any other use for karma anyways. So I don’t see why you wouldn’t want spending it on boxes.

Sure it’s random and profit varies and you tend to get more lodestones only if you open A LOT, but still some free money.

Personal DPS-meter would be really nice to have. Despite what all those haters say.

One just have to have some tools for judging his own performance. Currently it is all very subjective and obscure.

Don’t really care about team-wide scores and such. I just want to know which build\weapon deals more damage.

Chaotic Storm.2815:

lets not even joke about this. first off Guildwars clearly states there is no trinity so why would we want a DPS meter? The aim of this MMO is a more balanced role game play. Everyone tanks, everyone heals and everyone does dps.

Everyone does dps – exactly. You can’t be a real tank in this game, you can’t be a real healer. The only thing that you can do really well is dpsing, so why not have a tool to measure it.
Utilities are cool and stuff, but you can use WoR in zerk gear to get the same effect as in soldier’s.

What annoys me is people who don’t want to listen to people who know the strategy (and yeah leaving chanters on 1 side is a strategy). Ever since the new fractal level mechanics, fractals are swarmed with first-timers on lvl 20+ who try to simply zerg everything on their no dmg+no survivability rangers, necros and engis.

Star Ace.5207:

@ Blazing Cadenza and YES Don’t Run CoF with YES guild… they are kitten smokers. To the guys who kicked me at the end of path 2 with last boss about to die.cause i said start maag faster, 1×.. lol

Some random guy was kicked for being a jerk. So what?
It is actually anti-bullying, because you can ignore\kick unpleasant people. This example kinda illustrates my point of view more.

but more entitled players who think of themselves too highly and freely criticize anyone that’s not running the dungeon/instance “as good” as they supposedly are.

Really? I’m constantly running fractals with baddies (silently, mind you) and they have no problem whatsoever in joining groups and even completing fractal runs (even though they can’t be bothered to listen what experienced people say).

If you aren’t a complete dimwit and if you aren’t acting like a jerk, 95% of parties won’t kick you ever. But if you try to be a bully and demand whole party to play the game your way, you will get kicked – and that’s anti-bullying. So again, I still don’t understand all this “harassment” and “bullying” problems. Unless it comes from people who actually try to bully other people and get kicked.

Iruwen.3164:

That’s usually what the popular people say. “There’s no bullying, never happened to me”. Welcome to reality. You never played WoW I assume.

This is not reality. You have full control over how you want to play. No one can force you physically or mentally (unless you let them that is).

This is not WoW with hard dungeon\gear progression, raids, etc. After spending at least some time you can get into any dungeon group and even be carried till the end (our party regularly shows people arah p4 for example).
The only content that is blocked is cof p1 farm-runs, where zerk wars require a gearcheck. But it doesn’t matter to the subject of this thread.

Iruwen.3164:

So bad players will harass bad players for being bad because they’re bad.

I don’t understand this =\
It’s online game. You can choose your party freely, no one can force you to do anything.
Yet I always see these posts about “bullying” and “harassing”. WTH, really.

I would like to have at least personal private DPS-meter. It is really needed for people who want to become better and won’t promote elitist party kicking.

If you have higher DPS you will deal more total damage too. It’s simple math, omg.

It’s not really difficult, more like annoying. Especially after war\guard who can faceroll vets in afk-mode.

Mesmsers are ok against single targets, but when theres a mob of 6+ it gets kinda hard to kill them 1 by 1.

Would be nice to limit the aoe stacking.

Currently there can be a situation where you get 3+ fire rings from molten shamans under yourself and instadie. This is really stupid.

There is the same problem in arah with mages.

Well it does gets easy with high-dps team. Just pull pack together, stability+100b.
Though the end bosses still have some challenge.

And the weapon testing room is always fun.

I’d like to see more dungeons like this, possibly with less attention to trash mobs and more unique boss encounters with dynamic fights.

JonPeters.5630:

I will say that when this does hit it is the highest DPS #1 skill in the game.

Is it really?

What about warrior and necro axe? Guardian staff? Greatsword? It’s not even aoe and not really highest dps =\

Well, at final boss you can actualy jump to avoid damage and knockback. You can mostly melee him that way, running away only from fire wave.

Isslair.4908:

Any info about p4 exploits?

Nope. Still working.

Danny.9812:

So the only thing that is affected by it is map traveling..

They nerfed the mobility of ele in wvw, first of all. But ruined the fun part of -\d ele in open world pve as a side-effect. Yay!

Time will tell what exactly is unblockable

It would be good if the game actually told us that instead of letting us to find it all ourselfves =\

Wethospu.6437:

Apparently “ship” was fixed on Arah P2. Keep the info coming so we get real patch notes!

Nice one.

Any info about p4 exploits?

You should go to engineer subforums. People there will explain to you that engi is fine and has amazing burst damage, OP CC, infinite party heals and super combo fields. Why buff such a powerful class?! -sarcasm off-

Oh that “engi is fine” talk again. How adorable.

Yeah, those defiant stacks are really stupid, especially since almost all CC in GW2 last around 1 second anyways. Not to mention that some bosses\champions are immune to some of CC types anyway.

I could understand the current defiant mechanics if we had some ~10 second stuns or dazes so we could use teamwork to burn down the defiant and then lockdown the boss. But currently it’s all quite stupid.

I’m really interested in which projectiles are unblockable in dungeons.

I wonder what projectiles are unblockable =\

Since almost every projectile protection skill was fixed, it would be cool thing by anet to actually explain which PvE bosses use unblockable skills.

Oh wai.. I also have a guardian, thief, engi and soon will have a mesmer too. And also have a low-level alt for every other class, which I can quickly level up if need be. All this “let’s exclude warriors” is so childish. Meh.

Instead of thinking about the team and taking the best class for the job you keep thinking about yourselves and insist on bringing inferior professions. Have some respect for people you’re doing dungeons with. Or you could farm cs with your dearly rangers and engis.

I’m all up for balance of classes. But atm the right way to do is roll a guardan+warrior+mesmer and be a good teammate till the time changes.

Tiger Ashante.1792:

compared to the stupidity of Simin encounter

And that’s where I start to laugh at all those people who insist on playing tanky rangers and other useless (atm) pve professions\builds while flaming on glass cannon “noob” wars, guards and mesmers.

On topic: yeah, you either need to spend a lot of time with dedicated team to figure out the bosses or just read\watch some guides. Can’t get something for nothing.

To pull mobs, using staff as a secondary weapon with GS in main hand in dps-focused parties. Can’t be bothered to change weapons for specific packs.

Just recently had a guy who left from arah p2 right in front of last boss. And everyone else in the party have story as well. So I don’t see why should we get kicked and lose the whole time we spent in dungeon.

I really hope anet will think something about this system.

Well I’m running with tanky guardian in party almost all the time. He doesn’t call himself anchor, but he does manage to get aggro most of the time and survive it. Yeah it’s about dodging. blocking and abusing AH, but he still manages to hold bosses in one spot so 100b won’t go into thin air.

And armor influences aggro A LOT. To the point where you draw aggro just by getting closer to mob. And I know it from using both knights and zerkers gear.

Geotherma.2395:

I’ve never done a speed run in Aion or FFXI in 4 years of play, nor have I ever had to youtube a guide on a dungeon or instance for any other game in over 10 years of mmo play.

Well I can say something in the same lines:
I don’t have to explain things to new people, nor do I have to do dungeon slower because some doesn’t want to speedrun.

You see it works both ways.

I can understand both sides. Why can’t you?

haviz.1340:

if you burn down captain ashym fast enough he won’t grab fiery greatsword which arguably is the most powerful of his weapons.

It’s the NPCs who do the most damage there. Hence mesmer with TW makes whole fight a lot easier. Warbanner is always a plus – but its warrior’s utility, not dps that matters there.

Rather ironic you need projectile reflections for melee combat.

Why? You can be in melee range while protected by WoR and feedback. Without them you need perfect reflexes to dodge lupi aoe projectiles in melee.

LordByron.8369:

Fotm 38+, Arah
Not only they stack warriors but you start to see every day many ONLY war guard groups…..

I’m constantly doing fractals with necros, eles and thieves.
Also our guild party takes all kind of classes to arah when puging.
I dunno, I must be using some secret version of gw2lfg whithout warriors.

Nikaido.3457:

With strong enough dps you can just ignore things

When I see stuff like this I kinda doubt people really understand the mechanics of encounters and why things happen.
LOS stacking and aoe bursting can be done with any class, as long its zerk gear+dps spec. You still need to pay attention to red circles, one-hit killshots and 20 second knockdowns.
Guardians (aoe stability, tons of projectile reflection\absorption) and mesmers(mass invis, portals, moving mobs around without pulling aggro) oth allow the party to pretty much ignore some encounter mechanis, trivializing the content or just skip a chunk of dungeon. That is how you ignore things, strategy and dodging.

I can see why people willingly bring their warriors to party to speed things up for everyone. You know like some people actually respect other people and try to work for the team, instead of bringing some tanky condition ranger just “because I feel like playing ranger”.
Warriors are the best dps class, no arguing that. But it’s not warriors who break dungeons.

Geotherma.2395:

Youtube guides are good, but why should people have to research the dungeon on youtube and guides just to enjoy them? Why can’t people simply run them and experience them and learn?

Well, you see, there is a very brief time in MMO life when everyone are new to dungeons, don’t know how to do them and start to explore them. After a while the majority of population will know everything about dungeon.
So basically if you don’t learn the dungeon from youtube or guides, you’re forcing your teammates to explain things to you. It’s fine by me. But not everyone have time. Some people jump in-game for 1 hour to do a quick run and don’t want to explain things. Especially without voice communication.
The solution to this would be either to play with 4 friends who are as new to this game just as you are or to find a guild with such people. There’s just no other way around to explore dungeons in any non-new MMO. You really need to look on this from both sides, not just your own.

why should you have to spend your time out of game to find a group

Because you need to work to get what you want?
It doesn’t really takes much time to find group on gw2lfg during prime-time. But yeah you’re risk getting into a party with ragers\elitists\afkers etc etc.
And if you want to get a specific group that you want, well you have to spend time for it. Why not?
I hate the waiting too. I really do. It’s hard sometimes to wait, doing nothing, while we gather people for that arah p4 run. But it’s not something Anet or GW2 can fix. It’s a human issue and you need to respect that.

Other games allow you some leniency in dungeons or instances and the leader usually helps anyone who is new understand what is coming and what to do.

Not really.
Pugs are always all about speedrunning. That’s just a nature of things. You want to spend as little time as possible with unknown people who might ruin your dungeon run at any time.
Guilds are whole other thing. Guild parties mostly explain all the things and it’s even more easier if you have some voice chat options like TS. And it’s even easier to find parties if you join a big guild.

Zenith.7301:

No fight is impossible without a guardian or mesmer.

Never said that.
But they do transfrom hard ranged dodge-everything-or-die-in-one-hit encounters into lol-I’ma-100blading-you-all-day melee ones.

warrior’s vastly superior DPS is not mandatory.

Duh.
That’s what I’m telling.
DPS role can be filled by any class, warriors just do it better.
But since we don’t have a hard DPS-races in GW2 it doesn’t matter all that much. Most pugs will wipe on trash mobs or hard bosses anyway, so trying to increase damage as much as possible have no effect on overall clear time.

You don’t see groups stacking guardians or mesmers the way they stack warriors.

First – no one stack warriors outside of cof. Get out of Fireheart Rise sometimes, willya.
Second – What I do see is groups refusing to start fractal run without a couple of guardians or meleeing lupi without guard+mesmer combo.

Wha..?

Really, too much overstatement in all of this. Never really had problems with getting into a group, especially gw2lfg – what griefing are you talking about?!

As for “cheesing, skipping and bugging”, well you have youtube with guides about every dungeon. Just spend a little time to learn a thing or two. I mean if you don’t respect people who you are doing dungeon with by being ignorant, why should they respect you.

jul.7602:

Warriors are kings of PvE because there isn’t energy or any system of attrition, so it’s based on how fast you can clear a room or kill a boss before they have a chance to unload their own offensive ability and overwhelm you.

That’s kinda like saying that dps-classes are kings of pve in trinity MMOs, and once you have tank and healer dps guys are best in slot. I don’t need to explain how wrong is that, do I?

Taking warriors as dps is just a question of comfort and speed. Taking guardian+mesmer is a question of making almost impossible fight trivial.

Because you need 3 stats (Power+Precision+Crit Damage) to deal direct damage.

And you need only Condition Damage for conditions.

It would be OP if it dealt same damage as zerks.

I dunno what’s so really hard about arah. You skip most of lolo-100-aoe-in-one-spot-one-hit trash mobs anyway. And bosses are doable, lupi being the only hard one.

I find doing golem-spam room in COE or cliffside fractal on 25+ much more annoying with pugs.

There’s just no viable alternative to aoe-bursting things.

We can’t have party-wide perma protection. Not enough healing to counter damage. Long CD and short duration blocking skills.

Anet really focused on nerfing all defensive options, just to nerf bunkers in pvp. But as a result we have a really one-sided pve.

I kinda don’t see anything wrong in doing bosses in “easy-mode” after you did them like dozen of times. All this “difficulty” gets old really fast and dissolves into routine.

Dahkeus.8243:

Warriors are PvE kings because of how imba their dps is.

No. Just no.

The other guy got it right. Currently kings of PvE are guardians and mesmers. Just because so much of dungeon content designed around projectile reflection. Forget about cof snore-mode.

Warriors are just dps-class. You can easily replace warrior with any other profession. You will lose some speed, but will retain all the functionality.

Yup, this inconsistency is pretty frustrating.

Dr Hashbrown.7104:

Wouldn’t you guys think a 3.5k crit hip shot(auto attack) is great?

Not really.
And it’s not an aoe also. So meh.

My first character was engi, I ran what we had back then as a best dps spec for engineers – grenade spam. If you don’t know, grenade kit on engi don’t have autoattack, all skills from that kit also use ground targeting. So any boss fight transformed in to a chore of endless clicking. While the damage was kinda decent – it was nothing stellar. But I also stacked a lot of vuln, so people invited me to parties.

Then I’ve made a warrior. The difference in damage output is huge, warrior wins without any trouble. AND he also has autoattack, and you actually have more time to look at the enemy and dodge instead of frantically using ground targeted skills.

Now I actually feel that it’s my DPS that lowers the health of the boss instead of chipping it off bit by bit.

So yeah, all classes are equal, but some classes are more equal than others.

And you need to understand that a lot of encounters in dungeons are focused on bursting down a group of mobs quickly. Using guardian, mesmer and LOS to stack mobs and then DPSing them down quickly is a key part of quick and easy dungeon run. Insane CC and AOE stacking from mobs, short boon duration and lack of group healing make any prolonged fights risky.

CMF.5461:

If anything toughness would accompany healing power better to reducing incoming damage to assist healing to keep up with the damage being taken. Health is just a buffer to survive being hit in the first place.

I kinda don’t understand the logic behind this one.
If you have a lot of toughness and a small health pool you don’t need healing power. Your base heal will recover most of your health anyway and your fisrt concern should be about minimizing the damage taken.

Vitality on the other hand benefits from healing power greatly. Because the larger your HP pool is, the more healing you need to keep it full.

That’s why there is absolutely no point in stacking vitality on a warrior – he has a very ineffective heal skill that recovers around 8k hp on 3rd stage of adrenaline. With 18k base health it’s not much.

Guardian on the other hand, especially the AH one, can have so much healing that he actually can support even 20k health (if such health even possible to reach on a guard).
And if you run a guardian with base hp pool or maybe something around 16k you dont even need AH and healing power – the signet heals for half of your HP anyway. That’s really nice. So stacking toughness and blocks would make more sence in that case.

Epic.3950:

and realize on higher level fracs and in places like arah i will get one shotted by everyone and their mothers

What?
It’s not really true, at least for warrior. And where you DO get one-shotted it has nothing to do with vit and toughness.

What you need to understand is that having knights gear and lots of toughness tends to attract mob attention a lot. And while it increases your damage resistance, you’ll still die quite quickly unless you dodge and kite and stuff like that.

You can try using knights gear as a starter gear. But use zerk trinkets.

Queensdale is the best location in game. Really nice starting zone and kinda peaceful environment.

Probably just some new bug to kill her without trouble.

Our guild (MGK) have several people doing arah runs on a daily basis. We’re doing them late at night around the daily reset time. Sometimes we lack 1 or 2 people. So if you have full exotics and are willing to learn, feel free to add me. We’re always looking for more people playing late at night and doing dungeon runs (not only arah).
We prefer to skip as much as possible, but are always willing to kill mobs that give gold ^^

EDIT

I created the Arah Lfm guild so that you can find quickly players interested in Arah for EU servers without having your friend list completely overrun (like mine is ^^)

Oh, and can I has an invite? Thank you)

Brutaly.6257:

Its infact the other way around. The smaller the healthpool and the more toughness you have the more effective heals become.

Of course, vitality without toughness is kinda waste. But, unlike warriors, guardians actually have a way to fill up that large health pool. So it is worthwhile to get vit if you want bonus survivability.

The less healing you have, the less health you want, focusing more on toughness and damage mitigation. The more healing you have, the more health pool you can sustain without overhealing.

Well, Vit is pretty nice on a guardian, since we can potentially have so many heals.