Guild Wars 2

don’t you hit r9 after one game these days?

aussieheals.6843:

Reikou.7068:

I’ve been critical of Blu in the past, but he definitely deserves this for the effort he has put into this game. Congratulations.

this

+1

Also, glad Kensuda took the initiative to begin this.

Still looking for a team. My last 2 teams kicked me since I refused to take down my commander tag. I WILL NOT TAKE DOWN MY COMMANDER TAG BECAUSE I AM AN ELITE WVW COMMANDER WHO HAS NEVER LOST A BATTLE.

If you cannot except my prestige then you should rethink whether you should continue to pvp. I trained for commander tag 5,000 hours and I will use the wvw commands in pvp to ensure quicker vitocriers.

I have the shark finisher in real life.

Pong Champion 17 years in a row.

I am 63.

Astral Projections.7320:

Herr der Friedhoefe.2490:

… and playing music is such an advantage?

I would think that it’s more ANet holding a hard line against macros than whether or not music playing gives advantages. They can’t reasonably say no macros but then allow some macros. A company gets into legal problems when they apply the rules inconsistently.

People also regularly tip for good music performances in game. Not only is it benefitting the macro users, it potentially gimps people playing music the official way—why tip player A when player B is giving us Beethoven

Axelwarrior.9084:

This post is so ridiculous.

You’re comparing a Thief to a Warrior and the worse thing you can say about them is that “They’re boring”. Saying that S/P is not fun because you can’t move while using its strongest attack? HELLO? Have you even played warrior before?

This made me laugh.

+1

I was so excited when I saw this because I thought it was ging to be an announcement if the map being retired like Capricorn… One can dream…

Lopez.7369:

There’s very little doubt in my mind that China will eventually dominate these tournaments. My guess is they have way more competition than the US and Europe because the game launched in a not-terrible state.

They don’t have a competitive scene due to a variety of circumstances. This is why I personally don’t think the scene formed:
-They saw how the competitive scene here was treated
-The VIP system they have which they are obsessing over, encourages them to focus more on PvE since it greatly rewards you for completing every option of the daily.
-There is a curfew for anyone under 18 (pretty sure it’s 18). I think it’s an anti-gaming addiction law where if you are below 18 the game forces you to stop playing that day after 2 hours of being in game. This cannot be bypassed since you need an ID to register for an account.

There are a few other reasons which I feel contribute to the lack of a competitive scene over there but these are the major detractors.

So even if they wanted to field a competitive scene it’s 30 min Qs 24/7 and when you do get a match its ridiculously easy to beat people who don’t know how to dodge. That being said, if you want to improve in that environment how are you going to do it when there’s 0 competition?

sendmark.4731:

Lux.7169:

It’s ok, someone on China learned how to dodge roll. Revolutionary!

You can laugh now, but the fact is esports is taking off in China in a massive way. MLG bulding the first esports stadium and two Chinese teams in the DOTA2 final for $5 million. If they take GW2 seriously, they will dominate. Although tbh I highly doubt anet can put up the prize money to tempt them.

Do you play on the Chinese servers? Didn’t think so. I do and at this point am tired of linking my PvP record there so I won’t bother.

They’re not taking it seriously and they are extremely far away from competing with even percentile pugs.

Half of their tournaments to date were actually hotjoin style where you join a random team and get a praise if your team won and you got another prize of you had a higher personal score…

If they score more than 20 points I am already fully convinced it was rigged so as to not completely humiliate and embarrass the players of their region.

Ralkuth.1456:

All-star should have been the best of each team, by definition.
It would make more sense if we had 2 rounds of voting, first selecting the best of each team, then voting for the players themselves.
The voting system and setup was badly handled from the start as the votes are not account-restricted and there are multiple candidates from the same team…

Now we get to watch TCG vs NA pug…
And good luck to China.

It’s ok, someone on China learned how to dodge roll. Revolutionary!

Never had any issues.

While I thoroughly enjoy the flow of combat in this game I am very disappointed with the progress—or lack thereof—with regard to PvP. Honestly, I think PvP has regressed from launch. At least in the early months we had the real automated tournament format. Or when we used to get gems for winning rated matches.

I could go on complaining but that’s a post for another topic. The issue here for me is: where do we go from here?

IMO these QOL changes would be fairly easy to implement and would drastically increase popularity in the format:
-Seasons that last 4 months
-Rewards at the end of each season for highest rank attained, top XXX in wins in each competitive format (obviously higher rewards for tQ).
-Permanent decay
-Significant rewards for actively playing and winning in the top 500/250/100/50/25 (each tier granting more prestigious rewards).
-Automated daily tournaments with gem or unique rewards.
-Require 100 games to appear on the leaderboard.

Of course I’d love to see new PvP formats *COUGH*HoH*COUGH* but I feel like that would be much more time consuming to implement.

Increase the rewards for actively playing and playing at the top of the ladders and PvP would get a ton more active—in a good way. This would also eliminate LBrank campers who play games once per month to abuse the reversible decay system and it would also incentivize and appropriately reward top players while giving non-top players good reasons to actually improve.

I wouldn’t mind seeing Whirling Axe reflect projectiles like the thiefs version of the skill.

I have been an avid supporter of them implementing more counter play to stealth. On that note I’d like to see more counter play to other skills, like invulnerabilities/immunities etc. I think skills like Renewed Focus are fine. However skills like Endure Pain, Shelter etc etc have little or extremely niche counter play. Like the Mesmer pull will fully interrupt a guards shelter and put it on full cd without them getting the heal affect, but from my knowledge only 3 (soon) to be 4 skills will be able to do this.
As with endure/berserker the only ‘real’ counter play is to wait it out and hope you can survive and kill them before they are back up.

I could go on but it’s unnecessary since its my personal balance wishes, but I think proactive counter plays to stealth is a step in the right direction.

FeelsAlright.5860:

Lux.7169:

I also really like that revealed debuffs are becoming more easily accessible. I hope we see more classes with access to revealing.

I feel like they should’ve made it more difficult to achieve stealth rather than having a 1 button push that neutralizes a class’ entire defense system.

It’s not our entire defense, especially if you’re not using stealth as a crux.

I think there are smarter ways for them to implement it, like adding it to certsin ground targeted skills so a thief can avoid them or be cc’d into them etc.

Perhaps some thieves will evolve beyond the ‘I must stealth to survive!’ mentality.

It will weed out the lesser skilled thieves. Honestly I bet any top tier thief sees these buffs to engie/ranger power spec as a buff to thieves as well. Sure the other classes are getting buffed and even ways that directly counter stealth, but its buffing power specs, which thieves are quite strong against naturally. Adding in revealed creates mind games and interesting counter play.

I could be totally wrong and am the only thief welcoming these changes. But I would 100% rather fight a power ranger or a glassier engie than the current meta.

Why? Winners of most games is usually decided in the first 3 minutes.

Didn’t someone say they would start up a donation fund to get Blu to gamescon if he didn’t make it via voting?

WTB Solo Q Heroes tournament

I love buffing zerker specs regardless of class. I think if they continue with this it will help shift the meta out of the bunker/ultra tanky meta we have now.

Sure buffing ranger is basically going to invite more thieves, but that buffs comps that bring burst thief counters etc.

I also really like that revealed debuffs are becoming more easily accessible. I hope we see more classes with access to revealing.

Personally if like guests on the show with you. Of course you alone have a lot to offer the community in terms of techniques and rotations and tactics, but it would be interesting if you could bring guests who have conflicting perspectives.

I would love to see top players with controversy, whether its build-wise, rotation wise etc. and not just passive controversy but more towards the heated side.

Also, since you are frequently on teams it would be interesting to see what makes a player stand out to top teams? Is your personal skill supposed to shine? Is it more about personality? Is it about legacy? Obviously it’s a bit of everything and some aspects are more important to some than others, but I guess what I am asking is: for people currently established and for those who do want to enter the competitive tPvP scene, what advice would you give them?

I would also like to see it focused on more advanced rotations and tactics than the simple things. Getting more in depth with countering certain rotations with certain classes/players. Also, I think specific anecdotes would really help put the situation into perspective instead of hypotheticals, but hypos are still much better than nothing.

Lastly, many players watch things like this from top players and think there is one ‘best’ answer and tend to ostracize players who don’t instantly follow what top players are saying. Meaning, with regards to rotations, if players don’t rotate like X then it is ‘bad’ whereas Y could also be a viable and even more intelligible rotation. Same applies to builds, strategy, comps, etc

I’m sure I could offer more input but I won’t flood your thread especially since I honestly don’t know exactly what this is about.

edit congrats on making it to Germany! I voted for you

Eurantien.4632:

I gotta be honest. I have no idea who Phantaram is.

Strong ele from EU who occasionally plays on NA. He also regularly streams on twitch. When I say he is from EU I mean he primarily plays on EU, but I think he lives in the US which is probably why he was on the US roster.

Meglobob.8620:

I wouldn’t write the Chinese off as well, I have heard there pretty awesome and they could well bring unusual strategy/meta that the EU/NA players are not expecting.

Does seem a ‘tad’ unfair having all the EU players from the same team.

Really? Have you played on Chinese servers? My tQ win % is 98% from solo entering and a few duo Qs…. After 200 games…. With a constant 3 second skill lag due to latency from playing in the states…

Yeah, I don’t expect anything from china. If they score over 20 points in any match I am already fully convinced it will be because Anet begged EU and NA to ‘make it look close’

insta-down wow… no need to humiliate him like that before the match starts =\

pebbles

OlrunTheBlade.1486:

You think that they can beat Megalodonger? That’s Kaypud, Rar, Quilja, Supcutie, and an alt (we’ll let you guess who that one is). I’ve got nothing against Japan Thailand Croatia, but they’ve got some real competition.

Of course Rar Quil Kay and Sup are very strong, but based on the players and traditional comp match-ups for what they’re best at I think Japan can pull the upset on them.

Although I admit part of the reason I didn’t guess that they will advance is because I didn’t realize they had an alt on their roster and just assumed it was someone they were carrying.

Also, I mistakenly thought Karmy was on their roster and I consider Karmy one of the top 5 players NA. After looking again he’s obviously not on their roster, but it will still be interesting to see how they do. Plus it’s always fun to root for at least one non-seeded team, even though these are of course just light seedings.

After seeing the rosters I’m betting on Japan Thailand Croatia and No Clue for this qualifier.

100% sure it wasn’t rally for most if not all of them. We were tQ’ing and pay attention to that sort of thing and communicate well.

That being said yes, it’s not every time that they did it and I am experienced enough to know every time a banner is used etc etc so that’s not in question. It seems like certain requirements are necessary but I’m missing the important part that facilitates this unique res.

I’ll update the thread with more information once I try and pester the eles I’ve seen doing it repeatedly.

I’ve considered the self glyph but to my understanding it works instantly when downed. These players were usually downed for 3-7 seconds before mistforming and the revive happened after the mistform.

Also vs the eles that did this its extremely unlikely they would be using this unless the top tier meta for ele has changed significantly the last few days.

I can definitely rule out rallied for all of them.

I can’t rule out the glyph res (which I mistakenly referred to as signet res from ele) on all of them but I can rule it out on most.

In most cases they were literally almost cleaved to death with no one even attempting to res and then boom Mist form and they were instantly up at the end of mist form as if they had rallied (def were not rallied in these cases though).

It literally looked like the tornado glitch res.

LOL I messaged every ele who did it and they never even responded!

You eles are good at keeping your secrets, but I will find out XD!!!

Recently (since this last update) I’ve been seeing several eles (in at least 10+ instances since the update) mysteriously self-revive after using mist form when downed in spvp.

100% sure there were no banner resses, stealthed player resses, nor elixir R resses or spirit resses. I also think it’s unlikely that there were any other eles using the ele signet res and each time my team on TS was extremely confused on how the ele picked himself up. One particular instance we had the ele pigeon-holed on the stair case leading from GY to Q and we had a ton of cleave on him with poison fields, cluster bombs, hambow had a firefield on him and landed hammerbash and at about 5% downed health the ele went into Mist Form and was alive (no one on our team was stomped or anything like that).

I am well aware of the many ways players can often miss how someone was revived and if this was a closed instance I wouldn’t really think twice, but it’s happened at -least- 10+ times in the past week and I am not sure what’s going on. I remember there used to be a glitch where if they were downed in tornado form the bonus health pool from tornado would allow them to revive if they used mist form, but none of these eles were using tornado, plus that glitch was fixed.

Any idea what’s going on here?

Blackmoa.3186:

basicaly anet should have amde up their mind what kind of tournament tehy wnated: allstars or not allstars. With China already just sending a full team(decided by qualifiers as far as I know) it looks more like not allstars to me, but why bother and let EU and NA vote then, furthermore why have a full team in the votings and no rules as to how many players of one single team can attend. This is not allstars, it’s a normal tournament with massive bias towards EU and China as NA is basicaly left with a Pug to play vs some of the best players of the other regions.
The issues mentioned by Blackjack also made this whole voting kinda stupid.

Chnia can send 10 players and would still lose 500-100.

I’ve played about 200 games on china 80%ish were yolo Q’s the others were duo Q’s with my wife.

196 wins 4 losses…

Also take into account that this was with 3 second skill lag CONSTANTLY at BEST (at worst I just literally couldn’t move half of the game).

JustTrogdor.7892:

So the votes must be in. Who won the popularity contest?

Oh the actual voting was just an illusion to make us feel like we could decide. They’re just going to play the politics game and send who they planned on sending regardless of votes

jk I don’t know how the system works, but it wouldn’t surprise me.

Oh wow, I think I actually hurt some people’s feelings XD

I didn’t realize the pve community was so sensitive. Perhaps the guide should address this <3

docMed.7692:

+1 to lux for the entertainment and dropping the hammer.

This is where the real pvp happens man.

XPGAMER.7324:

Are you kidding? Learn to read please. I never blamed teammates, I openly admitted that we goof off in tpvp and almost never take it seriously. I’m not saying tpvp is hard, infact its probably really easy to learn for people that try to learn it. I’ve just never cared. There is more to this game than tpvp believe it or not, not quite sure how that’s so hard for people to understand. Give the thread back to caed before you embarass yourself more plz<3

I goof off all the time, and I’d say 90% of my tQ’s are yolo Q’s… Why are you assuming I’m a try-hard? I just think it’s funny that your pvp record is so low. Can’t remember the last time I saw someone with more than 100 games lower than 48%.

I’m not sure what you mean by easy to learn? I mean after ~5 games you realize how capture points work and how the scoring works… so it’s just basic math… The skill differentials really make the difference though and it sounds like that’s where your team is lacking—losing fights to players in the percentiles. You’d have to be losing 1v1’s, 2v2’s etc, or even 4v3’s etc etc to be stuck at the percentiles like that regardless of goofing around or whatnot.

What makes you think I don’t know there’s more to the game than pvp? What makes you think I want to bother with it more than I have already?

Where did I say you blame your team-mates? I said do it if it makes you feel better, so please stop putting words in my mouth if you’re going to harass me due to your inability to correctly assume what I have literally said.

XPGAMER.7324:

Lux.7169:

Well if you consider ~300 games not much then sure, no need to defend yourself. I’m just saying, from someone supposedly great at dueling, you have a mysteriously low pvp win ratio, which isn’t typical of anyone considered good.

Also, I’ve never heard of you nor remember fighting you, or a ‘nightblade’. I seriously doubt you know me either, and anyone who has fought me remembers my style because it’s definitely not meta in any aspect of the game.

We fought back when the gambling duel servers were popular, was fun. And you seem to fail to realize that there is an incredible difference between being good at 1v1, and being good at tpvp.

Being good at tpvp (Caed should make a guide on this, not d/p imo):
Knows where to be, knows when to decap, run away from a fight, engage, etc
Being good at 1v1:
Winning duels. Quite simple.

And idk, is 300 games a lot? I’ve had this game for 2 years, and have well over 4,000 hours on it, more than 2.5k on thief alone. In that duration of time, is 300 matches of tpvp alot? you tell me
http://www.gw2score.com/PvP/player/Lux7169
almost 1600 games, but I congratulate you on your 62% rating. So so so much better than 47%. 15 whole % higher!

Still have no recollection of ever fighting you, especially never any D/D thief.

Yeah, I consider 300 games a lot. It doesn’t mean you frequently or even actively pvp, but 300 games is sizable. When you compare your games to mine its out of proportion, since well over 99% of my time on this game has exclusively been in pvp.

So you win duels, and can win 1v1’s but can’t transition that into success in tpvp? Even the most basic rotations would translate into tpvp success (especially in the percentiles where you have been fighting).

For example, push far, win 1v1, go anywhere else or even stay far to 1v1 the respawn. Assuming you win your 1v1 then you’re doing more than carrying your own weight and in those lower rankings this often times leads to the enemy team falling apart.

Lower ranking, and even sub-50 rotations are the easiest thing in the world, and I don’t think anyone would argue successfully against that. It’s basic math so unless you’re losing your fights there’s really no excuse for hovering in the percentiles and blaming it on “idk how to tpvp rotate.”

But sure, blame your team-mates and tell me how complicated tpvp rotations are if it makes you feel better.

XPGAMER.7324:

Lux.7169:

http://www.gw2score.com/PvP/player/XPGAMER7324

That 47% win ratio after ~300 games. Sure, you said dueling, but he must be doing something horribly wrong XD

Yeah I’m pretty bad at tpvp. I barely ever do it, look at the history kitten ur smart enough to do that. But I’ve beaten you enough times 1v1 lux (XPGAMER = Nightblade)

Usually in tpvp we mess around and don’t run serious comps. I run full d/d burst, thats not even close to meta T.T tpvp is the area of the game I see no need to take seriously, I just take WvW seriously (75% of the time :P )

Also wasn’t trolling earlier, as I’m doing now I didnt quote mbelch for the sake of post length. Don’t need my opinion to take a full page XD

Well if you consider ~300 games not much then sure, no need to defend yourself. I’m just saying, from someone supposedly great at dueling, you have a mysteriously low pvp win ratio, which isn’t typical of anyone considered good.

Also, I’ve never heard of you nor remember fighting you, or a ‘nightblade’. I seriously doubt you know me either, and anyone who has fought me remembers my style because it’s definitely not meta in any aspect of the game.

Mbelch.9028:

For my own last point in this chat, XPGAMER is anything but a troll. He’s one of the more skilled thieves who plays. Ask anybody who is in the dueling scene.

http://www.gw2score.com/PvP/player/XPGAMER7324

That 47% win ratio after ~300 games. Sure, you said dueling, but he must be doing something horribly wrong XD

It depends. Over half of anyone who plays d/p in pvp knows the basic rotations and even the nifty tricks D/P is capable of and on that note any of these players can write that guide just as well as you.

What you have to offer that no one really can match and which I would personally love to read would be your particular perspective and in-depth analysis on match-ups and not just generalizations on general play (like, when you know you’ve secured mid look for the decap—this sort of info is really beneath what you have to offer the community because anyone can cover this).

That’s my honest opinion, gl if you decide to write one on whichever topic.

Honestly, I’d love to have a discussion/debate with you on different thief specs/variations of D/P for optimal play, although I doubt you’d care for it since you’re obviously plenty successful with your traditional set up.

veewee is a girl #liv

My favorite is this guy who is 3-8 (yes, three wins eight losses) who went up to rank 4 (he may have been higher, this was just the first rank I noticed him at).

How do you hit top 10 with 3 wins… even if you beat the best players all on one team three times in a row…

He’s decayed down to like rank 13. I took a screenshot.

Same with everyone in my match. Map was foefire, happened about 5-10 minutes ago. Haven’t been able to get back on and the website is working extremely slow for me as well. All other websites and games are loading and playing perfectly fine.

I voted for you because I respect the way you play and think you bring a unique perspective both build-wise and rotation-wise. I really hope you get to go.

Ryan.9387:

BLUna.7928:

EU Q1 Brackets now available

@post above mine.

Forgive me.

25% of the teams have been posted.

blitzkrieg.2451:

Lux.7169:

blitzkrieg.2451:

Lux.7169:

I’ve recently had a lot of experience with this while playing on the Chinese servers (3s latency during the best times).

Regardless of the 3s+ delay in every action I was still very successful (180wins 3 losses from yolo Q’ing into tpvp). Of course a lot of it had to do with my experience playing on NA and then versing the inexperienced Chinese players, but regardless I think the advice is solid:

It comes down to knowing very common openers, rotations, and the general flow of combat. It’s not hard to reliably anticipate the future of a battle and the more familiar you are with match-ups the better you can predict and react to those actions before they take place, or in this case, while they take place. Knowing when you should burst, but then understanding that with your 2-3 second delay the burst won’t take place for that delay and so it’s all about timing, even when you’re not really interacting with the up-to-speed actions from the enemy.

That’s how I managed to combat high ping ~400-2,700 ping on the chinese servers.

Lux also dc’s intentionally/logs off when kitten goes south in solo que in NA. ^^

Pretty amazing that I keep a 62% win ratio by doing this with over 1k games played. Maybe I should teach people.

Mhm, you’ve done it alot in solo que and the sad part is you’re not even that good lol and keeping a ratio for the leaderboards is an utter joke in this game, so mentioning this means absolutely nothing.

Yeah I am pretty awful. It’s fine, I’ll let you farm me for gold—let’s duel for gold. Come farm me since I am so terrible. Basically free gold for you.

Keksmuffin.1450:

Volrath.1473:

All the TCG’s, easy.

Question 1: what is BLU doing in this list?!

Question 2: why is Caed not in this list?

You can say what you want about BLU but he’s a big part of the community. It’s not like the tournament will be super tryhard stuff so let him be on the list. :<

Except it will be super try-hard. You think these ultra-competitive players are going to go on the global stage and play it casually, or even just semi-competitively?

No, they’re going ultra cheese, ultra try-hard win by 500 if possible. If not for the prizes, then for their reputation.

We all know what 1 mediocre player can do to a team in a highly competitive match. This is a death sentence for NA who would already be struggling to compete on this stage with EU. We’re blessed to have the option of phantaram, who probably won’t make it unless EU rallies for him—which would be counter-intuitive.

Oh I feel silly. I didn’t realize you were joking XD
Ok Ok here’s the deal. If NA has to use blu, then to make it fair EU sits someone out.