Guild Wars 2

Ezrael.6859:

Caedmon.6798:

That dh gameplay looks so braindead..The guy just stands there,no dodge not even once..Its stupid how people can win by this kind of gameplay,Just pop ze traps and stand still…Oh man.

Guardians are a heavy armour class with the least mobility in the game.

They have few teleports, no evasion utility or weapon skills and little to no access to Vigor.

They are built around area control and holding ground through all of their weapons, traits and utilities. That is the class concept.

What exactly do you expect in a fight with them you complete oaf?

Guardians are designed to be immobile and control an area, they are not a light footed evasion class like a Thief.

You want brainless? How about a 1200 range teleport that automatically puts you behind your target in stealth to perform what would be a skill based attack in any other RPG.

Yeah Ezrael, I don’t know what profession you play, but I guarantee you Thief isn’t as easy as make it describe it. Can’t backstab Steal you way to victory I can tell you that. Guardians have 45 sec CD teleport, so that’s relative mobile.
If anything Necro are the least mobile of them all.

Hello it’s me again. School is over so I got to do my finish touches for my latest video.
I hope you like it, and most importantly, I hope you see some improvement.

My outnumbered fights were WAYY TOO dirty, so I need more practice so I can show them off. Anyways, I took some advice from all of you. Sometimes I applied them, Sometimes I absolutely panicked and messed up. Enjoy!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74LRDg87B4E

Caedmon.6798:

That dh gameplay looks so braindead..The guy just stands there,no dodge not even once..Its stupid how people can win by this kind of gameplay,Just pop ze traps and stand still…Oh man.

That’s true. What’s even more frustrating if losing to braindead, inactive build. Gotta keep improving!

I am not sure why use S/P if you are using unhindered combatant, wouldn’t Bounding Dodger be better, for the Cloak?
I also suggest you use Flanking Strike in the Tr tree, your sword will hurt enormously.
I think there needs to be more cohesion and synergy in this build.

BlaqueFyre.5678:

Kocoff.7582:

Welcome to the Thief Community. I am glad you chose us Thieves instead of those butterfly people.

If you want pure scouting, I suggest S/D. (#3) is amazing for evades, you get unhindered combatant, it has a sexy style to it and even more dodge and movement speed. Idk how new you are, but when you are in trouble you can pop Shadow Refuge. (hide in one corner for extra safety).

S/D #5 is Cloak and Dagger (CD) it will help you clear camps, and hide when enemies approach, it might be the most important ability you’ll use, so master it well.

With obviously the standard issue Shortbow. Self- explanatory.
Now I know S/D is less safer than D/P, but you’ ll have a more fun with S/D, and evading endless attacks and making it out alive is great feeling.

I hope you enjoy it.

quick tips: Don’t hesitate using the healing skill, before the Signet, it help replenish your endurance, so you get more dodge, more speed,etc.

Have fun.
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vZAQNAsYVn8lClOhFOBePBkmiFqiqLBCgGwLE+gSYO77+yH

S/D is nice for scouting but on demand stealth is a must. And with the tried Ninja Nerf to IS jump casting it became even worse limiting The mobility. Don’t get me wrong I run S/D in WvW but it is by no means better than D/P when scouting and being able to remain undetected.

Also the build you linked is missing the WvW selection for weapons/armor stats and food and so on which are the staples to Thief builds in WvW.

I never said it was better. I think it fits the “Scout” gameplay OP mentioned, with some added risk/fun.

Welcome to the Thief Community. I am glad you chose us Thieves instead of those butterfly people.

If you want pure scouting, I suggest S/D. (#3) is amazing for evades, you get unhindered combatant, it has a sexy style to it and even more dodge and movement speed. Idk how new you are, but when you are in trouble you can pop Shadow Refuge. (hide in one corner for extra safety).

S/D #5 is Cloak and Dagger (CD) it will help you clear camps, and hide when enemies approach, it might be the most important ability you’ll use, so master it well.

With obviously the standard issue Shortbow. Self- explanatory.
Now I know S/D is less safer than D/P, but you’ ll have a more fun with S/D, and evading endless attacks and making it out alive is great feeling.

I hope you enjoy it.

quick tips: Don’t hesitate using the healing skill, before the Signet, it help replenish your endurance, so you get more dodge, more speed,etc.

Have fun.
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vZAQNAsYVn8lClOhFOBePBkmiFqiqLBCgGwLE+gSYO77+yH

1. DeceiverX, that’s a lot to take in! I ll keep those tips in mind, and in practice for later.
The Infiltrator’s Arrow trick … I have got to try this one. Thanks for the help!

2.NuhDah, I think I was heated and too excited to use SB. But then again that was your entire point. Gotta remain calm and collected. Thank you.

this said said this is not a car racing games hahaha. That was good.
You gotta train man, keep playing. You’ll start seeing patterns everywhere, and dodge will be second nature.

Actually, it’s medium armor, heavy damage when well calculated, almost no casting time.
As a matter of fact idk what attack we have that has casting time.. D/P #5 ?

bluri.2653:

Never start with steal because of their passive trap, always basi up and get a hit on him to trigger it – theres plenty of ways to do this. Stealth up and hit him once with basi, headshot him twice (once to get rid of aegis, second to hit him and procc the trap) or basi up and headshot.

Always walk into the trap to trigger it cus he gets stab from it – then you can steal safely onto him. Then it’s up to you to pressure him, keep blind up a lot here and try to bait out his F1 (the pull)

Basic tips

I just noticed to Fragments of Faith Trap passive. Thanks a lot Sind, I appreciate.
And also hopefully interrupt that F2 too.

So I had the most frustrating fight with a Dragonhunter about an hour ago. Thankfully, I recorded my fight.

Can you the pros out here point out what I did wrong, and how they deal with them as D/P?

I messed up a lot of obvious things, like making sure Aegis wasn’t up. I want to know more hints and tricks as to when to attack.

I appreciate the comments.

I really loved how she used the NPC guard as human shield. bruh

PS: I managed to get her later by basically dazing her to death, but that’s for another video.

the pistol variants troubles me enourmously also. I just pray for my Improvisation to refresh my Shadowstep everytime I fight them.

You just need to be patient. D/D #3 doens’t need any nerf, it just got a small buff anyways.
It’s the same rule for defeating every and any thief and even more so for D/D condi Thief, because they heavily rely on dodges.

Make them waste their dodges, don’t rush and interrupt them in the begging, since they tend to spam, then it shoudl be GG.

^^^ this guy. 0.3 secs?

I don’t think it’s truly a matter of damage with D/P, but with the utility that it brings.
I wish D/P wasn’t that convient, so that we would have more valuable options, but this amazing interrupt, it’s hard to compete with this weapon set. Even with Staff.

I have to admit you made some valid point, especially the fact that you have greater chance of survival with Staff in outnumbered situation, but as a Thief that is not enough.~

So I will have to side with Sinderner’s Syndrome. He is a great player.

If you are using that many Signets, might as well use Signets of Power on CS tree.

It can be dull and boring, that’s true. At the same time, it’s a build that’s tailored for fighting at least 3 people.

I do not think it’s as challenging as fighting +3 with D/P.

Staff, D/P is heavily relies on people’s mistakes, more so than other weapon sets. When you fight a people for about a minute (which is pretty long imo) or so , you can notice your opponents get confused between the normal bound and a Vault:

One hits you for 2k which you can afford, whereas the other one is just plain deadly.

In all honesty, I think winning anything +4 is a matter of luck (big mistakes from your targets, and nice Improvisation procs), unless of course, you are just stealthing for days and come back.

I would rather be an ordinary D/P thief who shines, than a constant perma-frustration dodge staff daredevil. I always enjoy fighting them. I guess it depends what you are looking for.

I think he makes a valid point.
The problem is, Anet presented elite specializations as extensions/options to our professions. In reality however, elite specs are pure and simple improvements, and it will be clearer as more specializations are put in the game. This will make the base profession more and more obsolete, but that was the intention of the design team.
But OP you need to understand how much work this will require from the developpers. You are asking for the Thief and Daredevil to be inspected independently of each others, whereas in fact, they are same profession, if they listen to you, than they will have apply this rule to every other professions.

I do agree with you though, I do not think it will be feasible.

It’s the same concept with Ranger Longbow 2, Rapid Fire. The skill will be cast in its entirety, unless interrupted, but stealth doesn’t stop anything.

Revenant Sword 3, Unrelenting Assault, is more of a appropriate design, where the player can’t keep attacking something it does not see.
So hopefully that staff tracking, among other skill get corrected.

I wish distracting dagger would have another effect other than interupt, I want it to taunt and slow. Make it literally distracting.

Well done for sure. Good job.

This one is truly insane. Definitely taking notes from you.

I will definitely do my best and make it a lot more technical this time.

I appreciate the comment, I will keep taking notes.

I guess I will work on the music! Thanks!

Hello everyone, I uploaded a new vid. I hope you enjoy it. Mostly 1v1s. I haven’t gotten clean outnumbered footage yet.

Please let me know where I can improve and other criticisms, I feel like I dodge too much ha..

With the amount of reveals coming on to us, i am just wondering what kind of surprise and change they will bring to the Thief. They must be preparing some sort of mechanic to alleviate this.

The argument of “nobody uses On My Mark anyways” just does not hold. The point is that it’s there, and it’s real.

There it is:

“Thief
Changes for the thief profession are not overly extensive, but they are direct. The team is still observing the changes from previous balance updates, and we’re looking to fine-tune the profession so that it maintains a unique role in the game without breaking its core philosophies.
Potent Poison: Fixed a bug that prevented the condition’s duration increase from displaying in the Attributes section.
Pulmonary Impact: Fixed a bug that prevented this skill from doing damage while a thief was in the air.
Bound: The damage of this ability can now be triggered in midair or underwater.
Vital Shot: Increased damage by 15%.
Dancing Dagger: Increased damage by 20%.
Skelk Venom: The recharge time of this ability has been reduced from 40 seconds to 30 seconds. Its duration has been reduced from 30 seconds to 24 seconds.
Skale Venom: The recharge time of this ability has been reduced from 40 seconds to 30 seconds. Its duration has been reduced from 30 seconds to 24 seconds.
Spider Venom: The recharge time of this ability has been reduced from 40 seconds to 30 seconds. Its duration has been reduced from 30 seconds to 24 seconds.
Ice Drake Venom: The recharge time of this ability has been reduced from 40 seconds to 36 seconds. Its duration has been reduced from 30 seconds to 24 seconds.”

Thoughts? I am trying to understand the change in Bound.

Terissimo, I get stuck more often than not, against druids roots when I use your build. Withdraw isn’t as practical imo. What do you think?

Also, I feel like blinding powder seems a little more practical than bandit’s defense. I am saying because that along with Shadowstep and Improvisation, it can work miracles.

Personally, I always thought Scorpion Wire should have been an F3, with a rather long CD.

Thieves should always be equipped with a grappling device.

I love it. Especially switching places with a downed player. It could be a game changer.

I have played Thief since the begining, off on and on because life happens. I believe it’s a fatal mistake to compare your gameplay experience between professions. I believe the Thief is probably the most unforgivable in pvp or WvW.

WvW especially, you need to think like a crook, a completely pain in the kitten .

. Do not ever tackle a warrior in berserker mode, switch to your bow and kite, same for Reapers as they are immune to fear.

. Dragonhunters are in my opinions, by far the most dangerous. That Virtue spear they use is especially insanely deadly.

. Rangers are easiest…

You gotta think like a dirty kitten : low on health, retreat and stalk the target. Harass and until they kitten up, abuse their weakness.

Now, If you fighting multiple targets make a small priority list:

I always try to kill Thieves first as they can read your moves the fastest.
After that go for those targets who are easiest or those who can’t run away when they fell or downed:

Thieves
Rangers
Necro
Mesmer
Engineer
Elementalist
Guardian
Warrior

Lastly, whichever pick a set up of weapons, and a build. Stick with it for at least a month straight.

it’s pretty fun right now man. Not enough variety, but so far it’s pretty fun.

I want the source… even if it’s a rumor. I want the link.

Hello guys, here is my very first video. I hope you enjoy it.

Don’t hesitate to bring up criticism, in gameplay or in the editing.

enjoy!

My double clicking would never work, and sometimes i would have to smash my a key on my keyboard in order to have it registered by the game…

Try restarting Shadowplay or turn it off completely. I just did it, and my clicks, key pressing and other commands are running fine.

GLHF

My mouse is barely working too.. I tried restarting it and everything. I guess I do have to get a new mouse.

I was thinking maybe pulling Maurader instead of the classical berserk.

What do you think?
Here is mine:
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vJAQNAR3OWuCMkAQCoAokDad1g3Pbpd1C-TlROABIs/gMKBbW9nRU+FluBA0QEAABgbezbezbezSBE4WL-w

This is Holts’ defensive build from one of his youtube videos:
http://en.gw2skills.net/editor/?vJEQNAseRjMdQVI2FCmhAnIWuCs3Pbpd1iEASAFAlcQrrFA-TFCEwAMV+B4QBA5MAEb/hIPAAWq/sVJYK9BBAQA4mH9mH9m3sUABu1C-w

His build has more attack power, and crit damage, but I would get more hp and more crit chance.

Hey guys, I am relatively new to warriors. Is 4 stats gear better always than 3 stats gear all around?

I want to gear my warrior for WvW and power. Most videos I see still rocks the previous 3 stats, so I was just curious.

Unfortunately, massive PoV is not really entertaining for Thieves. It is not as action packed as say Warrior or Guardians. The Thief is part the “clean up crew” in those kind of battles.

Good video and good job.

Last summer it was all about D/P, before I left it was all still all about D/P…
I do wish they added some flavour into the profession. I might try out Staff or S/D.
Is valkyrie amor and berserk Weapons and trinkets still viable? for WvW?

Thanks for the feedback. I see a bunch of changes on the trait lines. I hope my gear isn’t completely obsolete, I was running valkyrie last time. As long as it is still playable, I guess I will give it a try.

Hello everyone,

I took a long break, haven’t played since October. (school took over) So here I am collecting news.
I read a fews titles in the first with pages of the forum, not too satisfactory. I still love the Thief a lot, so I hope you guys will warm my heart with good news. I don’t see anymore Thief videos anymore like before so that’s also kind of a bad sign.

Here are few questions concerning my interest, which are mainly about killing people.

- How is WvW?
- How is the PvP?
- Is the Thief more fluid than October?
- Do we have to roll Daredevil because of increased competition?
- How about its survivability and how dangerous are anti-steal counters?
Also please rate the Thief out of 10.

Thank you guys.

I will probably reinstall the game this week.

I tried that… With Hidden thief. Too weak, too much sustain. With the staff equipped, i had a few good opportunities in landing Knockdowns, but with the damage so low, SA felt like a waste.

^

1. Me and another person has been crying about EA being a minor for ages. I hope that with this Second try at the beta people start to understand how EA is an absolute must.

2. Driven Fort needs more sustain and Enforcer Training. It’s one of the others because they come in pair in terms of synergy. Healing and dodging should be on point. It gets more complex because it punishes us even more for badly managing our endurance.

I wouldn’t say it " high risk, low reward", but I think it’s unreasonable.

3. Your point on Enforcer Training is really valid. We need to prevent abuse.

I say The Dev sets a specific endurance for the Thief who traited Daredevil, and that tt bypasses those who specced Acro. It’s just that Right now, we need that maintenance. Acro is not even worth it right now.

Can we dig him back up OP? I think he is still breathing down there loool.

I think we are almost there, damage is reasonable. The main issue here is the sustain. Like always

Driven Fortitude

Some say DF and EA should be merged in order to give birth an another minor. To you guys, i say I don’t mind…

I would rather see Driven Fortitude be given some heal increase, or some Regeneration coming with it. It stays a minor, it should be a powerful one. The current minor is too weak even.

Enforcer Training

I believe it should grant some baseline Endurance regeneration. 3 Dodge is great, but it’s pretty useless it doesn’t scale properly or allow us actually get 3 dodge. Right now it feels like 2.5 dodges and I am being kind here. It does say " Enforecer *Training*" so if the Daredevil trained for a 3rd bar, then he should be trained enough to maintain that regen.
just saying.

Should Driven Fortitude & Escapist’s Absolution be merged

I would like to see Staff Master as a Minor. Other specs got weapon trait as a minor, I would like to see that with the Daredevil.

Escapist Absolution

Is in completely monopoly in the Master Traits, no point taking anything else.

Altie.4571:

MEGA HUGE BIG ISSUE:
class icon being a boot is really bugging me. It just doesn’t fit the theme (I know Hermes and whatnot, but he was not known for the thievery, but as a messenger boy). I really hope you don’t change it, and if you do, it’s something more sinister than a boot.

Hermes is also the god of the Thieves. He was actually known for sometimes tricking others gods for the sake of humanity.

this will require them to rework on new GM traits. which may take another decade.

Tabootrinket.2631:

On a personal and vague note, I think that the staff kind of lacks gap closing features to stay in the face of the ennemies.

^^^^ exactly.
Make Debilitating Arc, a forward dodge.