That’d be great if your being there actually meant something. One of the great advantages of having your own instance (ala GW1) is that successes and failures are based solely on you and your team.
So basically you want to play a single/co-op game.
Now tell me. Why did you buy an MMO?
You mean dumbing down the game…yeah thats progress. There are no roles just DPS now how interesting /yawn. Hope you don’t get focused fired…cuz you’ll die and get revived /yawn. See your buddy getting destroyed? Watch him die and revive him /yawn.
Like any sports team everyone should have a role and strengths and weaknesses. It makes coordination, team composition, and strategy necessarily which creates a challenge and makes the game interesting.
Not sure what anet was thinking. Hope no one ever follows there example To be fair I have always thought having “one” tank was ridiculous….but now there should be specializations and support roles and hybrids to fill the gaps. Not just DPSers.
I think it would be nice if there was something like the Zaishen bounty from GW1, where it gives you a daily boss to kill for a nice reward. Have the new Zaishen bounty set bounties on bosses in the non-popular dungeon paths.
Honestly the term horizontal progression doesn’t even make sense. You’re NOT progressing. Why are you so against giving the people who enjoy working towards something more difficult (and I don’t mean through getting better gear) something to do. GW1 (which was advertised as more of a PvP game than GW2), had a far better end game than GW2, which is sad.
So why is it so bad that people want dungeons that progressively get more challenging, instead of the current mess we have where dungeons just seem randomly thrown together? And why can’t I have raids? Let the gear requirement stay the same, but a 10 man instance in this game seems like it would be amazingly fun. And why can’t I have DEs that actually LEAD TO SOMETHING? All those things could be in the game and you can still run around like akitten harvesting pumpkins and “horizontally progressing.”
Well I think GW2’s endgame is better than GW1’s which was just playing the same content but against buffed enemies, and which you could basically afk and let your heroes do it for you if you used the right builds.
Or waiting for that PUG that never comes cause everyone only does speed clears in the elite areas.
I don’t understand why dungeons have to become progressively harder? Or how that would make them more fun?
There is no raids, because ArenaNet decided on having a 5-man party would be the best to create balanced challenging content for.
I don’t know what you mean by DE’s having to lead to something? They already do…
I don’t care for the dungeon gear (besides SE chestpiece), but just do it for the challenge and for fun team content. Also the cash reward is pretty good.
The “problem” with armour variety is that the majority of it is from crafting, karma or dungeons. If you want cool looking armour from random mob drops, it’s not going to happen.
Actually, the only light armor set I like comes from random drops. :P
The light armour looks good… the medium and heavy not so much.xD
Already been outside the zone’s borders on several maps. Also managed to somehow get behind walls in some places. Other times I just fall into a pit I can’t go out of.xD
The problem is that you join a group that farms dungeon. These kind of people are always the worst to deal with (I know from experience).
I’ve ran plenty of dungeon PUGs with nice and cool people that don’t play the game as if it’s srs bsns but just for the fun of it.
I’d recommend to try to find a dungeon group that isn’t farming, or join a guild that does dungeons for fun and challenge.
The “problem” with armour variety is that the majority of it is from crafting, karma or dungeons. If you want cool looking armour from random mob drops, it’s not going to happen.
I think it only happens when the party leader leaves.
Like one time I was doing a dungeon. We had 2 people that went afk without saying anything. We kicked one, recruited another without problem. Then kicked the other guy and the whole dungeon reset…
Anyways, if it has to do with the party leader leaving, it would at least be nice to somehow know who is the party leader…
Explain why Anet decided to put levels in the game, as well as gear rarity or gear stats that increase with levels, or why traits/skills are tiered/locked. It’s simple, progression and achieving upgrades feels good. Exploring is great and all but so is progression, and having both = Why RPG’s rock. This is why leveling up a char by 100%’ing zones (like I am) will always be more fun than doing so at 80.
Levels aren’t there for just progression reasons.
They’re also tools to set the pacing of a game. Which why you don’t use utilities before level 5, so players get time to get used to weapon skills before diving into utilities. Same goes for weapon-swapping.
Utilities are tiered to prevent overload of choice on players. Having to choose from 30 skills is pretty intimidating to a lot of players. Limiting it to 10 per tier is much more do-able.
Traits are tiered because without tiers everyone would pump in 10 points in all the lines and pick out the best traits in each line.
And “explorers” being “hostile” on these forums might have to do with the fact that we finally have a game that focuses so much more on horizontal progression at endgame, rather than vertically like most games do. There’s like 1000’s of MMO’s with steep vertical progression, can’t we just have 1 game with more horizontal progression?
I don’t understand why they don’t let people pick the stats when buying a dungeon piece. The current way pieces are sold is so impractical and just clutters the vendor interface.
If it sold just the skin, then players would be able to pick one free stat choice for their set (based on the insignias used in crafting). First time only, of course.
1. Then people would be forced to run one dungeon, before being able to get to the next one. If I wanted the gear given by the dungeon at the end of the chain I’d be forced to first go through 7 other dungeons I might not be interested in doing. That’s not fun. It’s annoying.
2. No server broadcasts… EVER.
No one outside the group that beat the boss cares what you just killed.
No, we don’t need some sort of gear progression. YOU need some sort of gear progression, and you’re playing the wrong game.
The dungeons are fine in difficulty. If you want to play the harder paths, get friends or join a guild that runs dungeons for the challenge.
You aren’t playing it right if you feel there isn’t much ways for your improvements to matter if all you think is gear. Your improvements will matter if you’d focus more on your own playing skills.
I’ll just say this was one of the least enjoyable bosses I’ve seen in a dungeon so far. Conditions are used on so many skills, I resorted to just spamming 1, dodging his attacks and ressing people.
Needless to say, bashing on a thing for 20 minutes auto-attack only ain’t much fun. Maybe if they lowered his HP to half of what it’s now, or make him a silver mob it would’ve been better…
I also feel extremely sorry for any party that attempted this boss, got him down to 3/4 or less HP then party wiped and had him reset health.
The best way to prevent this sort of spam is to make it a reportable offence.
Allow players to report others for spamming the chat with trade messages.
Also when a player attempts a WTS/WTB message in chat it should be ignored, and show up a message for that player that says “Don’t post WTS/WTB in chat, instead learn to use the trade post”.
Seriously, a LFP tool would be a great improvement.
The current way to find parties for things is extremely limited and annoying (especially with the spam filter that blocks messages after a few times).
If only we had a tool similar to the one that was in Guild Wars 1. A window you can open, select what type of content you want a team for, and be able to write a line for more details on what you are looking to do.
This would save time writing LFP messages in chat.
It would free up chat from those LFP messages.
Another thing is the LFP status (the one you can set via friends list). It’s nice and all, but without people having any idea what you are LFP’ing for it has no real use. It needs to allow people to write a line what they are LFP’ing for, and have that show under their name when you select them (where title currently goes).
If throwing yourself at enemies bothers you that much, why not restart the whole mission when you die? I mean, it gives you the option to when you die… so if that’s what you prefer, why don’t you use it?
Is death penalty working? I’ve done many personal story missions and a lot of times i ended up naked but still manage to finish it. There is a message that I have DP but i never noticed my HP getting lowered because of DP.
Death penalty means you start with less HP next time you get downed. If you got downed 3 times within a minute, the next time you are instantly defeated.
Thing is… how do you make an open world boss difficult without resorting to cheap shots (dodge the 5 zone-wide circles within 1/4 second or get 1 hit defeated) or make it in a way that only an organised party (like a guild on voicechat) can take them out?
When you have 50 random people in a place, it’s almost impossible to do so. The problem is also that it’s too many people in one place to make things clear on WTH exactly is going on.
I guess the best thing for these events are to force the groups to split up into smaller groups. Like to be forced to defend/attack several points at the same time or else the event will fail.
When you’re below level 80 you barely need to ever repair your gear, cause you find better pieces so often it’s just not worth the money to repair.
Also if you play more carefully you’ll die less, which means less repair costs.
Unfortunately it was to be expected, and there isn’t much to be done about it.
People will always go for the easiest way to do things. A few weeks or months from now all the easy paths will have been discovered, and those paths will be the only thing people will ever be running.
The best solution to this might be for ArenaNet to buff the popular paths so much in difficulty that they’re at least on par or harder than the other 2 paths, or maybe nerfing the other 2 paths a little to make them more attractive.
Of course then people would find the next favourite path to go, so it’d be an endless cycle of ArenaNet buffing and nerfing paths every month or so to force people to do something else.
At first I sort of liked/disliked them, wasn’t really sure.
But now I like them. They offer a good challenge and a chance to put your skills to the test. Which is why I started posting here more to make people understand that it might take a few tries to get it.
I dont understand how people can find the dungeons here easy. What have you been playing before this that was actually comparable to these dungeons?
In all seriousness i’ve raided end game content that was easier.
THe problem with these dungeons is that there is NO introduction, the abilities of the bosses are way to hard to grasp unless you are being walked through them or know them allready. The guys saying oh lolz this is easy, not its not. Its hard, uts unrewarding and its ruining the fun of the game. YOu alrleady know the dungeon, ehck you most likely found the best spec for your class online and then went on to study every single pull in videos on the net. Well thats not fun nor rewarding in any way, thats just doing it.
Make a vid of you doing a dungeon you dont allready know at the difficulty of AC explorable mode with a class you havent read up on online before doing it.
This content REEKS of wow end game raiding. You have to study before playing for fun.
Everyone needs to run around with the same build to be able to survive. You cant make your own character the way you want because that just doesnt fit the meta of wow mmo’s.
The dungeon system in any mmo is make it or break it for me. This broken thing just…. broke it for me and my friends. We went away from wow because we where tired of raiding. We dont want to continue that here. And pvp is boring :/
This is not true at all.
Any player using common sense and playing experience can run a dungeon.
Common sense including:
-Don’t spec in offence only
-Use your dodge wisely
-Know your skills and weapon swap wherever needed
-Be willing to adapt to the situation (if a mob keeps chasing you, focus more on snares and knockbacks)
-Don’t treat dungeons as mindless DPS zergfests. Work with your teammates. Use support and res downed people.
I never looked up guides or builds online. I run my own build that I use everywhere in PvE, join PUGs for dungeons, never looked up a guide for a dungeon.
The only difference for me in dungeons is that I use staff instead of dual dagger as Elementalist. Bring a different Elite skill. And maybe a different utility if it seems needed somewhere in the dungeon.
On Elementalist I prefer power, cause we don’t have all that much conditions. Maybe consider using condition damage if you spend most of your time in fire and earth?
Dungeons are completely optional.
If you have trouble beating dungeons, level up more. Unlock more traits. Get better gear. Learn to play your profession better (try different weapon sets and utilities). Spec more into defensive stats.
When I did Ascalonian Catacombs the first time as a level 35 or so I thought it was friggin’ hard. Taking up my own advice I went back to the dungeon later and completed it pretty easily dying a lot less than my first time.
The moral of the story is. Don’t quit after your first try. Take a break from it if you need. Think of what went wrong.
If you got owned by red AoE circles. Try to learn to dodge faster.
If you got 1-shot. Spec more into defence / bring more defensive skills and buffs.
If you as caster get constantly grabbed by melee, bring snares, blinds and knockbacks.
If you see your teammates making dumb mistakes, don’t yell or swear at them. Be patient and explain to them what they do wrong and how to do better.
Dungeons are not necessarily “optional”. Some (all?) are meant to be end game content, which means its one of the only NEW thing to do once you get to lvl 80, other than go farm stuff.
To those saying its mean to be played with friends or guilds: what about us that don’t have/want a guild or have friends who play (or even who play but aren’t on/appropriate level)? How the heck are we supposed to do the explorable mode for the achievements (or heck, even GRIND out the tokens for the armor sets)? It needs to be completable by a casual PUG group, since not everyone is “elite” as you?
I don’t have any friends that do dungeons. I don’t have a guild that does dungeons either. I just join a PUG and run explorable. Not one PUG I’ve joined has not been able to finish an explorable so far.
Yeah, our group died like twice before we got it right.
We just ran in all at the same time and unleashed hell upon them. Try to stay out of their AoE if you can. Res downed teammates. Use support skills.
I don’t know how to turn off the traps, but after we killed those riflemen at the end of the corridor the traps seemed to be disabled.
I haven’t done it yet, but seen people organising speed runs all the time in the zone. So yeah, I’m assuming it’s too easy if people speed run it already.
1. That’s not really true. Was running 2 explorables with another Elementalist in my team who ran a completely different set-up than I did and used a different weapon set. Sure it may not allow literally every build to work, there’s still enough freedom to give you choices.
2. I’ve learned by dying lots from this that being on the move all the time is extremely important in order to survive. Red circles generally appear in time and give you a little bit of time to react with a dodge.
Also there are multiple difficulties. Story-mode which is the normal version of the dungeon, and explorable, which is the hard mode version.
3. If you complete the dungeon you should be able to make a profit. Unless you really died a lot of times (15-20+ times).
4. No wonder you have problems with dungeons if you see it as just a mindless zergfest… The moment you see it as teamwork it’ll get better and more do-able for you.
Arah dungeon story-mode uninspired? WTH!?
That was better than any other dungeon I’ve seen. Finally a dungeon not in a cave or building. Getting to fight on an airship and take out massive dragons with cannons is FTW.
I’ve had at least 2 memorable dungeon bosses so far, and I haven’t even done a lot of dungeons yet.
The ghost boss in Ascalonian explorable that pulls players and whirlwinds was a pretty fun and exciting boss with a team.
Giganticus Lupicus was another awesome boss, in the Arah explorable. Especially awesome cause it was such a mystery creature in the original game.
Agreed. Waypointing is way too expensive.
It should (according to me XD):
-More about distance, rather than level
-Make waypoints in same area a lot cheaper
-Make waypoint cost depend on zone (low level zones costing much less)
As I just wrote in another thread, there is no need for a “tutorial dungeon”.
People generally aren’t dumb, but they like to play dumb so they can blame their failure on something else other than themselves (lol, even I do sometimes xD). If people were to analyse the reason why they fail at doing a dungeon the world would be a better place.
Analyse your mistakes. Learn from your mistakes. Adapt to the situation using your available skills.
If you’re below level 80 and find it too challenging, level up more. Unlock more traits. Get better gear. Buy more utility skills. Try out different weapon sets. Learn to play your profession better and more effectively. Use dodge more wisely.
If all that fails, it might be either you sucking at the game, or your teammates not having gone through the learn-to-get-better phase yet. If it’s your teammates doing it wrong, don’t yell or swear at them. Be patient. Explain to them what they do wrong. Tell them what they can do to be more effective. If you know the dungeon strategies from a previous run, share tactics.
Dungeons are completely optional.
If you have trouble beating dungeons, level up more. Unlock more traits. Get better gear. Learn to play your profession better (try different weapon sets and utilities). Spec more into defensive stats.
When I did Ascalonian Catacombs the first time as a level 35 or so I thought it was friggin’ hard. Taking up my own advice I went back to the dungeon later and completed it pretty easily dying a lot less than my first time.
The moral of the story is. Don’t quit after your first try. Take a break from it if you need. Think of what went wrong.
If you got owned by red AoE circles. Try to learn to dodge faster.
If you got 1-shot. Spec more into defence / bring more defensive skills and buffs.
If you as caster get constantly grabbed by melee, bring snares, blinds and knockbacks.
If you see your teammates making dumb mistakes, don’t yell or swear at them. Be patient and explain to them what they do wrong and how to do better.
I killed him in a PUG yesterday (admittedly 2 guys in my team knew what they were doing), and you certainly don’t need a full set of exotic gear to beat him, or use any consumables or +undead slaying stuff.
I only have 2 pieces exotic, and at least a few of my other teammates didn’t have (full) exotics either. 14K+ HP isn’t required. Yes, it’ll help, but not required. I was playing Elementalist at 11.5K HP and never got 1-shot by him.
Nonetheless, nice guide. Should be useful to people.8)
As for what he drops. Nothing special really. I got a white boots drop off him, and didn’t get anything worthwhile from the chests and boss after him either.
I just said this in my post
But what would of been awesome would be to get find an ancient weapon left in Orr by the Gods to be used against Zhaitan
Trahearne gets his ultimate weapon, I want Fiery Greatsword of Balthazar
Getting a Fiery Greatsword as item (not skill) would be friggin’ awesome.xD
Most of the unique stuff is sold at:
-Some karma vendors (just check any you come accross)
-Crafting (at least armour sets are completely different every 75 or so crafting levels)
-Dungeons (these are supposed to have their own unique sets)
Yeah, a lot of the higher level zones are broken. A few zones work pretty well, while others have so many broken DE chains I almost don’t dare to start a seemingly working one in fear of breaking more.
I found the story to be ok. I guess I had my expectations set low, and mostly enjoy it for what it gives me to do and the rewards at the end. The dialogue is bad, the characters are one-dimensional. Nothing really new here, it was to be expected. That said, I think the story was still enjoyable, and had some funny, cool and epic moments.
Most of your list of added features is either working as intended, not planned to get added or stuff reserved for future updates.
Quick question is it possible to have a playlist for individual cities (rather then a general city playlist) of each race? If so what are the exact names for creating these playlists.
Nope, the ones I listed are the only playlists that work.
