Sounds like you should have capped out at Ruby, but made it just past to diamond after a spike in wins and are now facing teams above where you should be settled.
Which raises a good question that some people have touched on to some extend already:
Should you be allowed to drop from one tier to another in situations like this?
Or should we just accept that this will happen from time to time?
Alternatively, should people get matched against others of a lower tier if they hit a losing streak? My guess is that while this could resolve this issue, we’d also start seeing tons of “Why am I getting queued against so many people above my rank?!?!” type QQ.
I had the same issue in emerald, back then I had 95% loss rate until I teamed up with high MMR people, so 80% in diamond is already an improvement over emerald hell lol.
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All I know is that diamond division feels like the same noob division as emerald or saphire. People do unneccessary stuff all the time like pushing far when the game is almost won, then even wipe there and we loose the other points in the process so the enemies make a comeback. It is really terrible. I would call it unplayable.
I often think about making premades (at least triQ) but that is very tedious since people join and leave all the time so you can never really work out a proper teamplay.
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What if we could melt superior sigils and runes to amalgated gemstones? There are a lot of useless/worthless superior sigils and runes and it would finally give them a use.
I’m in favor of this — even if superior sigils/runes could substitute for Orbs|Crests|Doubloons in the recipes, it would be a good thing. (Although, it might not lower AmGem costs all that much, it certainly would make it a lot easier to forge your own.)
Yes, I am not sure if it should be simply 4 Runes/Sigils to be melted together or if they should be able to be used instead of orbs. That is up to John Smith to decide since he has all the data for the supply and knows how many are generated per day in comparison to crests/orbs
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If you guys think you are so great, record 1 of your lost games and upload it to youtube. 100% people will find mistakes in your rotations, build or pretty much anything.
Noone of the MMR hell people claim to be ESL material. But if games get lost by several 100 points all the time it cannot be the fault of 1 person unless that person is sabotaging the matches. And no I wont record any matches. Only have kitten on my gaming computer which would be full in 10min of recording.
If you want to proof your point and you are in my pip range (+-15), on EU and have deep understanding of pvp we can play a few rounds and you can tell me what exactly I did wrong to cause the game get lost by 100s of points. Your argument is only valid if you the game was lost by 100 or less points imho. Then sure there is probably something you could have done better to get those few extra points for your teams. But I want to see how you turn a 0-300 points loss into a win on your own unless you are an ESL player ranked way below you should be (eg like Leeto playing on smurf accounts).
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Sorry that thread proves nothing. Of course you can soloQ to legendary. You just are not allowed to get caught in MMR hell. If 80% of the games get lost with a large margin it cannot be the fault of a single person unless the person deliberatly tries to sabotage the game.
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Took a bit over 1h break in hope of improvements. Got the next blowout matchmaking. Two people on my team only had 10 points eg they capped or decapped something.
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is this the website people use for win rate? what am i looking at im greater > 65.5? or 53.10? anyways like i said this website calculate all your games for the past 3 years.
It says you have a winrate of 53,10% which is better than 65,5% of the playerbase (of the gw2efficiency userbase)
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What if we could melt superior sigils and runes to amalgated gemstones? There are a lot of useless/worthless superior sigils and runes and it would finally give them a use.
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Yes. Some people are supposed to get stuck in tiers. We’re not all pros, even if we want to think we are.
The way I see it you should have a 50/50 winrate if you are in the place you are supposed to be. I didnt have that back in emerald and I still dont have it in diamond, so the system is not working.
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of course my win rate is low, I play all classes to get the achievements, even if I am horrible at them. But currently I play on my good classes and the MMR ruined everything.
8 of your last 10 games were on Necromancer, the class in which you by far have the lowest win rate with.
what website are you using to check win rate or mmr this season?
He cant. You can only check lifetime winrate (so over 3 years in my case). MMR cannot be looked up at all.
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“Give us an option to ignore all whispers/mails sent by people above a certain AP threshold.”
:)
Gold sellers typically steal accounts, so an ap threshold will not help you. Where are you getting all this gold seller spam? I get some ….. about 1/1000 of the spamming for guilds though.
The goldsellers I get whispered by are all fresh throwaway accounts with less than 50 AP.
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of course my win rate is low, I play all classes to get the achievements, even if I am horrible at them. But currently I play on my good classes and the MMR ruined everything.
8 of your last 10 games were on Necromancer, the class in which you by far have the lowest win rate with.
I gurante you it is the same with every class. I tried all the classes I feel like I am decent at ever since I dropped from 11 to 0 pips. Nothing changes. And considering I have less than 1000 games on each class a few bad games or experimenting can easily ruin the whole win rate. Its the same experience like I had back in emerald.
Lastly I might be with you if we loose by ~100 points or less that it might be my fault that we lost and I could have done things better, but if we loose by 200 or more points it is very unlikely to be only my fault.
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Your ranked winrate is 46% according to your API key, and you have a bazillion games. The matchup you posted is unfortunate, but I’d say you should be happy you made it as far as you did.
of course my win rate is low, I play all classes to get the achievements, even if I am horrible at them. But currently I play on my good classes and the MMR ruined everything.
My last seasons winrate was like 70% (guessing this, I didnt write down the results of every match) when I pushed from ruby to legendary
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For some reason I’m getting more of such blowouts than any balanced matches.
This is why I’m stuck in ruby.
Either the opponents are much higher MMR than my team or it’s the opposite.
Close games are really rare.
Look closely. I have 3 emerald in my team because some **** diamond player thought it was cool to queue with 3 emeralds. The same happened to me twice in a row yesterday (3 emerald + 1 diamond in a party)
But yes after reaching 11 pips in diamond I suddenly started loosing 80% of my games again just like when I was stuck in emerald MMR hell (had to party to get out).
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After reaching 11 pips in diamond after hard work I got caught in a downward spiral and the following screen shows what happens to me more often than it should.
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if they can’t whisper enough people they’ll just switch to map and say chat. I personally don’t see it as an improvement if map or say chat is filled with gold seller spam that right now is going out to individual people. You’ll have to block all of them each time you go to an area where they are, not just the ones that directly whisper you.
At least it wont distract me during pvp matches. Half my gold seller spam is while I am in a pvp match.
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I usually queue only in the afternoon and the games I get are generally good with most of the players being in the same skill/pip range. Today I played a few in prime-time and witnessed lower div trio/4man queues over and over. I get that the party system takes only the rating of the highest rated play in your group, but the people who are forced to play with those crippled half-teams are not having a good time. The only solution I can think of as of now is for the system to try and match similar “multi-division” teams together. Yes it will probably take them longer to get a game, but they’re multiple guys to begin with. I’d rather have a complete soloQ team consisting of div6 players then a guy playing with his amber friends.
I can tell you with full confidence that they won’t do that for the same reason why they won’t disallow class stacking in ranked. The Q times would be too long. We simply don’t have the player base to make that possible.
Then make it so that you can only queue with people in a +-15 pip range.
Today twice in a row I was paired with a 4 man premade made of 3 emerald and 1 diamond. It infuriated me.
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Almost any group composition can beat a raid, but the difficulty you experience will vary of course. Knowing the mechanics and positioning is what matters most.
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Getting ‘stuck’ in ruby is a very important topic regarding how best league should operate. We changed matchmaking to make the ladder more prestigious and so far it has done that. Divisions are aligning with skill level much better than season 1. The product of this change is that the bulk of players who hover around the middle of the mmr curve should stay in sapphire and ruby. Win rate will level out at 50% because there are plentiful players of similar mmr in the same division.
Should average players be able to climb out of the middle divisions by grinding? This removes prestige and can make matchmaking worse within a division, but always allows a sense of progression.
Should average players stay in the middle divisions because that’s where they belong at their skill level? This retains prestige and only improving skill will allow climbing, but rewards and progression stop at some point through the season.
Is there an incentive that could be added to league games for players who have reached their appropriate division and can no longer climb?
I dont believe the MMR part one bit. Currently 75% of my games already start with a disadvantaged team composition. Like 2-3 thieves, guards and warriors on team.
Today I even had a game with 2 thieves and 1 relogged thief so we had 3 thieves in total. Needless to say we lost hard. Outrageous matchmaking for diamond division.
it was thief daily. same kitten happen to me. the player said his main is not thief he just wants daily. so we lost
then those people should do the relog trick and relog at 450 points or something when winning
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Getting ‘stuck’ in ruby is a very important topic regarding how best league should operate. We changed matchmaking to make the ladder more prestigious and so far it has done that. Divisions are aligning with skill level much better than season 1. The product of this change is that the bulk of players who hover around the middle of the mmr curve should stay in sapphire and ruby. Win rate will level out at 50% because there are plentiful players of similar mmr in the same division.
Should average players be able to climb out of the middle divisions by grinding? This removes prestige and can make matchmaking worse within a division, but always allows a sense of progression.
Should average players stay in the middle divisions because that’s where they belong at their skill level? This retains prestige and only improving skill will allow climbing, but rewards and progression stop at some point through the season.
Is there an incentive that could be added to league games for players who have reached their appropriate division and can no longer climb?
I dont believe the MMR part one bit. Currently 75% of my games already start with a disadvantaged team composition. Like 2-3 thieves, guards and warriors on team.
Today I even had a game with 2 thieves and 1 relogged thief so we had 3 thieves in total. Needless to say we lost hard. Outrageous matchmaking for diamond division.
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What would make legendary players happy to keep playing the game? Is it just quicker queue times? What if you could do other things while waiting? What if there was something other than leagues all together like unranked arena that legendary players could go to until more players make it to legendary?
How about asking the question what would make all the ranked players happy to keep playing the game, cause right now I am disheartened and completely de-motivated by the system. Its making me hate spvp.
Why are you disheartened? Is it the inconsistency of match quality?
Yes, most matches are blowouts even in diamond division. I rarely get close matches.
I don’t understand this desire for close matches in a ladder. It’s competitive by design. This is not unranked where they use MMR for closer matches.
The whole competiveness is a dead end road. The average player plays for fun not competiveness, so if 90% of the matches are blowouts and boring they will abandon it.
And I cant blame people if they become toxic, troll or afk once they notice the match is lost with maybe 1 in 100 chance to recover. And why do I still get people in diamond who rush far all the time and die there without even decapping it. Or zerg off point and die like it is hotjoin.
Also loosing streaks where you loose 10+ pips in a row are not fun. I feel there needs to be a cap about how many pips you can loose by a loosing streak.
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I think your plan will significantly increase loading screen times and makes loading models/textures on the fly more intrusive. It is best to have a dat file locally on one computer with only one instance of gw2 accessing it. Personally I could not imagine playing this game without kitten, playing it from a NAS feels like an atrocious solution to me just to patch once instead of 3×. Just moving it from a 5 year old SSD to a high performance HDD increases loading times by a ton.
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What would make legendary players happy to keep playing the game? Is it just quicker queue times? What if you could do other things while waiting? What if there was something other than leagues all together like unranked arena that legendary players could go to until more players make it to legendary?
How about asking the question what would make all the ranked players happy to keep playing the game, cause right now I am disheartened and completely de-motivated by the system. Its making me hate spvp.
Why are you disheartened? Is it the inconsistency of match quality?
Yes, most matches are blowouts even in diamond division. I rarely get close matches.
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Matchmaking was horrible today. Went from 11 to 0 pips in diamond because I lost every single match. Most of them were blow outs and even if I would be one of the best players ever probably uncarryable.
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If you missed a season it will definitely be harder since you need to cross 10 divisions in total. So you need to reach 2x legendary or 2x ruby + 1x diamond or 1x saphire 1 ruby and 1 diamond. You get the idea.
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This season and meta is much worse than previous. Not enjoying it at all.
The season? Yes but not the meta dude. This meta is a lot better than last one. The last meta was about capping the first two points, then gg.
Conditions are way too strong.
They should nerf chill to its old use (slower cooldowns and runspeed), poison should not stack in intensity, torment should be deleted and confusion back to only do damage if you use skills.
And some classes can still tank godlike in 1v1
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Is OP kittening? The 2012 halloween skins are awfully dropping in price since ~3 month!
Ghastly grinning shield went from 3k gold to ~500g, still falling!
Chainsaw greatsword went from 5k gold to 700g, still falling!
Scythe staff went from 7k gold to only 3000g, still falling!
These once rare and special items went from a great state to some cheap useless stuff for anyone.
Last thing anet should do is a rerelease! Lets hope the market stabilizes and the prices change their direction back to the old glory!
What’s so “glorious” about a skin costing 3k gold?
What is glorious about a Ferrari or Yacht in real life? Not everyone can afford it, thats what makes them special.
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What were your thoughts on the time-gated ascended materials?
I personally, felt they were incredibly annoying and not fun. I mean really, when I was on that stage it was craft this spiritwood plank and do something else because I couldn’t progress unless I bought from the TP or waited for it to reset. It really was not fun.
I just bought the majority of them from TP. You can either choose between building the precursor faster or cheaper at the moment. I guess it is the only way to do them without making the whole precursor collection meaningless. Collection 1, 2 and 4 is usually low effort you can do in a few hours depending on your luck with the event spawns.
Yeah I totally understand (and agree) with ensuring that precursor collections aren’t meaningless. But why time-gate it? Time-gated content is not fun (it actually encourages logging in, crafting it, and logging off). I would much rather have a grind of items I can farm for. For example, I was fine with all the Elder wood log the Bifrost collection required because it wasn’t time-gated.
I think a little bit more effort could have gone in the collections instead of just forcing you to have 30+ spiritwood planks. However, if the goal was to make people spend money on gems to convert into gold then this is a flawless idea.
That being said, I think the collections should require ascended materials (I know, I know, I’m contradicting myself) just not a huge amount. Like. Part of the collection can literally only be progressed once a day. WOW, HOW EXCITING! /s
It is hard to keep precursors valuable without the t7 rquirement. Maybe if Anet would add 10x more journey (and more difficult, skill depending) steps they could remove the material sink. But I dont see that happening considering how much casuals whine about the legendary armor collection already…
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What were your thoughts on the time-gated ascended materials?
I personally, felt they were incredibly annoying and not fun. I mean really, when I was on that stage it was craft this spiritwood plank and do something else because I couldn’t progress unless I bought from the TP or waited for it to reset. It really was not fun.
I just bought the majority of them from TP. You can either choose between building the precursor faster or cheaper at the moment. I guess it is the only way to do them without making the whole precursor collection meaningless. Collection 1, 2 and 4 is usually low effort you can do in a few hours depending on your luck with the event spawns.
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