Guild Wars 2

We kind of have perma Switness too on Dash. 8 seconds of Switness on Dash pretty much leads to perma Switness. I get your point and all, but Thief mobility is not something to be worried about. That’s the one thing they cannot nerf.

Not jixing anything Devs.. not jixing anything.

Shalien.9018:

Drunge.4035:

Thief is dead. Simple.
Thief dev team is lazy. Nothing is done right, new spec is not even a new job they took old animation all together and say “hey now you are bruiser with 11k HP, please dodge”.
+ This last patch note preview. What a joke, all they said was bullkitten improvement that noone cares about. Dev don’t even know what is wrong with pistol so they came like “Hey, buff damage, hihi enjoy”. They don’t even bring D/D to the table, hell they won’t improve it.

I think Daredevil spec is simply a vizualisation of the attention thief gets right now. All classes buf thief got shiny new mechanics with really good work on it, new animations, new pets, new effects, new mechanics, new everything. Thief got old junk animations, stupid synergy, no really new mechanics, no new effects, nothing. That’s what you can expect in the future.

In a sentence: Reroll or leave the game. What’s the point of playing thief anymore?

Don’t reroll, then the terrorists win. We need to unite and show ANet that they have to change how Thief is being handled.

^^ So much truth. Don’t let those tyrants win. I main a Thief, last time I rerolled, I made another Thief.

Tabootrinket.2631:

Kocoff.7582:

You guys think there will be a lot for us on Tuesday, or do you think this is it?

I think

hahahahaahhaaa
The sense of humor in this forum is OP.

If Escapist’s Absolution cannot be a minor or a baseline than Driven Fortitude needs a increase heal OR the current heal plus 3-5 second regen

Unless of course, we didn’t understand anything at all. and they expect every Thief to go full apothecary or Cleric.

HaxTester.9816:

Maybe increase the trait space, for example make minor traits selectable, so other traits can make a comeback, while others that have been baselined will now become optional (to reduce imbalance).

oh wow…. just wow.
somebody hire him already.

You guys think there will be a lot for us on Tuesday, or do you think this is it?

You think our wallet has value?

Thief Wallet: Argentine Peso. ARS ($)

Other profession’s wallet currency: British Pound . GBP (£)

Now you understand.

^^ Absolutely right.

The only thing that was strong after June patch was Elementalist, Mesmer and Guardian cause these got nerfed one way to another. The others got the buff and support they " deserve."

I am excited and just completely hopeless at the same time.

Jana.6831:

Kocoff.7582:

If on Tuesday the patch is a complete fail in our eyes, I suggest we organize the Spiritual Funeral of the Thief on Thursday a day before the patch.

Everybody gets naked with their favorite weapon set and like the started hood, and with broken dreams of course.
I suggest we walk from Lion’s Arch to some random cemetery while, cluster bombing everything in our path.

In the meantime we can finally meet, and just QQ some more.

I am not even joking gentlemen. this is for real.

for realz.

How should I clusterbomb with D/D?
And I think a lot of the thieves already left.
I’m pro this though, I know it doesn’t sound like it – but honestly; I don’t care anymore – The only things I will miss is my old thief and my bat kitten crazy server.

well you got 2 sets of weapons man….. PLUS SB is everyone’s favorite weapon! :p

If on Tuesday the patch is a complete fail in our eyes, I suggest we organize the Spiritual Funeral of the Thief on Thursday a day before the patch.

Everybody gets naked with their favorite weapon set and like the started hood, and with broken dreams of course.
I suggest we walk from Lion’s Arch to some random cemetery while, cluster bombing everything in our path.

In the meantime we can finally meet, and just QQ some more.

I am not even joking gentlemen. this is for real.

for realz.

Might as well call it “Thiefception” or “Thief University.”

babazhook.6805:

Kocoff.7582:

Irenio himself said there are things you cannot even dodge… Aren’t you aware of that dev?

The WHOLE ELITE SPEC IS BASED ON DODGING. Idk what could save you at that point. BWE3 is next week, everyone will see how badly designed the Daredevil (and Thief in general) is.

The WHOLE ELITE SPEC IS BASED ON DODGING.. it’s like check mate from the beginning.

Things does not mean everything. Further to that we have not seen what meant by this in game terms. As example the damage inflicted by one of these attacks could be structured so as rather than deliver all damage in one blow that takes part of a second which one can dodge , it might apply over a longer period of time meaning one might be able to chain dodges so as to avoid it.

There has to be range limitations as well so as example I COULD forsee seeing the windup for this attack and turning and running with multiple dashes in a row so as to get out of range.

I think on this we will have to wait on see.

We can wait and see… of course. However when a dev mentions it enough time to the host that there re thing you cannot block or dodge, it means the odd are stacked against us form the beginning. That’s just undeniable.

Irenio himself said there are things you cannot even dodge… Aren’t you aware of that dev?

The WHOLE ELITE SPEC IS BASED ON DODGING. Idk what could save you at that point. BWE3 is next week, everyone will see how badly designed the Daredevil (and Thief in general) is.

The WHOLE ELITE SPEC IS BASED ON DODGING.. it’s like check mate from the beginning.

TL;DR

What balance OP and all the others suggested, I approve the message.

When & where, what do we wear? we should just come naked, with our favorite weapons equipped.

ps: Wildstar looks terrible guys. GW2 is the best there is. Don’t kid yourselves.

Sagat.3285:

I can’t wait till Tuesday I might bring doom now nothing was said about CiS going back to master. Don’t mess this up “he who knows his name”.

I know I was waiting for this too I can tell that even though he was rushed, he purposefully skipped a few.. For instance, Ele was first, but the left the huge ele ice bow nerf last for effects.

-50% and can only hit 3 targets.

Zero Day.2594:

Kocoff.7582:

…
Thief

-pistol damage buff 20%
- Potent poison 10 -> 33%
- Vigorous recovery 5 to 7
- epeditious dodger +

There wasn’t enough to cover everything.

Well… If that was their main thing….

Yeah the guy was rushed, when he started skipping things at the rangers and just mentioned a few things for us.

man I am scared… this can’t be all. I know it’s a buff, but those are minor MINOR improvement.

Irenio just talked about it a little bit:

Patch Notes is NEXT TUESDAY

general
- all traps 5 min something.
- Rune of Vamp doesn’t work with mist form
- Reveal was bugged apparently where it used to reduce stealth duration… Now it just takes out all stealth immediately. (FML)
- Nerf Cripple

Nerfed in general

ele (D/D NERF with icebow just errthang – Mesmer (PU NERF Literally “for the good of the game”)

buffed in general
Engineer – Guardian- Necro (like a serious buff) – Ranger (huge)

Thief

-pistol damage buff 20%
- Potent poison 10 -> 33%
- Vigorous recovery 5 to 7
- epeditious dodger +

There wasn’t enough to cover everything.

I was talking to a guild mate, I made the claim that the way Druid looks for WvW , it may very well make roaming almost obsolete.

I am already seeing groups of 3 running around with Druid included. Lots of small mini squads and a major drop in solo roams.

Taking down a Druid would be a great challenge, and Astral Form is killer.

What do you think?

I just see people thinking “Everytime i roam there is a Druid who is shutting everything down. I might as well team up with one and wreck everything.”

the types of squads i ll start seeing:

- Bunch of Thieves. (Classic, best type of pugs)
- Bunch of Non-Thieves + Druid.

- a Mix + Druid.

wait guys Patch Balance preview is in a few hours!

Highlie.7641:

But Pvp seasons are probably going to be a year long

Na the guys just said it won’t last a year. :p lol don’t give me mini-heart attacks man. I am young. It will last a couple month.

I hope it lasts like 3-4 months. like in Diablo III.

SHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH. * /cast Shadow Refuge on Khandarus *

THERE IS HOPE!

Irenio said it when Ruby asked about weak Rangers.
Another Dev just right now said there will be one. They said there will be one before every big PvP Season.

Balance Patch – Two weeks- New PvP Season.
So this means, Balance patches may come a lot more frequently than 6 months guys.

We may fix a lot of things this time guys.

THERE IS HOPE.

Killyox.3950:

Class mechanic wise thiefs are second last:P only engineers are behind.

How the hell are engineers behind? We are last. period.

Mr. Karl Mclain, I just don’t see how I can survive HoT in WvW or PvP. I just don’t.

Now that every profession has been revealed, it is undeniable that the Daredevil will get smashed. no doubt.

Everybody WILL & MUST roll Daredevil because you will be so dead if you don’t.

Daredevil survival rate: 40%
Thief Surivival rate: 5%

Vincent, Irenio either really hates thieves, or he is a really good character designer. Actually it’s both.

Needless to say, he is the one who designed the Scrapper.

DRUIDIC CLARITY: REMOVES CONDITIONS FROM YOU

CONDITIONS REMOVED: THIRTEEN………………

THIRTEEN. anyone elese wanna scream? or am I late? THIRTEEN.13

^^ lol I ain’t about that reroll life.

I am watching Astral Form now. hahaha guys, oh man there is going to be some INTERESTING fights coming up.

“HoT is vicious, more brutal, you are in a lot more dangerous just in the open world than you were in the older version of Tyria.”

It’s gonna twice as brutal for us.

It’s supposed to be a Heavy Healing and support, but when I saw that Auto Attack ,I almost choked. They are without stats.

Staff skills in general: meh.
Knockback and daze on call, 10% damage increased, and Glyph of Unity is pretty crazy.

The dev Irenio did an amazing job there.

The Druid will not be threatening 1 on 1, but in a group fight, they will be by far the most dangerous profession. I hope Rangers aren’t disappointed by this class, this has to much versatility.

Remember when I did a Kill priority list? Druid takes 1st place immediately.

After HoT releases, there will be Druids in the top pvp professional teams for sure.
Opinions? How are we going to cope with this?

Hey OP. You can’t have everything. Especially running berserker and expect not to get one shoted. Be reasonable.

For fractals, I run S/D- SB with critical stikes instead of DA for constant Fury. I got signet of assasination smoke screen and signet of precision to support the condi cleanse.

S/D helps me dodge and SoP helps me retake my endurance for my dodge. I mean it’s fractals OP it’s not an easy walk in the park even with 1-9. Get used to dodging and i promise you’ ll enjoy the gameplay even more.

Your real HP is your endurance. Never forget that.

I am might main D/D – Staff. I saw a WvW video of it where the player was really smooth, and there is a good amount of synergy between the two.

S/D – Staff doe I tried that in the beta and the cohesion between the two were not as nice. Actually, there wasn’t any cohesion.

What Azmodey said makes sense, he didn not explain it properly.

If your reveal is usually from 4 to 6 seconds, then Stealth should be buffed from 5 to 10 seconds. If the mechanism you propose is a simple subtraction of stealth time – reveal time, then stealthed needs to be reasonable buffed for this to work.

Most of our stealth is 4 seconds when traited, if we get hit by a 6 seconds reveal, then end up with -2 secs of Reveals, making things unbalanced again.

the math needs to be redone and made reasonable, because then we will end up with 3 secs of stealth – 4 seconds of reveals, and it won’t achieve the intended goal.

SO what he meant was, Either really increase the duration of stealth ( I say at least 5 seconds) OR completely limit all Reveals by 2 seconds maximum.

I hope it’s clear now.

i love it. a simple subtraction. everybody wins, thieves still lose but it’s still a great idea.

blarghhrrkblah 2016

Edit: There was another idea I liked a lot on reveal, it is to simply be able to see where the Thief is. the OP called it Insight, instead of Reveal. Where you would simply see a watery form of that stealthed character running around. It’s dangerous, but it doesn’t break things completely.

^^^

I think every traits favors a specific playstyle or weaponset. That’s the main purpose of a trait, it makes us choose. In our situation however, you make a point that condition management is real problem but EA isn’t really the solution if you want something for all playstyle.

I think 3 conditions every 7 seconds is a lot more OP than the current EA, and what you proposed still favors swords.

I think every time a trait mentions “on evade”, you know it favors Sword.
A piece of advice: if you want something to favor most playstyles, avoid the “on evade” mechanic.

It’s difficult to find a condi cleanse mechanic that fits every playstyle… the only one that i have in mind is the aggressive one:

Optimistic killer : “remove a condition when landing 5-10 hits” or
Poisoned Gift : " transfert 2 conditions upon successful stealing."

Lol OP seriously? The discrimination is palpable guys. Devs do something! We are getting oppressed here, and our rights are not respected.

I swear (cough) this one time, we were chased down by a group in WvW and I offered my team some cover with Shadow Refuge, they stepped outside said:

" How dare you, you filthy bandit. We already have a mesmer willing to give us Mass Invisibility. If you want to talk to us, you write to us by mail, you Thief. "

and the enemy zerg caught up to us, but they just wanted to kill me. so I died. (Cough)

Witness the courage and humility of this young Thief. Such cunning.

• getting emotional *

May your magic find be forever efficient, and may Mesmer tears be forever accessible with your skills.

Selver.1307:

Much hope. Such optimism. You sure you’ve been here long? I’m running on fumes, but they get me high enough for my next package separation specialty.

Yes sir about 2 years. but hey that’s why I am here, need to cheer up the population.

Sir Vincent III.1286:

Not even close.

The real conspiracy is that Thieves will cease to exist post-HoT. There will be an Inquisition, either they join other professions or they get crucified as heretic.

There is no happy ending.

hahaha Inquisition.

Sagat.3285:

They better nail it, due to “he who knows his name” lack of comments on base thief he probably does/should especially the vicious attack against OH dagger. If missed it’s 6 more months or 3 more years to go. I would like to think you are right but the devs are so unpredictable and have different point of views it seem like fantasy.

Yeah that’s true. If it’s once every six months, we, I mean, THEY better not mess this up.

Selver.1307:

Kocoff.7582:

Orpheal.8263:

Specializations will follow later placeholder

This guy’s suggestion has been sponsored and funded by Michael Bay.

The name of elite spec is actually " Solid Snake."

dat backward Cluster Bomb on dodge doe.
and dat Smoke trail on dodge doe…

edit: By Michael Bay and Tony Jaa

Needs more cardboard box and cigarettes to live up to Snake.

Alright then, Ryu Hayabusa ?

Explosive daggers, some of them are really close to Ninpos.

Orpheal.8263:

Specializations will follow later placeholder

This guy’s suggestion has been sponsored and funded by Michael Bay.

The name of elite spec is actually " Solid Snake."

dat backward Cluster Bomb on dodge doe.
and dat Smoke trail on dodge doe…

edit: By Michael Bay and Tony Jaa

OH MAN. KARL McLAIN is on a killing spree. from edge to Edge uh? More challenging mini-tricks we need to master.

Dash was my least favorite, but I can tell with that extra distance and immo break, Dash has some real competition.

He mentioned Lotus training to not be a jump anymore… what does it look like now? A regular dodge with daggers all over the place?

Again, ty Devsan

Idk really know where to put this…. It’s addressed to the frustrated Thief community.

They have this on lock guys. HoT release is in about a month. If you paid attention to their marketing strategy, they have been targeting new players like crazy. So we don’t really matter as much right now, but listen closely.

This is what will happen:

Us veteran players will enjoy the game, but still be bitter about the BWEs and feedback experience. WE, will keep complaining. That’s what we do guys! * High fives everyone *

New players will be like “Hot kitten ” but a few months later, some of them will also start catching up with us. The groaning and moaning will grow relentlessly with us, but also with other professions

Then Redemption Patch will come: includes a lot of fixes for everybody, a joint effort by the United Armed Dev Forces.

- Us veterans players will be like “FINALLY, I had to sacrifice my wife and kids for this.”

- New players will be like “wow Anet is so responsive. Such an amazing company and feedback. only 3 months into the game and they came with all of this?!. Here let me have 7000 gems… for me and guild. wow such efficiency, much professional.”

Then we live somewhat happily ever after.

The end.

Nocta.5274:

Don’t forget that elite spec aren’t supposed ( practice will differ of course ) to be “improved” professions. It’s horizontal progression. So different stolen item should also be horizontal differentiation if they were to exist.

I disagreed with the idea at first because OP is only proposing clearly improved version of the current stolen items.
If it was well balanced, I’m all for it personally. I sadly don’t think Arenanet will take the time to create those. We still don’t even have a revenant steal. :/

It’s true I did push the “cool” buttons when I was having my epiphany, I had to get you guys excited! Well it seems are on the same page, because I believe it will take too much time and effort to concretize this.

On S/D, evade those key conditions are keys. I am not saying it’s easy, I am saying sometimes it almost random because the animation isn’t as clear as I would want it to be.

If they are on Staff, you break the mark but dodge over it, but you knew that. Don’t ever use your Shortbow too long with those guys, it is really tempting using it avoid the marks.

I leave the fear for when they use deathsroud #5 or #2. I also use Shadow Refuge, to vanish make them disengage and waste their shroud.

They are really painful man, but no as a painful as a condi PU mesmer, because they lack serious mobility.

What I am about to say isn’t a complete drastic change. We don’t want come up with another entire elite spec lol.

offense

- Baseline crit rate needs to increase. To easily achieve the 60% mark. We are wasting all our gear and food to reach an OK level of precision.
- Preparedness as baseline
- More application of Torment in traits or weapon skills.

Sustain / Survival

I would leave health as it is. It’s low, I know, but low health keeps things interesting. It keeps people focused, preventing them from making mistakes, raising the skill bar to a high level.

- Regen effects on the Thief needs an increase.
- Apply Resistance to some of our traits and weapon skills.
- Apply protection " ."
- Weakness also takes condition damage into account. (Note: Vulnerability increases damage from condition since that terrible June Patch.. Do it for Weakness)
- More blinding applications, yes, not enough blinds.

I think those changes would bring nice changes to the survivability of the Thief without touching baseline vitality.

I think power is fine, we are still top 3-5 damage dealers. The problem is keeping up with the pressure, and this is greatly correlated caused by survivability.

It is true that Steal has improved greatly but it is hard to deny that there is no room for improvement.

The phylosophy Nocta put up seems reasonable but flawed, because in that case
The reverse psychology of " Let me steal this basic item from an improved profession" doesn’t fit either.

Elite Specialization are like new professions. Not only this is what Anet announced when it comes to class development, but they are even talking about Elite Spec logos (Scrapper already has one.)So in that sense, we need to stolen items from “new professions.”

Another important point. You shouldn’t consider the Stolen Items to be better. They are only proportionate to the context. A Thief should steal what is useful from him, if something is more “useful” or “advanced”, than he should take advantage of it.

- Plasma could never replace Stolen Alacrity
- Throw Gunk couldn’t replace a Stolen Gyro
(I would pick Gyro over Throw Gunk, but wouldn’t pick Alacrity over Plasma. Win or lose)

Calling it better completely depends on the context. Of course this is simply an idea and a rough draft and numbers have to come into play to make the effects reasonable.

I just think it brings in diversity and even more randomness into the gameplay.

Kageseigi.2150:

*+Thief’s Retribution+
Every attack opens a wound causing Bleeding for 3 seconds.
Whenever the target is Bleeding, with the next attack, the Thief applies a generous dose of salt (made from its own tears)

HAHAHAHAA

Execution skills don’t fit Gw2 too much. We already have Impacting Strike so that’s a first, but to say a utility skill that has the ability to defeat the player less than 20% is inherently broken.

Of course I like the idea, if you would have to be very specific, like the target HP needs to be lower than 20% and the skill only works from stealth and from the back. Missing the skill dazes you or something.

Well I just thought having more Stolen Items would make the game more fun and more complex.
Don’t you think it’s lazy to steal a basic item from the Elite version of that profession?

Basic profession → Basic theft
elite profession → Elite theft