Guild Wars 2

Justin ODell.9517:

Try to look at it from the eyes of a beginner guys.

The NPCs award points, and give you a buff. Who wouldn’t want that?

It takes a higher level of understanding of the both the map and conquest mechanics to get that securing mid is important.

How would you guys suggest we go about teaching this to players?

Don’t hide MMR’s so the people with bad MMR’s have less room to argue with the higher MMR players =\

…I’m being serious

You’ll learn a lot by playing but I’d also recommend you watch people like cmc stream d/d ele on twitch.

A combination of trial and error + observing how the top elementalists who stream often will pick your game up quickly.

Justin ODell.9517:

Saiyan.1704:

First game of the day, full pugs vs a 3+2 team (I lost)

I hate to admit it, but it was actually 5 vs 1+1+1+1+1 and 4+1 vs 1+1+1+1+1.

Saiyan.1704:

Lets just pretend they were waiting super long queue times = poor match making…

This was likely caused by low availability during off-peak hours. Longer queue times would probably have helped, not so much for the solos but for the pre-mades. I wonder if slowing down the fail-safes for larger parties would help.

There were literally no other premades near our MMR Q’ing at the time, so lengthening our wait-time just prolongs the inevitable.

I’d almost encourage you to go the alternate direction because one night it was SO bad that we waited 15 minutes about 4-5 times in a row, just to get the same team over and over and over again. There match would pop when one of us went afk, then we literally waited 15 minutes just for their match to end to finally get a qpop.

If you take into account the time it takes to find a few people to play with, have people hop on ts and then start playing a game without anyone having to take a break, that means they literally have to commit at least 30 minutes to a single game. 5 different people.

So the problem won’t be solved with longer Q times for pre-mades, there just needs to be two different arenas or higher incentives for people to actually play pvp, because right now the rewards are pretty terrible compared to other aspects of the game.

For example, let’s take it to the extreme. If you gave 100g per win then pvp would probably have 10,000 active Q’ers during the lowest active hours of the game. Of course it would cause chaos for the economy but that’s irrelevant to the example. As it stands right now pvp’ers are getting pretty abysmal rewards that bots could earn farming Queensdale, and there’s no incentive to beat better teams or improve. It’s only rewarding players for Q’ing often. There needs to be better incentive to Q often and perform well instead of just spamming games.

Higher rewards for higher MMR’s, basically. Right now players are PUNISHED for having a high MMR. Who do you think Q’s against the top teams more often with just a rag-tag group of players? It’s not random pugs so much as it is active players with the next-closest MMR’s who realistically have no chance, despite the flawed MMR predictions. Just because my MMR is 1% away from theirs doesn’t mean I have a 50-50 chance of beating them… To be fair, MMR’s should have been reset with this test season, and should definitely be reset for the new season. All it stands to do is punish active pvp’ers and reward players who have low MMR’s since it is easier for them to get +1-2’s for losing.

So long story short, when classes start on Monday I won’t be able to Q if I get 15 minute Q’s for a 10 minute game after spending 10-30 minutes asking people to pvp and waiting another 10 minutes for someone to finish their game because the ranked games are flawed and don’t cancel when you click cancel and then hope after all that time not a single person of the 5 people is afk to miss the accept button and then have to wait in Q again, just to compensate for you guys taking out Solo Q since I just can’t hop on and do a casual Solo Q due to the nature of the match-making. I’d ask if you knew how many times I’ve duo and Solo Q’d into the abjured or radioactive, but I’m sure you could look it up x:

/end tl;dr

I get carried by thieve’s guild

be happy you all are only getting -1 for a dc…

The worst part is when it’s a mass dc for every player involved (happened on 2 occassions) and even though I won both I still got a -3 for both.

#positioning
15chars

inb4 all games played while broken don’t count

Amazing prizes for a ladder system that is more reflective of skill as opposed to grinding.

Well anet had a ‘new build’ which kicked everyone out mid-match. I took -3 ladder point loss even though we all rejoined and my team won 500-50.

-_- it takes me an hour to recover a -3…

1. Do you have an engineer with turrets?

2. 1g per win.

I’m just messing haha glgl

turret engi is fine

just nerf jazz, problem fixed.

China doesn’t have leaderboards unless they changed something recently.

They’ve been updating recently. Perhaps you guys did unranked?

Eyia Hellhide.7320:

Lux.7169:

This bug isn’t uncommon, especially the longer you play.

kitten . And I thought I was special…

You have the Bifrost, of course you’re special

Out of curiosity is there anything to deter the constant re-matching vs the same opponents?

I realize there is a lot to discuss to improve the system, but as a test subject during this ‘test season’ I figured I’d share my input and what has been bothering me most.

There are many times where I have faced the same team 4+ games in a row. Sometimes we’re on the winning side and sometimes we’re not, but the games rarely ever go back and forth. For example, one night I lost to the exact same team 8 games in a row (I know Justin will check my math and I’ll admit right now that I wasn’t counting, but it was at LEAST 5 and felt like more). That was not fun. Sure you could tell me to Q-dodge them but 1) why should players have to try and weasel around the system when the system should encourage a diversity of games; and 2) there was another team that was Q-dodging them which was equally as hard to beat.

I tend to play with anyone who invites me, so sure you can try and blame me for being bad or w/e but I don’t take it to heart since I play for fun and with anyone who shows a genuine interest in the game and is pleasant.

That being said, it’s also not fun when I have a pre-made that stomps the same players over and over again for hours. Things like that lead to them coming and posting on the forums calling the MM bs.

Perhaps there could be a way to address this issue if others feel it is also a problem.

As an aside, the LB is not reflective of skill, but I guess getting PM’s for being #1 is inevitable (I just -REALLY- want glorious armor for my main account), but people keep asking for tips and in the past I’ve wrote semi-lengthy, helpful, responses for solo Q mentality since I do both teams and yolo Q. If you’re looking for my input then I would refer you to these topics and the posts therein—not just my posts:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/pvp/Noob-if-you-do-Noob-if-you-don-t/first#post4262607

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/pvp/How-do-I-carry-in-solo-queue/page/2#post4346822

This bug isn’t uncommon, especially the longer you play. It typically won’t go away unless you log out and log back in.

I experienced something different and do not know if it was an anomaly, but all of my team-mates saw it too:

We had someone rage quit our team in the first minute of the match and lost by a lot. We expected to go down on ladder points, but after the update (we also won 2 during that hour) it did not register the loss for us and only showed the 2 wins and we got 2 ladder points up. Justin mentioned that if you leave mid-match you’ll fall 3 ladder points and get dishonor but it won’t count against your w/l. That being said, maybe it doesn’t reduce ladder points and w/l for the whole team.

I’m not keen on testing this… but I thought I’d share that experience.

yummcha.9456:

Formula for success in current leaderboards: “Amount of time played in MMR sweet spot”. The MMR sweet spot, where you get the fastest queue pops and gain a net amount of points, even though you went 50:50 W/L.

Exhibit A:

1) Lose 3 games, but still gained 1 point? (lol??? close games maybe?). Your MMR is now below what your true MMR is.
2) Crush noobs; gain points. MMR rises back to normal.
3) Rinse and repeat.

As always, Anet is hipster and has to do things their own way. A leaderboard that isn’t ordered on the basis of MMR is obviously not one that’s entirely based on skill.

All 3 of those were to the same team, whose pvp record was about 41-1 at the time. On that note we had lost 3 more games to them the hour before that and didn’t go up and we didn’t fall since we fell within the ‘reasonable threshold’. The +1 we gained from that was probably our match that ended 470-480 where the timer ended the match.

Plus we had 1-2 players who had not played in months with probably significantly lower MMR so as to tip the scale to get us a point even if we scored almost enough for a victory but still lost.

There’s a lot of flaws in the system, and particularly having to fight the same team 6 times in a row (actually 8 since we played and lost to them 2 more times after that). So I am not complaining that I got +1 from 3 hours of playing… and anyone who tries that hard deserves even that little of compensation for time investment. That being said, I completely disagree with how the current LB is set up, and that they’re doing rewards.

For example, when I was at 56 wins, 12 losses, Cover girl was ahead of me by 5-10 points with ~36 wins and ~25 losses… Why do I have to win nearly TWICE as many games, and have to win significantly more of them to just try to catch up to that? It seems stacked against people who have strong MMR’s coming into the ladder.

ty for that info, Ventusthunder!

Keira Ferland.5619:

Lux.7169:

Out of curiosity have the prizes been distributed yet? Particularly the glorious heroes armor. I am not home and won’t be home for 3-4 hours and so I have no way of knowing and am just curious.

Thanks to anyone who can help.

I got my armor, but no llama.

Sweet that’s exciting!

And as an aside, perhaps top 20 doesn’t get a llama period. I realize they said top 100 would get a llama, but the post could also be construed to mean that you either get one or the other.

Out of curiosity have the prizes been distributed yet? Particularly the glorious heroes armor. I am not home and won’t be home for 3-4 hours and so I have no way of knowing and am just curious.

Thanks to anyone who can help.

I believe part of the problem used to be that right clicking with the mouse (typically used to turn the screen mid-combat by most people) would actually cause you to switch targets if you -right- clicked on something else while attempting to change your visual perspective.

However, they have since enabled a feature that allows you to disable that function (if you haven’t done so already). Just open up your preferences and make sure that the box that says “interact with right click” is disabled.

If it is disabled then there’s not much else to suggest from my end.

The preview tournament was a lot of fun. I couldn’t believe how fast you got 100 people to agree to do a solo Q / free agent tourney so fast.

The free agent tourney was a blast and the teams were pretty evenly split for fun games. I hope there’s more that I can sign up for!

Is there some sort of entry fee for competing?

**edit: just read the battlefly site and it says free to enter.

Impact.2780:

Lux.7169:

To further clarify, it does not proc the shadow return and so I still have the option of activating that.

At the risk of sounding like I’m nitpicking – which I probably am actually because for some reason it just irks me – assuming you don’t mean “process the shadow return”: PROC in that context stands for Programmed Random Occurrence, such as a critical hit. Shadow step always turns over to shadow return when activated, so it’s not a random occurrence!

</nerd>

Touche`

I simply meant ‘activate’ so I meant that it does not automatically activate my shadow return and so I still maintain the option of using it… if I don’t get downed from a buggy/failed teleport.

well he’s been playing semi-actively on NA since release. Pretty sure he has three accounts, not sure which is active for him.

http://www.gw2score.com/PvP/player/Nocturne6830
http://www.gw2score.com/PvP/player/NocturneZ4738
http://www.gw2score.com/PvP/player/nocturnez9372

Tao.5096:

If I understand it correctly, OP means that he does use Shadowstep which work okay, but returning skill is Self-activating?

I have such problem with 3rd skill on Engi’s Pistol which auto activates whenever I target enemy.

Sorry, I did not mean to convey that. What happens is that I’ll use it 900+ range away from me, and it properly activates but I do not go forward from my original location. It doesn’t always ‘break’ like this, but it does sometimes.

To further clarify, it does not proc the shadow return and so I still have the option of activating that.

Hope that helps clarify the particular bug I have been experiencing.

it’s ok, they fixed matchmaking so now after 45 mins we can win 500-0 but just be careful when the implement dishonor for not accepting qpops…

it sucks but realistically I’ve never had it be an issue ever in competitive pvp and I play some good peeps.

The bigger anticlimax was that they didn’t rush lorrd on foefire in the last 2 minutes. Of course I don’t know who could/couldn’t peel but at the 2 min mark they were obviously not going to come back even if they full wiped Abj and triple capped, so the lord play was honestly their only hope of winning at that point, but instead they acted like they didn’t even realize the timer was an issue.

That being said all 4 matches were REALLY enjoyable to watch. So many comebacks and turn-arounds. It was very fun to watch this tournament.

I’ve done about ~40-50 games post patch and lost probably 1-2 when I q’d by myself. Albeit I’ve been Q’ing with some semi-decent players as well as some very good ones.

Feels like MMR either isn’t active or it’s just not accurate yet.

That being said I haven’t fought against -anyone- I recognize except maybe 1-2 people who appeared to be yolo Q’ing.

I hope it takes them as long to fix as it does with blatant thief bugs and glitches.

Just curious on when these will be distributed of if there has been some hiccup in the process.

I am referring to the season ending 12/2/2014.

I hear people doing it on TS
#confirmed

Here’s a drawing of the preferred llamas based on a poll conducted in skyhammer matches.

http://fc01.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2010/242/f/b/the_epic_llama_battle_by_trollgirl-d2xn7p5.jpg

Zuik.7158:

Wow.

Mary is such a b*tch.

DISHONOR ON HER FAMILY

slausty.1238:

Step aside Caramel, I gotz this.

Make those who have multiple Llamas, the ability to show multiple pets at once. I.E. I have 3 or so, I can have 3 follow me around. Caramel has 4, he has a herd. Let us PvP’rs have our “ultimate pvp only” rewards for wining tourney games by showing off our leet pets. The more Llamas you have, the more street cred. PvE better recognize.

#LlamaPack
#LlamaHerd

I’m down with this for sure.

Although let’s be realistic, they need to cap it. I think 80 out per person would be appropriate.

Lopez.7369:

Where are you people getting all these llamas? Have there really been that many giveaways?

Won a give-away and then got to the final round in qualifiers twice.

Add the rewards for team/solo Q ladders and there just keeps being more and more useless ones : (

Could PvP’ers please be allowed to sell or forge their llamas?

I’ve got 3 but they don’t really do me any good… and with the llamas as rewards for top 100 in team/solo I will also be getting more llamas…

An example of forging llamas would be:
-put 2 llamas in the forge for a newer flaming llama or something ridiculous like that… something other than having to either /destroy them or see them nonsensically pile up…

Other thoughts on what could be done with llamas?

Sandrox.9524:

Somtimes it even shadowstep to yourself even if you targeted a flat place.

Did about 40-50 matches the past couple days and it happened in just about every match for me.

Specifically shadowstep, not necessarily steal (did run into 2-3 hiccups with steal malfunctioning).

I know I said I’d make a video but I haven’t gotten around to it, but yeah I’ll be running, flat surfaces, and click nothing other than shadowstep and it doesn’t work. Pretty sure the issue arises only while in combat, and other people do not necessarily have to be around for it to malfunction.

Very difficult to work with on thief since shadow step’s primary function is to put distance from you and an enemy so I can cast my heal without being interrupted or at least get out of range to avoid some bad attacks, but when I SS and don’t distance I end up eating heart seekers, hammer bashes, etc etc etc.

Wait until you guys see how much my decayed r1 account bumps up after I remove the decay ;D

KENYAN LUX FORTUNA INCOMINGGGG

I’d be interested if there was a secured spot on the main roster for it. A couple teams have me step in for them during weeklies and I think they may ask me to sub for the monthly but they would understand if I had a secured spot to participate.

So if you’re interested let me know if you want a thief (not sure if amon or aidas will be playing but in case they’re not just offering my willingness to participate).

I’ll make a video tonight. It’s breaking for me even when I’m not chaining it with anything like HS or DS, I blip to the initial location for 1/10th of a second then blip back to the starting location without having activated the shadow return, and so I’m typically still in melee range of the aggressor and returning at that point is also silly except to remove conditions.

I’ll see if I can’t find my OBS and record it happening.

It’s really annoying… seems like the other teleports were fixed but not this? This actually seems worse since it seems to fail ~50% of the time in combat now even if you’re not performing another skill?

Malchior.5042:

I literally just cried!

I’m freaking thrilled beyond belief to see a re-imagining of THE MOST dominant guild in all of Guild Wars GvG history!

So, OnlyFear, you’re not Korean, but German? What tag did you go by? Will any of the Pride members be returning? Master, Bloodlight, Jang, Soul?

Jang was leading a really prominent WvW guild for at least a year after release, not sure if he’s still around—he had a lot of issues with the incentives to do WvW but I’m sure if you search for his name in the forums you’ll find him. He doesn’t speak english (well?) and so what you’ll find is mostly google translations.

I’m an active thief player since beta (Lux Fortuna) who has recently been participating in tournaments with my PvE guild (Seraphs of Fortuna) in ToL2 Qualifier (3rd place) and ToG Qualifier (4th place) and I am interested in trying out because I want to see how I could perform on a full team of strong players. As of right now my time is extremely constrained due to classes (only days available would be thursday, friday, and saturday nights—during the day on Sunday is fine as well), however with the advent of the holiday season I feel that I could dedicate a good amount of time for training for the upcoming tournament any day after finals. I am 26 years old and I’ll link you to my twitch vods and youtube vods—while I realize that most of these are dated I’ll make a new one this weekend when I have time to put some matches in and edit this post accordingly. While these are old vods and some are bad quality, many of the names are of top tier players.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCVGJlarSAXh2rQ57oSDAr2w/videos

http://www.twitch.tv/lux_fortuna/profile

While I may not be renowned in the community, I think my performance given my team-mate’s general lack of experience (in both tourneys we had 2 or more players below r50) my tacts and strategy led to various upsets (2-0 vs Absolute Business; and 2-1 vs Keepin It Kosher).

Mr Kitten.7359:

Mrbig.8019:

Is this really becoming a thing ?

Cuz if it really is, it’s like the worst thing this game ever created.

name 1 decap engi thats being used in top tier

Jazzy turrets has run it in the past 3 ToL/ToG qualifiers and has made 3rd place twice and 4th place once with it. Meaning in 3 consecutive qualifiers he made it to the final round for qualifying but lost and was placed in the 3rd/4th place game.

There’s also an inverse to the problem where an enemy benefits from me using a legendary. Particularly thieves with The Dreamer because when stealthed the SB5 skill Inf. Arrow will normally shoot an invisible arrow that can no longer be seen (prior to a major patch a few months ago it could be seen).

However, if you are using The Dreamer it changes the animation of SB5 to a flying unicorn… which can be seen even if the user is stealthed.

So someone using the short bow to stealth up and quickly attempt to kitten someone with a decap is greatly hindered in that a flying unicorn is a dead giveaway and sort of contradicts the role of a deceptive thief.

Of course I could stop using the bow… but I’d rather they just fix a blatantly erroneous game design.

Thanks for the link!

From the comments I’ve picked up throughout the forums and streams it sounds like both DPS and Mistpedia have rankings for teams that actively participate in tournaments as a guide for their seeding.

I was wondering if these could be made available to the public. I realize rosters change drastically, but I’d still be curious to take a look at that information if they wouldn’t mind making it publicly available.