Guild Wars 2

No, character achievements for legendary should be just dropped by devs.

On higher tier play class swap is needed if your team comp is bad or enemy’s comp counters yours. In seasons like this when it’s easy to get in (lower divisions or lower mmr) vs 3 DH it would just force people to lose more games.

Doctor.1905:

Sometimes my opponents do this thing where they launch me up into the skies and kill me by fall damage. I always forget to activate my glider.

…em gilder? in graveyard so on legacy!?

skyhammer and capricon seems ok…

Coliseum hmm…

I wonder is it design flaw or on purpose map favours shadowsteping/teleporting builds. 2nd mechanics dosen’t work in op way like in other maps…I’m kinda mixed here…

Smooth Penguin.5294:

I think Druids have just a wee too much bunker in them. With a Toughness and Healing Power build, Druids can contest points for the whole match solo. When I’ve been fighting 1 v 1 using my Engi, I get him down to half HP, then poof, full heal. 5 minutes later, I need to call for backup because he just won’t go away. IMO, Druids are more OP than Dragon Hunters.

w8….meta build don’t have toughness…s/d setup don’t need it…are you sure you know what you are describing?

second why you are trying to kill bunker build with bunker build on his node?

katniss.6735:

Have you ever just sat at the login screen and just had a good long cry?

Nope…trying to avoid that by press rev/druid button

TheDevice.2751:

Every objective is easy.

- Node control: Traps. Easy. Just sit in traps while having incredible amounts of block uptime
- Mobs / Objective: Chief / Svanir or enemy Lords on Foefire, it doesn’t matter. Place a ton of traps on them and they die like instantly. They can’t survive 5 seconds of 2 DH traps.

Anet has made it incredibly obvious that they want you to play DH this season. You can do everything. Enjoy that EZ obtained Legendary all you DH pros! <3 <3 <3 <3

competitive pvp is so fun and balanced in this game!

Plz dude don’t confuse people – they will pick DH and get eaten by smokescales…

Most druids I bet are happy this season

there is a kinda ….problem

Most hard-core players don’t want pve players…they are just casuals for them…
That’s why people want to gate divisions and legendary backpice (legendary backpack is the reason why season 1 was such smash hit) and ad little elitism to ranked…
On other hand they fail to understand that pvp needs pve to sustain itself (less playerbase=longer ques).

The thing what is important for me is make this game easier TO LEARN. Hotjoins are mess, pro-esl community don’t share wisdom very much (few only stream, to few post here), there is no guides about what rotation is, counters, every thing is needed for noobie to learn hardway (so they pick easy builds ect ect).

Even I having 3 years experience have some problems: ele is bad condition now but I want to compete on the same fair level with other classes. So I decide to reroll for example rev but…my mrr isn’t low…to often I have to fight with pro-league in queues so how I can play safety new class or test new build without lowering my mmr? We all know hotjoins are bad and to chaotic (thank god we have wvw and roaming).

I think we could address things here more shorter: most players are extreme childish…

It’s ok map – why not?

TheDevice.2751:

Psilence.2859:

And here I was excited to finally play necro again. RIP the dream. sigh

PvP should not be balanced around taking away good options from stat combinations… if a build is too strong, the offending skills should be balanced, or counterplay skills buffed, not good choices taken away from all builds so that the strong builds are forced into sub-optimal stats to “balance” them.

Necromancer needs those stat combinations to be on par with other professions.

Necro needs defensive stats.. other professions have blocks, invulns, evades, invis, etc. All we really have is DS and we need to build it up to make use of it. It also scales off our own vit.

Necromancer is probably the most stat-reliant profession in the game.

,,Hahaahahaahaha XD lol" Yours faithfully – Ele comunity

Wolfric.9380:

Well did anny team run without druid and/or revenant ?

nope

morrolan.9608:

Only the 1st map of the final was good the rest were mundane. As for viewership it hasn’t improved at all its probably worse.

Could you back this with some numbers?

Saiyan.1704:

Some prerequisites for continuing on the Ascension path should be nulled if other requirements were met. For example (and these are just examples):

• Maintain a 60% win rate for two tiers in a given Division.
• Reach a 15 win streak.
• Reach Legendary with 250 games played or less. (the average for solo players)

I don’t see why people want to additionally gate legendary backpack. it’s totally pve reward and it’s main purpose is to keep ranked populated. The effect of requirements will be 1-2h queues in all league. Second: hard-core players don’t care about pve rewards so for them it’s no point gating either.

Rest seems ok.

cyyrix.6105:

Maybe toker on rev, phanta mes, chaith scrapper. In any case, hindsight is 20/20. It’s easy to look back and critique their plan knowing it didn’t work out.

So true man

FiveGauge.1357:

XGhoul.7426:

Kervv farmed Chaith in 1v1s to always decap him (sometimes beat him outright and always force a +1) and they never had a good chance to replace someone in the fight to 1v1 a mesmer with a theif teamcomp so they were always kitten. If they replaced someone else to 1v1 kervv they lose out on their teamfight potential, and 55 always took advantage of that.

Yeah you’re really biased, fighting Mesmer for 3 games straight and dying once before switching to Lyssa/Sneak Gyro in the first game – that’s all well and good, Mesmer wins every other matchup on the comp we ran so nullifying moa, portal plays, and holding a point neut was not a bad outcome.

I don’t say that’s not true:) I had much more fun watching your team then PZ but still…I think you should consider Mesmer in your roster in this meta :/.

Ninski.5680:

please remove dolyak rune, it’s OP as hell with menders amulet

….maybe you should explain why is op? I am dying to know what forced you to make such conclusion…

I remember when somebody from commentators asked Rank 55 member how to counter thief…
His answer: ,,don’t pay to much attention to thief"

I don’t know man…In season 3 they nerfed only few cooldowns on auras…in this season anet nerfed/change much more than that and removal of cleric happened. Maybe you should check patch notes or something?

And yes druids are much better in soloq and in proleauge. If I remember correctly every pro-team used druid in WTS (ok astral kinda used, and I didn’t seen Never Lucky match).

True in some matchup in soloq mender tempest will do it’s work against trapper DH, and heavy condi pressure teams but that’s it. Mostly of meta tier builds are pure power based or condi hybrids and ele without both toughness and healing power can’t survive most 1v1 without leaving team fights…without hard-damage-migrations skills that class lacks HORRIBLY it can’t use mender like DH or Druid and be on the same level of efficiency.

People talk a lot about cele but don’t talk about one big difference between UE and NA teams. UE = dominance of Mesmer. NA lacks expert tier Mesmer’s that are must-have like rev in current meta. Thief even great one can’t offer that much utilities and options to influence team fights, rotations and much more.

I think Astral is strong team and if ever something change to moa-portal mechanics they might fast get back to the top. Or they just find somewhere in NA good Mesmer.

It’s was fun…still anet has long road to make ESL watchable for less hardcore players but they are improving….viewship also seems to improve…I wonder how esl will look like when new elite specs will be released.

That last round Denial vs Rank 55…superb match.

Jay.3409:

A little background,
- Burst cannon
- High mobility
- Fast combo rotation ( like a rogue in WoW )
- decent survivability
- dont suck in duels? ( how warriors in WoW can’t win duels )
- Combo rotations don’t get dull after long hours of play
- High skill high rewards

This sounds so much power rev…you need both time and skill to use it to 100% but this is top must have build in any pro-team. Learning this class will be hard and you kinda can’t face tank every thing (face tanking is never considered good play no matter what you play… glass cannon or bunker build in GW2. There is DODGE for reason!). And sadly to say forget about ele;/…no hope for class for at least 1 more season.

Alin.2468:

Please stop all this nonsense hype.

Please note they did not manage to even introduce the new map properly. In WTS top players were set at the tables (in random order) to try the new map, then they set up 2 breaks of a about 7 minutes each to prepare for fight, and then out of nowhere they announced the trial will no longer take place because of technical difficulties in servers. And all that in a pre-announced and prepared official PVP streaming, with top players at the table, 2 days before official map release.

Now… let’s see the hype. Do you really think it will be that awesome?!

Yea…they kinda ruined it….

Dirame.8521:

Hehehe, it’s funny how you guys come out of the woodwork after you watch the WTS. Really, Warrior is fine. I believe it was some of you here who said Ele is bad because no team is playing it and all of a sudden Eles were being used in every team in this WTS. Wow, I wonder why… cos they certainly weren’t buffed in any of the recent patches.

So if YOU guys are the ones saying Warrior is bad and needs a buff… yea, I wouldn’t believe you even if you gave me a million pounds.

Thieves don’t need buffing, Warriors don’t need buffing. In fact, if you don’t see a Warrior replace Necros in the next WTSs, I’d be very surprised.

Ekhem 2/3 teams with ele’s where hard stomped (PZ, ASTRAL….I don’t know what had Never Lucky)

DENIAL used ele only to counter specific combo and players…not because it’s good.

WTS proved that this is the worst season for ele that is on bring of extinction thanks to druid/scrapper duo, nerfs, 0 build variety and no amulets havig both toughness and healing power (ele don’t have hard damage migration and almost every healing skill is garbage without stats).

Little WTS update: warriors kicked from meta, DH forgotten, most teams with ele lose…and yea…I am sorry for thiefs ;/

so again WHY SOMEBODY WRITES WE HAVE BALANCED META WHEN WE GOT ONLY 5 OPTYMAL BUILDS + ANET TRAP JOKE.

Vicky.4563:

It was obvious from the start. Literally first day you could tell Menders ele was still strong. You just can’t facetank like an idiot on node anymore.

Of course no one listened…

Your statement is oversimplification

In organised ts premade (especially with chrono) →your 60% right but you should take a note what’s works for Denial (previously know as TCG) doesn’t work for rest of world…PZ, ASTRAL had ele’s and where hard stomped. Ele worked because of Denials preparations to counter pro scrapper/necro combo – something that doesn’t happens in regular que. Other thing that they won previous championship with carrion warrior gs build and that didn’t end up in meta.

In solo q high ranked → horrible wrong and in this state will stay on the trash level even if people will start walking with Denial’s 5 shouts (bui..ekem…build).

One is sure…even after nerfs tempest is stuck even more in healbot role…

Kinda we knew that EU will win…still last fight tc…ups Denial vs Rank 55 was fun to watch….that few last seconds

mkay I see your point

I personally would like some awards that can help people craft legendary weapons like laurels or such that help pvp being more independent from pvp for example if somebody is pvp hardcore. It’s hard already as pure pvp’er to get gold for precursor and then craft legendary without pve grind. 2g from daily’s and and login-rewards made possible for me to get Ascension. I play this game almost 3 years and I am tired with pve, raids and it’s rewards…

Supreme.3164:

Skittledness.5106:

Teams have learned to counter play engis Rez and ele is support makes some classes like necro super strong .
The support is still amazing it just can’t troll 1v2s and some 1v1s anymore

Ever occurred to you that people may not like to play support?

People are actually asking for build diversity….we couldn’t care less if your supportbot get nerfed or buffed, peace

Agree with this…problem is that devs made class so stat dependant…other classes can do one-shooting burst and heal or migrate damage with zero toughness or healing power….

But I don’t believe devs will do anything serious about this…they would have to do serious class rework on this point to make it closer to other classes, elite specializations…

I bet they keep buffing/nerfing numbers without any passion or direction…

Do pvp team consider new amulets? Especially now when ele’s don’t have any useable now?

What IS balanced in tempest hmm…

Let’s see:
1.On every amulet class dies on auto attacks
2. Can’t use any dps amulet because it’s suicide – ele has tons of useless defence skills tided to stats and almost no hard damage migration.
3. Again dps amulet is bad because damage is too bad against any other class in this game – all 8 classes HAVE MORE hard damage migration. Ow and it’s to low…thief will do more with auto attacks.
4. Class can’t bunker in this meta without both toughness and healing…
5. Class can’t use any thing besides x/focus or insta dies.

So in short: ele damage is on level before HoT power creep, no sustain to survive any power 1v1, can’t win 1v1 (maybe maybe with bad thief), support is to weak to compete with druid and engi….

SO WHAT IS BALANCED IN CASE OF ELE? CAN OP EXPLAIN? OR WHY HE WANTS NERF ON BUILD THAT IS USED ALMOST 4 SEASSONS AND FORGOT HOW TO KILL IT?

cgMatt.5162:

fyi, you can overload attunement while in Mist Form. Utility only, not downstate Mist Form skill 2.

Again why do you want to waste life saving skill on casting horrible bad damage skill.

ArthurDent.9538:

Mr Godlike.6098:

Skittledness.5106:

Ele is still amazing and almost every top team is now running one pls

This is false. Most ESL teams dropped ele for druid… at least wining ones.

Don’t worry, he knows , he is in Never Lucky. So either the meta has changed back to using ele in top tier since the qualifiers or he is just trolling around. We will find out this weekend.

We will see after finals but I doubt.
Druid that can 1v1 and win, support, super reviver, nice tank and really fast on map makes ele joke.

Skittledness.5106:

Ele is still amazing and almost every top team is now running one pls

This is false. Most ESL teams dropped ele for druid… at least wining ones.

As a player of BDO I can say this…you don’t know what p2w is…

1. The first and most important dev team that does balance is anet marketing division. If they feel that game doesn’t LOOK attractive they do things like removal of cleric.

2.Skill Balance devs don’t read forums and whining, more or less they make changes after any e-sport event and meta that follows it.

3.They prefer to experiment on people than carefully tune classes – that’s why we have nuke nerfs and overtop buffs.

4.PVP balance team and Skill Balance team don’t work with each other so we have situations like these:
PVP team ,,Let’s remove cleric!"
Skill balance team ,,let’s make tempest healing more healing power stat driven!"

So more or less we got cycle of making mess, nerfs/buffs, more mess and cycle goes on and on…

They could be just fine with season 3 meta and buff only DH, try to achieve one meta build for one class and add some build options with new expansion…but nope dev’s like to make us frustrated. Or maybe they don’t want to be bored so on purpose they constantly screw/fix things.

I don’t know man…

EDIT: ow yea…next season balance prediction: DH will be buffed…because nobody will use this on PRO-League finals.

Ele’s in trash state…

DH is still in same spot like in previous seasons – noob punisher and too slow and to easy to be replaced by other classes utilites for higher tiers of play.

Meh it’s almost the same like in previous s3 and s2.

Their are some similarities to s1: horde’s of DH…but this time there are no tempest to counter them so I have a kind of satisfaction when I look on DH whining on forum ^^.

e-sports hate is so real on this forum :/

I bet UE win and something crazy again happens during TCG vs RAWR match

You know I can’t find more useless pvp weapon then tempest warhorn…I never seen necro die by having gs in his build…on other hand ele will mostly stay dead without focus…

1.Invulnerability should be used to survive key moments like 2-3 man focusing you
2.Yes we need better or more active hard damage migration at least on pair with other low heath pool classes…thiefs…how many times they dodge in row…
3.Something is horrible wrong if class needs time and Invulnerability to land damage when any other class has single skill that in few second’s can destroy you walking with marauder.

Coelho Nat.4697:

The current matchmaking has a very serious problem: it is the system who decides the winner. Once the system decided the player “belongs” to a tier, he will be locked forever on that tier. It doesn´t matter how good the player is or how much he improved over the season.

This don’t apply to current mmr and matchmaking. During season 1 and this mmr is set to find you equally skilled players to fight against and to play with, first checking your division then other’s. It consensus around community that in current season every one have chance to get to legendary with enough TIME.

It’s funny how immature generally people are. Everyone don’t want to fight against better players or pre-determined matches so they ask for mmr that will do it’s job. But on other hand they expect that they have RIGHT to win every match even if I don’t know… they afk on mid whole match and call this skilled play.

Phil.8901:

Lucred.1802:

3.SCORES: Let’s say you where lucky and had really nice matches and you had more than 200 points on scoreboard. System thinks that you dramatically improved so starts to give let’s say… PRO-League players…After I left sapphire (with 8 wining streak and average 200 score’s) I discovered something is not right when I suddenly realized I am fighting Drazeh for my close and rest of his team is mix of Rawr and TCG. I am not good enough to compete with this guys and nobody from my team so basically we were punished by swift progress.

Little clarification here, score means nothing about your progression, has 0 impact on your MMR and is strongly misleading, that’s the reason why Anet wants to change it.

Your MMR only depends on wins or losses, that’s all, doesn’t matter if you have 10 points or 200 points at game.

If remember correctly what devs said win/lose contribute little to mmr – score is the main thing – plz correct me if you find direct dev quote.

CLARIFACTION: I would like to add that I DON"T IMPLY that INVIDUAL SCORE system work’s fine and show what actually happened during match. I could heal team for 600k and tank the same damage I would still end match with 20-40 points:P.

Lucred.1802:

It’s a month into the season, MMR is as normalized/leveled out as it will ever be, I’m in high Ruby, why am I still getting over half of my matches winning or losing by more than 300 points?

For that matter, why am I getting soloQ players in my matches that are amber/sapphire, or Legendary? Both of those could not possibly be within any reasonable pip spread (more than 100 pips either way), and it’s highly unlikely either are remotely close to my MMR.

Factors that matter if match is blowout:

1.HOUR: System works that if you play during prime-time hour it has larger pool of people to find somebody to match your skill. If you play at middle of the night system has lower pool of players to find anything so it’s starts to search lower divisions
2.CLASS: Every season we got one class that’s seems to be easy-to-be-effective→easy-to-win. Matchmaking tires to at least don’t give you more than 2 of the same classes but it’s choked by horde of DH so it’ get’s crazy.
3.SCORES: Let’s say you where lucky and had really nice matches and you had more than 200 points on scoreboard. System thinks that you dramatically improved so starts to give let’s say… PRO-League players…After I left sapphire (with 8 wining streak and average 200 score’s) I discovered something is not right when I suddenly realized I am fighting Drazeh for my close and rest of his team is mix of Rawr and TCG. I am not good enough to compete with this guys and nobody from my team so basically we were punished by swift progress.
4. Last and not least TEAM COMPOSTIONS: some people fail to understand that some builds are made to have advantage over your class/build like this example: you have in you party 2 thiefs vs they have 3 DH…so yea gg if nobody cares to swap. In situations like this match will result with blowout.

Did 2 times, can’t even go wvw.

Looks like no fast daily’s for me

This happened…

Did as massage said, still can’t que.

Am I only one or it’s bad day to get some pins?

Focus isn’t used because of minstrel (LOL), under pressure staff isn’t great life saver…focus offers condi clear, few seconds of immortality and 3 auras (fire, leap combo fire, static)

This post makes to much sense in this forum…

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vFAQJAodn0XCdOgNOA+XCcYilNAz9u+XPsDPgAQBkYFkBGBA-TJRIABzeCAA4BAAfZAm3fAA

This is what I use lately – build that appeared at last ESL-PRO thing…it works ok

YEA more nerfs to tempest!! The most useless elite spec in pvp….

Who knows maybe devs have so much mess thanks to own chaos they made with last patch that they might to give up and w8 till next expansion and next elite spec’s…

I or they just don’t care to read this…eh after 17.09 will see if they start to care if no Pro-team will take ele.

if you want to have fun with more offensive build you can try my

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vFAQJAodn0XCdOg9XCOOAcYilCALYA0ACAD7gWQM090uantA-TJBGABAcCAU4BAkfZgR2fAA

Lidership is other rune option. Glyp of elemental harmony is better option for 1v1. Mind that I don’t use it in ranked.