Guild Wars 2

I have no idea why you think he’s acting like he just attacked thieves. He was clarifying points and you freak out lol

Which is why CnD doesn’t need to have the same range as hunter’s shot! So we have come full circle.

Yeah, I don’t get how anybody could believe that the Guardian is the most restricted as far as viable weapons go. Almost every other profession is stuck with one or two weapons they can optimally use and hte Guardian’s got a plethora.

I prefer Sword/Focus with a swap to GS, but I know some people like to use Staff to stack might before jumping in with Sword.

Zelyhn.8069:

Yes all formulas used in the calculator have been tested and approved.

(apart from the behaviour of vulnerability stacks, the common belief is that it is additive)

“Approved” by whom?

Vayne.8563:

No one says they’re low quality games.

I do. I say Bethesda games aren’t terribly high quality. They just have pretty graphics… or sometimes not even that. I firmly believe they have been losing quality as time goes on to the point where you basically can’t even lose Skyrim.

ShroomOneUp.6913:

please follow the link since msot of you have missed the point of the thread due to my flavor text. here its bare bones what you where suppposed to discuss -.-
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/dungeons/How-to-make-doungen-with-low-lvls-attractiv

You kinda insulted “elitists” who don’t want to run with lower-levels in your opening post, which is -kinda- tacit permission to have people defend their point of view. If it wasn’t relevant to your opening post, you shouldn’t have posted it.

I somehow highly doubt that, Charak.

because traits tend to do things like condition cleanse the party, increase DPS of weapons, spread might, et cetera. Various things that “knowing the tactics” can’t reasonably cover.

I could study The Art of War all my life, if I want, doesn’t mean I’ll suddenly know how to fire a rifle.

I have, on very rare occasions, seen people try to tell me that I have to pay them or they’ll leave. To which I respond with a well-thought out “lol” and replace them within five seconds.

ITT: Players ask to be spoonfed.

Because there is no party to chat with.

/thread

If 80% of people want to go do something else, what’re you gonna do? Force them to do the things you want?

People that complain about cookie cutter builds or stuff are about as silly as a general complaining about everyone reading The Art of War.

“Don’t listen to anybody’s experience and wisdom regarding the matter! Who cares if it works?! Experiment on your own and reject any data that supports what they’re preaching! PVT go!”

Mesket.5728:

Simple, because almost every zerk out there is not up to that gear. The vast majority keeps dying and dying. It’s pretty easy, just analyze your /death and /age and your death/hour ratio will tell you if you should or should not use berzeker gear. You don’t need to tell me or anyone else the result. Just don’t lie to yourself. Zerk is not for everyone. kitten , melee zerk is not even for half the players. So many people thinking they are good because they use zerk and they are pretty bad actually. Even worse because they choose the wrong gear set for them and the problem worsen as people who posts different builds gets flamed.

And that is why we hate Zerks and people who preaches it.

Ps. People who only plays in closed guild groups should stay away from this topics. You don’t play with “people” you just party with the same 4 guys every night.

i hav 1000 deaths per hour help

It’s less them and more the people that bandy them around everywhere as if they were some prophet of game design.

I agree with them on some videos, but some of their videos I do not and it frustrates me when I see people that cling to everything they say as if it were gold. So then I just start hating them.

Stop liking the things I don’t like.

I cannot contain my scathing contempt for Extra Credit.

Neural.1824:

SundayTrash.9562:

we need to punish Anet by boycotting gemstore.

If you did that and it started to show signs of picking up steam, you’d find yourself unable to ever log in again.

Or Anet, noticing that their current tactic was floundering, might be inspired to find a new one.

In either case, don’t most people have ridiculous amount of gold to give to the gemstore anyways?

I usually type out “Haaaaaalp!”

Downed really isn’t so bad for me, because you can usually make it out of it as a guardian. It’s when either no one makes even a passing attempt to rez me or when the enemy whittles you down to zero seconds after you drop that I get really frustrated.

Broadicea.8294:

Player Character.9467:

Broadicea.8294:

did some goober put out a mace/shield guardian build that got popular or something, because the number of them I’ve seen in pugs runs is rising rapidly. and they get so upset when I tell them it’s a garbage weapon set

mace/shield/staff? that’s all i see the last week

Yeah, yeah exactly! They’re all over the kitten place, can barely pick up a pug guardian without seeing one now. I’m getting really close to only allowing pug warriors when I post LFG.

PUG with me. I’m terrible.

ShroomOneUp.6913:

Nike Porphyrogenita.8137:

I can’t imagine why no one wanted you in their party. Underleveled and undergeared with a drug reference name. That wouldn’t set off any red flags for me.

haha the old gaga super mario eats mushroom because they are drugs ahahahahaha

Diviner.7405:

Syn Sity.5826:

Hahaha, I got like 5 sentences in and cracked up, this forum is gold.

Pretty sure the OP been eating to many shrooms.

yet again wonderful exsample of not contributing anything. and yet again MARIO EATS MUSHROOMS HAHA FUNNY BECAUSE MUSHROOM CAN BE DRUGS TOO HAHAHA

Mario is still not underleveled, undergeared, and holding me back.

Yeah, blind is really only useful against mobs. It does next to nothing on bosses. There’s really not a whole lot of useful conditions to lay on bosses except maybe chill, since it makes their cooldowns longer. I’m not even sure that applies to bosses, does it?

Anyways, yeah, like I said. Just kinda mob on him and beat him down and he really can’t reasonably be a threat.

Stealth isn’t made worthless by having counters. The problem a lot of people have is they seem to believe stealth is balanced among other strategies and thus doesn’t deserve a counter because “Mechanic X” doesn’t have one.

Do you mean the one in CM? I don’t recall anybody HBing in AC Story, but there is a door guard in CM that does HB and seems to occasionally flatten pugs.

In which case my suggestion is to take skills that allow you to block and/or learn when to dodge. His HB won’t lock you in place so you can easily dodge once you see him start the animation for it and either you or one of your team mates ought to have some form of condition cleanse to deal with the bleed stacks. If your entire team sits on him and melees him to death, he really shouldn’t live long enough to be a concern. The biggest hurdle to Zerk Meleeing is convincing the rest of your team that it’s the optimal strategy.

Oddly, and perhaps embarassingly, I have a harder time Zerkering in CoF than I do in just about every other dungeon and it’s solely because of the flamethrower guys. I can do other dungeons no problem, but everytime I run into those flamethrower guys, I feel like an idiot.

Are we all supposed to tug in the same direction or in opposite directions? One would make the circle more of a wheel, the other would just be some weird game of tug o’ war.

I play on a laptop with terribad resolution and I tend to grenade really well. If they’re obscuring your view, just aim at where they seem to be swinging. It’s blindingly easy to toss ’nades.

AntiGw.9367:

Pointy.9308:

The trinity is a remnant of old times, as the technology and creativity goes forward the mechanics should change.

Technically, the trinity is a mainstreamed version of the classic pen and paper rpg system. Which is also more realistic, as a fighter or a mage wouldn’t have time to study both their main profession and healing. You don’t see many soldiers who are also doctors after all.

The trinity has to go for technical reasons, it’s not there because anyone lacks creativity or anything. It simply doesn’t work very well outside of its native format.

Well, it’s a mainstreamed version of DnD. Not many other pen and paper RPG’s have the same, or even a similar setup unless they are specifically DnD clones.

Also, I’d argue that a mage has absolutely no reason why they couldn’t learn healing. It’s magic. The only reason that exists in DnD is that healing is a traditionally divine art and mages use arcane magic, which isn’t well suited to that kind of thing.

… This is semantics, of course.

I remember when I thought mace/shield was doing any good in dungeons.

I also remember being frustrated at how long it took me to kill things.

I rarely see hammer guardians in the open world. It’s always staff or greatsword.

Quam.7218:

Topic about a Necro searching help with his dodges in CoE Aplha fight and my best candidate:

“Only took me six hours to beat!”

Chopps.5047:

The Mexican Cookie.3690:

Chopps.5047:

Logically that means you reflected. Again, reflection OP, guardian OP, mesmer OP. Am I right? Nothing trivializes content like a good reflect! “Oh I’m so good, guardian and mesmer is so hard to play, gee, this is just so hard! I place this wall here and verything is taken care of for me”

“Guardian is well balanced”

Ya right, you all say that because you all roll guardian. I should roll guardian and just have my cat run on the keyboard on win for me. “First cat dungeon completion brought to you by Chopps”

Why do you choose to get so upset over a not-serious post? Childhood trauma related to Guardians?

They stole my pet cat and I’ve held a grudge ever since. I was only 8 years old when it happened. I love you Mr. Meowgi T_T

I’ve always been partial to Chairman Meow.

liefbread.9513:

Burnfall.9573:

liefbread.9513:

Burnfall.9573:

If Arena.net was to sum all the posts in one gigantic post, it would read, “Thief class core mechanics Nerf is Overdue!” – “slap on the wrist Nerf” is not allowed.

Arena.net, isn’t it too obvious.. the only class who gets the most Injustice Backlash in all thiefis blance/stealth thread is the thief class?

Than if it isn’t obvious, than why you remain Silent and continue in Justifying and Contributing (behind the sceen) more overpower tools to this Injust Overpower class?

Not forgetting intentionally rewarding this class with more undeserving rewards.
Torment, "does that ring a bell’?

After 1 year+, i realize all these great posts and threads concerning thief overpowerdness are just another trash to be thrown in the trashcan.

So many wonderful and beautiful ideas in oppinions, suggestion and recommendations to thief class balance and adjustments, are just reasons for Arena.net to reward them more.

As i stated many times already, “Thief is Arena.net” and Warrior is thier “side-kick”.

In other word, we are all “kitten”

So to the remaining non-Favorite justice blelieves, what are our options,

Should we continue in believing anything these Ego-savy Selfish Prideful Injustice Practicioners have to say? or "turn the other cheek or even; as the saying goes, “Turn away from those who practice Injustice and follow those who Emcbraces Justice”?

You have the power.
You hold the answer.
The choice is in ur hands..

That was really wordy and I don’t know exactly what you’re saying.

But if you follow the general trend of “stealth classes” in any game… like… any game ever… You’ll see that we’re always the “OMG UBER OP CLASS” (no matter the situation) there are always people calling for nerfs and there will always be a core group of people from that class fighting against it.

Are you talking about the class of thief as in “they are thieves therefore evil?” like, not even on a “this class is full of evil players who abuse the system” basis, but on a “this class is supposed to represent some malicious entity in the storyline of the game” kind of level?

Do you see these “buffs” as rewards? Do you really see thieves making use of torment… ever? I don’t.

I dunno, maybe I’m missing something here, but it seems to me you talked circles around yourself trying to make your statements sound important… when in reality they just came out garbled. It would be amazing if you could clarify your intent a bit.

No matter how many times i rewrite it,

it all comes about the same,

In othe word,

this is the best i can do.

For great justice.

ftfy

Charak.9761:

Counter Play, every game developer needs to watch this video.
http://youtu.be/BRBcjsOt0_g

No, a hundred times no. People need to stop taking Extra Credit as some kind of game development gospel.

IndigoSundown.5419:

Vayne.8563:

TwoBit.5903:

Vayne.8563:

I run a lot more dungeons now than before.

Vocal minority.

Evidence? I don’t run them ALONE. lol

You run them with your guild, I presume. So, has interest in dungeons within your guild increased since the revamp? If it has, it the same people running more dungeons, or more people running dungeons?

Everyone I know has been running dungeons more often. Including the guild I recently left and the new guild I joined.

ShroomOneUp.6913:

Also this game is based on team work. What team is that if you exclude everyone who has a,lower level then you? specialy in areas where they allready met all requirments nessecary?

What team player are you that you demand to lower the overall efficiency of a team that doesn’t want you in the first place because you feel an undeserved sense of entitlement to be on their team?

Whining about people’s tastes and desires are not going to change those tastes and desires. The onus on you to be worth taking, not them to have the privilege of bringing you along.

swiftpaw.6397:

Kirschwasser.3972:

Chopps is a strange one. Oftentimes I read his posts and I’m like “Oh cool, that’s interesting” or whatever.

And then he says things that just make me want to vomit hatred.

Sometimes I feel the onset of a brain hemorrhage.

He’s really been more on the vomit hatred end of things lately.

I could jive with the mines, but I probably wouldn’t go with all traps.

Also, thieves should drop out of stealth when they try to backstab an aegis/block. C’mon now.

Terrahero.9358:

Maybe that list would be considerably shorter if the duplicated were removed. for example they added a projectile finisher to the Harpoongun abilities, two patches in a row.

And tooltip fixes, those make up a lot aswell.

Dont forget about the stuff that was fixed, but reeeaaallly shouldve been fixed before the game even went live.

Did you cross out all the nerfs already? I hope you did, those would make up the majority of the bulletpoints.

And lets not forget all the redundant changes like “we added a range indicator to Box o Nails”. And, well.. never actually worked. Or other such pointless nonsense that just fills up bulletpoints for the sake of making it look like stuff was done. Like informing us that the change to Rampaging Brute also made it over to Elixir X.

Or the stuff they fixed two or even three times because they kept breaking it over and over.

I think you’ll end up with a considerably shorter list.

Every classes list would be considerably shorter given those qualifications. Quit playing a violin for your class and just take comfort that you’re not the ranger or Necro (in PvE, anyways)

Xovian.8572:

Turtle Dragon.9241:

Follow the trend. Want more?

Sure, you didnt name one core ability, or at least abilities that are not shared by ALL.
Apples and oranges.

To be fair, Necros don’t get stability.

lolololololol

Guanglai Kangyi.4318:

If you want to PvP just play Blazblue.

I do! I used to go to local tournaments that my local gaming store held. They had like these awesome one dollar tournaments and the winner got the pot. I’d then turn around and buy some food from the kitchen they had because I was poor and only five people entered the “tournament” anyways…. and it was technically in-store credit, lol.

… Shut up, I rocked!

Ruggan.4102:

4) Anti-Stealth Traps… yea, these are expensive but what other specific piece of WvW gear is specifically made to target a single class? NONE!

Near as I can tell, these are more useful for doing things like stopping stealthed zergs or catching the stealthed mesmer before he drops his portal down. I don’t think most people use them because they’re worried about the stray thief.

Chopps.5047:

Lol what makes you think I think that? Heh satire

Pic relevant.

(Also contains foul language.)

Chopps.5047:

I dunno why you guys are wondering why his health is low. Clearly he had tooth at one point. It looks like tooth switched to and nailed the warrior who is apparently on the Rhs of the map. And who started the “special snowflake” phrase? That meme spread like wildfire. Everyone is calling each other that these days.

Edit: its just a matter of teamwork, but, ya, sword in melee is better, but if someone isn’t comfortable jumping/using stairs, would you rather have them possibly die? At least hes staying alive, doing dps, and taking tooth aggro. Thats more than I can say of a lot of people in that path in PUGs lol.

Sometimes range works. TA is one place, this instance is another. Unless you’re rT and just going to ele FGS it down in 2 s, of course, melee away.

“Special snowflake” has been around for at least the past half-decade. I’ve been using it throughout my tabletop roleplaying career.

SynfulChaot.3169:

Siphaed.9235:

It’s not a “euphemism for nerf” because the word nerf itself has been twisted from it’s original meaning.

Do you know what nerf meant as terms of changes in RPG rule sets of old? It was a term used to emphasis a change to an ability so severe that it’s effectiveness was like that of throwing a nerf dart at the enemy.

That may have been the genesis of the term, yes, but that isn’t the usage of the term now. The current usage is when anything is weakened purposefully, it is nerfed. Just as buffing is strengthening it.

If you want a good Guild Wars term for nerfing into oblivion … try Smiter’s Booning or Booning.

Curse you, Isaiah! Curse your black heart!

In my experience, Yak’s Bend tends to be pretty relaxed. There’s a few crappy guilds here and there, but it’s otherwise an okay place.

Y’all must be new to Myst threads. She spends a lot of time insulting people that have contrary views while also espousing ridiculous ideas.

I like that the women sound masculine. Though there are definitely cases where it’s overdone. There’s a particular Norn voice actress that just like… sounds like a woman trying really hard to sound like a man. Like when Mulan was pretending to be Ping.

Chopps is a strange one. Oftentimes I read his posts and I’m like “Oh cool, that’s interesting” or whatever.

And then he says things that just make me want to vomit hatred.

Oh well, I tend to leave spvp as its own separate discussion. All sorts of stuff works out over there.

The Mexican Cookie.3690:

Mesket.5728:

The Mexican Cookie.3690:

Mesket.5728:

lol, people still try to reason with the “OMGIMAZERKICANHAZTHEBIGNUMBERSANDBEPROCAUSEMALIFESUX” people?

Post your idea and move along, you can’t argue with someone who is clearly berserk not only in gear but in their mind.

Insulting people isn’t a very good kind of an argument. I’d like to think that most of the ‘berserk’ players here presented reasonable responses. Your response is actually probably the most unreasonable post in the thread.

I didn’t place the hat on anybody head and we know who the usual zerks are answering the exactly same thing on every single post.

People come here saying: The world is currently A. It would be nice if it could be A+B. Zerks say: No its A and you are bad cause you don’t like A.

My post is simple. Don’t mind those usual mentally zerked users and just toss your opinion.

just in case, I don’t consider you cookie as one since we already had a talk on a different post and you seem to have an open mind, something most zerkers don’t have.

Ps. Warm the popcorn, zerkfans are about to wear the hat.

I think the main problem I have with A+B idea, is that there hasn’t really been an idea (that I’ve seen) that really increased the viability of defensive stats, without having a major impact on the current ‘meta’ of things. One thing I would definitely like to see be viable though, is condition damage. Even if it just resulted in one party slot being dedicated to a condition damage class, that would be pretty cool. A boss encounter that has an aura which permanently applies Weakness could achieve that, for example.

Support roles could probably be achieved (to a greater extent) if ANet took (what I’m led to believe) WoW did before Cataclysm. Seperate the buff supply throughout all the different classes. If you want protection, you have to take a guardian. If you want Fury, you have to take a Warrior. And so on. This kind of goes against ANet’s design ideas, though… probably.

I personally believe that, by necessity, we would have to shake up the current meta of things to cause any meaningful change that would give any salience to defensive stats.