I used torch for some time and its really good for 1v1. The extra stealth makes you almost untouchable in duels but the torch-phantasm is so useless (my oppinion). The extra block/daze and a second powerfull phantasm are more usefull in a average fight.
Another thing is that the sword and pistol phantasm spawn at different distances from the enemy. It makes it much harder for the enemy to aoe both down at the same time.
One of my guild mates has a full exotic engineer and he says he can kill groups of lowbies with the autoattack skill of the grenade kit. Its not the thief its the scaling of lowbies that needs to be buffed.
Its not only in WvW, I played some PvP with my guild mates. I played a stealth heavy mesmer. They said that I was invisible most of the time and sometimes they only knew that I was here was because phantasms spawned out of nowhere.
How to beat a mesmer? Dont run a cookie cutter burst build. Thats it. For example if I get attacked by one of those cookie cutter backstab thieves I just hit one of my blocks a second after he stealthed. It completly screws his build he has no chance to use his burst combo. The mesmer profession basicaly hard counters one trick burst specs of any class.
So what should you do? Run something with some defense and that is not build around using one skill or combo.
It is just you. Mesmers are the only profession that can come close to thief mobility, and the only other profession I won’t have a >95 % catch rate on, but in the end they aren’t more mobile, especially if you’re running sword/shortbow.
Mesmer have the worst mobility in the game beside necros. Do you actually play one? One of the major disadvantages of a mesmer is that he cant kill people that run away. The only two options of a mesmer to close a gap are focus 5 and blink. No one uses focus in tPvP and blink is a stun breaker so you usually dont waste it on a running enemy.
If you manage to get out of range of a mesmer so he cant stun you with pistol (assuming that he uses it) you can just run away.
Its a hybrid build that uses shatter/conditons/phantasms. Its a glass cannon but I think as a mesmer you can afford low def stats. The 10 points in chaos are not important and I usually swap the utility skills to counter the enemys we face. If you want to run something similar with more def just swap amulet/jewel but I would at least try to get 30% crit.
That with the Clones gives me an idea for a funky Elite:
Illusion Mastery
For 15 seconds, your Clones are real instead of illusionary, having health equal to your own and causing full damage with their attacks. 180s CD
This’d probably require a nerf to Clone Dodging, though.
I feel like im the only mesmer on my server that uses that combination. I think it works good with every build exept maybee a 100% condition one. Its really fun try it out
A few things wrong here. An intelligent player won’t let this happen. They will have enough condition removal to prevent it or will use clever dodging and crowdcontrol to keep a combo from happening in the first place. Second, and it has been mentioned before yet chosen to be ignored, why should I work so hard to get such a mediocre return? Why would I bother setting up an elaborate Rube Goldberg device to catch a rabbit when I can just walk up and bash its skull in with a rock? Far less can go wrong with a rock and I’m not completely SOL if something does go wrong.
I run a power/condition hybrid and confusion is very powerfull. Its very easy to force people to use skills even if they dont want to. They need to kill my phantasms if they want to win but at the same time get damaged by confusions. If they use condition removers it means they use time dealing with the conditions, the phantasms will deal damage. The scaling of phantasms makes them hit hard even in hybrid build. If the enemy decides to do nothing so the confusion wears of I have tons of time to do whatever I want.
I play such a build because phantasm/power builds are boring as hell, at least for me. I played my mage in WoW with a fire not frost spec in arena so I guess im not the cookie cutter type of guy. The other reason is that a hybrid or condition mesmer cant be hardcountered so easily like a pure power/phantasm build with aoe spam.
I dont think its ok to make confusion spammable with scepter. A well timed confusion stack already can almost instakill squishy professions like thieves and elementalists. With a easy confusion stack option you could completly shut down any none vitality stacking build in the game.
People that say confusion builds rely on your opponent beeing braindead dont play it right. You need to FORCE situations in which the enemy has to use skills to survive but at the same time has like 5 stacks of confusions on him.
Nothing better than forcing a thief to use some escape/stealth skills to run aways and see him put in downed state because the only option he had was doing nothing.
@mayama if your talking to me, then you didnt read my post, or your so blinded with thief hate you couldnt comprehend it, at no point did i say 20k burst in 2 seconds was ok or justifiable, i instead outlined how its possible and what the REAL culprits are (assassins signet and 6 stacks of fury combo, plus more probably)
take a breath, regain some of your unbias logic, and try again
I meant the general attitude of some people on this forum that think its ok that such burst even exists.
So I made a thread in which I told people that I exploited server lag to get a huge advantage in WvW zerg fights and the majority responses with: Stop crying about mesmers, you are so dump and lost to a good “tactic” etc etc.
Well I guess thats what you should expect from an internet forum, full of puperty and bitter people…
If you agree with having 20k burst out of stealth in 2 seconds I guess you wont have a problem if they buff mesmer damage so I can do the same with my main.
So, you’re telling me, the enemy zerg was more organized, and portaled into your zerg before you thought of portaling into their zerg, and you’re complaining about it? And you’re a mesmer? It’s like a mind trip trying to figure out how bad you have to be to blame others for your lack of skill and coordination.
If they can do it to you, you can do it to them, so get better.
If you dont understand why I made this thread than dont post, especially if its only random assumptions and flames.
You can also kill the Mesmer that blinks in the enemy zerg. lol. Mesmers die all the time attempting this tactic, but no one remembers or talk about the unsuccessful attempts.
It’s like all the Awesome thief videos, and then they come here and complain how easy they die when they do get hit.
Are you aware that you can go invisible, blink into the enemy zerg and place the portal?
My main is a mesmer I didnt post this so I can whine about mesmers, I did it because right now its almost (well no one breaks a rule) a exploit that abuses a server render problem.
Mesmer blinks into an enemy zerg, uses portal, baaaam 50 invisible enemys lagging and killing the kitten out of your zerg. No way to counter it because the server needs sometimes almost a minute, no exaggeration to render the enemys which spam aoe into your zerg. The problem is not the portal or the ammount of people you can port its the abuse (and yes its an abuse) of a server problem.
Thats wierd.
Cause got almost same spec as u except :
i5-2410M CPU at 2,3GHZ with hyperboost to 2,9GHZ and my minimum fps in towns/crowded areas is 40… while in WvW 20
Oh and im playing on medium settings.
Strange is that my laptop handle game better then my main computer >.>
I have a i7-2630QM and the same gpu and I have LOWER fps something is really wrong with this game
Yeah I agree if you think a not nerfed necro was squishy than you never played one, the nerf was justified they just overnerfed it. In one of the first beta test you could build necros in a way that you need a whole raid to actually kill them. I remember that I was able to jump into a 20 man zerg in WvW do some damage and come out alive just by running away into my own zerg. It was really OP.
gw2 PvE dungeons force you to teamplay at least the explorer mode versions. You dont run into those with a random build. You tinker and theorycraft a team that works.
the assassin profession shouldn’t be allowed to maximize their damage in a short period of time?
By that logic I could say that the thief class should do the least amount of damage. Tiny daggers are harmless compared to a sword the size of a man or fireballs.
We on kodash have alot of former riverside players because they couldnt stand the queue. Riverside beats us on a regular basis. So its not always this way.
Its not only condition necros, condition engis and mesmers need this set too. Because all those builds apply conditions on crit. So basicaly the “big 3” condition builds in the game need to work twice as hard to get their gear.
Well lets say it this way, when my mesmer was lvl20 I could enter WvW and stomp people in full exotic lvl80 gear, when my necro was lvl20 I hoped that nobody targets me in the enemy zerg.
Hey man, don’t worry. Once you learn to master death shroud, your lackluster fears will become stronger than those of the other classes.
Its already a running gag on my server, I guess in the whole community. Warrior dies to some other class in WvW. Posts in chat “wtf A killed me in 2 sec…” 3 or more people reply “did you use death shroud properly?”
A thief killed me 5 min ago in WvW with fear, yes fear. He killed me in those 3 seconds that the stolen fear lasts. You know a fear that is longer and easier to handle than every fear I have as a necromancer. Its really humiliating in some way. I read somewhere that anet said that necromancers are the kings of fear like for example mesmers are the kings of confusion. Its like a bully beating the crap out of you and screaming “dont hit yourself”. Its a freaking joke.
