Guild Wars 2

Is Wildstar going to have pvp? Could be good.

ESO I guess isn’t going for serious pvp just WvW type stuff.

But yeah most pvpers have left or lurk the forums telling ANet what a crappy job they’re doing.

GW1 isn’t an MMO? News to me, for the last 7 years I thought I was playing with thousands of people in an online role playing game.

Guess not lol.

Empathetic Fighter.2065:

Sure this game is e-spawts!
Since all top-teams stopped playing the game, it is even more interesting to watch.

ur just mad nub l2p huehue

Gorefiend.9675:

ensoriki.5789:

I tried to watch the video but it was a complete mess of stuff going on. Like the game on a cohesive understandable level does not scale for 15v15.
Like I’ve play Planet side 2, and it can have way more players duking it out then that, but it’s never that unreadable. It was straight messy. It sounds like you guys are communicating but I couldn’t even watch the full thing it was so messy, like everything that is groaned about in SPvP multiplied 3 times if not more.

GW2 just has that much Flash. If Anets vision of PvP is being that messy man they need some glasses.

That is a complaint not only thrown out for 15v15 but even the tournament pvp that happened today.

-To the untrained eye, everything in gw2 is a mess.

Even to the trained eye. Particle effects need a massive tone down.

As a thief main I would kill to be an assassin from GW1. Yes, stealth is lame, but we NEED it because that is how ANet designed us. Our survival is total crap, without stealth, not even playable. I’m talking about actual stealth builds that is, S/D is another story.

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Guild_versus_Guild

Caffynated.5713:

XselectX.9026:

man its just soooo funny heavy wvwers really dont get how much more attention they get then pvper and still kitten

You have to be joking.

What have sPvP players asked for and didn’t get?

Players: Paid tournaments don’t pop!
ANet: single round tournies so you don’t have to wait more than a few minutes

Players: We want more maps!
ANet: Have 3!

Players: We want a ladder to see who the best are!
ANet: Yes, my precious flower.

Players: we want to run our own tournies!
ANet: custom arenas

Players: We want to spectate matches!
ANet: yes my special flower. Anything for you!

Players: Premades stomp pugs!
ANet: solo queue

Players: Necros, warriors and rangers are garbage
ANet: Here you go, now they’re great!

Players: We want more game modes!
ANet: they’re coming soon my special flower.

You get almost everything you ask for, except maybe PvE rewards for sPvP and fixing it so ranked matches don’t start with less than 5v5.

Spvp is such a joke none of this really matters to be honest. And when did they confirm new modes? I find that hard to believe since lolconquest is their special little flower and it’s absolute garbage.

I think you’re suffering from “that other mode gets waaay more than our mode!” seriously try playing some spvp and tell me if you enjoy it, or can even stand to play it for a few days. At least you have ways of making WvW fun like guild battles or roaming, you aren’t locked into playing any specific way.

We’ve been asking for GvG since day 1, and you know what ANet is going to add? Some crappy death match mode or some half-conquest half-whatever maps.

They never give pvpers what they really want; first off soloq is garbage and matchmaking is terrible. Custom servers are mostly dead, no one even plays on them anymore except for MAYBE 1 duel server and the rest are ANet defaults.

We’ve been stuck in the same terrible condi meta for months, with no balance updates.

Spvp is dead for a reason.

I think we can all agree though GW2 is officially a pve game, and both pvp modes are completely boned. Hell, even pve gets terrible mundane content.

Spira.4578:

Ahm, ok so i checked the vid and i can see the amount of insulting – coming from the players – starting with “just let the kittenes in the middle die” and continuing by calling him a kitten and telling him to play somewhere else.
Once again – you were insulting him because he wasn’t playing the game based on your rules.

I was working in an ISP center in the past and I must say it.. You people are the kind of ppl that the whole company laughs at.

He was intentionally trolling, and he acted like a child. He was obstructing 30 people from doing what they found fun by standing in their group. He knew that. Then, the leader makes an extremely valid point. ANet expects us not to ‘GvG’ in WvW when they refuse to put GvG in the game. They also expect us to play the pathetic mess that is sPvP? Rofl.. these devs are CLUELESS!

All in the name of failed e-sports.

Maybe if they implemented real GvG, hurr durr.

Xcom.1926:

Vayne.8563:

You’re 100% right. It is a problem for all MMOs, even the biggest most successful ones. Many of the mid level zones in WoW are empty, on a lot of the servers. Why? Because there’s very little reason for people to be there.

Exactly, and you know what WoW did? They found a solution to the problem. With CRZ then Connected Realms. After Connected Realms you can go to any zone at any level and see players because they basically “Merged Servers” and gave a pretty name to it.

ESO is going to do the same thing and will have a solution before launch.

GW2 and other MMOs need to do the same thing. Because WoW realized there is a reason they lost almost half their subscribers. And they fixed that problem. Putting it under a rug doesn’t make it go away.

ANet has the tech to do it, we see it with their guesting feature. They just need to enact it.

But then GW2 wouldn’t be different, so that means we don’t get to have that.

He obviously wants to go to a new server for free, hence deleting all characters. Unless it’s for WvW though I don’t see the point, you can just guest anywhere.

Alys Florent.1359:

• Map preferences. You can select one or two maps that you would never like to play on

You mean like WoW

huehue

Most hot girls I know that play games stick to call of duty not MMO’s, but they do exist.

NevirSayDie.6235:

Arcturus.5846:

RaynStargaze.6510:

please stop using that word

Then tell ArenaNet to stop focusing on it.

They’re hosting a modest tournament with a small cash prize. They’re hardly “focusing” on e-sports; they’re focusing on QoL improvements, new features/modes, and balance tweaks, as they should be.

A couple devs said two years ago that they thought the PvP would be great and might even be e-sport material, and suddenly the forums make it out to be some grandiose promise that also somehow ruins WvW and makes the 60$ box price a license to qq endlessly. Huh?

This claim is as untrue as the claim that bunkers dominate the PvP meta, which for some reason WvW players still believe. (I think their commanders keep telling them that to keep them in the zerg, honestly.) Everyone has a right to qq every once in a while, but can we stop being so incorrect all the time?

ANet literally said they were going for e-sports from the get go… the community didn’t just pull that out of their hat, hence why they get so much flak for their terrible unbalanced and bland pvp.

Don’t forget they only have like 2 people balancing (clearly that hasn’t changed since a year ago) and they hardly care anymore. It was just hype, but don’t blame it on the players.

eisberg.2379:

haviz.1340:

Vayne.8563:

Except that Factions and Prophecies together had less content than Guild Wars 2 at launch. Nice try though.

I’m sure pvp in gw2 is blooming thanks to all that content we have.

Developers stated that Guild Wars 2 now has more people playing GW2 PvP than they ever had playing PvP in the history of GW1, and Guild Wars 2 hasn’t even released in places like China and Korea, where as Guild Wars 1 did. So yeah, PvP is booming comparatively.

I find that incredibly hard to believe, but even so GW2 has a much larger population so it would make sense. Pvp still sucks regardless.

Eurhetemec.9052:

ProtoGunner.4953:

I partially agree. You guys forget the GW1 meta game. While the combinations were almost infinite most players had some builds they run for months. Simply be cause other builds were not as effective. Like the Discord builds, the SoS builds, the Pain Inverter builds. There were few tweaks here and there but that’s comparable to the utilities we have now.

Yep. On my Paragon I ran basically one build for six months+, with at most minor variations for different circumstances.

Maybe we could do with some stuff like clkitten skills which punish specific opponent-types, like the Margonite-punishing skills, to help break up some of the monotony, though, in GW2.

This wasn’t the fault of the players though, imbagon was basically the only viable build for paragon. This is because ANet abandoned the game for GW2 and we didn’t and STILL haven’t seen any changes tot he paragon in GW1. Forever stagnant.. just like GW2 lawl.

Because what GW2 needs is flashier animations… /sigh

We’re already blind man, what more do you want?

Destiny.6738:

Dhunis.9072:

Dont like the map? Dont play it. Problem solved. Some of us enjoy pushing people off the edges.

You shouldn’t play GW if you enjoy pushing people off the edges tbh. And it’s the minority who actually enjoys it, and this, because they are mostly not able to reach anything in “normal” PvP.

My advice: Play Super Smash Bros.

At least smash bro’s has a counter to getting pushed off ledges. Trollhammer on the other hand… e-sports yolo

Are you actually mad about this? Lol.

Recreate the GW1 assassin, all thief problems and QQ solved. Stealth is a terrible mechanic in any game, it’s cheap and I don’t even find it fun to use.

Similar to mesmer clone mechanics, it just takes no skill. Just another thing that baffles me about ANet being obsessed with being different yet they recreate the rogue from WoW with a twist (lolspamstealth) instead of keeping with a really original class, the assassin that only used shadow steps and combo attacks, lead offhand and dual.

Confusion and cheap tactics should never be in a game that claims to be e-sport. Rofl.

Allie Murdock.8152:

xD

That’s a great mentality. You do realize that if there’s data that people like GW2 PvP, and it gets more popular, that it could = more resources? It’s cool though. If you don’t want to watch, you don’t have to.

You do realize if pvp didn’t suck in the first place there would be a lot more playing it?

Another ‘blame it on the players’… rofl this is the most ridiculous thing I’ve seen all day and I saw someone get rear ended in a parking lot.

Coarr.3286:

sic em has a uptime of 10 sec with a dmg increase for every hit. i think arena will bring something like every hit will stack the revealed “condition?” ( condition duration increase work or not ) with every hit for maybe 2 sec. with this buff and a ranged pet thiefs will have a hard time

Yeah let’s just murder stealth completely… lawl. Sounds like you just want more S/D flanking strike spammers.

Pve rewards, more modes, instant pvp population. /thread

Teutos.8620:

GW2 has the best PvP and PvP balance from all other MMORPGs around there.

Please tell me you’re joking, couldn’t bother to read on.

How do you stop mindless builds when classes like thief exist, I main thief btw serious question.

It’s always going to be something between flank spam, BS stealth spam, pistol whip spam, heartseek spam. War will always be CC chain, HB haste spam, etc. you get my drift.

Internal game design flaw. kittened cheese builds will always exist because of how the classes are so simple. It’s just pop cooldowns, run in, faceroll, repeat. there is no soft ebb and flow, you are either getting hit by a truck or tickled by a feather.

ilr.9675:

As a Ranger, (mostly melee), I’m often changing my weapons …AND traits… between EVERY big fight, and sometimes even my entire wardrobe … you basically have to when you’re not a just another worthless “Bear+LB backliner”. Thieves in PvE seem to have it even worse, I rarely see them getting “bored” with things being too easy/rote…

I don’t think It’s necessarily the skills, I think it’s just some of the classes ended up being way too linear. Mesmer & Warrior especially (though Guardian also gets boring quick just b/c it’s too easy by being too VIABLE without ever changing up its loadout ever)

Way, way too linear. Especially thief how you are mostly using one button with the occasional 5 and 1 again woopty freakin doo. Most thief builds utilize a rotation of 1 button. Quite sad, and most definitely boring.

I completely disagree with ANets whole ‘spam 1 and only use other skills in certain situations’ philosophy they seem to have now.

I’m not asking for WoW DPS rotations, but kitten it is just way too simple right now. But again, this is because of the casuals. Apparently it was too difficult in GW1 to make your own builds and actually manage skill use. ANet officially touched on that, and I 100% disagree with it. Gamers are just way too lazy these days.

Everything has to be so mind numbingly easy a 3 year old can do it.

I could let my 4 year old niece play my ranger and she’d do decent DPS because all shortbow requires is letting your 1 go off, in WoW on the other hand she couldn’t possibly excel in any way at all because a complex rotation is required to get the ball rolling.

For ‘action combat’ (lol) this is pretty lame, maybe let us have interesting combo systems like the assassin in GW1 but instead they butchered that into a thief.

The game has endless potential but ANet refuses to expand on, or even comment on their incredibly mundane skill system. We don’t even have build templates after over a year. I mean really… so pathetic. Not to mention we have to pay to change builds now, oh I’m sorry I thought you didn’t want to be like other MMOs, ANet? I never had to pay to change builds constantly in GW1.

The issue with not being able to switch out skills on your bar has also not been touched or commented on that I know of, in over a year. Let’s say I play a BS thief, I have literally no use for death blossom so it’s a completely wasted skill on my bar. AMAZING design if I do say so myself.

This has been complained about since beta, there is zero variety in gameplay for a lot of the classes. Sure you can scream Ele and Eng, but what else can experience that type of play? Thief sure can’t.

TL;DR game too braindead easy and boring.

Junkpile.7439:

Problem is that sPvP rewards are too good. sPvP bags are like best reward in whole game.

Vouch, they really need toned down.

sinzer.4018:

I don’t want a healer role i want complex and unpredictable AI so that people might think of taking something other than full on damage.

Blasphemy, we need more 1hit KO boss attacks and an army of trash mobs that use the same predictable attacks over and over and over, and over, and over and over. Also, add more HP. I want to attack an elite for 5 minutes straight to get a white or possibly a blue item.

Galphar.3901:

silvermember.8941:

Im Mudbone.1437:

silvermember.8941:

They keep saying they wont be an expansion, but I am pretty sure NCsoft (and wisely) force them to make an expansion. To me, an expansion is away to reset the game and try and get back some of the people that might not be paying attention.

NCsoft is the reason we have all the garbage crap in the game, like the Gem store, RNG and the like, if NCsoft has it’s way we may never see an expansion, It’s ANET that would do the deed and release one, but, since NCsoft is pulling the strings, again, we may not

Ncsoft is also the reason they guild wars 1 and 2 were MADE and Release, so what’s your point. Most companies wouldn’t have taken the risk for gw1 and if gw1 wasn’t made 2 wouldn’t be made. So ultimately, your point is moot and is spoken out of ignorance for reality. If you want to see a real cash shop go play Swtor.

unlike you I have no beef with Ncsoft or the cash shop. See the difference between YOU and ME is that I am not affected by any of the RNG crap nor do I care if it affects everyone.

Yes NCSoft is the reason these two games were funded and published. What you need to remember is that NCSoft was just the PUBLISHER of GW. Meaning they had NO say in the content or how the game was run. Looks like they decided to take a bigger hand in the developement of GW2 tho, hence the Gem Store, Gear Progression, ect.

The people that were in GW1 development are either long gone or don’t deserve to be mentioned for obvious reasons.

I don’t even think the people that founded ANet are there anymore, and we were losing devs in GW1 during GW2’s development to work on other games.

Either they just wanted something new, wanted to expand their career, or didn’t like the direction guild wars was going.

Kinda sad that the few ex-Blizzard employee’s that founded ANet created GW to be different and unique turned out to make an amazing game and it all went in the trash with GW2.

Vayne.8563:

It’ll be doing fine in a year or two as well.

Oh Vayne, you and your infallible factoids.

TheDaiBish.9735:

Mathias.9657:

Nah, more zerg content.

Because you can zerg Tequatl, and you don’t need any sort of organisation, right?

Don’t know, is it actually hard now? Difficult to believe that ANet released something that isn’t just pure zerg gameplay.

I’m assuming loot is still garbage though?

I quit after that pathetic LS open world attacks by whatsherface and her billions of minions, tired of my bags being filled in minutes with pure trash.

Kinda sad how it’s way too hectic and difficult to see individual corpses to loot what you want instead of having to spam F. I find it hard to believe this has changed.

Sanduskel.1850:

Mathias.9657:

I’m completely underwhelmed, all you posted was some fluff and meh balances. Cool, you’re going with the anti stealth route. Congrats on making S/D the only viable thief build in the years to come, ANet YOU SO SMART TEEHEE!

I think it’s even more silly you tied that mechanic to a ranger – who is almost impossible to backstab thanks to pet eating 90% of them because your targeting is absolutely atrocious. On top of their perma regen and protection I may as well just roll a ranger. Forgive me if rangers have been nerfed, last I played they were unkillable by a BS thief if they knew what they were doing. Hell they seem to have more evades than a thief.

I guess you’ll listen to thief QQ but ignore every other glaring issue with the game that players are crying about. I’m impressed, continue the amazing work.

If you can’t bs a ranger, you need to l2p. I find it easy on my thief. Rangers are pretty easy to kill in WvWvW. Seriously, L2p

I’m not talking about W3.. and my point is they are killing stealth off more and more making only 1 viable build playable. I can kill a ranger but not if they’re good, not on D/D. Of course you play WvW so you are against a bunch of pve heroes.

S/D is already ridiculous and the only viable competitive build a thief has, I’m talking real pvp here.

Allie Murdock.8152:

Alright, I wasn’t going to post here, but I want to stop you all in your tracks in thinking that this post was in any way made or prompted by ArenaNet. That is simply not true.

It looks like Caine here is trying to reiterate things we have already messaged, but go largely ignored, as well as sharing his/her experience in the community.

Thank you all for taking the time to share your concerns.

You guys seem to be really proud of doing absolutely nothing. You reply to a lot of threads, sure, maybe you even send that feedback to the pvp devs. But does anything actually change in the game? Nope… so you keep on trying to fill us with false hope, simply throwing a red ANet reply into a thread isn’t going to fix the game. You guys fixing the game is going to fix the game.

But yeah guys, let’s keep it constructive and informative so we can continue going ignored while ANet agree’s with people like OP and imagine in their own little world the game is completely fine and they’ll take our suggestions ‘into consideration’ LOL.

My question is, why don’t the pvp devs take a moment out of their day to read the pvp forums themselves and realize what a plague and letdown spvp is. I mean, they obviously have no clue what the hell is going on so that would be a start.

There are countless, COUNTLESS threads with very constructive suggestions and even solutions to the problems with the game but apparently those don’t exist. I guess we’re delusional, guys.

tronjeremy.5820:

It’s becoming a huge circle of giving feedback seeing little to no result, angry comments, then people saying we should calm down and give productive feedback and it starts over again.

I want to be positive, but I don’t think ANET will act on anything big in pvp until it hits rock bottom. So I say we keep giving our angry feedback and throw keep speaking out till we see some action or real effort on their part equal to Tequatl and Super Adventure Box. I think it’s complement to see angry posts because it means that people love the game, and would like to see it head in the right direction.

>Implying pvp hasn’t hit rock bottom..

This thread will be ignored by ANet.

I’m completely underwhelmed, all you posted was some fluff and meh balances. Cool, you’re going with the anti stealth route. Congrats on making S/D the only viable thief build in the years to come, ANet YOU SO SMART TEEHEE!

I think it’s even more silly you tied that mechanic to a ranger – who is almost impossible to backstab thanks to pet eating 90% of them because your targeting is absolutely atrocious. On top of their perma regen and protection I may as well just roll a ranger. Forgive me if rangers have been nerfed, last I played they were unkillable by a BS thief if they knew what they were doing. Hell they seem to have more evades than a thief.

I guess you’ll listen to thief QQ but ignore every other glaring issue with the game that players are crying about. I’m impressed, continue the amazing work.

Peetee.9406:

Generally the conversation goes like this:

Friend: “What have they added since I left in May?”
Me: “Well, nothing that you can do.”
Friend: “What do you mean?”
Me: “Well, they added this, this, and this but they took it out of the game 2 weeks later. It’s part of their living story.”
Friend: “Seriously?”
Me: “Yeah”
Friend: “That’s the stupidest kitten thing I’ve ever heard!”
Me: “Yeah, I know.”

I’ve tried to talk to Colin about his faulty logic in LS and how it’s a terrible design but meh, they don’t listen.

Nah, more zerg content.

marnick.4305:

Rejected unanimously by the GW1 veterans.

Who don’t matter to ANet at all, hence we will get a level increase.

Vayne.8563:

Mathias.9657:

And still people laugh at me when I say GW2 is a billion times more grindy than WoW. Clueless dolts… ANet and its players needs to wake up, this game is essentially a korean grind F2P MMO as it stands. There is little difference, I may as well go play Aion or any other free MMO on the market with ridiculous cash shops and RNG everywhere and everything. And before you tell me to quit, I have. My last post was 2 months ago, I came back to see how the game is doing and ANet have done literally nothing.

I don’t know. I’ve played Aion. I don’t remember getting best in slot weapons in a week or two. Maybe I’m nuts.

Oh no I wasn’t saying that, Aion was grindy as hell, not sure how it is nowadays though. I played it on launch and even leveling was ridiculous. But hey, nice to see my favorite fanboi is still around

Edit: I just got what you’re saying, I thought you were saying Aion wasn’t grindy. We both know what I’m talking about when it comes to GW2 grind though. I’m not gonna go in circles with you.

And still people laugh at me when I say GW2 is a billion times more grindy than WoW. Clueless dolts… ANet and its players needs to wake up, this game is essentially a korean grind F2P MMO as it stands. There is little difference, I may as well go play Aion or any other free MMO on the market with ridiculous cash shops and RNG everywhere and everything. And before you tell me to quit, I have. My last post was 2 months ago, I came back to see how the game is doing and ANet have done literally nothing.

It’s so sad how a once great company has fallen, like every other… what is that quote?

You either die a hero or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain

No, they failed.

With the over the top ridiculous amount of particle effects in the game, and watching your opponent cast an attack in any sort of AoE field being nigh impossibru, I would expect either 1) A particle slider, or 2) cast bars.

I saw a topic a couple or maybe a few months ago when I was still playing but I just up and quit for a while due to this games terrible pvp. When WoW is better even with its insane CC trains you know there’s a problem.

While we’re at it, has anything been done to the condition meta? I know they were waiting for that tournament to end and leaving us all to suffer before any changes would go through, so did they? Necro’s still unkillable gods etc?

Are rangers still impossibru to kill what with their perm regen prot OP pets and more evades than a kitten thief?

Thanks bro’s. I was considering re downloading the game I want to hear your honest answers, no rage. I’m assuming no new modes of course?

I wanna know how thieves are doing as well, is it still s/d spam 3 meta or has backstab made a comeback?

Edit: Anything about asura body size being scaled?

I don’t think MLG have ever played this game… /scratch head

Colin your view for temp content is flawed, temp content is horrible, period. You can’t go back and experience that content/story after its time limit is up. How is that remotely good in an MMO? Imagine if WoW had all temporary content and quests, dungeons, raids were just removed after a couple weeks no one would know wth is going on or that they even existed before.

Terrible design. Your attempt at being different is just ridiculous to a point that you guys had to go backwards in MMO development like removing heal, support, etc. You want to be “different” so bad that you are willing to REFUSE adequate content in your so called full fledged MMO?

Amazing. I never had a dev team make my blood boil so bad, I really think you guys are clueless. Where is 2006 ANet… please come back, please.

GW2 is a PVE game.

Are you kidding, this bothers you but the fact dailies give way too many AP doesn’t? A full completed daily should reward 2 points at most, doing a daily isn’t some big deal and no one will ever be able to get on the level of people that did them since day 1. Pretty fair, right? At least you CAN go play GW1 and get those points.

ANet have no clue how an MMO achievement system should work though, and while I understand your frustration they will do nothing but make it worse for you down the line I’m sure.

That silly quote keeps echoing in my head “we don’t make grindy games” yet you are literally required, from day 1, to do every single daily task to get max AP. Lol it’s obvious they have no idea how an MMO should function, too bad no one on their dev team played an MMO before.

Btw 500 points is nothing compared to the daily issue mentioned.

If I had 1billion dollars I’d just buy GW1 and hire a dev team.

The fanboi is strong with this one lol. I don’t care who you talk to Vayne, I aced English and Colin said what he said, you just throw your own silly interpretation in there and call it fact. I want whatever pixie dust you’re on.

I’ll give you an example of how ludicrous you sound. Colin: “I like potatoes.” Vayne: “Clearly he meant cherries, trust me I studied English and I talk to news reporters”

Whatever was said in that manifesto is 100% lies and deceit. End of story. GG no re

TBH, I and many others didn’t want change. ANet did… so I will personally hold it against them because it irks me to no end – they had the success recipe and threw it away. Why? Is being different really that important? GW was already incredibly different to other MMOs. No need to go and butcher tried and true GW mechanics, alas that is what they did.