Guild Wars 2

We can still make deductions based on info we have seen and experienced. For example, Lowell posted that his group of players only played together when leaderboards were released and one of their members actually passed another player on the leaderboard, which seems silly unless you assume that a player with lesser rating (because both players were not of the same rating) gains more rating than someone of higher rating.

Of course it’s just speculation, but it’s better than nothing.

…someone in my guild has 117 losses and 0 wins… how is this even possible?

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mongolianmisfit.8350:

I still don’t quite understand the leaderboards and the percentile.

If someone has more games and a better percentage “win/loss ratio” than others on the leaderboard, than what other statistics aren’t you showing us that would allow us to grasp why said person isn’t on leaderboards. There are obviously other variables that allow this calculation for all of this to make sense.

I went from 85% this morning….to 80% and have no idea why when my win/loss ratio was higher. So I’m guessing that means more people were playing that surpassed me? But like I said, what other variables are there so people can actually understand the differentials.

It’s about who you beat and who you lose to. If all you do is play during 3am-8am farming random pugs with your pre-made of course you’re going to have a very high win percentage but it also means you’re not playing the other top teams because none of them have daily schedules of playing during that time. Thus your win % might be 90+ but that doesn’t make you top of the leaderboard. Compare that to a team that plays every night during prime hours facing the best players on the server and winning many, but not necessarily all, matches. Just because they lose occasionally to other high-ranked players doesn’t mean they should be ranked below a team that face-rolls other people during off-hours.

Want a different example. Let’s say someone lost over 2,000 matches because they never used their keyboard and had only a couple wins. Their win % would be less than 1%. So then one day he learned you can use your keyboard to play and is now phenomenal. He plays 100 matches and wins all 100 and eventually is only playing the top players in the game. He’s undefeated at 200 wins just from beating the top players. If the system was based around win% then this player who is CONSTANTLY beating the BEST teams in the game is rated as the lowest 5% of players because even with his 200 consecutive wins against the BEST players in the game he’s still only got a win % of 10.

The current system up is a very good one for measuring team performance—not so much solo queuers.

Yes 90% is very high but not quite leader-board. I believe leaderboards is anything above 90% because I haven’t heard of anyone get above 90% but I have heard of some at 90% hit leaderboards after 1 win.

wookie.8934:

Lux.7169:

wookie.8934:

And somehow I have 90% by sitting around in hotjoins and dueling with friends and randoms most of the time. Weird how that works.

So you’ve never tourneyed enough to be considered for the ladder? That’s not too surprising even if that’s the case since players who haven’t tourneyed still have a neutral rating like guilds did in gvg even if they never did any guild battles.

The bottom of the top 1,000 seems to have almost a 50/50 win ratio on average, so below that is probably the norm for players not in the top 1,000. Thus if you have never, or rarely, tourney, it’s not surprising that the neutral rating would be above the majority of players.

Yeah I hardly do tourneys at all. I tend to stick to dueling (since I don’t really have a team to roll with in tPvP). Seems weird that neutral players would be above those who do tourneys more often. Don’t they take into account the number of matches played?

Supposedly the more matches you play the less you fluctuate. I hardly find that to be the case at all, though, since 1 loss can literally tank me 500 places. I realize that # of matches played isn’t a safeguard to tanking your rating but I would think that after having done 700+ tourneys 1 loss (even against complete noobs) shouldn’t lose me 500 ranks considering anything can happen in a given match, especially flukes like someone dc’ing at the beginning of a match.

I just don’t appreciate how temperamental the current system is, other than that I think it’s a solid indicator of team performance. Unfortunately it’s set up like a random arenas that you can enter with a team. Creates a highly biased system towards teams when a lot of solo queuer’s would rather the stable environment it provides as opposed to the fickleness of hotjoins.

wookie.8934:

And somehow I have 90% by sitting around in hotjoins and dueling with friends and randoms most of the time. Weird how that works.

So you’ve never tourneyed enough to be considered for the ladder? That’s not too surprising even if that’s the case since players who haven’t tourneyed still have a neutral rating like guilds did in gvg even if they never did any guild battles.

The bottom of the top 1,000 seems to have almost a 50/50 win ratio on average, so below that is probably the norm for players not in the top 1,000. Thus if you have never, or rarely, tourney, it’s not surprising that the neutral rating would be above the majority of players.

Valkyriez.6578:

Isn’t 5% considered the top 5% or am I reading it wrong? Another person posted he was at 85% and outside of the top 1000.

Its from bottom to top, so that’s bottom 5%

For example, in achievements I’m about 100 below the leaderboard and it put’s me at 90% there since I’m not on leaderboard but am about 100 away. I don’t think that means 90% of people are ahead of me in the game with achievements.

JoopFOX.9510:

Plus obviously for every team there’s 5 players consistently getting higher ratings than you. So it’s near impossible to get anywhere high on the leaderboards without a team. Does anyone know if there’s some highly ranked players who only solo queue?

I float between 100-900 just solo queueing. I know of a few other players like myself who just solo queue because it’s more convenient. As for top 100? I think it’s extraordinarily rare. I know ostrich goes solo sometimes but he also has a team sometimes.

Glory amount aside I would love to see them implement things like this for glory. Many of us have hundreds of thousands of glory stored up and nothing we care to spend it on.

It really just sounds like your team just couldn’t hold your own. From what you described you were fighting a mix of power longbow rangers and trap rangers or some bad hybrid in between. Regardless, rangers (trap or otherwise) should not be a problem. If you guys were getting destroyed then they just outplayed you and I honestly think it had nothing to do with rangers being overpowered. I wasn’t there so I don’t know what happened but if you were doing your part then you just got unlucky with your team because rangers have terrible mobility unless they spec to be a bit quicker with traits, utilities or weapons, and if they do that then they’re running a subpar bar or trait spec given the meta. If they were rocking you in the team fight then spread them. Pressure there point, collapse on yours. They have terrible mobility and would lose to any mesmer who knows their combos 1v1. You probably should have brought portal and tormented them from home and mid.

My two bits of advice would be to either form or join a team. If you see a good player add them to your friends list and always invite them to tourney with you.

Second, top score means extraordinarily little and is no indication of who is winning or who has helped their team win more. A bunker who scores 10 by capping his point and fending off numerous assaults on his point is more valuable than some roamer who scored hundreds of points by winning off-node skirmishes.

If you want to win more play a role you know is serving the team extremely well. Otherwise just don’t take leaderboards seriously, because they’re team leaderboards that solo players happen to get on to.

BossFi.6917:

Lux.7169

Ok let’s look at several scenarios with your theory:

1) The ‘leaver’ has left before the match even started, so he left during the 2 minute pre-window. In this instance he left for reasons other than “we’re losing (bad) so I’m out”. Not only did he leave, but he closed the game. Barring him from pvping for 30 mins accomplishes nothing.

Players leaving before the match has started is not an issue so why mention it?? From my experience, a player has always filled the last spot in the 10 second countdown before the gate opens.

2) Someone leaves mid-match because their team is losing. They literally have to close the game to ‘exit’ or leave the match. The chances you’ll see them back in a tourney after the match or before this 30 min timer is lifted is unlikely so it realistically accomplishes nothing.

You must have a mega slow computer! It take me 60 seconds to load back into HOTM from the desktop. So 30 mins of not being able to queue for a new tourny WILL have an effect. Make it 60 mins then, I dont care, i dont quit!

Lux.7169

~ Now I have to make assumptions about your rules: if someone’s net goes out temporarily and they come back to help finish does this count as a 30-min bar from pvp? No? Then what if someone rage-leaves and opens the game back up before the match finishes? Does that mean they’ll be exempt from the 30-min bar?

Yes! If someone disconnects because of there net then thats just unlucky. 30 mins aint gonna make any difference to him unless hes disconnecting every hour, in that case I wouldn’t even bother playing online games till my internet was fixed.

You must not pvp much, or even seriously considering you’re not on the leaderboards and my gf got on there from 5 matches. I say this because no, you dont’ get a replacement once the 2-min pre-window goes up and anyone who tourneys would know this. What you are seeing is someone who has not clicked ‘enter match’ during the 2 minute pre-window and this new replacement you’re seeing is just the game forcing someone into a match that they’re in queue for. It never randomly sticks another player into the team if someone drops before the 2 min-prewindow is up.

Your solution sounds awful especially with the fact that you’re fine with punishing innocent players who genuinely dc’d and want to come back and help finish the fight. Coupled with your lack of pvp experience and activity I hope no one in these forums takes that suggestion seriously.

It’s a loaded question that can go several ways… Is the person inexperienced but competent? If so that could make them a more viable choice than someone who just solo queue’s and plays stupid.

Is the person solo queue’ing because they don’t always feel like making a team but is still pretty decent on an individual level? That could make them far superior to an inexperienced player.

Personally I crew with both. I prefer players who have a certain level of pvp competency but detest players who have picked up and are blindly attached to their bad habits in pvp. Sometimes -teaching- a new guildie how to pvp properly is superior to working with a bad pvp player who sticks to his bad habits.

At the end of the day it doesn’t matter between those 2 options, it mostly depends on my mood and how much I want to micro another player.

I like the combat and the mechanics of the game but I feel that almost a year of the same pvp with very few maps and very few distinctions between the maps leads to a stale pvp.

I still love pvp, but we’re at the point where X, Y and Z builds are optimal while if you are trying to use A, B or C then you are at a severe disadvantage build-wise.

Balance issues were pivotal in the narrowing of viable builds and perhaps we will see this change now that they have officially stated that they want to further balance pvp skills from pve ones.

While I understand that they want to focus on the conquest version of pvp I feel that it also pigeon-holes viable builds. They wanted to avoid the holy trinity by getting rid of monks but they just created a new one: Bunker, Roamer, Support. All top teams are using those exact roles and any team without one isn’t in the top 50.

I would absolutely LOVE for them to implement flux back into the game. I think it’s a great way to combat stale pvp. When they introduced it into gw1 it was very well received and got a ton of positive feedback from the pvp community.

I mean I can understand some drawbacks to fluxes, particularly if it made one facet of builds particularly overpowered but that’s a balance issue and can easily be avoided if the balance team is on the ball.

I only wish that they had implemented flux into gw1 much sooner than they did—it seemed as if they just got tired of balancing skills so they added flux to influence the meta. I would rather they implement it sooner than later in this game—it really spices up the meta and adds another layer of strategy to the game. It also pushes players out of their niche comfort zones which I think is healthy for the pvp community as a whole.

**edit: when I said I would love for them to add it back into the game, I just meant I’d love to see it actually implemented in this one like it was in gw1.

BossFi.6917:

TBH I dont care about the leavers stats. I am more concerned how this ‘leaver’ has now affected everyone elses fun and giving everyone a nearly guaranteed loss.

Only solution is lock out the leaver from joining another match for 30 mins.
If the leaver does it 5 times in 1 day then he should be locked out for 24hours.
The players left with only 4 on their team shouldnt count as a loss if they lose.

Ok let’s look at several scenarios with your theory:

1) The ‘leaver’ has left before the match even started, so he left during the 2 minute pre-window. In this instance he left for reasons other than “we’re losing (bad) so I’m out”. Not only did he leave, but he closed the game. Barring him from pvping for 30 mins accomplishes nothing.

2) Someone leaves mid-match because their team is losing. They literally have to close the game to ‘exit’ or leave the match. The chances you’ll see them back in a tourney after the match or before this 30 min timer is lifted is unlikely so it realistically accomplishes nothing.

~ Now I have to make assumptions about your rules: if someone’s net goes out temporarily and they come back to help finish does this count as a 30-min bar from pvp? No? Then what if someone rage-leaves and opens the game back up before the match finishes? Does that mean they’ll be exempt from the 30-min bar?

As for leaving 5 times for the 24 hour bar I don’t think anyone who takes the time to tpvp that often would leave 5 matches in a day and still care to both pvping.

I don’t see this as a logical solution to the problem. You’re addressing the symptoms and not the illness.

…most people who take pvp seriously rarely do hotjoins?

We’re all doing tourneys unless we feel like pubstomping.

<Team looking for a player(es)>
Team name: None yet (the 3 of us are in a mega-guild we made at beta)
Region: North America
Amount of members: (3 current members—we’re looking for 3-4 more)
Practice Times: 6pm-2am EST
Class(es) you are looking for: Mesmer, Ele, Guard
Other (Anything else that you would like to add): We’re a group of pvp’ers (all on ladder from just duo/trio queue’ing looking for more players (preferably on ladder) to play as a group. We play to win but accept losses as they come. We don’t want to play with people who rage or blame the team or get mad mid-match. We pvp because we enjoy it but we also play to win. We are always looking to improve but we won’t play with ragers or people who don’t make pvp fun. We will also help you improve if you’re not up to our level. I float between rank100-500 while the other 2 are in the top 500.

We don’t always use VC but when we get a 5-man team going we probably will use it every match. Mic is not essential as long as you can listen. We use Vent or Skype.

While we will try out players who are not on the leaderboards yet, we’re expecting players with competency in pvp and particularly players who listen to tactics and are willing to try the strong flavor-of-the-month builds.

Whisper us anytime in-game or PM me here on the forums

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People are assuming that the free transfers to medium servers is responsible for the huge wait times. There’s no practical incentive for guilds to transfer so it really only appeals to individual players.

The huge wait times likely have to do with more people actually participating in WvW due to the implementation of “rank” and the upcoming release of leaderboards.

Of course that’s also just an assumption, but in my opinion it’s far more likely than blaming “free server transfers”.

Adaneshade.2409:

The issue is there is no way 4 players and a dead weight will win out against a full 5 player team….. barring some crazy lucky event.

You must not pvp much

Dsquaredcri.9421:

Why no map changed yet?

Hush! I love forest

Laurels are account bound. I’m excited for this change too since I absolutely hate the revamped daily system. I’d rather not have to travel all over the map doing random things—give me pvp where I can knock it out in 3 matches.

No evidence? Well devs have confirmed it on several occasions. Based on my hundreds of tournaments I believe it is in place.

That seems like a ridiculous excuse to leave seeing as how there is 0 incentive to have a good rating. It determines who you get matched against and if you’re already ‘losing’ then why ragequit to save your rating so you continue to play high rated teams?

Seeing as how they refuse to reveal the details of the rating system and whether or not leaving actually counts as a loss of rating I’m sure those people are just guessing that they won’t be losing rating.

I play with Karu every day and we talk on Skype/Vent. There is no way he is botting. He literally told me on skype the second he got banned for botting that he was banned—if he really is botting then he must sit at his computer watching it do the work as he types in-game and talks on Skype =\

I feel like more research into the account needs to be done before profiling someone as a bot. Karu is the kindest player ever and to see him banned without a thorough investigation is a shame. I hope he gets his account back soon—he is a dear friend to the guild and to the gw2 community.

I WvW on SF and when I read this I lol’d because of what that [WZ] commander just said. All I know is I always see a strong showing from [WZ]. Keep up the good fights.
As for the treaty, bring it. If you two didn’t essentially fall off the face of WvW after reset there’d be a strong fight like our first week in t8.

Video of the Sailor Scouts battling FC and ET today http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyo5H0FE5LA&feature=youtu.be

What are people talking about? People sell guild invites to trim guilds in gw1, people sold their NAMES in gw1, people sold fame by taking people on fame runs in gw1. All of this was for in-game gold and I never heard of any of them getting in trouble for it.

IMO as long as it’s in-game gold for in-game features then go for it.