Guild Wars 2

Tease – it’s based off a picture of mila kunis GW1 icons are so much cooler.

WolfOwl.3968:

I wonder if some of these guys go into Mexican restaurants and complain there’s no spaghetti on the menu.

GW2 doesn’t have an endgame, oh noes! Now I can’t taunt the casual noobs with my leet gear!

Yep, I can run casually for a few hours a week and, if I’m paying attention that is, still be competitive in pvp and a solid dungeon runner. I knew that coming in, because I read what the game was about.

I didn’t just see MMO and PVP and decide to get it.

Even GW1 had awesome challenging dungeons, we’re not asking for gear grind, in fact most of the GW fans loathe the very thought of ascended and begged ANet not to put it in. But they don’t listen to their fans anymore, just do w/e the hell they want and expect us to eat it up.

I would love to see the QQ involved if ANet put a hard mode slaver’s exile or FoW or ANY dungeon really. “wahhh catering to hardcores now” what just because we want some challenge in the game?

PUH-LEASE. so tired of this glorified facebook app that all we do is enter and autoattack city with quickness. BORING. boring boring boring.

A lot of us want pve progression, difficult content, that does NOT mean vertical progression.

I’d buy gems if there was something worth buying in the first place, yeah I’m talking about those lame town clothes (that DO look awesome) that I can’t even combat in.

Oh I miss GW1 costume system so bad… that alone is probably losing them a ton of money. Seriously, why the petty restrictions? They’re everywhere.

Geotherma.2395:

Mathias.9657:

Peetee.9406:

Tired of hearing these casual vs hardcore debates.

Casuals make up a majority of the player base, buy the fluff on the gem store, and pay for the bulk of new updates.

Hardcores push the content, force developers to make and develope new content, and are more proactive in identifying game issues.

A successful game needs both sets of players.

That is true, but ANet don’t give a crap about hardcore that’s why the whole debate thing going on right now. GW2 is so far 100% casual with no challenging content.

Fractals and ascended gear don’t exist I guess. And any dungeon that isn’t cof p1. Your right, 100% casual, no challenging things at all.

Trust me those are nothing to a hardcore player. All of GW2 pve has been done to death at this point, because I am 1 of them. Fractals are simply gated.. I can’t even progress anymore until they add more agony resist. That isn’t HC.

HC would be pve-progression (btw stat grind is NOT HC either.) with set amount of bosses that require very coordinated groups, stuff that we can’t just complete in 1 day but in weeks, giving ANet time to design the next set of content.

So far we’ve got nothing but tiny updates that can be done in 1-2 hours at most. Fractals is old as hell at this point. As an example just look at heroic 25man raids in WoW but remove the gear.

Besides, spvp has nothing to do with open world, so why even have this? It’s nothing short of an annoyance. Mobs already have CC, so..

Peetee.9406:

Tired of hearing these casual vs hardcore debates.

Casuals make up a majority of the player base, buy the fluff on the gem store, and pay for the bulk of new updates.

Hardcores push the content, force developers to make and develope new content, and are more proactive in identifying game issues.

A successful game needs both sets of players.

That is true, but ANet don’t give a crap about hardcore that’s why the whole debate thing going on right now. GW2 is so far 100% casual with no challenging content.

Searing flames was always viable though… even after the nerfs. It’s like how ANet nerfd shadowform but didn’t really. It just gave you godmode in a different way. Lol I never understood their logic in “nerfs” like that. It just came to be that other heroes were better, no one used ele’s anymore because mes were way better except for the E/Mo infusers.

Anyway, to make a LONG list short:

Guild Alliances
GvG
HA
AB
RA
TA
HB
JQ
FA

All 10x funner pvp modes than lolconquest. Or maybe it was just that I had so many options I never got bored? Either way.

Skills were a lot more fun, tons of options. There were meta’s but they changed all the time with nerfs/buffs, result = never bored. Some people saw this as a down fall… I see it as keeping the game from becoming stagnant. Kinda how GW2 is right now, using the same exact build and skills 24/7 for eternity… ukk no thanks.

Pve was more fun, you had mobs that patrolled and had to carefully pull everything instead of steam rolling through it all in hardmode. There wasn’t even a dungeon as easy as CoF, there were speedruns but not no 6-8 minutes. Dungeons were a lot bigger and far less annnoying, more engaging with monks and protection support + front liner/backliner/midline etc. it was just way more strategic.

It was much more a cooperative game with everyone pitching in not just DPS this DPS that, and that’s my main reason for it being better but like I said another big thing was more variety, skills and such. Also instead of learning skills (in prophecies quests did reward them) you would go hunt elites off of bosses, once you killed them you can capture normal and elite skills. That was fun.

Like the first poster said.. I could make a 50 page long essay, but no one wants to read that. Just take my word for it GW1 was much better

Maybe I should add the only con GW had… ANet stopped putting out new content for it. Also DR only affected bots, you would never notice it as a normal player. Everything was rewarding including pvp, it wasn’t completely split like they are in GW2. You could get mass wealth in pvp and take it to pve if you wanted to get skins and all that.

Just more friendly in general.

Vayne.8563:

Mathias.9657:

No, mesmers didn’t user trickery in GW1 they took skill with interrupts and hexes, anyone worth their salt wouldn’t get tricked by diversion for example. Nowadays they just spam clones and fill your screen with particle affects letting their NPCs do the work for them – boring imo.

Interupt builds were one form of build. Unfortunately, playing from Australia, meant interupt builds due to latency were all but useless. You’d easily cast an interupt in time to interupt a spell but it would go off anyway, because on the server it had already been cast, even if you didn’t see it cast. So yeah, interupts not so good if you have any latency at all. It’s probably one of the reasons they took direct interupts out.

You probably just had bad internet – I played often with aus friends in GvG, never had this problems.

No, mesmers didn’t user trickery in GW1 they took skill with interrupts and hexes, anyone worth their salt wouldn’t get tricked by diversion for example. Nowadays they just spam clones and fill your screen with particle affects letting their NPCs do the work for them – boring imo.

Instead of skillful combat they went with the chaotic throw a bunch of stuff on your screen route where you are playing a guessing game on which mesmer is the right one. Absolutely terrible… and they spouted e-sports with things like this, RNG combat…

Vayne.8563:

There are plenty of things from this game that came from Guild Wars 1. The mesmer still has the same obnoxious feel. The play style, to me, feels very similar. The fact that in Guild Wars 1 protection was stronger than healing and neither game requires a tank. The fact that in both Guild Wars 1 and Guild Wars 2, you have equally obnoxious NPCs who let you do the work and then end up the main heroes of the story (bet you didn’t miss that).

The whole feel of the game, and the way I play the game is actually the same. Even the loot tables are similar to the way they were set up in Guild Wars 1, though people don’t want to believe it. DR existed in both games.

What’s missing first and foremost is the skill system including dual professions, all of which we knew wouldn’t be in the game at launch long before the game started selling.

Edit: Even story mode and explorable mode dungeons were in Guild Wars 1, if you look at Oola’s Lab and the Bloodstone Caves.

We must be playing different games. DR was not even noticeable in GW1, so much so that most the player base had no idea it was in there. GW2 is nothing like GW1… nothing at all. You say mesmer feels the same? They play 100% COMPLETELY different in both games…. no clue how you can say that. They even removed hexes.

Mirta.5029:

WoW does not have a huge casual following. For one thing no casual would agree to pay a monthly fee just to play once a week or so. It simply does not pay when there are B2P and F2P MMOs out there.

WoW has a HUGE casual following. Suddenly casuals aren’t allowed to spend money?

DeathMetal.8264:

If you want challenge, go against real players. Beating hard bosses, they become easy over time because you can predict the attack. Go against hard to predict foes: go against human players….

As for reward: seeing your name on top of that list as being the best of the best..

Pvp in this game sucks, though.

Yeah I felt annoyed/trolled too for the longest time.. speed is dealt with horribly, don’t get hit or walk at a snails pace.

Galtrix.7369:

Most of the updates were definitely pointless. Blizzard had countless updates and tweaks to the game every day. But, WoW also had about 4 times the content that Guild Wars 2 has at the moment, so I found myself happy with the amount of content I could complete until an expansion came out. In other words, I didn’t need the constant updates that GW2 has to do constantly when I was playing WoW. So GW2 has a lot more updates than WoW, but WoW’s updates were better, with less bugs.

Agree’d.

IF we get hardcore content the casuals will cry that they want to see it without actually working for it. (LFR in WoW)

I wish us hardcore folk could get some content and just be left alone but it’s not so easy.

Can’t believe they don’t even have the decency to give us hard mode dungeons, at least that would give us something to do other than grind 24/7.

Remember that thing we used to do in MMOs, pve progression? ANet seems to think that all we need is gear grind which was never really the reason people raided anyway.

I miss doing difficult content with my guild, too bad they all quit GW2 when game became stale repeating the same mistakes, GG devs ignore your community more that will get you places for sure…

I see the same complaints covering the front pages for months and what does ANet do? Ignore, add more RNG boxes in the gem store and temporary content that is quite easily completed in 1-2 hours at most.

It’s even more casual than casual if that made any sense. An MMO with like, zero content for a year. That only ever happened between expansions in WoW.. but it’s the norm here in GW2.

Stahp adding stuff that can be completed in a few minutes and let us set some goals instead of GRINDGRINDGRIND which you ANet folk love so much.

maddoctor.2738:

Mathias.9657:

Perception has nothing to do with being statistically inferior and not being able to advance on an alt if I made one in fractals as opposed to my main with 35AR.

Yet I have 6 characters with 20-40 AR, while only one of them is at level 48 Fotm, 2 at their early 20s and he rest of them are at fotm 0 and yet they have 20 AR. Yet I still have mats to continue gearing them for even higher AR.

Which means I can easily play with any of my characters in Fotm without any issues, it only depends on which character I’m interested in leveling at that moment. Then I remember how I got my max level gear in other mmos… raiding, dungeon running in epic dungeons, character bound gear, full gear treadmill. THAT was alt-unfriendly, Guild Wars 2 is not.

Cool, you must play a lot. I made an alt mage in Cata (1-85), got full epic raid geared ready to go in 3 days. About a billion times faster than getting ascended+leveling in GW2, so don’t tell me other MMOs were alt unfriendly. Some (a lot) of people argue WoW is too casual. GW2 casual? Nah, not even close. Maybe in some aspects but certainly not when it comes down to legendary or alts.

Vayne.8563:

Mathias.9657:

Vayne.8563:

Mathias.9657:

You heard it, OP. Just be inferior on alts and enjoy it, even if you don’t enjoy it. (really guys? blaming the problem on him? Lol…) this game actually requires you to have a main with fractals and WvW ranks, etc.

Right, but it doesn’t have to be the same main. And inferior is an interesting word. What’s superior, having fun or killing stuff faster?

Because my goal is to enjoy myself, I will play what I want, how I want. My warrior kills stuff faster than my other characters, but I enjoy my other characters more. So my warrior is the inferior experience.

It all comes down to how you filter your perceptions.

Perception has nothing to do with being statistically inferior and not being able to advance on an alt if I made one in fractals as opposed to my main with 35AR.

Stop trying to fancy talk me, I know the facts. ANet time gates everything in the game and blocks most of the fun that is making alts. (more time gating) I would have to go through hell to get 2 characters full ascended. Screw that…

I’m not fancy talking you at all. If I’m PVeing, it doesn’t MATTER how statistically inferior I am. You ever play golf? There’s something called a handicap. The better you are, the more of a handicap you get. Your rewarded for being good by being given a statistical nerf.

So if you’re really the kind of guy who likes challenging content, you’d be in favor of challenging yourself, thus providing the superior experience.

If you think doing things the easy boring way is more fun, and superior go right ahead. I think beating the game on my terms is superior.

The fact is, statistically superior would only matter to me if content was unavailable to me because of that statistical superiority.

You do realize you will get smashed in high level fractals without AR right? Try doing them on an alt. Grind doesn’t = challenging to me either..

Vayne.8563:

Mathias.9657:

You heard it, OP. Just be inferior on alts and enjoy it, even if you don’t enjoy it. (really guys? blaming the problem on him? Lol…) this game actually requires you to have a main with fractals and WvW ranks, etc.

Right, but it doesn’t have to be the same main. And inferior is an interesting word. What’s superior, having fun or killing stuff faster?

Because my goal is to enjoy myself, I will play what I want, how I want. My warrior kills stuff faster than my other characters, but I enjoy my other characters more. So my warrior is the inferior experience.

It all comes down to how you filter your perceptions.

Perception has nothing to do with being statistically inferior and not being able to advance on an alt if I made one in fractals as opposed to my main with 35AR.

Stop trying to fancy talk me, I know the facts. ANet time gates everything in the game and blocks most of the fun that is making alts. (more time gating) I would have to go through hell to get 2 characters full ascended. Screw that…

You heard it, OP. Just be inferior on alts and enjoy it, even if you don’t enjoy it. (really guys? blaming the problem on him? Lol…) this game actually requires you to have a main with fractals and WvW ranks, etc.

Please don’t make it a massive grind like current system, and add some challenging quests (you know, questing, that thing we used to do in MMO’s?)

ryston.7640:

Some really quality points in this thread. I hope the devs listen and commit resources to making good on their so far false promises.

This thread was made 7+ months ago, pretty sure we can safely assume they don’t get it, or care considering countless similar posts have been made since.

bravoart.5308:

Nope. not unless that xpac is called something like:

• Guild Wars 2: The Death of Diminishing Returns
• Guild Wars 2: Drop Rates Rising
• Guild Wars 2: CoF2 With 13 new 5-minute paths that are just as profitable as CoF1p1
• Guild Wars 2: Precursor exploiters actually banned so the economy isn’t kitten.
• Guild Wars 2: Zommoros gets beat the kitten up and take his lunch money.

I got a nice laugh. +1

This is what ANet calls “challenging content”

And what we call “annoying”.

ANet may have frequent content updates but the difference between this MMO and the rest is, you get through GW2 content in a day… no matter what it is.

We. Need. Raids.

…or something similar that is actually going to last in between these tiny updates. Is it really their goal to get us to log in for a day then take another month break? I guess so, since no monthly fee.

In general it may perform better but for burst D/D is a must, I don’t and have never ran D/P in pvp. It’s a very cheese build imo and I hate to be a lemming, I just run D/D since release and the damage from C&D is great to take out mesmer clones and other stuff I think it’s the best if played correctly. Hardly a forgiving weapon set though which is why it isn’t favored.

If PW gets a buff I will use S/P again, that was a pretty fun build. Constant interrupts really felt like trolling your opponent almost to the point of feeling bad lol.

If it makes you gold, it is an exploit. GW2 rule of thumb.

bladie.5084:

Mathias.9657:

I disagree completely. SA is mostly for survival, I definitely don’t take it for the epic damage you think it has lol. yeah I’m going to waste time chaining a few cloak and daggers while someone is capping a point because I have all the time in the world for my ‘sustain’ right? No… just no. This is yet another WvW complaint, and don’t underestimate the incredibly useful AoE perma-weakness you get in DA line using shortbow.

Spamming poison field just to get a 3 sec weakness is not op and it’s not perma. You’re sacrificing initiative, putting yourself in danger in close range, and have very inefficient DPS to poison and weak.

This is not a complaint, it’s a fact. stealth trait is OP. You are basically rewarded everything for stealthing. In and out combat, you can still perma stealth.

Mathias.9657:

I would imagine you should know how a thief works since you apparently main one?

Backstab is not OP, Stealth skill itself is balanced. But the whole stealth trait is OP. Truth.

Lol you clearly haven’t used a shortbow in DA line before… 3 seconds? Wow, not even gonna waste my time informing you.

I would most definitely not come back for the pvp. I’m less annoyed by the insane amounts of CC in WoW and really that should tell you something. Pvp in MMOs is at an all time low it seems, been playing BO2 tournaments and LoL to pass the time in competitive scene. I should start up SC2 again…

D2 ladder reset has been more enjoyable than GW2 pvp. Someone come own pubs with me.. xD

HS is an executioner skill if you’ve ever played a war in WoW. He was also lucky with a crit and you must have been at 25% health he was also most likely buffed with bloodlust sigil or lots of might. Nothing to see here really…

Use black powder to stomp, 5 on your skillbar. stealth was pointless without blind trait. 11k hp ,eek

I disagree completely. SA is mostly for survival, I definitely don’t take it for the epic damage you think it has lol. yeah I’m going to waste time chaining a few cloak and daggers while someone is capping a point because I have all the time in the world for my ‘sustain’ right? No… just no. This is yet another WvW complaint, and don’t underestimate the incredibly useful AoE perma-weakness you get in DA line using shortbow.

I would imagine you should know how a thief works since you apparently main one?

Most friendlies just attack through my refuge or blinding powder so I really don’t think they care. Could be a easy revive for them but… alas, never happens in PuGs.

Bhawb.7408:

Are you talking about adding new items or putting the items for each rank (what we get via RNG) up to be bought instead of forcing us to play the lotto until we get what we want?

Clearly blasphemy, burn him!

Darnis.4056:

I keep hearing this argument, pve =! Pvp, why would they make pvp rewards an easy 5 day grind like pve?.. PvP ranks show your hard earned skill, PVE rank means nothing.

It doesn’t show any skill when you can faceroll hotjoins and still get rank. I know there are plenty of r40+ that totally suck.

^what he said

Even if they added HA and GvG it wouldn’t work right. The game requires a massive revamp in general to create any sort of good gameplay.

IDK why they don’t just accept the fact and start supporting GW1 again, keep GW2 for the casuals that don’t care. They could easily make GW1 esport if they just put in the effort to balance and supported tournaments again.

Easily. but we all know logic isn’t ANets strong point. I think it’s a total waste of time to put even a single minute more of resource on this games pvp.

To them, it’s GW2 all or nothing but they’re totally crapping/crapped out on an amazing opportunity.

Lol those wars were basically afk. That 2nd war would have smashed you if not for his extreeeeemely delayed 100b after frenzy. Probably the worst players in GW2.

Brutalistik.6473:

Since GW1 is going to be on automation soon. Does that mean they’ll focus more on GW2 if that was there distraction?

Lol they abandoned GW1 a long, long time ago. It hasn’t been their focus or a distraction in years.

Valanga.5942:

Sky.4356:

Would you buy the next expansion? Why or why not.

No way.

Why should a buy more gambling, more RNG, more autoattack-semi afk “world events”, more facerollable contents and more vertical progression?

And by the time ANet will throw out an expansion, Elder Scrolls Online and Wildstar well be already released and at least for me, GW2 will be long forgotten…

I feel the same, going ESO but if it was Cantha expansion I would buy it, just to see…

Humposaurus.5764:

Jon also stated that they are working on a way to reduce the particle effects in pvp to make it less “clusterkitten”

You mean like a particle effect density slider that is in every quality MMO except GW2?

9 months later and hard to believe they are so quick to fix these things! I bet this will be a pvp-only feature too, even though massive particle effects plague the entire game.

Farmville has better odds at becoming esport. GW2, balanced or not, is simply boring.

No variety

No healers/protters

No incentive to win (rewards? Lol what rewards?)

Bad game mode – conquest is just atrocious worst I’ve ever seen, bored me on day 1.

No customization – sure you can choose between glass cannon or bunker. The game doesn’t even let us switch our weapon skills out…wut??? They actually took choices out of the game instead of adding.. that is like… regression, right?

And most importantly, it isn’t Guild Wars.

Just a few, among thousands of problems.

Asum.4960:

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I couldn’t agree more. +1 and more people should take note of the fact that ANet has no clue what they want for the game, they did a complete 180 and seem to just be going with the flow, throwing random crap in like ascended gear. It’s only going to get worse unless they take up their past convictions.

Look at all the time gating, from daily rewards to legendary RNG this game is 100% based on grind and it is sickening. They said they planned ascended from the start? LOL yeah right! Bull! Straight up lying to our faces at that point.

They caved in to all the grinders from other MMOs crying that they couldn’t get better stats after exotics “whats the point if my character can’t progress in power?” because vertical progression TOTALLY makes sense, right? It’s FAKE.

Although I love WoW, as it was designed around this and does it correctly, after getting a tier set of gear with the best sets they design fights around those stats so you are not progressing at all, they are just tuning everything to you anyway. This is what I never understood about stat grind. Sure, you can go back and faceroll all previous content solo but really is that the only justification of v. progress?

Games may as well all be designed around even stats and only skins imo, it makes the most sense to me. The positives after Blizzard released transmogrification was insane. The game is pretty much about skins now for a lot of people, because it’s fun to look the way you want.

V. progress can be enjoyable (probably because people don’t even notice/understand it), but in a game like guild wars where this was never supposed to be the model if any respect was to be shown to guild wars fans, it’s total garbage and a huge slap to everyone that thought this was going to be a GW1 sequel.

Was it really easier to kitten off the guild wars fan base than to add more skins? Have we even had ONE armor skin added to the game? I sure haven’t seen any, I’m still in cultural armor.

There is a cap at 12 secs but yes you can heartseeker or cluster bomb through smoke screen or black powder or sit in shadow refuge. You can indefinitely stealth by spamming black powder > heartseeker with certain traits.

TheMightyAltroll.3485:

Mathias.9657:

Stealth was never in GW1…

And lol @ Unicorn being viable, no it’s not at all… death blossom is buggy as hell, you can literally walk to the side and 50% of the attack will miss you and those bleeds are absolutely necessary for damage. This even happens in pve but it’s less of a worry because mobs aren’t running around constantly.

I’ve tested unicorn (or unicron as I like to call it) extensively and it is just not reliable enough to be efficient not to mention a cripple or freeze will make you completely useless.

Stealth was implemented in GW1, then immediately removed after when the developers found out it was near impossible to balance.

Yeah I’m gonna need to see a source for that because I don’t ever remember assassins getting stealth and I was there for factions release.

Stealth was never in GW1…

And lol @ Unicorn being viable, no it’s not at all… death blossom is buggy as hell, you can literally walk to the side and 50% of the attack will miss you and those bleeds are absolutely necessary for damage. This even happens in pve but it’s less of a worry because mobs aren’t running around constantly. Pretty much requires 100% swiftness uptime and condition removal vs any decent player.

I’ve tested unicorn (or unicron as I like to call it) extensively and it is just not reliable enough to be efficient not to mention a cripple or freeze will make you completely useless.

Fortunately for me I run zerker gear and I don’t have to change my build at all to use all burst weapons whether I’m pistol whip, unload, or backstab nothing but a few trait swaps.

TheOneNOnlyGeneralBama.9586:

You’re not going to mention the part where you used a cheese build and Bill’s was outdated before you go about boasting? Wouldn’t expect you to lol :|

You can clearly see what build he is using in the video…

WvW heroes are so touchy.

You have to stay in refuge for 4s before leaving to keep stealth.. not sure if intended or not but that’s how it has always been afaik.

Grind for legendary, farm dungeons and events, jumping puzzles and mediocre pvp pretty much it.

…not sure if trolling, or…

ANet doesn’t make mini games competitive anymore, just hot join chaos.

Elona because Palawa Joko, Cantha because it’s the best in every way. Crystal Desert would be nice as a change of scenery but what would we do there? Ascend? ANet already made that into a gear grind instead of story missions like in GW1.

I guess we could defeat our doppleganger again and meet Glint if she’s still around, and that would definitely be a good reason to go there.

NO to ascended armor. Ascended gear is horrible design, when ANet could have just gone the way of GW1 where we simply infused our armor we already had to fight the Mursaat. In the case of GW2 it’s to get to higher fractals and we would upgrade our exotic armor. But you know, that would never happen because they want to put vertical grind in the game.

We all know it’s coming, whether we like it or not.