I don’t get why people are still complaining about DR. I farmed for about 8 hours+ per day for the past 2 days or so, and never hit DR. Since the patch that relaxed the DR system I have never hit it once.
My only complaint at present is that certain commodities (vanilla and certain wood types) are far too rare, and need to be adjusted or, in the case of Vanilla, added to a karma vendor.
Didn’t Ultima Online have a free market in so far as it was run completely by the players? I played that, and money wasn’t hard to come by and yet was never out of wack. Worked almost perfectly.
In my opinion if you killed a player you should get a token. It shouldnt be a chance thing, otherwise theres no real reward (on a personal level) to playing wvw, you may as well be playing sPvP.
This should have been fixed by now. Pretty sure its been in the game since the TP started working.
I dont see it as an exploit. It just means you wont get any loot for that event’s end other than the karma etc. Seems odd to call leaving one event to go do one you prefer doing an exploit :S
Working on Underworld (at least was working 30mins ago)
Many thanks! Finally have the full heavy set of armor that I wanted on my Guardian
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I want the last piece of armor from here (boots) but its currently blocked on my server (Far Shiverpeaks) thanks to the npc Magister Izzmek not starting the event to assault the temple.
Any servers have access so I can transfer and get it sorted please?
From the patch notes:
“Numerous items have been disabled for use in World versus World to prevent exploits and imbalances. This includes the Experimental Teleportation Gun, ettin gunk, drake eggs, seed turrets, and more.”
Probably includes keys for the jumping puzzles…
I’m beginning to wonder what Arenanet is going to do to fix these game breaking bugs, because at the moment they are game breaking for level 80 players.
I’m starting to think getting this game was a mistake with all the bugged/broken things in it.
Starting to get kitten off with this game because of so many broken dynamic events, especially this one where I want the armor from the karma vendor but cant because its blocked by this stupid asuran npc who wont start the event…..
The npc just says one line of text and nothing else. No way to start the event, even though it states that the Pact are preparing to attack the Temple of Melandru.
This is exceptionally irritating as I was about to purchase my last piece of Temple armor from there (boots) but now I cant as when I was going to buy it got hit with the patch and had to log out. Upon logging back in the Temple was contested and the event to gain access to the vendor is blocked
I’d transfer to another server to buy them, but Far Shiverpeaks is always full so I wouldnt be able to transfer back >.<
This is now happening on Far Shiverpeaks. The npc just says one line of text and nothing else. No way to start the event, even though it states that the Pact are preparing to attack the Temple of Melandru.
This is exceptionally irritating as I was about to purchase my last piece of Temple armor from there (boots) but now I cant as when I was going to buy it got hit with the patch and had to log out. Upon logging back in the Temple was contested and the event to gain access to the vendor is blocked
I like how they fix this after I get to 80 so I now only get a limited amount of crafting mats per day. How the hell do I make my exotics now?!? Will take me a lot longer than say that other guy in my guild who was 80 earlier than me who could farm the nodes every 4 hours before this change. Hardly seems fair >.>
Dunno what it is but when we fail this event I get less karma than when I fail any other event. Bit odd that.
Also its the adds that seem to cause the failure. They zerg the npc we’re supposed to protect, and they have an annoying mechanic that prevents them taking much damage, if any. If the mechanic was fixed or changed then this event would be slightly more doable.
The karma boosters work, the bonus karma doesnt get added to the event rewards shown on your screen, but it gets added passively.
If this is true, it should be implied on either the booster or the in-game buff. Strange that it wasn’t thought of.
I should point out that last night doing events in cursed shore, I gained more yellow items than I had ever before I think. Yes I was wearing full MF set, but no boosts at all.
Also I didn’t run into any DR for the first time actually trying to farm up some karma. If Arenanet has twigged some knobs somewhere in the code, then big thumbs up!
Cool. Nice to see, even though I dont do a lot of WvW, that the server I’m on (Far Shiverpeaks) is ranked 2nd in the EU
Glad we got a response finally!
Sad that it wont be fixed for upto 3 weeks :S
Seems bugged on Far Shiverpeaks EU. All the npcs are standing around just below the temple and not going anywhere.
Why do I get the impression that all the threads about this have been deleted/locked and everyone told to talk about it here so its out of the way, so no-one can see it?
Feels like its being swept under the rug. I really hope we get an answer on the subject soon. I’m starting to lose interest in playing knowing that there’s an invisible system in place to limit what I want to do in game.
Surprised this thread hasn’t been closed like the multitude of others.
Swept under the carpet.
I hope that the DR hasn’t been attached to resource nodes in the world, but at the moment I wouldn’t put it past Arenanet
I’ve recently heard that DR now affects world vs world. I haven’t done any WvW for a while, so I wouldn’t know, but is there any truth to this?
Farming is not the endgame. That’s a misunderstanding on some players’ part. Grinding is also not intended to be the endgame.
None of the long-term rewards in the game require farming or grinding. It’s only the impatience and entitlement mentality that lead players to attempt to find loopholes and tricks in the mechanics to gain all rewards in the shortest possible time. It’s that idea that everything has to be achievable in a short time that leads players to feel a necessity to grind or farm. I have to stop playing an enjoyable game, and start gaming the system in any way possible to maximize my rewards and efficiency. It’s a problem with players…not with the game.
If you just play, you’ll accumulate rewards. It’s meant to take time, and be fun.
I’m behind the DR system for many reasons. I’ve outlined them in recent threads. I think it’s in place as a socially-oriented gating mechanic…nudging players into exploring and taking part in the open world and social activities rather than holing up in one spot for maximum efficiency. It’s necessary because many of the loot acquisition gating mechanics that were in previous MMORPGs are not present in GW2…because it’s a new and different design with a different philosophy.
I think the people being affected are not providing clear evidence because they know what they are gaming the system. They are finding little tricks to avoid just playing and to gain loot faster, getting hit with DR, and coming here to complain and pretend they are pure as the driven snow. I don’t buy it. There very well might be some bugs, but if so…provide clear and complete evidence so that ArenaNet can fix those bugs.
All the rest is just overreaction, sensationalism and mob mentality, getting worked up and emotional without real facts…and probably at least some gold sellers who are trying to stir up trouble to make their lives easier in game.
When I hit the DR for the first time I was in no way farming dynamic events. In fact I was exploring the map of Blazeridge Steppes, getting all the POI, Vistas and such. All I did was do each event once when I was nearby.
What I don’t understand with the system is how are players supposed to use DE’s to level to 80? This feels a bit like a penalty to level, let alone gain karma etc.
Jason King said this while closing a recent thread on the subject of DR on DE’s:
“Hi everyone,
Thank you for your feedback about the diminishing returns system. As a reminder, we’re all about iteration and sincerely value your thoughts and opinions; we’ll provide more information on this issue soon. In the meantime, please direct your discussion to this thread so that we can keep this topic focused in one place. Thanks again!"
Hopefully this means we will get some answers sometime soon.
Proof that the DR system does actually exist
https://dviw3bl0enbyw.cloudfront.net/uploads/forum_attachment/file/6163/gw001.jpg
As you can see the person in the screenshot is actually doing heart events while an event is happening at the same location (its at one of the norn areas, cant remember the name) and has somehow hit the DR system even though he doesnt look to be farming events.
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So tell me how people have managed to get legendaries just before they added the DR system last patch. Because they’re supposed to take so long to obtain.
I truly don’t understand why or how people can defend this? And, yes.. it seems like you get hit harder the more magic find you have.
For me at least, it’s not defending it. I am simply stating I have not experienced it, and every time I ask someone to show me a video of an example, they don’t answer. So, I understandably have a hard time believing that people being affected a truly playing “normally”.
Prove me wrong.
Its hard to do video proof, as videos take up way more memory space than a simple picture (those are out there btw, even on this forum, you just have to look).
endgame haha, All the “End Game” chasers will be gone in a month or so. =P
A month? Didn’t they all just head back to pandaville?
Its because of the massive amount of karma/gold needed to obtain them, and the fact that there is an invisible wall in the way to prevent getting the needed karma/gold in the form of the diminishing returns code.
Its fine redirecting people to this thread from ones closed/deleted or whatever about the DR system in the dynamic event subforum, but not having a developer or any official Arenanet response is pretty heartbreaking
Its annoying that the game has no sub, because if it did we would have voted with our wallets by now…
I wont be bothering with a legendary from now on, and I most certainly wont be giving them anymore money via gems etc. until this is resolved.
This thread will be closed/deleted and the OP infracted just like I was yesterday. You aren’t allowed to “call out” arenanet or the devs on the forum.
Yeah, its kinda sad the way its all just being swept under the carpet at the moment. Its like they hope it will just go away or something.
Bet those karma boosters are selling really well right about now, huh?
Number 3 is what will happen, and then when people find out they will either happily keep playing or not bother and go play something else. Either way Arenanet wins as you bought the game in the first place. They’ve had your money already.
I was all for this game, as it was really good. Since they added DR into the game, however, I’ve started to lose interest. Very sad state of affairs.
Well my thread was deleted. I wont say what it was about as I dont want this thread to be deleted too.
It seems they are content to not comment on the DR on DE’s, which doesn’t really send a good picture to their playerbase, but hey, its their game. I haven’t touched the gem store, and I have no intention of doing so after today. I wonder how many others feel the same way.
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I’m currently in Iron Marches at 65% completion. Sofar all but 2 events are stuck. On average I’m making 1000 karma per zone. At this rate I’ll be buying t3 armor set 3 years from now.
That 1k will seem like loads once you get to Orr and hit the diminishing returns on events, and start to get lower rewards.
I approve of diminishing rewards. It pretty much derails the gains of botting.
If you knew how botters operate in this game, you’d know the DR system isnt working against them.
DR seems to affect WvW as well – I barely got any loot bags from it after the patch (normally my inventory fills up pretty quickly, but I only got like 4-5 items total after playing for 2.5 hours). A thief from my guild also noticed way less rewards, and he normally gets a TON.
Oh god, don’t tell me they’ve added their DR code to WvW as well…..
Words cannot describe how stupid this is getting.
Log off and go play something else I guess. That’s clearly what Arenanet wants their players to do. The funny thing is the karma boosters are now worthless, as you cant get the full duration out of them, so Arenanet basically shafted themselves out of gem store purchases :S
Why should I bother playing when my XP/Karma is capped to some low arbitrary setting when I want to play a lot
If you are playing for XP/Karma rewards, then you are by definition not enjoying yourself, but instead just seeking rewards. So why are you playing in the first place?
The DE karma reduction system is a stroke of genius. It has no effect whatsoever on people who play because they enjoy playing, but it has a huge negative effect on reward chasing behavior.
I want the gear from the melandru temple in Orr, because it has the stats that I cant get anywhere else (power, toughness and vitality), and I kind of need this set to do WvW, as my gear at the moment is all MF gear only with no vitality/toughness. I don’t want to get 2 shotted in WvW, and the set bonuses for the armour are a nice bonus. I don’t exactly farm karma, but after doing around 2 chain DE’s I hit the DR…..that is pretty laughable.
Defend severed breach from the flame legion – this is also bugged on Desolation server – stuck on 3/9 waves defeated.
Same on Far Shiverpeaks. I did find a way to complete the heart however, thanks to about 2-3 Alpine Skelks that spawn in the water with rubble behind the DE area, and you can still place artifacts in the crates (these are any items lying on the ground, such as hammers, bones and kegs etc).
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Confirmed not working on Far Shiverpeaks atm. Only one of the loggers is working as intended, so you have to wait for him to “die” to be able to get any progress through the heart event. Bria is stuck in the house so cant interact with her at all, swinging my sword through the wall gives me an “invulnerable” pop up.
Does ANet even read this forum? Was the thought behind this penalty to stop botters? This isn’t the way to stop botting. How about make players enter a captcha after a certain time period to prove they are a real human instead of penalizing the many for the actions of a few.
I am beginning to wonder if Arenanet even reads the Dynamic Events sub-folder of this forum. Not one comment on DE’s and their diminished returns. It really does make you wonder why they haven’t said one thing on the subject.
At the moment I have only done AC story mode. All the nightmare stories I have been hearing, both with other story modes and explorable modes, is putting me off bothering to even run another dungeon.
Add the Diminishing Returns on loot, dynamic events and even in dungeons and I’m beginning to wonder whether this game is even worth playing.
Still waiting for a Dev to properly comment on dynamic events and diminishing returns…
Ok, then yes a Dev should make a post to better clarify whether the DE DR is intended.
Fair enough, maybe with you reporting it they’ll answer it properly then. Hopefully.
Is the dungeon “diminished returns anti-speed clear tech” the same tech as whats currently causing issues with dynamic events?
Yes but the thread that the dev posted the link in is about DE’s and loot.