Guild Wars 2

Penguin.7906:

bracket was full 4 hours after mail was sent…

That doesnt’ change the fact that teams don’t show up and he works his way down the reserve list to fill those spots instead of giving teams byes.

Furthermore he only posted the brackets for Q1 NA brackets.

Meaning that’s less than 13% of the total teams in this tournament. He has yet to release the other 7 bracket pools.

Spoiler alert

1. EU beats NA 500 – 200
2. NA beats CH 500 – 0
3. CH copper trophy

based on my experience playing on all 3 servers.

How does a 3-team tournament work?

Round Robin?

Penguin.7906:

Invited is not the same as playing though sadly.

“Please respond with your team’s name and if you intend to play or not. Please note that because you are invited in a secondary wave your seat in the tournament is not confirmed and these spots will be given to the first teams to respond to this email”

This is a strange system, why not close the registration when you have enough. And how was it decided which teams are invited in a secondary wave?..

He said spots are given on a first-come first-serve basis.

The total slots available have been filled but with hundreds of teams that register, many being pve players who show a dull interest in actually showing up, many of the teams either do not appear at the event, or fail to respond to the invitation.

So if he literally closed registration at 100 (for the hypothetical) and 70 teams don’t reply to RSVP, and 10 of those that did RSVP don’t show up for the tournament, then only 20 teams would be left…

It makes sense to me.

Also, isn’t this opening up EU/NA the options to totally ruin this process?

The prizes are sizable enough for either side to mob the voting and have NA or EU send lots of squishies into the series, or even counter-comp based on what they know the players are good/bad at?

Plus one of NA’s voting slots is taken up by an authorized shoutcaster… I mean we can debate how good/bad these candidates are but I think it’s obvious that that’s a notable disadvantage, especially considering he’s famous and will likely get a lot of votes for that alone.

I’d like to see an All-star team from candidates who typically can’t commit to a more traditional team like the above players can. Pretty sure everyone up there is already going, why not a wild card team from top players who have proved to be extremely competitive while not being associated with any particular team?

Also, I could have totally misunderstood this post/announcement. I had to read it a couple of times before it sounded like an All-Star team was being created from a combination of players tom compete against the other teams that will be at the event. Could someone elaborate on -exactly- what this is for?

Ok after reading it a 3rd time it seems as if this voting is to determine which teams go from each region?

I originally thought that this was what it was about too, but that still didn’t make much sense since it’s giving a player’s reasoning as to why he alone should attend.

Ok so maybe now I understand. No particular team is going? It’s just going to be a series of players voted on from teams who have won past tournaments to create -one- ‘all star’ team from the list of top-voted players from each region?

If that’s the case I’d rather be voting on a team, rather than a player, since teams would have more synergy…

I don’t understand what’s going on here exactly…

After actually clicking the voting link it looks like the latter: we’re selecting the 5 players from our region to represent us in the tournament.

Zirith.6429:

q1 is like the easiest bracket I’ve ever seen for anything ever, but on the bright side I have no idea which teams will get out.

Without player names the default teams from quickly glancing at it to make it past Q1 is elusive and maybe joo binder, but I guess it depends on who is on the other teams since there’s really no correlation between team name and players involved.

Peow peow.2189:

Lux.7169:

blitzkrieg.2451:

Lux.7169:

I’ve recently had a lot of experience with this while playing on the Chinese servers (3s latency during the best times).

Regardless of the 3s+ delay in every action I was still very successful (180wins 3 losses from yolo Q’ing into tpvp). Of course a lot of it had to do with my experience playing on NA and then versing the inexperienced Chinese players, but regardless I think the advice is solid:

It comes down to knowing very common openers, rotations, and the general flow of combat. It’s not hard to reliably anticipate the future of a battle and the more familiar you are with match-ups the better you can predict and react to those actions before they take place, or in this case, while they take place. Knowing when you should burst, but then understanding that with your 2-3 second delay the burst won’t take place for that delay and so it’s all about timing, even when you’re not really interacting with the up-to-speed actions from the enemy.

That’s how I managed to combat high ping ~400-2,700 ping on the chinese servers.

Lux also dc’s intentionally/logs off when kitten goes south in solo que in NA. ^^

Pretty amazing that I keep a 62% win ratio by doing this with over 1k games played. Maybe I should teach people.

would pay for lessons

I once wrote a guide, it was pretty short actually so I’ll copy pasta here:

2222222222222 then you saw ‘owned go back to pve’

blitzkrieg.2451:

Lux.7169:

I’ve recently had a lot of experience with this while playing on the Chinese servers (3s latency during the best times).

Regardless of the 3s+ delay in every action I was still very successful (180wins 3 losses from yolo Q’ing into tpvp). Of course a lot of it had to do with my experience playing on NA and then versing the inexperienced Chinese players, but regardless I think the advice is solid:

It comes down to knowing very common openers, rotations, and the general flow of combat. It’s not hard to reliably anticipate the future of a battle and the more familiar you are with match-ups the better you can predict and react to those actions before they take place, or in this case, while they take place. Knowing when you should burst, but then understanding that with your 2-3 second delay the burst won’t take place for that delay and so it’s all about timing, even when you’re not really interacting with the up-to-speed actions from the enemy.

That’s how I managed to combat high ping ~400-2,700 ping on the chinese servers.

Lux also dc’s intentionally/logs off when kitten goes south in solo que in NA. ^^

Pretty amazing that I keep a 62% win ratio by doing this with over 1k games played. Maybe I should teach people.

I’ve recently had a lot of experience with this while playing on the Chinese servers (3s latency during the best times).

Regardless of the 3s+ delay in every action I was still very successful (180wins 3 losses from yolo Q’ing into tpvp). Of course a lot of it had to do with my experience playing on NA and then versing the inexperienced Chinese players, but regardless I think the advice is solid:

It comes down to knowing very common openers, rotations, and the general flow of combat. It’s not hard to reliably anticipate the future of a battle and the more familiar you are with match-ups the better you can predict and react to those actions before they take place, or in this case, while they take place. Knowing when you should burst, but then understanding that with your 2-3 second delay the burst won’t take place for that delay and so it’s all about timing, even when you’re not really interacting with the up-to-speed actions from the enemy.

That’s how I managed to combat high ping ~400-2,700 ping on the chinese servers.

I’d believe solo Q is broken if I saw ostrich hovering around 50% on the LB. Fancy that he’s been in top ~2% since release.

I’m just using him as an example whom I know nothing about, simply becaues all of the top players on my friends list are never in the ’s which is roughly the bottom 95

Lopez.7369:

The MMR system isn’t different from other games. The problem is the competitive PvP population is too low, which can really screw up any MMR system.

I think what’s strange about this discussion is how so many people point out the so-called luck factors, like bad comps and 4 vs. 5 matches, without understanding that they become a statistical wash after dozens of matches.

Just think of it this way: Everyone has those problems. Everyone gets a match in which his or her team is just terrible or one guy isn’t even there. How is it, though, that some people manage to rise despite those problems? The answer, in general, is they’re just better. That’s what the leaderboards measure. They show players who in the long-term rise to the top because they can carry teams and overcome those luck factors, while worse players just can’t.

Exactly, the only common denominator in all of anyone’s matches is themselves.

Wolfield.9812:

God. Cat. Mice.

That was funny as hell, surely Ele’s are back in cat tier tho?!

This was released… 2 weeks after the game came out?

Maybe someone should update it XD

I have been gifted legenday psitol now so I am x2 legendarys still in need of powerful team NO TRAITORS

I can very impress with many thief technicques and partially speak mandarin and spanish with wonderful english and very powerful

message me fast before I am swooped away by many other brilliant players. No trying to flirt with me though

When I see players with 1,000+ games holding ~55% win ratio means something to me.

Of course 1000 and 55% are arbitrary numbers, that’s generally where I personally draw my line for a good portion of games to judge by and a significant percent difference above that which should be expected.

I don’t really see such a link. The only link I do see is to Gaile Gray’s post saying it’s not ok to keybind multiple skills to one key. But that one doesn’t explain the faulty translation.

Lux.7169:

As for 1-1 skill keybinding…
…
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https://forum-de.gw2archive.eu/forum/support/account/Account-zu-unrecht-gebannt-od-Probleme-mit-Razor-Naga-Maus-1

“All that in reaction to an attempt at making a light heartedly intended comment like”

Except it’s a cyclical effect, with—surprise surprise— you at the beginning. Basically I hear you saying this and it really contradicts itself…
You: “Your bad translation offends me”
Me: “Reasons why I can post that translation if I feel”
You: “Reasons why you can post that it offends you if you feel like”
Me: “Reasons why that doesn’t matter”
You: “All of this is off topic so why are we even talking about it?”
Me: “That was my point all along, that’s why I pointed out that bringing this into the thread was unnecessary in the first place”
You: “its your fault for responding”
Me: “lolwut?”

As for the rest of the topics you conveniently ignored:
-Where is your list of evidentiar procedure rules, since clearly I am expected to know them if I want to avoid your cries of “that information offends me,” ?
-Where is the palpable list of reasons why I am such an un-credible source? You said that I wasn’t credible for many reasons.
-Where is the proof that you’re the judge on reasonable. You make claims that you want this to be a reasonable discussion yet you’re not saying by what standard and simply seem to be defining reasonable as “whatever sounds good to me.”
-Why did you conveniently ignore the question about the terrain designer? What position of power is he in to create/construct/or even clarify ToS rules for that matter?

-As for the point of discussion, it’s not what you are trying to force it to be. It’s not whether dodge-jump is 1 action or 2 or 3. The OP asked about whether or not lag was influencing his inability to perform it correctly 100% of the time.

You want to turn this into a metaphysical discussion on whether its 1 action or 2. That doesn’t matter since you’d just be trying to force a niched view on it into the devs generalized statement that 1 key = 1 action.

Just because you get others to believe it’s considered 1 action doesn’t make it so.

Here, I’ll humor you, though:

Let’s use heart seeker and infiltrator’s signet. Obviously 2 different skills which can be used by themselves. You can also obviously use them together a fraction of a second later, or 2 seconds apart to create a synergistic technique that really has no label like dodge-jump. Regardless I see them in the same vein.

you activate one skill and then at some point before the first skill is over you activate the second skill to create a brand new effect not intended by either skill individually but rather through the combination of it.

Now if someone were to key bind a HS and timestamp macro the inf signet to go off 1 second after HS was activated, or .5seconds or .1 second it doesn’t matter. I think we would all agree that constitutes multi-keybinding which most of us would agree directly violates the ToS.

As such we can apply the same logic with 2 other unique skills, dodge and jump. However, the more confusing aspect to this is that the time-frame is MUCH smaller, between .00001 and .15 (probably). That shouldn’t confuse the issue though because it’s the exact same concept.

Again, it’s a metaphysical discussion meaning it’s not fact that HS INF SIG combined is not considered 2 actions or 1 action. I can’t tell you how you interpret it personally. But based on my knowledge and what the devs have said, it violates the ToS.

“All right, so it was a post. While you get a clarification from a mod when a thread you posted in is removed, you don’t get a clarification when a post is removed. You don’t know why the post was removed, it might even have been the original poster who deleted it. You do not know.
How would you know why it disappeared?”

Nope, never claimed I knew why it was deleted and I never said who deleted it. Although if you take occam’s razor to it the logical conclusion is that it is more likely a mod deleted it than the person would delete it themselves ~12+ hours later. Regardless it happened one way or another. I wasn’t trying to prove a point but rather found it interesting that someone actually said the exact words and the post was deleted.

“Anyone can decide for themselves who they trust or find credible.”

Obvious comment is obvious. That’s the entire point. So you saying that I am not credible for you in this vacuum is unnecessary, it goes without saying otherwise we would have to put forth evidence.

“No, common psychology, we all try to interpret new facts with our existing understanding.”

I think it’s hilarious that you are essentially putting yourself into the role ‘god of knowledge’ in this conversation saying that you know what is considered gibberish, true, false, what I am capable of understanding, what I am incapable of understanding, etc.

Perhaps you don’t realize that I actually fully understood his post and made sense of it. Does that concept elude you?

frans.8092:

Lux.7169:

Where on Earth did I say you could only look for information in any particular place?

With “We are talking about the specifics of this thread” and “so you ASSUMED I meant outside of this thread too” in this post:

Lux.7169:

We are talking about the specifics of this thread. Unless you’re putting words in my mouth or lying. Please quote the other people in this thread?

No? Oh yeah so you ASSUMED I meant outside of this thread too. Or you shoved those words in my mouth. Lack of specificity? You should have asked for clarification. As such you’re 100% wrong.

Lux.7169:

I never said you weren’t the only one to think/post it at any point in time.

You did actually when you said, and I quote,

Lux.7169:

except you’re the only one who is suggesting it’s not a violation of the ToS.

Oh, except one person who literally said it was not a violation of tos and his post was deleted (and he was likely infracted for it).

That is you referencing another post, with ‘except’ linking it to ’you’re the only one’ implying there really is no one except me saying this.

Lux.7169:

Nor did I ever say that you should only limit your search to this thread.

Yes, you did, right here:

Lux.7169:

“No, I am not the only one and I am giving reasons as to why I think it is not, while you are giving reasons as to why you think it is and we don’t agree. That is not uncommon for a discussion.”

Yes you are. We are talking about the specifics of this thread. Unless you’re putting words in my mouth or lying. Please quote the other people in this thread?

You’ve completely missed the point of every single there.

I -NEVER- said you couldn’t go outside of this thread for information. I even quoted devs outsides of this thread.

I was saying within the specifics of this thread in because of your ridiculous accusation that you said I meant “you are the only person to think that.”

Why would I ever make such a baseless blanket statement? That’s like saying “no one thinks the world is flat” when obviously someone out there probably thinks that.

However if we’re having a discussion at a table about the world obviously being round and you are the only one at the table who says “the world is flat” and I say “you’re the only one thinking that” it’s in reference to the table discussion and the opinions expressed therein. It would be stupid for me to suggest you’re the only one in existence to think that. Because when you go and say “I’m not the only one! My grandma told me it was true” we wouldn’t gasp in disbelief but rather we would laugh because you had missed the point entirely.

That being said, all of your quotations where you try to demonstrate I said you can’t look for information outside of this thread is completely out of context and by no means demonstrates that.

You’re trying to cover your lack of understanding by manipulating what I am saying.

Looking for a weekend team.

Here are my credentials:

-I have the legendary short bow
-lvl 80 in pve
-I have only lost in a 4v1 twice
-I have fought against caed

“Wow man, you do same pretty upset about me critiquing a seriously poor translation.”

So you ignore all the questions I asked? You won’t even clarify on why you manipulated my statement to voice something completely irrelevant? So instead of responding to the issue you just pretend it didn’t happen and make an ad hoc attack on me?

“What are you talking about? Evidentiaty procedure? I’d like an open minded discussion with reasonable arguments, specifically why do you think it should be considered as two actions and not one and why do you think there’s any advantage to using dodge-jump in combat over simply using dodge.
You see, there they are again the core questions, (a) 1 or 2 actions and (b) combat advantages over other players.”

What am I talking about? Evidentiary procedure: the process by which evidence may be brought into a discussion. Since you made such an enormous deal about me quoting a german dev via a german to english translation and linking the specific source of information you are obviously following some made-up rules and are expecting everyone else to follow these same rules.

As such I am asking what these rules are? Where are you coming up with these completely random rules for the discussion?

You say you want a discussion with reasonable arguments, but who is the judge of reasonable? You? You sure seem to be acting like that by saying that the translation is so horrible that it is nonsensical except I made perfect sense of it.

So are you claiming to be the almighty judge of reasonable here? If not then by what standards are you suggesting everyone come into this thread? Do you think we all share your interpretation of reasonable?

At the end of the day whatever the devs declare to be status quo is all that really matters with the part of the discussion I have chosen to involve myself in. For me there is no evidence suggesting it is ok to key bind jump dodge to 1 key, and it even makes it worse that by doing this you literally have to set a time macro on the mouse for a fraction of a second later, so not only is 1 key activating 2 actions, but it’s setting one on a micro-second specific timer in order to perform a skill the devs call a ‘pro tip’ to perfection.

“I never said that, I said he didn’t seem concerned in the slightest about the legality of binding it to a single key.”

Thanks for clarifying—that being said who cares what a terrain designer thinks (or doesn’t think about) in this case? Don’t you have some hidden agenda of evidentiary procedure? Apparently, according to you, I can be berated for quoting a german english translation via computer, but you can quote terrain designers? Have you seen him clarify keybinding issues in the past? Does he hold a spot on the panel that created the ToS? What at all—besides the red blob—suggests that his opinion (or lack of opinion in this case) holds any levity on an interpretation of the ToS? I’d genuinely like to know—especially if your only basis for quoting this as evidence to support the legality of this is the fact that he is a dev.

“You seem to be having a hard time summing up the issues I am so ignorant about. It really can not be hard to list them.”

Oh I could teach you, or you could spend the thousands of hours I have in pvp learning the in-combat advantages or spending more hours reading guides on the advantages.

As for you trying to hijack this thread and turn it into your soap box, the POINT of the discussion is whether lag is affecting the OP’s ability to reliably perform jump-dodge.

The next person told him that people who do it most likely key bind it to 1 key and that’s where I chose to clarify that it violates the ToS.

So are you forcing me to enter the metaphysical discussion you’re turning this into? I don’t care if you consider it 1 action or 2 and the devs don’t either.

You seem to be overlooking the final rule the devs laid out: when in doubt, don’t do it.

“Why all the irrelevant side-tracking? I’ve been trying to get the discussion back on track by returning the two core issues in just about every post, but you keep dodging it and instead post irrelevant musings.”

Irrelevant side-tracking? Is this a joke? I post a german quote SPECIFICALLY on the issue, hours later another person finds the english version saying the same thing that was analyzed earlier and you spend a significant portion of your response harping on how a german to english translation OFFENDS you even though it has NOTHING to do with the discussion at hand since the translation and interpretation made enough sense to get a solid analysis of it and continue the discussion?

Now that I call you out on your unnecessary tangent you try and pretend to be the victim by saying I am responsible for this point of discussion when you were the one who randomly decided to impose your sense of offense in the thread?

“Then why did you read that into my critique of the poorly translated text?”

What are you talking about? I realize you’re not good with english so I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt that something got lost in translation here. Your question literally makes no sense in any form of context I try and put it in.

“Oh, now I am so sad, I really thought you cared, after-all you thought I seemed offended, so I explained. My mistake.”

Outside of the sarcasm, for someone who was just moments earlier was making such a huge fuss about irrelevant tangents, you mock me for pointing out how irrelevant your pet-peeve’s are?

As for me thinking you were offended, you literally said that the horrible translation offended you.

“Only if they are so bad that they aren’t English anymore. Excuse me for needing understandable and correct English with these kinds of issues. Why would that offend you?”

Except no one else had problems with the post for the ~12+ hours that it was posted.

Why would it offend me? Who cares? It’s an example to prove a point. It doesn’t offend me and even if it did I wouldn’t bring in my ridiculous pet peeve’s unnecessarily into a discussion—you know, like how you mentioned irrelevant tangents?

“A bit odd to confine the search to this thread, but a sly move. Anyway, you don’t determine where I can look for information, reference, quotes, opinions etc …..”

A bit odd? You literally assumed 100% incorrectly.

Where on Earth did I say you could only look for information in any particular place? Quote me. Show me exactly WHERE I said you COULD ONLY LOOK FOR INFORMATION FROM.

Again you’re lying and trying to manipulate what I’ve said to mean something COMPLETELY different.

JUST because I pointed out where you assumed I meant any post or thought in existence as opposed to the discussion at hand does NOT imply I am saying you must (or even should) just limit your search to these forums.

That being said when I am talking about posts in this thread and using generalized statements as a representation of our current active discussion, quoting other threads and basically saying “see you’re wrong, someone else in existence happened to think/post this too.”

So you’re digging yourself a deeper hole here. I never said you weren’t the only one to think/post it at any point in time. Nor did I ever say that you should only limit your search to this thread. Where did I ever suggest that I was in a position to determine where you search for information? Please, specifically quote where I said that because as I see it you’re manipulating my mode of CLARIFICATION as a way to suggest that I am saying I am in charge of determining where you look for information—which is absolutely not the case.

“Actually without the thread and the context it is hard to judge what was said and why it might have been removed. And, no, I really don’t trust your ability to reliable and objectively handle the context of these issues.
You have, btw, not given me any reason to trust you and many reasons not to. Without the thread we don’t know what was in it or why it was removed.”

What on Earth are you talking about? What thread? No one said anything about a thread. Why are you shoving words in my mouth?

Someone came here and made a post saying something to the affect of: “Fine, I’ll be the one to say it. It’s ok to key bind jump-dodge to 1 key /thread.”

Give or take a grammatical difference and a word or two that’s the heart of what he posted. /report later + 1 day and the post is gone.

Please stop lying and manipulating what I’ve said into something completely different.

What proof do you have to show that you’re credible either? Isn’t it obvious that no one here has what would be considered ‘notable credentials’ outside of a moderator or dev coming in and posting relevant information? As such you’re using it as a soap box to attack my lack of credibility (which is the exact same as anyone else’s who has been posting in this thread).

I could go on to attack your lack of credibility in a similar fashion. Especially since you’ve taken it a step further to manipulate nearly every comment I’ve made. But that’s not the point of the discussion.

Many reasons not to trust me? Please list off all of them.

“That you managed to make sense of it is basically a form of adapting the facts to ones fiction, you simply made it fit to whatever you believed.
Why did you not refer to this english text that you claim matched it so well? Why did you dig up this screwed up translation from a German text if you have an English text available?”

You’re presenting one farfetched reason as to how I magically came to understand the text.

You know, an alternate and more convincing explanation would be that the german to english translator actually made a lot of sense and from that I was able to fully understand the meaning.

Why are you manipulating the discussion where did I ever say or even suggest that I had the english version of this when I made that post? Where did I say I was ever referring to the original translation at the time of that post?

Never. You’re making this up out of thin air.

After I had posted the german translation another user came across the literal english version that was posted by an english dev and shared it with the thread.

Surprisingly enough my first analysis of the german to english translation was spot on and I understood it completely and went so far as to present a proper mini analysis of its relevance to the discussion at hand.

“As a matter of fact, I found a thread with the question where a developer joins in the discussion on binding it to one key, or mouse-button and when he says: … I don’t even know if you could bind that with a programmable mouse., that sure doesn’t sound like he is very focussed on the UA aspects of it.”

Completely irrelevant. The dev doesn’t even know if it’s POSSIBLE to time-macro (when it obviously is which shows his lack of knowledge on the subject)
Furthermore you quote a terrain designer? Please show me EXACTLY where he suggests at all that you can either multi keybind or that you can safely keybind jumpdodge to one key.

“Ignorance? Really? Well, I have tested it (I know how to perform it reliably) and it does not take you further when dodging, it does not improve your dodges, so it does not give an advantage in combat. It gives a longer jump when in combat but jumping is irrelevant in combat. On the downside, you can not steer like you can with a regular jump.”

Absolutely ignorance if you don’t know of the in-combat advantages.

100% wrong again.

I’ll get to your next post when I get home. Looks like you were also 100% wrong of me not having anythnig to reply.

Also these are just samples, I’ll post full responses more in-depth when I get back.

“No, I am not the only one and I am giving reasons as to why I think it is not, while you are giving reasons as to why you think it is and we don’t agree. That is not uncommon for a discussion.”

Yes you are. We are talking about the specifics of this thread. Unless you’re putting words in my mouth or lying. Please quote the other people in this thread?

No? Oh yeah so you ASSUMED I meant outside of this thread too. Or you shoved those words in my mouth. Lack of specificity? You should have asked for clarification. As such you’re 100% wrong.

“Really? And you can show us that post? No, you can’t, so what value does your comment have.”
Show this post? What kind of ridiculous question is that? Do you really think I am screenshotting every single post just in case a mod deletes it and someone else goes “SHOW ME PROOF THIS POST EXISTED”

That’s absurd. If you don’t believe me and think that I would lie about something so petty then good for you. I don’t care that you don’t believe me but going so far as to randomly suggest I post proof of this post which was up for hours for other people to read as well is a bit ridiculous.

Regardless, you’re 100% wrong if you don’t think it happened.

“It is a bad translation. It is non-sensical english. Post the original with your own translation but not the gibberish produced by some translation program”

Bad translation? I completely 100% understood the meaning of the translated text and speak 0 German. Furthermore I went so far as to elaborate on the relevant parts of the quotation.

Grammatically incorrect? Sure. Nonsensical? 100% wrong. If it was nonsensical it wouldn’t have made sense. You’re absolutely wrong about that since I was able to understand and apply his translation EXACTLY as the english version explains to us.

“I never said it did violate any ToS, does your world revolve around violating a ToS?
Citing a piece from am article or post in a foreign language withing your english post does not violate any ToS. To claim quoting from a non-english post violates forum guidelines would not just be unreasonable, it would be silly.”

My point of discussion that I’ve chosen to involve myself in is the legitimacy of dodge-jump to be keybound to 1 key. As such that’s the focus of my discussion.

As for quoting a German translation I was mocking the vehement opposition you showed to my translation. Who cares if it’s translated? What rule have I broken? None. Your opposition to it is completely unfounded and that’s the point I was making.

Suggesting my world revolves around ToS is equally ridiculous, except unlike you I recognize you’re being facetious.

Again, you’re 100% wrong and at this point hypocritical.

“No, relevant information does not offend me, but I can understand German just fine and presenting me this horrible translation is what offends me. "

Who cares? What if I told you that it offends me that you’re don’t find computer generated translations legitimate? No one cares. That was my point all along, no one cares about your personal preferences and pet peeves so bringing them into a discussion is useless. The fact is I quoted LEGITIMATE information that made complete sense. Unless you’re suggesting I am psycic and magically understood EXACTLY what he meant.

“My rules? It’s not about rules but about interpretation and you present an unconvincing interpretation of the rules. Your case rests upon the assumption that the jump-dodge is two actions.”

What are you talking about? You took that quote COMPLETELY out of context and turned it into some screwed up piece of information to voice your random comments.

I was SPECIFICALLY talking about quoting the German lead. What right do you have to impose your sense of offense on me? I don’t care if you’re offended. It’s PERFECTLY good information. Was I about to spend hours looking for some english response on a very niche and specific issue? Absolutely not. Could I have? Sure. But why would I care to—and more relevently: why would I HAVE to? Because you want me to? Who cares what you WANT in a discussion? I posted FACTS by a LEAD DEV.

So again I ask you, why do I have to follow your made up rules of evidentiary procedure?

so you’re making the argument that it’s perfectly fine for people to do it, but you’re not actually going to say it?

You really sound like you believe what you’re preaching /sarcasm.

And yeah, apparently you don’t even know the benefits of dodge-jumping. Since—according to you—it has NO advantage what-so-ever why are you even bothering posting about this at all? Why do people care if they reliably can do it?

Maybe do some actual research on the subject before saying it’s useless.

I could take the time to shred everything you’ve just posted, but it really is a non-issue.

Bottom line is that you’re telling people it’s ok to violate ToS and I’d rather not have that misinformation spread. I do it 100% reliably without macros and could care less if everyone could do it w/ or w/o a macro. The only reason I bothered to post was to prevent the spread of this misinformation by the willfully ignorant when this issue and similar issues have been addressed.

tichorum.2415:

Wat is white stuf on screenshotz.

I think he actually took white out and slathered it on the screen and then took a picture of his computer screen.

I could be wrong.

tichorum.2415:

BLUna.7928:

Freeelancer.2860:

Would you guys share with us the total number of NA/EU team applications?

I’ve got to clean up the form as there were a lot of duplicate submissions, but as of right now with those duplicates in play these are the stats I have. Ill give full stats once Ive gotten some time to clean it up.

Total Signups: 411 (Probably closer to 380 once cleaned)
Total EU Signups: 241 (~59% of total)
Total NA Signups: 170 (~41% of total)

Also as a bit of an aside, EU RSVP Emails are being sent out first thing tomorrow morning.

Nearly 2000 (assuming 380 is the correct number) players signed up for this tournament for NA and EU combined. Better than ever before. This is great.

dat minipet hype

Just got the message and accepted via email.

frans.8092:

Lux.7169:

Allows me this program an automatic advantage? Can I thus so longer, faster, more precise will play when someone of this program is not used?

You should really not try to quote a machine-translated text, especially if the same material is covered in English.

It’s also really not about what is in the ToS, but if it applies to binding dodge-jump to a single key. So, the questions are
1) is it a single action or not
2) does it give an advantage (over someone not using the program)

@1) we’ve been discussing this, well to be precise, you haven’t, but other people have.
@2) does it actually give an advantage, in combat, against a player? I don’t see it, you don’t dodge any further or longer and using endurance for jumping around while not being able to steer seems more of a waste then a boon.

except you’re the only one who is suggesting it’s not a violation of the ToS.

Oh, except one person who literally said it was not a violation of tos and his post was deleted (and he was likely infracted for it).

What’s wrong with quoting an english translation of what the german lead said? I even quoted the direct link to his post. Where does that violate any ToS (where actually if you were familiar with ToS posting in any other language besides english is an infraction). Does it offend you that I posted the first relevant, direct information from the german lead? Have I violated your sense of evidentiary procedure? Where are these made up rules that you follow?

Bottom line is that you’re the only person who has not had their post deleted who even remotely interprets the ToS in that way.

So, for the third time, my very basic and simple question to you (which you have avoided answering directly):

Are you telling people it’s ok to key bind dodge-jumping to 1 key?

Oh and as for your ignorance about the mechanics, it does give an in-combat advantage and the dodge-jump in combat takes you noticeably further. This has been covered in dozens of guides and is pretty much wide-spread common knowledge.

Emi.4152:

so its fine as long as we press 2 buttons to do it right…? it would a be shame if i had to stop bouncing my characters around!

Perfectly fine to do it by pressing 2 buttons. It’s even encouraged by developers to do it.

As for 1-1 skill keybinding
dodge=1 skill
jump=1 skill

dodge-jump is a synergistic technique that can be used when both techniques are used within a very small window of time.

This does not make it an exclusive technique, but more so a promoted phenomenon of these 2 skills.

If the game supported the keybinding of this specific technique (dodge jumping), then you’d be able to keybind it in the game. Instead you literally have to download a third-party program and macro 2 skills to 1 key for a 1-2 keybind which is a literal and direct violation of the ToS.

To quote Ramon Donke, German Community Manager who specifically lays out the general criteria used when assessing case-by-case if something of this nature violates the ToS (This is a german to english translation since this was posted on the official German forums):

“You should always ask yourself the following three questions, if you want to affect your gameplay in Guild Wars 2 with third party programs:

Allows me this program an automatic advantage? Can I thus so longer, faster, more precise will play when someone of this program is not used?

Allows me this program to play the game for me, even if I do not sit at the computer?

Allows me the program access to illegally obtained rewards, or access to – under normal circumstances – inaccessible places?"

The bolded part is the relevant section.

Does binding dodge and jump to 1 key give you an edge over players who have to click both? Does it let you perform the skill more reliably? More precisely? Well since by binding the key you will perform it correctly 100% of the time, meaning everyone else who doesn’t use it must also perform it correctly 100% of the time for it to not give you an edge over other players who do not 1-X keybind via 3rd party programs.

https://forum-de.gw2archive.eu/forum/support/account/Account-zu-unrecht-gebannt-od-Probleme-mit-Razor-Naga-Maus-1

Quakeman.9378:

Lux.7169:

frans.8092:

Lux.7169:

frans.8092:

Lux.7169:

Technically mapping them to the same key violates ToS.

Technically the jump-dodge is one action (it has it’s own animation), binding one action to one key is ok.

Regardless it’s super easy to do since v+space bar can be clicked in the same motion in one stroke.

I prefer C for dodge, I have small hands and it’s easier to press C+space with the thumb while simultaneously walking or strafing.

It fails sometimes but I think that is more to due to me not pressing the keys perfectly.

Technically it’s 2, since you literally start the roll frame a fraction of a second before jumping and just because you created what appears to be one action, doesn’t mean it wasn’t both a dodge and a jump (2 separate actions occurring virtually simultaneously).

Violates ToS.

Technically it is one action, it has a unique (set of) animations and specific properties, such as always jumping the the same distance in and out of combat. It is no accidental or glitched merging of two actions, it was specifically programmed to do what it does. It is one action.
It’s not about your actions, but in-game actions, double tapping to dodge doesn’t make it two actions, or just jumping sideways.

The action is ‘promoted’ as a pro-tip in the Super Adventure Box QA
Under Pro Tips it reads:
“Dodge Jump” for a little extra height and length by hitting evade (V) right after Jump (Space Bar). Practice rolling your thumb from the Space Bar to the V key in one smooth movement.

I wouldn’t know which one to press first, I just press C and space simultaneously with my thumb, I don’t know which one makes contact first. It doesn’t do much in combat, just feels more acrobatic then a regular jump.

The fact that anet has even commented on it being a combination of keys and movements to accomplish this is evidence of it.

How about this, we compile a list of players admitting to doing it and we’ll send it to anet and see what happens =)

Can I add you to the list? At any point have you ever keybound it to one single key?

This is literally a direct violation of ToS. So regardless of whether or not you personally do it, are you telling people it’s ok to do this?

Wait up. After doing some research I found the following on a forum elsewhere:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/support/account/hi-end-keyboard-ban/first#post673121
“We do not terminate accounts based on the use of hardware, unless that also involves third-party programs that give an advantage to a player. A single one-to-one bind is fine. Binding 11 different skills to one press of a key isn’t so fine.”
Based on this response from actual Anet support, I believe it is more than safe enough to say that binding dodge roll to a single key is fine and will not result in a ban.

What part of that is confusing?

They literally say binding more than ‘one-to-one’ is not fine.

It’s been explained many times by devs that macros of this nature are a violation of ToS.

frans.8092:

Lux.7169:

frans.8092:

Lux.7169:

Technically mapping them to the same key violates ToS.

Technically the jump-dodge is one action (it has it’s own animation), binding one action to one key is ok.

Regardless it’s super easy to do since v+space bar can be clicked in the same motion in one stroke.

I prefer C for dodge, I have small hands and it’s easier to press C+space with the thumb while simultaneously walking or strafing.

It fails sometimes but I think that is more to due to me not pressing the keys perfectly.

Technically it’s 2, since you literally start the roll frame a fraction of a second before jumping and just because you created what appears to be one action, doesn’t mean it wasn’t both a dodge and a jump (2 separate actions occurring virtually simultaneously).

Violates ToS.

Technically it is one action, it has a unique (set of) animations and specific properties, such as always jumping the the same distance in and out of combat. It is no accidental or glitched merging of two actions, it was specifically programmed to do what it does. It is one action.
It’s not about your actions, but in-game actions, double tapping to dodge doesn’t make it two actions, or just jumping sideways.

The action is ‘promoted’ as a pro-tip in the Super Adventure Box QA
Under Pro Tips it reads:
“Dodge Jump” for a little extra height and length by hitting evade (V) right after Jump (Space Bar). Practice rolling your thumb from the Space Bar to the V key in one smooth movement.

I wouldn’t know which one to press first, I just press C and space simultaneously with my thumb, I don’t know which one makes contact first. It doesn’t do much in combat, just feels more acrobatic then a regular jump.

The fact that anet has even commented on it being a combination of keys and movements to accomplish this is evidence of it.

How about this, we compile a list of players admitting to doing it and we’ll send it to anet and see what happens =)

Can I add you to the list? At any point have you ever keybound it to one single key?

This is literally a direct violation of ToS. So regardless of whether or not you personally do it, are you telling people it’s ok to do this?

frans.8092:

Lux.7169:

Technically mapping them to the same key violates ToS.

Technically the jump-dodge is one action (it has it’s own animation), binding one action to one key is ok.

Regardless it’s super easy to do since v+space bar can be clicked in the same motion in one stroke.

I prefer C for dodge, I have small hands and it’s easier to press C+space with the thumb while simultaneously walking or strafing.

It fails sometimes but I think that is more to due to me not pressing the keys perfectly.

Technically it’s 2, since you literally start the roll frame a fraction of a second before jumping and just because you created what appears to be one action, doesn’t mean it wasn’t both a dodge and a jump (2 separate actions occurring virtually simultaneously).

Violates ToS.

Technically mapping them to the same key violates ToS. Regardless it’s super easy to do since v+space bar can be clicked in the same motion in one stroke.

Back to the OP it has never lagged outside of my net or failed to work properly for me.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/events

and that was mostly yolo Q’ing into tQ since they didn’t have solo Q at the time (not sure if they’ve gotten it in the past couple weeks).

yeah… not expecting much from china based on my games there…

hope this has to do with sab v3

really hope SAB 3 comes out o: stop getting my hopes up.

You’re not taking into account the law of variable change.

Using your example 410-330

If during that time both teams land 4 kills each (20 points) then—assuming constants—even if blue held a 2-cap the full duration they would still lose.

So sure basic math can give us a perspective mid-match, but variable change makes calculating these in a realistic fashion much more difficult mid-match.

Can netcom play with Telecom district 2?

Auesis.7301:

Lux.7169:

OIIIIIO.7825:

Arganthium.5638:

Apparently, 2 0 0 6 6 sucked up until a month or two ago as well, and now everybody thinks it’s amazing in spite of the fact that very little changed about the build itself (outside of Runes of Strength)…

I would like to add there are other changes that affected the rise of this build that you may not have considered.

One of which is the nerf to Critical Damage.

Pretty sure everyone here is talking about PvP and not wvw…
Meaning crit damage wasn’t affected.

Critical Strikes gives 300 Ferocity instead of 30% Critical Damage, even in PvP. In total it lost 10% Critical Damage.

except in pvp the damage is literally exactly the same post patch as pre-patch…

OIIIIIO.7825:

Arganthium.5638:

Apparently, 2 0 0 6 6 sucked up until a month or two ago as well, and now everybody thinks it’s amazing in spite of the fact that very little changed about the build itself (outside of Runes of Strength)…

I would like to add there are other changes that affected the rise of this build that you may not have considered.

One of which is the nerf to Critical Damage.

Pretty sure everyone here is talking about PvP and not wvw…
Meaning crit damage wasn’t affected.

Chicago Jack.5647:

Shockwave.1230:

[…]which at the time was a seemingly odd one to make as a thief[…]

Lux.7169:

Pretty funny how paradigms shift.

It wasn’t odd, and it wasn’t a dramatic change in S/D. Strength runes got buffed, so this build became viable – it’s as simple as that. Beforehand, it lacked damage. Now it is an effective way to deal with builds that rely on strength runes by stealing strength, and also is supplemented with strength runes from the thief him/herself.

My comment was less about this build in particular, but more of a general statement on trends in the thief community (which also includes S/D).

More specifically things like S/P which I used to wonder what made people stop playing it and top tier players said “retal in team fights just destroys it and in 1v1 there are better builds so no one uses it competitively.”

Nothing about the skill changed and it eventually made a drastic re-appearance as meta, replacing the then-popular S/D from when Jumper made S/D popular.

That being said I still regarded S/D as superior based on performances like Jumper in the past and the minimal nerfs S/D received. Now we’re seeing S/D make a comeback and S/P is almost extinct. Paradigms shifting with little influence from patches. I could go into more detail like how no one thought 8s of Berserkers stance was worth bringing for months, and then over night people decided it was amazing and it grew to solidify warriors foundation in the meta to this day (even after shaves).

I’ve been talking about this for months on the thief podcast we host weekly.

Realist.5812:

Spectator betting?

How does the pay out work? Does the bookie pay out of his own pocket if there are no losing bets / not enough losing bets to take from? Or does he just say “LOL SORRY, there’s no winnings to give you.”

Spectator betting is also open to easy match fixing, especially between friends.
“I put a 10 gold bet on the other guy, take a dive.”

If there were no counter bets all gold would be refunded prior to the match starting.

As for ‘rigging matches’ it would be pretty obvious and outside of impromptu bets on matches (betting on random matches people are doing in the arena) we will be hosting invitational exhibition matches to top-tier players who want to attend and any sign that they’re legitimately sandbagging or throwing a match = permanent disqualification.

If its obvious that they’re throwing it then all players would be refunded.

No commission charge and we also have a betting service for players who want to bet on duels.

I’ve been hosting one for weeks no comish, haha.

Conski Deshan.2057:

PSX.9250:

This game needs more item tiers to be more competitive with the current market.

NO, adding additional item tiers invalidates existing progress and is just pointless busy work it is one thing I don’t miss from traditional MMO’s.

Zaxares.5419:

Yeah. NONE of ANet’s testers ever managed to beat Liadri in her original incarnation. With her new graphical changes, I’ll be generous and say that 5% of players have managed to beat her in-game, including some who did it using the lifesteal method (and probable exploit). The majority of players still do not have the gear or skill to compete.

5% is a very high amount of people for what is currently meant to be the games toughest solo challenge. The exploit is also doing significant damage to its perceived challenge.

I’d hope for below 1% figures for some harder challenge content (before anyone freaks bare in mind that if the game has 1 million players 1% is still 10000 people which is a significant amount.

Lux.7169:

Honestly they should just put legendaries and any ‘prestige’ in the gemshop for $20 or less so pve players can visualize how screwed over pvp’ers were with the recent rank/pvp changes.

Two wrongs don’t make a right, I understand the anger over the Pvp changes but there is no need to direct that anger at Pve. (Legendaries are already purchasable through the gemstore anyway)

Except not a single PvE player sided with the PvE players and tons of PvE and wvw players stormed our threads saying that we had to put our false prestige aside and let them do this for the betterment of the game.

So yeah, let Anet sell EVERYTHING for the betterment of the game. Mo money mo updates…. lol….

If course you can buy legendaries with a CC but they literally took a rank that required at least 8,000 hours of PvP and reduced it to 260 hours (and that’s from casual play with 50% winrate).

So yeah, let’s do that with legendaries too.

Honestly they should just put legendaries and any ‘prestige’ in the gemshop for $20 or less so pve players can visualize how screwed over pvp’ers were with the recent rank/pvp changes.

I remember you advocating this build a ton last year and you were taking a lot of heat from a lot of players—like Jumper who said the build was really lacking.

Pretty funny how paradigms shift.

As for ownership, I know you’re not claiming to be the first to click 10-0-0-30-30, and it’s ridiculous for people to say you’re suggesting that. I agree with what you’re -actually- saying—that you were the prime and sole advocate for the virtues of this build when no one else considered it viable in competitive play.

As for viability, I never tried it, and I don’t know how viable it is/would have been without the strength runes—regardless you were the only person backing the build until sizer made it popular.