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The way the book words it makes it sound like he was bleeding on his path down south. To me at least.

The Branded are constantly moving south (and, iirc, east though less so), so it stands to reason that Kralkatorrik didn’t move back up and they’re heading to Kralkatorrik.

LeDuc.1436:

the characters of Tyria do use magic though; and have used it for centuries with it building up still. a we use it, more replaces it, it seems.

The races utilize it, but nothing says that their utilization of it brings forth an entropy effect – that the races casting spells reduces the world’s magic is unstated and speculative.

That was what I meant.

Bellyboomer.3048:

Isn’t it a poor idea to show the outcome of your storyline in the trailer? It’s like showing an exploded deathstar on the cover of star wars to me.

ArenaNet told us that we’d be facing Zhaitan as the main antagonist far over a year before the game’s release.

With the Living Story releases, they’ve been releasing guides on the day of release – sometimes house before the release itself.

ArenaNet’s not very keen on the “no spoilers” – heck, even in Prophecies they kind of revealed Khilbron was the lich by giving us the history of Orr and Khilbron’s actions the day of the Cataclysm in the manual.

’Sides, without context, that could have just been a dead dragon champion – or an Elder Dragon killed during the previous rise.

Gmr Leon.1846:

Yeah, more or less that. I would expect it on a limited scale like that, but it sounds like it may happen on a broader scope as another character doing whatever it was you might have done. Talk about diminishing things.

Also, exactly along the lines I was thinking Zeromius. Albeit without Shodd. Because as far as I can tell, Shodd doesn’t exist for all characters (though from what Konig’s saying it sounds like he may? which is blargh). If anything, I’d pin it as maybe an alternate Kudu that’s efforts weren’t foiled.

So you’d rather have a lack of canon events – since the events that occur can only happen if you did them – over a set basis of canon with flexibility for whether it included the awesome PC or not?

Sorry, but that wouldn’t really work out in the long run.

You’re twisting the meaning of what I said.

She started collecting Kralk’s blood after being freed and he went to sleep. She knew of the Elder Dragons but nothing says she knew where they fell into hibernation except most likely Kralkatorrik.

And hiding the Scepter of Orr in a ruined nation full of undead when it was last seen in Kryta/Shiverpeaks/Ring of Fire (depending on who’d record seeing it)? Yes, sounds like a decent hiding spot if she didn’t know Zhaitan was there. And as said, nothing says she did and in fact some things support her not knowing Zhaitan’s place of sleep.

And no, Sea of Sorrows doesn’t hint at when or where Livia got the scepter. She never even names it iirc.

Mad Queen Malafide.7512:

My point being, that if she could foresee the Flameseeker Prophecies, she should at least have seen something of the magnitude as the Elder Dragons coming. She is a dragon herself, so certainly she should know something about the history of dragons. Even if she is not related to the Elder Dragons, if anyone would know about the Elder Dragons, it would be her.

The Flameseeker Prophecies are far from accurate, and even what she claims she knew wasn’t accurate either – the titan threat being far worse than she predicted, for example.

Given this, she may not know where Zhaitan specifically would have risen – if she foresaw that, given how nothing indicates she foresaw other major events.

Mad Queen Malafide.7512:

True. But not during the time of Prophecies.

It’s outright stated she’s been doing that since Kralkatorrik went to hibernation. So yes, during the time of Prophecies as well. Or rather, it was there already.

Mad Queen Malafide.7512:

She would be a pretty rubbish Dragon Prophet if she didn’t know about the Elder Dragons. You know… being a dragon herself AND a prophet on top of that.

I don’t see what being a dragon has to do with knowing about where an Elder Dragon went to sleep while you were hiding (and protecting) races.

I mean, think about it. The Six Gods built a nation on top of Zhaitan. The Forgotten were allied with the Six Gods… do you really think the Forgotten would keep quiet if they knew Zhaitan was there? Heck, that may be why the gods left – when they finally for once tapped into Zhaitan’s power, the Forgotten realized it was an Elder Dragon and told the gods about it.

Mad Queen Malafide.7512:

No, Glint is clearly hiding. Keeping such an object of great power in her own lair, would undoubtedly draw unwanted attention to her hiding place. The smartest place to hide it, would be somewhere where no one could get to it, far away from her.

To counter your argument: she was collecting Kralkatorrik’s blood and a spear made from one of his spines. The blood, at least, being magically potent. She was already bringing unwanted attention to her hiding place.

Er… I’m sorry but it is said that the Grand High Soverieng made the Steam Creatures:

Mysterious Stranger: Wait until you get to know my creations. In my reality, they conquered Tyria.

If they’re his creations, he invented them. >.>

Of course, that doesn’t prevent someone else from inventing the “same thing” in an alternative reality.

I somehow doubt that they had this storyline in mind when they wrote the Infinity Ball story – in fact, I’m pretty sure that Anet outright stated that they plotted this overarching LS story at the end of last year (so during October/November/December) – the Infinity Ball storyline would be probably about a year older in development.

In the end, the mention of Divinity’s Reach in the Infinity Ball storyline was likely just a decision of mentioning a recognizable large non-asura population. Of course that doesn’t prevent Anet from remembering that line and continuing off of it, but I wouldn’t put any real stock into the original line’s purpose – just like the mention of Joko in Prophecies by Turai, we’ve been told that was all there was to it – a random line that would later be built upon.

For the record: don’t take WP as word-for-truth, since he often makes mistakes in all of his videos I’ve seen. Haven’t seen any recent ones but I doubt he’s improved much from what I hear from others.

Depends on if magic would still increase without them, and if the dragons don’t release as much as they absorb.

I’d imagine that if magic continues to increase, we’ll be finding more and more elementals and attracting more demons from the Mists – until “natural” magical disasters on par to Thaumanova start up, and ever getting worse until the world is pretty much in a post-cataclysmic uninhabitable state. But that’s just my guess on what’d happen if magic were to increase far too much (and unstably).

If magic doesn’t increase without the ED’s hibernation presence, then there’d just no longer be a fluxuation of the world’s magic – unless using magic reduces the amount of magic in the world (but then the ED would have to be producing more magic than they consume which doesn’t make much sense).

What, that “all storylines happen, just not as effectively as if you were there”?

The best example of that is the human street rat – if you choose to save Quinn, Logan screws up and people get poisoned, but the job gets done. If you choose to stop the poison, no one’s there to defend Quinn. Both threats happen – it’s just depending on which one you go to help prevent. When you’re not there, it’s not done as effectively so there’s more casualties.

Edit:
@ zeromius: that post is probably far more suited for this thread since it discusses the current developments in the LS. Nonetheless, how did I forget about the Battle of Divinity’s Reach? >.<

As to tying in all LS storylines – I think that’s further proof that the Molten Alliance were made by Scarlet and the Aetherblades. For whatever reason.

As for the fate of DR – I doubt it’d fall as in the alternate future. After all, the PC didn’t turn evil… yet.

Please read this thread – short answer: possibly, but not for the reason you point out.

The shared Deluxe Gear Boxes only furthers the connection, but very minutely (after all, there’s no tie between ghosts and Icebrood or Destroyers, yet they share drops; similarly, no tie between pirates and bandits (known) yet they share drops).

If you pay attention enough through the various alternate Orr story steps, you’ll see that just about every story path occurs – more or less – except without your character being the one that went there.

Even if you didn’t have the Dead Sister storyline for humans, SPOILERS that missing sister, Deborah, will return in Orr if you choose the Vigil’s plan for invading Cursed Shore. Similarly, even if you didn’t do the Act with Wisdom storyline as a sylvari, Tegwen and Carys still had their situation with the mirror – it’s just that Carys didn’t get your help in saving Tegwen. If you go to the Temple of Grenth in Orr near the end of the storyline, you’ll find the Statics asura storyline colleges there with their invention – even if you weren’t part of that storyline.

In this case, it would likely be that “some other asura made the Infinity Ball” or it would be “some asura goes on taking over the world and made the Steam creatures and sent them back” (or even “there’s a chance my asura goes to take over the world… he/she just didn’t make the Infinity Ball – but someone else did so my asura uses someone else’s invention to send an army back in time”).

It’s hard to define what the “canon” is here in the nitpickery of things, but effectively all storylines take place irregardless.

On the journal, iirc, they only went to Glint’s body and Glint’s corpse fell quite some distance from her lair (and thus perhaps the branded area). Though true, no mention of Kralkatorrik or the Branded there.

Plus, I’d think that Glint’s corpse would be a buffet for Kralkatorrik if he simply returned then left.

I may not have been nice, but I wasn’t rude.

What’s the point of AEFA’s question? What’s there to discuss exactly? >.> Or I suppose I should say “What is AEFA wanting to discuss/ask about Razah?”

It looks similar to Canthan script as Narcemus said. It is seen on the Cultist Hammer (which Entropy shares skins with, and Genesis is a reskin of) and the seals in Cliffside Fractal. This fractal depicts the beginnings of Tyria (presumably world) so likely the earliest stages of human history (e.g., likely before they arrived in Cantha even). A cleaner image of the symbol can be found in that fractal.

So it’s probably some proto-Canthan symbol. Since it’s relevant, it should be noted that Canthan ideograms work in a manner that one symbol represents a single word – with similar-meaning words sharing aspects of the symbol (e.g., the symbol for “man” exists within each profession’s symbol – often as the combination of “man” and what defines the profession – e.g., man and death for necromancer, man and elements for elementalist, etc.). It doesn’t actually match any known Canthan ideograms though.

Given the nature of the symbol’s usage, I’d imagine it represents “seal” or some such.

Except that he doesn’t leave a branded trail wherever he goes. Go and pick up Edge of Destiny and read the battle and his retreat again.

Creating the Dragonbrand is not passive. He actively made it. During the battle with Destiny’s Edge/Glint, he only branded in portions and was not branding when he fled.

And he’s pretty huge enough that he would have been seen if he remained in the area which he branded – which is not as large as you claim TBH. He certainly would have seen that Destiny’s Edge was broken and would have attacked again when they weren’t expecting if he remained in the area. But he didn’t remain in the area – it’s obvious he left to being out of sight and the only influence he had as he fled was the wind pressure made by moving his wings and affecting the clouds a bit. No branding.

And the Desolation is no more saturated in magic than the Crystal Desert, truth be told.

Considering there’s a thread about him on the front page… yes, people do still remember Razah.

Your point?

It uses mesmer magic to confuse the minds of “lesser intelligent beings” (per Teyo). In the human circus story you can go to a meeting for recruits where you get to experience the effects firsthand – you see other people as monsters. How the Ringmaster uses it is like hypnotism.

Goatjugsoup.8637:

Or maybe she left her people and they don’t really know what she’s been up to.

Unless she became a Soundless, that’s impossible for sylvari thanks to the Dream of Dreams.

Pretty sure that Dessa says that she’s studying after the stabilizing, but they become unstable again after a while. The creatures in the fractals are what destabilize it. As for how she studies, again iirc, she says they observe so it’s most likely done at a distance.

While a sylvari may be able to pass as a human with clothing covering their skin, I doubt a charr can sneak up to someone from behind and pull off being non-charr. Furthermore, Mr. E holds interest in Divinity’s Reach – Evon doesn’t.

There’s nothing to support Kiel being Scarlet either.

That tinfoil hat speculation doesn’t go far at all.

I don’t recall such a line in the English version so it’s likely just a translation error, given I cannot see how one may be able to save an extinct species.

Or, I should say, group of species. The Giganticus Lupicus, as it turns out from the latest GuildMag interview, refers to a group of large species. This includes the dog-like giant we see in Arah as well as the two different kinds of large skeletons in the Crystal Desert (and elsewhere in continental Tyria and Elona). The dog species is not the same as the other two (skeletons are way different) and nothing really supports it being a young version despite the GW2W’s claims – though Anet doesn’t deny it as a possibility because they had to keep the creature “small enough” to reasonably fight in the dungeon, but why it’s small compared to the other bones is just simply left unanswered (different species for sure, but may or may not be a youngling).

BTW, it’s not 11,000 AE but “11,000 years ago” or “in 10,000 BE” – though said date is only an estimation on scholars’ part.

Except that your claims usually revolve around GW2 in general… except that GW2 in general hasn’t messed up GW1’s lore. It’s the developer’s ideal for the living story’s presentation that does.

Technically, Bruno, we only knew Primordus seeped magic in its sleep. The other ED were unclear on this matter.

On your fourth point – technically, magic from the gods’ gift is the magic of the bloodstone which in turn was originally natural magic.

But what you ended with… is exactly what I said. Just in different words.

Kralk’s eyes are golden. Kralk’s skin is teal/silverish as seen in GW1.

My wonder – should the interview be taken at face value – is whether magic is naturally returning, or if it’s only doing so because the Elder Dragons are sleeping – as she says that the Elder Dragons release magic back into the world as they hibernate.

This would mean that if the latter, killing the Elder Dragons results in magic becoming stable – the amount not changing unless using magic reduces it.

As Tuomir said, it is most likely to be the original corpse of Zhaitan.

1. We were originally told Zhaitan’s corpse was to be found in Arah explorable. It got removed near the end of development.
2. Original Arah explorable beta maps shows a dragon lying in the same shape with the same appearance as the one in the trailer.
3. We know Zhaitan got a redesign shortly before release. The old version would have looked like Zhaitan’s original concept art, which is what that dragon in the trailer looks like.

The corpse likely got removed because Kekai came up with an all-more-epic-looking appearance for it which became the final version.

The sky is also fairly akin to Arah explorable’s sky (green), and the landscape matches more or less where the dragon corpse on the map was. We can still even get a PoI – Zhaitan’s Rest – during the Seer’s path where the corpse was on the beta map.

Goatjugsoup.8637:

That mysterious figure though what if they turned out to be one of the unknown firstborn sylvari, that could be cool

Scarlet of the Firstborn?

I could see this. But to have two evil Firstborn…. I think that’d be something that would get mentioned beforehand.

rohnis.2715:

Can you proof that it is Leviathan?
Well, if its Leviathan or not it can still be a minion of a dragon right?
And why i think its a trap not an asura portal? Because the head of the sea monster and this arch are connected.

The PoI in Claw Island titled “Pride and Maw” is the wreckage of the Pride and corpse of The Maw seen in Sea of Sorrows. The Maw uses that same skeleton.

Leviathans can be corrupted (the Maw was a risen leviathan), but that looks like a standard leviathan sketch and as far as we know, the DSD only corrupts water. But leviathans by themselves were outright stated when the manifesto trailer came out (the creature seen at the end is a Leviathan too) to be unrelated to the Elder Dragons.

And no… the leviathan sketch and the arch were not connected. Either way the arch on the bottom right is an asura gate concept art from Matthew Barrett – you can find it among the sketches here. The other doesn’t look like a trap at all.

Plus, such a shape for a trap would require placing it on the ocean floor, which wouldn’t be very viable.

rohnis.2715:

Where is this Infinite Coil Reactor?

Mount Maelstrom. It’s the big kitten hexagonal Inquest lab – underneath which lies the Crucible of Eternity.

That’s what I was referring to.

And true point about Caudecus bringing the circus to our attention.

Bruno, you should have long ago realized… wiki naming are not to be taken for granted. >.>

Odd that you two never saw that scene. It was always there in the cinematic. You didn’t go skipping Ogden’s Benediction did you? Can always hop in GW1 and rewatch it to see for yourself if you can see it.

Uzolan worked for Caudecus.

Caudecus works with bandits.

Bandits works with Inquest.

I don’t think it’s hard to imagine that the Inquest made it, sold it to the bandits who were buying it on Caudecus’ request for some mass mind-manipulation to overthrow Jennah/recruit more bandits from the populous.

BrunoBRS.5178:

and uzolan turned out to be evil in the end anyway, so one more thing on his tab wouldn’t kill anyone.

Though the carnies tried to kill Uzolan. It’s fairly obvious that they were either working under Caudecus’ orders to eliminate the one uncerstain element in his plots (Uzolan) – which seems unlikely given that Uzolan was still alive 20-some levels worth later, or more likely the Ringmaster went AWOL and was part of neither the bandits (whom work for Caudecus) or the Separatists (whom Uzolan is a part of).

Though an interesting thing about the Ringmaster is that he acts like he isn’t Krytan. At first made me think he was a Separatist, but given how it’s revealed Uzolan was a Separatist, it makes me think the Ringmaster was non-Tyrian.

Sadly, like much of the personal-story related stuff, GW2W is utterly lacking in information about the Ringmaster (e.g., picture of him). Perhaps he shares origins with Doern Velazquez.

While the plot of the Circus storyline is not exactly fascinating, the implications one gets when combined the Dead Sister, Caudecus Manor, and Asura lvl 2 story steps become quite interesting.

Went and saw the combat logs. Saw they’re from the direct attacks of the Watchknights so I retract my statement before and now go with “most likely what Tuomir said” – though I find it odd that they used the Branded Beam and not Spatial Surge or w/e the mesmer greatsword 1 skill is (same animation at least). But yeah, I wouldn’t put much stock in the combat log since that’s mechanics and I doubt they put too much attention in it. Heck, most monster skills don’t even have names.

@Erukk: Isn’t the projector still there? It can still be stolen.

However, unlike the smaller projectors, the Shatterer one didn’t seem to be… solid, I guess would be the way to say it. It often flew or whipped its tail through various places.

Regarding what the Scepter of Orr may control…

“I will follow the Scepter.”

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Sanctum_Cay#Intermediate_dialogue

Khilbron also claims that the Scepter allows him to control the undead, though incidentally the only thing we see him create on the spot would be the spirits of the White Mantle as Smoke Phantoms (during THK) – the ones in Sanctum Cay were likely already present and under his influence.

Then slap in the Staff of the Mists’ capability to control the physical and the Scepter of Orr being the twin staff – mechanically the Staff’s effects are shown via affecting the health of the PC and NPCs, whereas the Scepter’s effects are shown via affecting the energy of the PC.

Overall, this indicates that the Scepter of Orr influences the metaphysical (aka souls). The titans were made from tormented souls as well, so it fits.

How this leads to Livia obtaining longevity is unknown – if it even does mind you (she says to have studied Orrian magic on a whole so it’s possible she obtained her longevity elsewhere).

Ludovicus.7980:

OK, Garrenhoff. And yes, I know it’s speculation. But that there are some hints, even though they are not direct. That’s why it is speculation.

Honestly, I haven’t seen a single thing that – directly or not – connects Isgarren to Verata. With the exception of being in the vicinity of the Wizard’s Tower.

I mean, hell, do we even know that Verata was interested in the Wizard’s Tower? No, we actually don’t.

Mad Queen Malafide.7512:

And if this is the case (she does wear red, so it would seem rather obvious) that would mean that I was correct when I said that no one should assume to know what race Scarlet is. Just because Marjory felt someone grab her from behind, doesn’t mean she got a good look at that person’s arms. She could have covered her arms after all…. and surprise, surprise: She wears very long gloves, and is Sylvari.

1) I proclaimed Scarlet would be sylvari. So :P

2) Scarlet is not Mr. E – Mr. E is a dude, and he’s the one who grabbed Marjory from behind, not Scarlet. You’re mixing the two characters up.

Drakenvold.9761:

Livia forcing the asuran to work might be the Inquest link to the aetherblade tech they now carry,also Lvia might have gone insane from the scpter of Orr,being manipulated,been exiled for suspicious or less than stellar behaviour and helds a grudge for trying to protect Kryta and getting no thanks,it could be done,also she apeared in the recent book as master Exemplar of the shinning blade accompanying a prince of Kryta,75 years prior to gw2 beginning(the actual game)and looking surprisingly young too

It was stated that Livia did obtain the Scepter of Orr but only had it “for a short time” – in Sea of Sorrows, she no longer has the Scepter of Orr and is very much not insane or being manipulated.

When the charr legendary is up, it sends Searing Crystals striking everywhere. I suspect that it’s related to that since there’s already hints of the Searing being related to Kralkatorrik’s energy.

I do suspect that the Watchknight’s another technological advancement that Scarlet is after – after stealing Dragon Bash hologram projectors, possibly being related to the Molten Alliance and their tech advancement, and allying with the Inquest… seems everything she may be related with has something tech-related.

The skeleton found in the Durmand Priory is a Leviathan, which is a natural sea creature – not related to the Elder Dragons (directly at least).

BTW, the “diary” you make mention of – is a research journal which has a sketch of an Inquest member getting eaten. The game even makes mention that it’s comical, which means it’s not likely to be an accurate case of what happened.

This journal contains notes about a sea beast’s skeleton. There are sketches of what the creature looked like when alive, including a humorous scene in which it’s eating a Inquest agents.

The thing shown on the board in the Chantry of Secrets is also a Leviathan, btw. Not a dragon minion. Nor is there any reason to suspect either Order believes it to be a dragon minion. But… what trap do you talk about? On the board I see with the leviathan sketch, there’s an asura gate and what seems to be an LA arch with ships. No trap designs on it.

(Though now I"m more curious about what the text on that thing says).

She escaped. What was shown in that scene was that the chair she was tied up on was empty except the sash used to tie her up. Her fate’s revealed in the fourth part as well.

Or he went east off the map to south of the Blood Legion lands there.

Or he went southeast into Dzalana.

Or he went a bit west or a bit south remaining in the Crystal Desert but in a completely different area.

As I said, he did not remain where the battle took place – e.g., where the Dragonbrand is – and he did not leave a noticable trail as he fled. He may have made such later, but not when last seen in Edge of Destiny. Where Kralkatorrik can be is much larger than the size of Orr (though we already knew that Zhaitan made his little “throne” in Arah).

As for the postulation of what happens to a dragon in the desolation – probably nothing now. Remember that Joko flooded it, so it returned to its formerly verdant state (before Abaddon’s fall, it was verdant apparently according to two lines in Nightfall). Not only that, but whatever sulfur may remain – or even the amount of GW1 – probably wouldn’t be enough toxins to harm a creature as massive as Kralkatorrik unless it had prolonged exposure (and then there’s the fact that not all creatures are harmed by the sulfurous haze, such as wurms and demons).

BrunoBRS.5178:

kralk is the next logical step simply because the pact armada is closer to him, and he may or may not be fully healed yet. he’s also the most recent awakening, so he had less time to build up strength, as it seems dragons “charge up” with time as they consume, rather than getting worn out from extensive exercise/magic/whatever. which in turn means that kralk is as weak as he’ll ever be.

Problem is:

Where in the world is Kralkatorrik?

He fled off from the battle, no dragonbrand following him, so he’s not at the end of the Dragonbrand (which was the battle and I’d love to go see). So where is this dragon that’s made no noticable actions in the past now-six years?

Mad Queen Malafide.7512:

We can also hear some of the Elder Dragons roar in anger when we act against them.

The NPCs mention it to be Zhaitan’s anger and fear, but I’m more inclined to go the route of Sea of Sorrows – a roar of pain. It’s impossible for Trahearne and others to truly know what Zhaitan’s thinking and feeling when all they hear is a distant roar.

But anyways, yeah. It’s explicitly shown in EoD that Jormag and Kralkatorrik have emotions (rage and revenge/frustration/fear retroactively) and SoS/personal story shows Zhaitan to have such (anger and fear) as well as intelligence (Zhaitan and Kralkatorrik at least).

@Bruno: Nitpickery but Glint had her neck snapped, not beheaded.

@Malafide: I’d say that in cases like the Fate of Menzies. But in cases like Bonetti’s Rapier, I’d disagree.

Anyways, in regards to a possible connection… I think the only connection there is would be that both hold ties/resided at some point within the Realm of Torment.

I do not think that Menzies has been defeated. The Fate of Menzies is far from sufficient proof to truly suspect such since it could be something as simple as “a representation Balthazar’s intended fate for Menzies – his head on a pike!”

And about the skin similarity – every single new weapon is just a reskin of a previous weapon – or in the case of Entropy and Bonetti’s Rapier, a weapon of a previously-unavailable weapon skin.

Actually, from my knowledge of working indirectly with interviews, at least during some interviews they do have the database in front of them – or they get the questions before hand so that they can review the subject.

But that’s why Anet has a tendency to speak in non-absolutes. Because they could misremember or even change their mind later on.

Scarlet is most likely that “Mysterious Figure” saw during the Opening Ceremony. She has this kind of “bat-kitten crazy, fools with people leader” kind of personality going in her voice.

Lokheit.7943:

I think you’re mixing facts from 250 years ago and today.

WARNING: SEA OF SORROWS SPOILERS

More like 70 years ago and today. In Sea of Sorrows, she acts like the leader of those Shining Blade members – so if she isn’t the leader, she’s still high up on the chain of command.

Furthermore, she outright states in the novel that she doesn’t care who’s on the throne, so long as someone is – Jennah’s the only heir to her father. Removing Jennah would eliminate what Livia was so fanatical about not only 250 years ago, but 70 years ago. If her personality didn’t change in the course of 180 years, I doubt they would have in the 70 years following when she was still fanatically devout to protecting Kryta despite Prince Enair being crowned.

Lokheit.7943:

Currently Countess Anise is the leader of the Shining Blade

Openly, at least. Much like the Master of Whisper’s identity is unknown except to select Order of Whispers agents, it’s possible that Livia’s identity is similar.

On your point about LA v. Jennah – the Aetherblades, and thus Scarlet more likely than not given how they’re active without Mai, are attacking the Queen’s Jubilee. I don’t think Livia would have any need for such unless she went batkitten crazy, which nothing points in the direction of given the 180 years of stable mentality.

Frosch.7809:

The little “joke” Anise played on Logan makes me kinda suspicious of her, so i think chances are higher that she is Scarlet than Livia. But it could as well be someone new, and not anyone we met before.

For the same reason Livia is highly unlikely to be Scarlet, Anise is highly unlikely to be Scarlet. Scarlet seems to be the one behind the Aetherblade attacks, and the Aetherblades had just put Jennah and others in danger. No one of the Shining Blade would do such a thing.

BrunoBRS.5178:

i feel bad for asking this instead of doing my own research, but can anyone give me a quick rundown of livia’s lore? far as i know, she was just a necromancer refugee that worked for a grumpy asura and joins your party in EotN. why would she be immortal? or evil?

It’s unknown still why she has longevity. She appears no older in Sea of Sorrows than she does in Eye of the North, except for her hair having a stripe of white.

She does say in Sea of Sorrows that she spent years studying the Scepter of Orr and Orrian magic, so this likely has something to do with her longevity, but nothing concrete is said.

And there’s absolutely no evidence to indicate that she’s evil.

BrunoBRS.5178:

i really don’t remember that scene… maybe it doesn’t play out if you don’t beat prophecies? it’s the only campaign i never played >.>

It always plays.

Kyrel.8942:

For some reason I’m convinced Livia is Anise.

Anise is a mesmer; Livia is a necromancer. Anise is a childhood friend of Jennah; Livia’s way older. They look nothing alike.

Unlikely to the nth degree.

In regards to GW1 lore, if you really look at things unless they were presented as speculative (e.g., An Empire Divided’s statement of Luxons in the Crystal Sea), the only source that’s been proven wrong has been the History of Tyria (aka Thaddeus Lamount’s work).

Up until this interview, Abaddon’s actions remained important with with GW2’s alterations of the History of Tyria’s “facts,” and in previous interviews it had remained a case where “magic in the world was extremely rare or non-existent until Abaddon’s actions” with the addendum of “with the exception of prior to the previous Elder Dragon rise.” But this interview seems to be basically saying that’s not the case – in that the Five Gods’ actions to reduce magic was irrelevant anyways, since its effects didn’t even really last all that long (unless the rate of magical growth in the world is ever increasing rather than a steady rate of increase – making a curve on a graph rather than a straight diagonal line).

Andele.1306:

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a282/Dakkie-Boy/The%20guys/Guild%20Wars%20Lore/ScrollHall.jpg – Room
http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj230/Azazel_90/Guild%20Wars/Points%20of%20Interest/gw005-1.jpg – Dragon
http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20051026224434/gw/images/1/14/ForgottenMural.jpg – Forgotten
GO IN GAME, if you played it enough to know basic lore you got at least one location unlocked, proof is there.

No, proof is not there.

Nothing really even says that dragon stain glass mural is Primordus. We see the image in game, but what it depicts – like all other EotN dungeon murals – is never stated from a lore viewpoint. The best we get is when we have the title of the concept art that’s used, in which case the so-called “forgotten mural” is only ever called “serpent.”

You keep saying there’s proof, but all you’re doing is repeatedly showing that the mural’s in the game and that the playerbase calls it of forgotten.

Andele.1306:

Mists are the place between the worlds, Underworld, Tyria, FoW, etc are all connected with it you dimwit, just as earth and the milky way are connected with other solar systems trough the universe, that doesnt mean you can breathe in the void of space,

The Mists isn’t space. The Rift is outright stated to be within the Mists in the Prophecies manual (see online entry here ). The Underworld is outright stated to be within the Mists in Eye of the North (Let all who read this know the glory of <character name>, whose mighty deeds have restored order to the realm of the dead! Grenth himself owes honor to the one who crossed into the Mists, hunted foul demons beyond the doors of death, and brought Grenth’s justice to the legions of Dhuum. ) – and I’m sure that it’s also explicitly stated that the Realm of Torment and Fissure of Woe are within the Mists as well.

Andele.1306:

Last im saying Krait and Forgotten have a identical pattern in migration when compared and set against humans.

Really? What are these “patterns in migration” exactly, because what you’ve claimed is an unsupported proclamation that the forgotten and krait are related. Which unless either the history of the krait isn’t what’s currently hinted to be or the history of the forgotten is proven to be different than what Thaddeus Lamount claims (wouldn’t be too surprising there given current info), that’s just not the case. Keep in mind that in GW1, the krait used a lot of model retexturing (like many things in Eye of the North) and that as I said their appearance has drastically changed.

Until we’re told a lore reason for the appearance change, it is safer to believe that the krait simply got retconned. Same going for the kraken appearance.

Andele.1306:

thanks for being proof for your own point as the history on the wiki shows you edit it.

I do no edit wikia. I do periodically edit GWW and used to edit GW2W but that doesn’t mean that the wiki’s perfect or fullproof. There’s thousands of articles in each, making it impossible for any small group of people – or even a large group of people – to maintain accuracy throughout the wiki.

You got what’s being asked backwards Lordkrall, the asura gate in Lion’s Arch is what was meant to go to Southsun (what you said) – the one in Fractals of the Mists (the one being asked about) original destination is unknown. Dessa believes that the gate isn’t even active (it’s a case of self-denial; she’s under the impression that if she leaves that little lab, she’ll never be able to return there so she acts under the pretense of being trapped).