Guild Wars 2

Ironcloud.3892:

This isn’t about discrediting NA players as individuals, EU simply has better competition; 2 or 3 more solid teams around the same level – it’s objective. The go4’s are the only thing worth competing for so where are all these strong NA teams hiding? It simply isn’t healthy competition if one team dominates for such a long period of time.

Stop perpetuating this dumb EU vs NA kitten, people who enjoy this game just want to see strong competition, regardless of region.

^

Jasher.6580:

style.6173:

Maybe when one of those teams win a competition, they will get more respect, or maybe if they actually play a close match against Abjured.

As you mention there is no direct matchups. You can only go based on how easy or difficult it is for Adjured to fight against those EU teams. The matchups are a lot closer than during the NA fights. I’m actually surprised you can’t tell the skill of teams by watching them.

Which EU team outside of TCG and oRNG has played a close match with the current Abjured roster (since their winning streak)?

You CANNOT go based on how easy or how difficult it was for the Abjured to fight against those EU teams.

Styles make fights.

Joe Frazier beat Muhammed Ali. Foreman beat Frazier. Ali knocked out Foreman.

Try to look at this on a scientific level. You are looking at the results of a specific data cluster and applying the results from that data to determine the outcome of another data set which has a fundamentally different mosaic.

I argue that outside of TCG and oRNG, the current, more advanced Abjured (the one who is dismantling everyone at the moment) would just as decisively destroy all these “competitive” teams.

I’m actually surprised that you don’t think I can tell the skill of the teams. I think a lot of the NA teams are very skilful. I think there are “Non-Abjured Teams” would whoop most of these teams that EU thinks would give Abjured a better fight.

The Abjured doesn’t even need to get involved to prove anything. They could just go Tupac mode with a Hit Em Up style and say, “I’ma let my little homies ride on you”…

And I think the NA teams that you think are not competitive would stomp all over your precious little “competitive” teams.

You say that watching the teams play isnt enough in order to dterminate their skill… then why are you saying that Eu teams arent better than Na teams? How can you tell that Na teams can potentially “stomp” Eu teams? Maybe you are right, and we cant say EU>NA if top teams Eu doesnt play against top teams Na, but when we say that EU is more competitive than NA we are using some facts and deductions that can be more or less terminals, but they are there… what are you using as a fact?

Jasher.6580:

Krysard.1364:

-snip-

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/ad-hominem

No need to link… this, you can say it, you know?

oRNG and TCG are a good match against Abjured, we have seen this the last two WTS, and if we know that theres two more teams in EU that can provide some interesting matches against TCG or oRNG, while Abjured just stomps 500-100/2-0 NA teams, we can conclude that top teams EU have better competition and performance than top NA teams, nothing more

Jasher.6580:

Krysard.1364:

What you cant deny is that EU teams have more competition than NA teams… -.-’

What are you using to support this statement?

What do you mean by more competition? I keep hearing this, but I don’t think it makes any sense.

I mean that the 4 top teams of EU will be a more tight match against Abjured than the top NA teams

hisorange.3957:

Ok please stop it, I understand that they wanted to lock builds from the start, but why they still doing it when we log off and back with different builds?

When I get into downstate already logging off and getting back before my death wait time countsdown on a different build. So the system is easly abuseable and nothing more than a character slot sale.

My problem isn’t the lockdown itself but the pretty oblivious way that we all use to avoid it.

Not the same switch a build when you are dead than switch an elite in mid-game. Period. Also, the dishonor think.

Jasher.6580:

1. I think there are teams on NA (Not Abjured) who would whoop 55HPM
2. 55 cannot touch The Abjured.
3. A team beat Abjured in 1 round in the Go4 Cup today.
4. Saying that the skill difference is evident, I agree. Yes it is, but they would beat EU teams just as badly as they beat the NA teams. EU is just delusional in thinking they would put up any better competition than our teams.

It’s like Mike Tyson said, “Everyone has a plan ’till they get punched in the mouth.”

The Abjured is that punch in the mouth.

I understand that NA teams need a little bit of respect, they are being crushed by Abjured, but this doent means they are bad… What you cant deny is that EU teams have more competition than NA teams… -.-’

trunks.5249:

blubberblasen.3901:

it was the hidden elite skill from ele, because all elite from ele are op, like all skills with zero recharge.

1/4 cast time : “go to the forum and cry how OP all of the ele skills are” zero recharge.

… ah.. again .. anti ele thread..
… for your information: condi Ranger is lame, play melee ranger.
or l2p

what are you talking about crying? i said the guy was impressive.i just wanted to know what he did.has for melee vs condi ranger that’s a matter of a persons play style. no reason to be trolling on a legit question on a thread

Dont care about him, and as said, he was probably using Diamond Skin, bad luck there :/

Cause if its unlocked you can switch your build, not in order to have a better comp against the other team, but also lets say wsitch the ele elites for teamfights/mobility, or use two different builds against two different 1v1 in the same match….

EU or NA? ^^

/15legioncharrs

A week ago these forums had plenty of QQs about damage being too high… Sometimes I wonder if people on the forums play the same game…

Well, if you disable rangers pet you are kinda making them stronger…

Seriously now, if steal disables the class mechanic it need to be in a really bigger cd…

Yeh, you need to wear chest, leggings and boots. It doesnt matter the level, but if you dont wear anything you have less armour so PvP doesnt become a naked ppl festival

Can we have a team target and a personal target?

This doesnt affect PvP only, but I dont have any clue where to post this, so I post it here cause I was playing PvP when I thought about this… Sometimes you want to target someone in a teamfight, or a NPC to steal/heal him (svanir/lord), but without making it the focus of your team/party, just cause you want to keep an eye on him or fast target him if needed, so making a double target (the traditional target and your own target) can solve this…

Thoughts?

We need the implementation of dishonor now, we cant wait until HoT… Theres an AFK since start in the 90% of the matches, not funny to play with or against this, hands down the biggest problem the PvP have right now, balance is a kitten compared to… I prefer to play and lose than be zerged all the match and not play at all

Happy that this build also works with a melee/range mix in WvW ^^

I also remember a Continuum rift stuck near the engineer npc for the last two days, but, its a continuun rift, at least works as intended :P

I remember having problem cause the queue skill wasnt working as intended since 23/6, but for the last few days I dont have this problem anymore, maybe cause right now Im just spamming the skills until they work, dunno :/

Firebird.8324:

Zackie.8923:

Why anet why? why do you have to input an anti-fun system in your league format. you have a format that takes away players’ points when they lose. this type of reward system is both negative in nature and discouraging.

Instead, you should put in a ‘rise slower’ system when people lose so that they still get something out of their playing of pvp, like the system you have now. At least with the current system, i can still grind out rank points while losing.

and to compile problems, the legendary backpack which looks times better than the fractal legendary one, is only obtainable when we reach the legendary tier? wut?!

What is “Discouraging” is when a turret engie (insert current rank farm class here) just yolos queue over and over and gets the pvp gear with a 30% win/loss ratio. I like the system Anet has come up with and hope it caters to the teams that win near 100% of their games like it should.

^This

TheBlackLeech.9360:

The Legendary Demon Stance Elite, Embrace the Darkness, applies torment to the player in pulses….. but only applies resistance once (if traited).

The elite should re-apply resistance as often as torment is applied, otherwise this elite will be so situational that it will never get any use.

Even in pvp when the circumstances where you will get stacked with conditions actually can arise, the measly amount of resistance applied does not even give you a chance to survive long enough to use them against your foes.

Lich form, Plague form, Rampage, Tornado, etc…. all reapply stability every few seconds…

This elite needs to reapply resistance in the same fashion.

The torment hits for 40 damage points when walking, and giving perma resistance to revenant will make him immune to condi builds, and being capable to dodge everything with Shiro…

JoshuaRAWR.4653:

Krysard.1364:

Unyelding Anguish is super OP, yep, im running with a soldier build decapping everything easy… Maybe doing so when you stand inside the AoE you cannot capture points, like with other skills?

No. Because then it can be used against your own team.

You can use Shadow Refuge or Mass Invisibility against your team too

skowcia.8257:

Krysard.1364:

PD: Shiro’s heal is perfect as it is, it only needs the siphon cd removed and you have a really strong heal

The olny heal ingame that require you to keep hititng in order to heal…Its the worst possible one and nothing is fine about this ability. These daggers goes to waste and i dont heal for a jack when im trying to run away. These daggers also dissappear if you get downed.

Revenant is also weak in 1v1 unless we run condi and even then..power builds can kill you.

This is a proactive heal, like Troll heal form ranger, you cannot use it when 10% health as a panic button, but when entering combat so you can get the 100% of the heal and the burst dmg from siphon… If we remove the cd from siphon this is a really great heal for sure

Rygg.6237:

Krysard.1364:

Kidel.2057:

it’s not squishy, but not even tanky. Survivability in pve relies more on Shiro then Jalis.

Same in PvP, I mean, Jalis is the worst deffensive thing ever seen, it only have the elite to tank damage…

Still Jalis is great for a roamer and direct damage spec but has no survivability, also the cast times are plain useless I’ve tried to secure stomps with Inspired Reinforcements and have gotten KD, Fear and stun because the god kitten cast time and animation take too long to get down in time, Forced Engagement is just useful in SH vs. the Heroes… and that’s it, you can get a nice burst from Vengeful Hammers if you pop it right before porting to an enemy, specially if you proc the Hammer from the trait, there are some good combos, the main problem it’s that it lacks sustain no point in having burst potential if 4 out of the 9 professions can avoid it with an evade and 2 skills and then burst you because you can’t mitigate the damage.

IMO Revenant could use lower energy costs, more boons for passive defense and more damage, the as someone already said those problems were there before the PoI and haven’t been adressed, I just hope that Revenant feedback doesn’t get ignored for 3 years as Necromancers were, it’s not like Roy hasn’t done anything to try to get the Revenant in a better spot the team has done it, but most of the time devs try to “fix issues with the profession that we feel fit the theme of the profession” and well, that doesn’t help much if the root of the problem is not looked at.

Agree, vengeful hammers can do a pretty ncie burst (see VH+staff#5), but the long cast time and the overall less survivality than the dodge spam from Shiro makes it a clunky legend for me

Kidel.2057:

Krysard.1364:

Kidel.2057:

it’s not squishy, but not even tanky. Survivability in pve relies more on Shiro then Jalis.

Same in PvP, I mean, Jalis is the worst deffensive thing ever seen, it only have the elite to tank damage…

Are you saying that elite is being used effectively in pvp?

Im saying that right now I dont bother to use Jalis cause I cant see which skill is useful instead of stability road for stomps/rezz

Kidel.2057:

it’s not squishy, but not even tanky. Survivability in pve relies more on Shiro then Jalis.

Same in PvP, I mean, Jalis is the worst deffensive thing ever seen, it only have the elite to tank damage…

Revenant is squishy when being focused, in a 1v1 you can do pretty well with all the heal siphon you have, but when being hard focused (see teamfights) or being under hard condi pressure you will explode cause you will lack energy…

PD: Shiro’s heal is perfect as it is, it only needs the siphon cd removed and you have a really strong heal

Duke Blackrose.4981:

Krysard.1364:

Of course are the legends who make noise, but these legends are channeled by you and make noise thanks to your body, it makes total sense for me to have male/feamle “cast” voices for legends

It’s a form of possession. Usually possession in fiction is portrayed as being above the physical limitations of the possessed, and it tends to be emphasized using the voice of the spirit rather than the host when there is a will to do so.

I agree with you, and i’m not against the “Legend voice”, but I just want to remark that the char voice instead of thelegend voice makes total sense, cause in certain aspect you are using their power, not physically invoking them in place

Of course are the legends who make noise, but these legends are channeled by you and make noise thanks to your body, it makes total sense for me to have male/feamle “cast” voices for legends

Hopefully

/15kittenchars

The league format doesnt punish you that hard by losing, I mean you are not even going to lose your tier until high divisions, and even if you lose you will not lose your division…

Norn

/15charsarethere

nocte.5419:

dunno why the weapon skills use energy and have a cd. make it either one or the other.

This. If weapon skills have CD, why energy? you are not going to spam them cause you cant, and maybe using stances that costs penergy pips and being able to use your 1-5 are a good combination, just saying :P

Corruption —> 2/3/1
Retribution—> 2/3/2
Devastation —> 2/2/3
Mallyx/Shiro, Staff – Sword/Axe
Soldier amulet, vampirism rune, energy and leeching sigils

And lets abuse of Unyelding Anguish

With revenant we have a new -and sometimes weird- animation that makes our char to go away hitting thinks (sword and hammer #3). Any problem there, but when playing PvP I feel like sometimes I need to dodge something really hard -see Mawl- when using sword/hammer#3, and Im literally stuck hitting the enemy. Sometimes when weapon swapping I can cancel the attack, but this doesnt seems to work always -Idk why-, and I think it is reasonable (if not a need) to have the option to stow weapon in order to cancel this.

And, this is a more personal thought, but what if when we stow weapons we return where we have started casting the skill, but when weapon swaping we stay where we are? This doesnt makes that big of a difference with sword, but we can use it with hammer in order to improve occ mobility without Shiro and win a gap closer in combat (with the “punishment” of the weapon swap CD).

I really think enery costs from weapons needs to be removed. They have already a CD-thief utilities doesnt cost iniciative-, and when using a stance it is likely you will only spam AA cause energy. Also, like this maybe we can solve the energy regen problem, cause right now half of the time you cannot use utilities due to the lack of energy, and use it twice seems impossible to me :p

EDIT: I also think we need 4 utilities, theres always one that I hardly use, for example Jalis taunt seems so weak in comparison to the energy cost… maybe if we can have more energy… :/

Deth.4109:

how does this fare in team fights.

You have some damage, and you can CC with axe 5, staff 5, Unyelding Anguish (also awesome for stomps/rezz), and boon elimination thanks to Mallyx and traits (see stability). You are not the best on teamfights, but you can do it pretty well while shining on decapping and holding. For example, you can decap and start a teamfight somewhere without the pressure of being fighting in an enemy point

Unyelding Anguish is super OP, yep, im running with a soldier build decapping everything easy… Maybe doing so when you stand inside the AoE you cannot capture points, like with other skills?

Last beta, I tried different builds for revenant, but it was a mess. Only think I could do was to equip staff, soldier amulet, and abuse Unyelding Anguish for free decaps and rezz/stomps while tanking with blocks, evades (+ sigils) and condi cleanse thanks to Resistance. And, right now, with weapon swap+Shiro and your wonderful Riposting Shadows (aka evade spam) you can excel at stealing and holding nodes. Super Speed ooc, UA, blocks, condi cleanse, CC, enemy boon control (Banish Enchantment) and more evades than s/d thief, all of this with reasonable damage when needed.All in all still the only build that I can make work in tPvP

Traits:

Corruption —> 2/3/1
Retribution--> 2/3/2
Devastation —> 2/2/3

Mallyx/Shiro, Staff – Sword/Axe

Soldier amulet, vampirism rune, energy and leeching sigils

Now working on a more DPS oriented build with Barbarian

Opinions?

Wrath of justice (cast signet of wrath when hitting someone with the active attack of justice) doesnt triggers when using Spear of justice from DH, is this a bug or intended?

I dunno if you can do this quotient, but mainly —> + toughness, – vitality = more % heal but also more vulnerable to condis cause they dont care of toughness, so you can kite more with toughness if you can heal a lot but yo are vulnerable to condis and hard burst

Revenant needs the energy weapon cost removed, cause right now you enter a fight and you are half of the time not using anything cause you lack energy… Also you can hardly use an utilite twice except the cheaper ones when hero-swapping, if you are not wasting energy with 1-5 maybe this can change… and traits are a mess, you cant do anything but random builds half of the time

All in all, 300% better than last time

Orng has not take enough care to nodes, winning teamfights doesnt give you the victory there

Toker hands down MVP of the WTS

Exciton.8942:

Lopez.7369:

EremiteAngel.9765:

i already lost count of the number of times the necro got ganked and destroyed

I feel like I’m watching a different game than you. Nos rarely died outside of team wipes. He also consistently kept a node decapped or capped, and won his one-on-ones (as he should, because the celestial signet build can’t really lose to any viable builds.)

Yeah, he event beat denshee in a 1v1, yes that amazing 1v1 conquest king DD ele.

Necro counters ele

Agree, Shiro’s heal siphon cd needs to be removed, so you can do lets say a burst heal/damage with sword#3

Actually you can get perma Super Speed by switching heroes ooc and gaining 50 energy, then using the SS Shiro skill

Aeryn.9813:

bloodpyrope.8630:

Why the focus on just captains eh? What about the rest of the teams?

Aww, that’s because only captains were featured. But some of the teammates do look cute and adorable.

Phantaram

The Logo will prevail boiz!!

That said, this WTS gonna be really interesting, I really dont know which team will win, all of them seems enough strong towin the tournament

he says its not enough, hopefully someday conquest and deathmatch will have sperate qs

I love the suspense of two thieves dueling