Guild Wars 2

Acro is really going down the drain. It’s more and more apparent now, almost undeniable. It’s like a big smelly garbage truck by your window.

Surprisingly enough the Daredevil isn’t completely dead and out of place. GG to the dev for frustrating us to death, but most definitely for doing work and delivering.

Dodges
Dash became my favorite, it feels great and I like the way it is now.
Bound, dodging gets a little tricky because Bound takes an aggressive approach. You need to dodge foward most of the time, just a matter of control.
Impailing Lotus…. It’s aight.

Staff

This weapon left me perplexed. I want to main it because it has potential, but it’s missing something. The support is offers isn’t as nice as they claim it to be.

- Weakening Charge is wonderful. the targeting added is exactly what one needed.
- Debilitating arc :/ I don’t see the use really. I already got enough Endurance to save my life, unless it’s there for spam purposes like SB #3. I suggest we change it. Can we make it a forward dodge?
- Dust Strike casting speed is perfect. BWE2 was a real nightmare. I suggest we add a smoke field to it. It could have much better support in Team fights wether pve or pvp.
a Very small and reasonable smoke field.
-Vault is fine.

Utilities

- Impairing Daggers to have an increase in project speed. a small one.
- Bandit’s Defense… CD to 12 secs.
- Impacting Strike is pretty hard to land. It says “Strike your enemy and stun them.” Can we have it as a stun?

Traits
- Driven Fortitude needs some help a decent sustain. With
- Acrobatics unfortunately needs to go. Completely revamp. I mixed DD with all the traits and even thought Acro grants nice regen, it’s never worth it. Two words: Opportunity Cost.
-Pulmonary Disruptions need some help too. Slight damage buff.

Conclusion

Good Improvement my faith in the Dardevil may be restored. The damage is almost there, but the real problem is the sustain and I think Driven Fortitude is the key there as a minor, it should really fulfill its role with a decent heals.

Again the problem isn’t really with the Daredevil but the cohesion and synergy with other cores and utilities. Shadowstep, Roll For Initiative should see their CDs reduced, there should be a rework on Signets. SoA is coming back on top this expansion.

So thank you Mr. McLain.

Competition

I had no problem killing a tempest. They are easier to kill than typical D/Ds.
Berserkers were easier than Warriors.
Scrappers were borderline impossible. This is where Driven Fortitude may come in handy.
Reapers were not as hard as Scrappers…. but they up there.
and other Daredevil were a pain. Good.

Warkind.6745:

I just want Power of Inertia back.

Yup. I miss this a lot more than Feline grace.

There are Rune that grant might on dodge if you are interested…

kash.9213:

Maybe it’s just my pace but I never felt the Feline Grace difference, I still get out of Acro what I always have really in practical use but one constant is feeling the strain of reaching the burst threshold. It’s pushing it already with DA/Acro/Trickery and Acro is conflicting as it is where it asks you to use half of your actions to dodge and evade but most effects kick in after the fact of getting hit so you’re spending a good deal of the time eluding hits and cleaning up wounds. I tried the build last time but felt that instead of Acrobatics compounding DDevil they mostly just leveled out to one trait line that mostly made openings for Trickery.

Trickery is a must for everything now. There is not question about it.
30 seconds Steal in this time and age, with those kinds of opponents is plain old suicidal.

That’s just the title.

I am just saying the combination of all three lines makes endurance regen feel like getting back our old Feline Grace.

Have you tried mixing Acrobactics + Daredevil + Trickery?

You got 150 endurance, Vigor, plus endurance on Steal?

If managed well there is new endless amount of endurance.

Add in runes, or food that grant vigor (no names in mind), but this has some potential.

/test
/discuss

I think we already knew that. I don’t like it, I just fought a Herald in WvW. I didn’t find the Stolen skill useful.

could anyone explain how benefitial this could get? Because I don’t see it.

So far I am having fun … wow guys I am having fun. On a Thief.

Also stop talking about animations. please.

blarghhrrkblah.3412:

Shadowstep.6049:

other classes devs went for powercreep, our dev went for balance in vacuum + 0 communication between them….. go figure

You know…another way of looking at this is that our dev is the only one that did his job properly if that is indeed the case.

That perspective also works, but it doesn’t change the fact that either way it leaves us in a kittenstorm.

Rage Sigil does wonders with P/P

Or maybe he is wiping something off his eye. Tempest was cutting onions.

With our rebellious Daredevil about to dodge that Flash hehe.

So what is the decision on Vault?

Does it evade now with 5 initiave?

Coming back from Purgatory: I got suspended for few days for talking about my Thief. So be careful, if you about to rage/ tell the truth. You might see half your threads get deleted then silenced.

Back on topic.
I didn’t see a single build with Staff as either main or utility weapon this whole week, it kind of worries me.

Did we give up on potential of the staff? S/D might definitely be meta for sure with Shadow Refuge more than likely to out of the picture turning into PvE exclusive.

I just want a completely new gameplay: kill some time before other weapons are fixed.

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vZAQNAoYWn0MBVOhlOBGmCkmiFYCzLMEHaDzfwSYKULBEAyAA

If only Staff damage could be put between dagger and sword. It would make it reasonably viable.

First of all, this is not how you do a graph and it’s been bothering me lol. But then it’s a video games so…

OP only took account of the burst damage it seems and I think he is right. When it comes to bursting P/P can outclass most weapons, but when bursting isn’t taken into account SB does take the crown.

half the new F2P players in my guild who reached max lvl, are switching away from Thief. As in, they bought the expansion, ready to roll, all upgraded, and just switched.
It’s just sad and it leak in the faucet won’t stop. ever.

even then, we’ ll keep here little drops at night.

I am speechless about these scenes. I am really shocked by this.

the conventional and expected build for this release. This might even be meta unfortunately.

I would take impacting strike still.

Let’s be frank here. People who think pistol is all about damage inherently lost the argument. The same goes to those people think pistol has been fixed and we are complaining. It’s usually the same people.

So good that’s good news….

I am just sitting there with 25 stacks of real life confusion, facepalming myself into oblivion as to wtf really happened.

What excuse will Thief Team give us this time? A straightfoward answer would be a miracle.

Karl has to confront us against this BWE3…

Do they honestly believe the profession will survive? that it’s fine as it is?

Get ready to BOUND/ DASH you way out of the missiles of excuses coming up this weekend. Just saying

It doesn’t matter.. Whoever picked Ankle Shot before wasn’t smart from the beginning.

Who in their right mind you would pick:

- a little 10% damage increase plus a 60 % chance ON CRIT ( they gave us a stupid cheap Sigil as a trait) to cripple a target for 3 kitten seconds… OH wait it’s on a 8 second ICD.

Before= garbage
and thanks to OP it’s safe to conclude that Now = still garbage

This is just pure garbage, and the Ankle Shot shouldn’t even be in our vocabulary anymore.

Stop using Pistol guys. The only they crippled with this Trait is the Critical Strikes Line itself.

This image proves that Pistol damage didn’t need any buff and that there was in fact a lot more important things to take care of. Biggest damage from Pistol I see here was Vital Shot for 173…

OP didn’t get killed by Pistol damage, he got killed by Perplexity runes, Poison damage, Torment damage, a lack of cleansing, and the effect of surprise.

In other words, heavy condition damage, that nowadays is completely unrestricted.

Case closed.

Kolly.9872:

I would like to get a refund but I’ve already spent my 4000 gems and don’t know if they can still refund me.

I am in that boat too. so angry.

fix it Karl Mclain. Seriously. Fix.the.kitten .profession.

Actually as I think about it, it sounds like a good idea. If it blocks projectiles and prevents ground Target (you shouldn’t be able to aoe a place you cannot see, just like some siege weapons), then it could potential be a great substitute for Shadow Refuge.

Ground Targeted, completely agree with you. Great improvement.

I still think it’s easier to around a cylinder than a rectangle. I mean, the opponent can go through it and that’s it. If anything

Nvm, I was blinded : SAME RADIUS AS SR??? that’s huge mate.

Don’t delete your Thief. Have some respect for the thousands hours of effort you investment into that character.

Do not delete your Thief to make a point. Get this out of your mind.

What about US servers. We need a US server session.

Cylinders are much easier to counter than rectangles.

Could you explain why?

There were some weird name for skills and I wonder what how the whiteboard looks for us. There is also the term “Bounce” on the Sword #2 skill.
Reminds me of Bound.

A dev posted pictures of whiteboard filled with ideas, and there are two pictures concerning the Thief.

Enjoy.

http://imgur.com/Aqh9SvF

http://imgur.com/htH1QkG

Note: These are old pictures. You may find clues and stuff, but these are old pictures. Ex: Engineer Drones idea were scrapped when somebody mentioned the Flamethrower, so they kept it for the Elite spec.

Zero Day.2594:

Kocoff.7582:

go to youtube and check out these guys.

- Yishis ( old, but still skillfull)
- Coloxus
- Afrogaming
- Hollts
- Arkadius Kole
- El Cabi.
- Rein Forever

Since you are new I suggest you use Berserker to your jewelry set, but Full Valkyrie to your armor.

GLHF and welcome.

Do any of them still upload content?

yes sir they do. They are off and on … Just the number of quality pvp and WvW videos soon after the patch quickly dropped. But yeah they are off and on some of them even tested the DD.

i have been reading all over the place. I am just going to keep my rage until Tuesday.

go to youtube and check out these guys.

- Yishis ( old, but still skillfull)
- Coloxus
- Afrogaming
- Hollts
- Arkadius Kole
- El Cabi.
- Rein Forever

Since you are new I suggest you use Berserker to your jewelry set, but Full Valkyrie to your armor.

GLHF and welcome.

Just drop it guys.

Where are the moderators when you need them? Close this thread cause it leads nowhere.

let’s get working & complaining like we usually do.

I don’t know if you tried it before, but Bound and Black Smoke was so not smooth it was frustrating.
I will try it again, since they said they fixed it.

I think S/D is already back guys. It’s really fun and can be challenging.

I do wish Sword #2 was instant and #3 would be consolidated into 1 skill.

Other than that, I think S/D is fine.

We can’t say the same for traits tho.. and it’s all about Acro. We will have to wait until Tuesday and see.

LOL.

OP should have kept his /age time to himself. You lost all credibility and it’s irrecuperable.

Donald Trump, Is that you?

GM and Moderators need to come and lock this thread.

Shalien.9018:

Cynz.9437:

You know your main sucks when you log on other classes that you don’t even have 1% of experience you have on thief and it is just so much more rewarding and easier…

while I’m reading the skills as I fight to see what they do.

That made me lol.

OP, I ever seen you post something on the Thief’s Forum, but here you are telling people what should or should not be the norm. Now that is audacity. I am curious what your main prof is, because it’s certaintly not Thief.

Any Thief who frequently checks the our forum knows whatever you just said is no news. There are countless of threads worthy of attention, literally chapters of amazing feedback with mechanics, suggestion that could turn the profession upside down.

We even have one Necromancer, altruist enough, helping us get some kitten done.

Yet you come here, with whatever profession you main, to give us more rubbish.What are you bringing to the table with this thread? uh? Not any better than the Funeral.

Man the changes on Tuesday is either going to turn into a big celebration or a huge online riot.

I would so glad to know they have been reading all our suggestion. So glad.

Oh hi. You must be new here. I will allow myself – The Great Honor- to speak the mind of most Thieves reading what you just said.

“You want buffs? Tell the devs what kind of buffs you want.”

woot this one gets the medal.Never tried that one whatsoever.

“Why don’t you be constructive and make suggestions then? "

This one gets a real trophy. Constructive? Is that a trait?

“you seem to be acting as if this was a hopeless situation wherein you would never receive buffs ever again.”

Hopelessness is the everyday state. We were shaped and born in it. Some of us with 1000+ hours eat hopelessness for breakfast and the output is feedback.

Thank you for visiting the forums. We hope you open your eyes.
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I thought the funeral was a great idea.

To you, I say, well done sir. I hope there will be more vids of S/P gameplay with a Daredevil build.

Yeah the goal was to lighten up the mood. Every Thief knows the accuracy on the content is questionable, but I was still pumped at the fact that they dedicated a vid to us. Despite the low blows we have been getting.

GG to them.

Let us be real here. Berserker is not now, it just lost its monopoly to give way to all the other stats, and I am really happy this happened.

I am not much of a PvEers, but I hated those elitist kitten who would kick other people just because they weren’t in Zerg or didn’t use the “right” utility skill for the job. These people bring the worst out of forming groups and LFG systems in MMOs.

People are here to have fun and Anet did well with the current Stats system. It is about time people start looking in unused stats like idk Shaman, Apothecary, Giver, etc to bring the best of player’s individuality and playstyle.

Keep your head up.

Thief is the best thing that happened to this game. The Thief is most original rogue-class character out of all the MMOs I have played., and GW2 has most the “realistic” gameplay, so it makes the profession even more challenging.

Fast paced, relatively easy to learn and certainly not easy to master.
The array of combos and rotations available to the Thief is really great and access to stealth allows for major mind games with your opponents.

Playing as a Thief in WvW really bring the cunning and determined character out of you. You start thinking in ways you never thought about before and I think it’s a funny bonus experience that other classes don’t get to have.

Let’s be frank, I don’t really care how the other professions can do X, Y or Z better than us.
They can’t be Thieves. period.

I think the idea is great, but not necessary. There is a good number of us ready for BWE3.

We will definitely try all the possible Daredevil builds during the beta to save our skin, and in doing so, saving every other weary Thief out there.

Now of course, if anyone has a very very very special build they want one of us to try, I am sure we can test it out for you.

+1 to you OP for leading the way, we never know someone might have that “innovative” build that will save the profession… I know I hyped it. lol jk.

I would probably slot it. Replace it with Shadow Refuge.