Guild Wars 2

Ross Biddle.2367:

Mr Godlike.6098:

Blue.1207:

I know how to rotate, I win my 1v1’s and hold out during 1vX/disengage when appropriate. My teammates on the other hand are seemingly straight outta Best Buy with their CD keys. Yeah I make mistakes too and I’m well aware of them, but man, oh man.

You are aware that this is your SUBJECTIVE opinion?

Are you discrediting his opinion as “SUBJECTIVE” on the basis of your own “SUBJECTIVE” opinion?

Are you sure you know what you’re saying?

I never heard that calling something subjective is an insult…huh.

Lordrosicky.5813:

Hi people, Henry back again. How we all doing?

So after 4 weeks of intense calculations, studying and running the numbers; I can now reveal what the most OP traits and skills are in GW2. It was a tough process to find these 10 things. But I have managed it.

1, Pulmonary impact – this trait came in at an OP rating of 2325. It is simply way too good and it kills so many builds on its own.

2, Signet of illusions – this skill came in at an OP rating of 1623.4. Obviously alot lower than PI but still way too OP given my calculations. CD needs to be doubled.

3, Bristleback pet – this pet is just broken, too much passive damage. OP rating of 1423. The OP rating was reduced slightly as you can reflect and block it. Otherwise it is just broken.

4, Arc divider – the damage of this thing is crazy given its range and lack of CD. Came in at an OP rating of 1367.

5, Ancestral Grace – Came in at an OP rating of 1327. It is absurd this mobility

6, Unhindered combatant – came in at an OP rating of 1315. The whole thing is a joke that isn’t funny at all.

7, Channeled vigor – Came in at an OP rating of 1310. This skill heals for way too much given the low cd. It is an insane heal.

8, Monk’s focus – came in at an OP rating of 1297. This trait does way too much. Like really. Reduce recharge, gives fury, heals – so broken.

9, Rapid regeneration – came in at an OP rating of 1294. It does too much healing, it really is broken.

10, Restorative illusions – came in at an OP rating of 1292. This should only remove condis, the heal is totally not needed and OP

This took me a long time to do these calculations. Thank you for those who helped me to collect the data.

Many thanks,

Thoughts?

Hi plz explain anything because nothing you wrote explains anything.

Blue.1207:

I know how to rotate, I win my 1v1’s and hold out during 1vX/disengage when appropriate. My teammates on the other hand are seemingly straight outta Best Buy with their CD keys. Yeah I make mistakes too and I’m well aware of them, but man, oh man.

You are aware that this is your SUBJECTIVE opinion?

Looks like too many people reached legendary rank is previous system…too many.

Eh it was easy to expect so much salt on forums. 4 seasons in row people where living like in dream that everything is possible if you have time (totally Anet fault).

After wake up slap it will take some time for people to reasonably think about new ranked system. Then maybe someday we will have some discussion about mmr and crazy things that sometimes happens (system is not perfect).

Yannir.4132:

Mr Godlike.6098:

But if we had system with exclusive amulet per class…hmm

No offense intended but I would downvote this if I could. A really bad idea since it would immediately create more imbalance between classes, and by design/intent. It’s a nice idea to toy with but the reality is that it doesn’t work at all.

Additionally, you can’t just suddenly come up with 9 different unique amulets for each class. You would have to take some amulets away from being available to all, and that’s bad as well.

Now if this is an issue at all I rather think it would better if they split the amulets into an amulet and a ring combination that would split stats 70/30. You could then have celestial as a ring stat but it wouldn’t give such a large distribution as it would currently. (it doesn’t have to be a ring, it could be anything really)

Personally I doubt too that devs could manage this idea, they should focus on reworks and buffs to help ele (and tempest) use everything else besides mender.

We had already similar stat system like you purposed but it didn’t worked very well in the past.

Warhorn is bad because focus exists. There is no reason to limit survival on already fragile class.

Answer is no. Why? Because there are classes out there that would benefit more (in sick way) from celestial amulet then ele .

But if we had system with exclusive amulet per class…hmm

Generally speaking improving tempest as dps is complicated and this elite spec works only if you have healing power. Mender/Magi (sage is horrible as far as ele condi are great as burn DH so nope) are mandatory. So if tempest ele use marauder or anything else there is no benefit from elite spec at all and you drop your survival rate to 0%. WHY!? Everyone else in this game can use marauder and have some benefit because their class mechanics and HoT gave them blocks, more dodges, blinds, stability, steath…you name it. Ele is denied every single dps amulet out there with he’s passive traits that work only when somebody hits you, easily removable protection., obsidian flesh, mist form (with forever cooldown). Only projectile hate is good but who cares about DH?

Even new mechanics suck. Warhorn is slow, force you to face tank everything and it’s hard to read on some skills if hit something or not. Overloads are slow dps that you have to channel so everything can easily interrupt you (you can always sacfrice armor of earth but it’s stupid waste.) Even if you succeed enemy just need to doge out or walk out of aoe.

But more problematic thing is that generally tempest traits benefit or need to work traits from earth and water. Ele survivability is already low in current meta and taking air is making it even worse.

In the topic non of these changes will change anything.

Changes that would benefit FA are:

1. Amulet with both toughness and healing power like this 1000 power/1000 precision/500 healing power/500 thougness.
2.Give ele more hard damge migration – that means a lots of reworks and our dev is to lazy about those things.
3. Nerf everything in pvp and I don’t see that happen and personally I don’t want to.

I might be wrong by something is not right with your damage…are you using paladin amulet?

hackks.3687:

Scykosix.7836:

I like how you typed ALL thieves are bad at rotating. Like 100% of thief players are bad, every.single.one.of.them. You should change the title if its possible.

Why change it? He’s not wrong.

He’s extremely wrong – TOP EU is filled with thiefs.

Seriously burn DH now? NA ranked is such weird place…

In EU seen some…all dead…

U can get top ress on thief sometimes by just one ress…so I don’t think this system shows well who carry or not.

Still dev should think about how to award people who carry games like less rateing drop on lose then whole team or more then his team mates on win.

Every class besides druid/engi/ele is able to kill fast ele – pressure unitl obsidian flesh is on cooldown then cc and murder ele on water. Thief, rev and war should do this easy.

People mostly here speak about build mechanics so i will add something about rotations.

Ranked is not ESL so basically your job is

a.) help those who can’t sustain well on their own mostly NECRO and rev (against condi)
b.) help with heals those who can sustain WELL so you both contest fight on node being outnumbered like 2v3.

General rule is that you should never be anywhere alone. Some times you will have to take 1v1 but mind that healbot d/f has no real burst damage so mostly you always have to tank. By tanking i mean that you are not facetanking (so forget about warhorn already ok?) everything opponent does but avoiding damage and kiteing. 1v1 that generally should be safe to you (from meta perspective) should scrappers, druid and ele. Rest are dangerous if you don’t pay attention to things like moa. Rev, war and thief should be avoided depending on your placement. Most war and thief after sliver can easily force you to use obsidian flesh but rev from bronze to gold are complete joke.

If you are below platinum avoid playing solo because most people you should support can’t do what their class/build should do. How many times I puked tons of heals on necro/rev that didn’t do any damage to opponents team and just run hopelessly around the node? So find your own good necro/rev and go duo. Rev friend should be your best buddy – he gives fury that menders amulet NEEDS to make some damage.

That’s all and good luck.

He said he will do it…he did it….I wonder what now people will say about his platinum climb.

Gwaihir.1745:

I stand by that. You don’t understand not only dps can carry. You wont carry with a yoloq build you user to break pub tiers, high level play if team based so the ele keeping everyone alive means you win.

More in English plz and thief would do better job by ,, keeping everyone alive" – he can go everywhere he wants and end every fight (almost) with +1 thing…you know bad players are alive because attacker is already dead. I wonder how thiefs do this stuff without ,,heal buttons".

Gwaihir.1745:

Quit making these threads in the pvp forum. If you wish to do so place them in the ele forum.
This is like your 10th post of “ele sucks plz buff, nerf others” when it obviously is very strong this season. Like one of the best classes to carry with at high tier.

Excuse me how do you define carry as ele ?

I know few instances where in theory ele should carry (plz mind that I am not speaking about proESL but ranked):

1. ele keeps necro/rev alive:
-necro because he doesn’t have sustain
-rev because he doesn’t have condi cleanse

2. Supports another class that can sustain well 1v2 to create 2v3 situations on one node – theory speaks that if this goes well ele’s team should be always be able to outnumber other nodes.

This is all theory – in reality if necro/rev are bad (by bad I mean they don’t know how to kill people) no matter if ele is good or bad he supports player that doesn’t do anything. So…yea even if ele is good…he’s still useless and we got 3v5 match.

Same thing with number 2: If let’s say eng is bad and has problem with staying alive against thief in 1v1 what can do good ele? Every heal has cooldown…thief’s dps/cc doesn’t.

But we are speaking about ele’s in high tier so how we know that ele is good? When he rotates in places where he should be. When he press ,,heal" buttons. That’s all. Ele basically can’t do nothing besides pressing heal buttons and rotating. He can’t do nothing on his own. He can’t kill people in 1v1, he can’t bunker, he can’t contest node in 1v2…he can’t do nothing to influence match besides keeping good players alive and that’s all…come on…sorry but 1000x more important for team is what Mesmer or Thief do then healbot.

There is a reason that nobody important streams ele healbot in pvp. There is reason that in EU RANKED TOP 3 is Thief, Mesmer and Engi.

On the side note: rev was and still is one of most top classes right now. Of course skill floor is high so don’t expect something incredible from rev in let’s say sliver.

Name: Prof Hab Godlike
Game mode: PVP
Role: Tester
Realm: Piken Square
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Tiefsee.3647:

Mr Godlike.6098:

Tiefsee.3647:

Mr Godlike.6098:

Rieselle.5079:

They should modify the matchmaking system based on the assumption that most people tend not to switch classes, and most people only have small number of classes they will prefer to play.

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Nobody ever ever should ask Anet to do something based on assumptions and people with brain tend to switch classes all the time.

In that case, a net could take a lookbon the number of people who class swap.

Also in case i am with 2 or more thiefs, it is rare that they swap (right niw in bronce, last season always ruby)

Most people don’t want to class swap, even if keeping the class is an obvious disadvantage

First of all placement in previous seasons doesn’t matter.

Second I have nothing personally against you dude but you shouldn’t make any assumptions based on bronze quality players.

I know – i am in bronce and i just hope it is different in other divisions (the worst part of beeing in bronce, it feels like my skilly lower themselfe)

And i mentioned the previous divisions because of one reason – i know bronce doesn’t matter – but it was the same there…

I understand – in previous seasons ranked didn’t do what should do – group people on same tier of skill. Simply put quality of matches did go up while you where climbing.

Tiefsee.3647:

Mr Godlike.6098:

Rieselle.5079:

They should modify the matchmaking system based on the assumption that most people tend not to switch classes, and most people only have small number of classes they will prefer to play.

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Nobody ever ever should ask Anet to do something based on assumptions and people with brain tend to switch classes all the time.

In that case, a net could take a lookbon the number of people who class swap.

Also in case i am with 2 or more thiefs, it is rare that they swap (right niw in bronce, last season always ruby)

Most people don’t want to class swap, even if keeping the class is an obvious disadvantage

First of all placement in previous seasons doesn’t matter.

Second I have nothing personally against you dude but you shouldn’t make any assumptions based on bronze quality players.

Everything about DH was already said long time ago many many times over and over.

l2p

the end.

Rieselle.5079:

They should modify the matchmaking system based on the assumption that most people tend not to switch classes, and most people only have small number of classes they will prefer to play.

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Nobody ever ever should ask Anet to do something based on assumptions and people with brain tend to switch classes all the time.

Go druid → let pet triger traps → drag fight till he have everything on cooldown while stacking might → pet swap+heal as one → destroy dh

Shadowstep.6049:

Mr Godlike.6098:

shagwell.1349:

Azure The Heartless.3261:

Note that he uses Team chat instead of expecting people to do their jobs automatically.

And we all know how good team chat works when trying to coordinate people that don’t listen, already know everything or don’t even have team chat activated.

…and if you watched the stream it actually work’s most of the time.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA ssssurree, even in plat people completely ignore map pings and team chat. I call enemies coming to our points but people are too busy chasing 1 thief on the beach.

I really should start recording my games just to show how potato your teammates can be.

I said you should watch stream for a bit – of course he gets people totally blind to teamchat but mostly when they see him destroy everything 1v3 on far they start reacting.

shagwell.1349:

Azure The Heartless.3261:

Note that he uses Team chat instead of expecting people to do their jobs automatically.

And we all know how good team chat works when trying to coordinate people that don’t listen, already know everything or don’t even have team chat activated.

…and if you watched the stream it actually work’s most of the time.

He started at 600

And 47,000 people quit gw2 pvp due because they don’t like to dodge.

Lordrosicky.5813:

Hi all, henry back again. How we all doing?

I have had some trouble collecting data on the elementalist for various reasons. Anyway, i was wondering if people would answer my question:

How Op is ele?

A, Very overpowered
B, extremely overpowered
C, brokenly overpowered
D, overpowered
E, their healing and ports and invulns are ridic op and a complete joke

I will collate the findings after 2 days so we can get some action on ele.

Please let me know either here or in game if you would rather,

Cheers dudes,

The henry.

I have had some trouble collecting data on the this stupid ,,Poll" for various reasons. Anyway, i was wondering if people would answer my question:

Why we will have another ridiculous inconclusive op ele discussion without any use for devs that could matter for future balance updates ?

a.) autor hates ele because it’s ele
b.) he’s trolling
c.) ,,nerf class that I don’t play"
d.) he died to soft long deadly mender lighting whip
e.) bronze balance discussion
f.) he couldn’t kill ele on scrapper or druid.

BlaqueFyre.5678:

Oh look if you aren’t supposed to be in a lower division because you are supposed to be higher you can carry.

W8 how ele supposed to carry (mechanically speaking) like Mesmer? Tempest beats chrono at healing, protection spam and condi cleanse…and that’s it.
Mind that I didn’t said anything about my rating- right now I am satisfied with my place^^.

I wonder what ridiculous things people will say when he reach legendary rank from 600 rating…solo…

meh…probably more ridiculous things…salt is strong on the forum.

eh why it’s impossible to carry like that on ele…

BlaqueFyre.5678:

A common misconception players have right now is that a hard reset will magically make match making better, this is a false hope because everyone’s Mmr will be reset to the zero value of 1200 which also removes the information from The information gathered over the years causing huge volatility in the Player’s Mmr, also it will make all games even more random and you will have to still be grouped with all the new players/low tier players for even longer since they have the same Mmr as you.

Again this will make your PvP experience worse, not better you will just have the illusion that it helped.

Complete agreement with this. For me they need to reward better players who really carry match – more rating for win then his teammates or less punishing rating drop.

It’s funny cause all this situation is effect of previous seasons – to many people grinded legendary rank in those days and think that there are pro’s. Do you guys know why anet is silent about that? Everybody knew that spoiled with previous seasons players will OVEREACT harsh unforgiving reality.

EDIT: ow and totally called it.

Zintrothen.1056:

Staff can put a lot of pressure on a point, but it’s much squishier and way slower than D/F. It has much better mobility and AoE pressure however. D/F is generally better with the design of Tempest, which is made to be in the thick of a fight. Staff is made to range. But if you’re not fighting against a team of Thieves, Engis, Revs or Power Warriors (in other words, teams that don’t exist), Staff does great! You can still sit on an ally to support, and jump out when needed because of the increased mobility. If only damage wasn’t so insane and Eles were able to take a hit without needing CDs like Obsidian Flesh. If only…

Still, Staff can do well if you can play it well. Just that D/F does everything better with Tempest. If you were never to be focused, I’d say Staff would do better, but because you can drop so quickly under enough focus, D/F is the only set that helps you maintain some mobility, some healing and be a lot less squishy overall against high mobility opponents.

I could add that if you have rev buddy or other non ele source of fury mender staff dps in team fights becomes something much more then pressure and you don’t have to facetank everything to apply it.

Divine.3279:

Someone please explain to me why this is becoming a thing now in PvP.

I’ve seen already 15-20 Staff Elementalist’s running around in Ranked, and every time I have had one of them on my team, its an automatic Loss.

Now, I don’t know much about Elementalists, but I do know that Staff Ele is one of the worst builds to run in PvP

So what’s happening? Is there hype for it or something now that I’m not understanding? Or is it just players trolling?

Are you talking about NA ranked? NA is kinda less meta demanding.

Staff isn’t the worst, it’s more fun, demands higher skill cap and again it’s fun (every thing is more fun than d/f). Meta tier builds have still more advantages and you have to work double on your own sustain without focus.

Who knows maybe some esl pro tested something on strim and people are following the lead but I doubt that.

Edit: If you think about it HoT power creep was kinda nerfed during this year so d/f doesn’t feel so must have now…staff was meta before in season 1 (ele had similar role like right now + bunkering). Remember this guys that we didn’t had any pro-league event and nobody tested seriously last two major balance patches.

Wow pve hate on this forum is real.

Question 1: if you are in bronze or sliver why anybody should CARE that you play with pve dude’s? That’s their place.

Question: 2: New season is up and running for some time so if you have some pve guy in golden+ raiting match it means that he earned it somehow. Think about it a bit…did you ever guys blamed somebody else’s for you mistakes? Because it sounds like it really easy to stigmatise pve for some people.

Question 3: Bluri aka Sindrenerr top 1 in EU ranked is also raiding regularly. So going with forums ranting logic – we should ban him right? Because one day he will appear in queue with totally pve legendary armor?

Wow so much bulls*** is on forums lately.

Moa is kinda usless in 1v1 if Mesmer won’t use sword’s immobilize…even if you didn’t dodged you can still keep dodging + moa skill 5. Current moa for me is legit – it’s worth using and with brain you can counter-play it.

Merry Christmas…ehhh

Remove all maps!

zinkz.7045:

Poelala.2830:

zinkz.7045:

Because ele is the only class in this game with one sort of build better than the rest… ele seems to attract so many “special” snowflakes…

False, and easily falsifiable with one sentence. Run ANYTHING ELSE but dagger/focus on ele and you will die, unlike every other class in the entire game.

Not really, I was watching Phantaram stream fresh air ele (s/f) yesterday, he did fine, now would he be better off playing the typical meta ele support d/f, probably, but then that is no different to a lot of classes.

Take engy as an example you think the vast majority of engies play hammer scrapper with the same old traitlines they’ve been using since HoT, just because they like it over say rifle, nah, it is because rifle, half the traitlines, gadgets, turrets (except healing turret), etc are bad in comparison, there is nothing special about eles situation, it is not the only class with a lot of issues with weapons, traits and one type of build that is clearly superior to other options, get over yourself.

Nope.

Phantaram fresh air ele (s/f) vs NA ranked = ok
Phantaram fresh air ele (s/f) vs EU ranked = Phantaram explodes

ok maybe this is really harsh but players like him don’t have anybody to compete for years in NA so he could run really just run anything in ranked to be OK.

https://www.twitch.tv/thelordhelseth

https://www.twitch.tv/romoncoke

https://www.twitch.tv/sindrenerr

Find them when they stream and just ask what you need to know about ^^.

I would love to have some kind of of discussion about how to improve build ele diversity but our dev ignored us whole 2016 never ever looking even on ele’s sub forum. Saying that I think our discussion to improve something for better in case of ele…is pointless.

Maybe he just hates ele and wants us to bore us to death with ,,supreme" healbot and elite spec only good for protection and heal spaming. I am so envious of other classes that devs had imagination and heart to design something unique and FUN.

Sage would be very great if power damage wasn’t so much dead stat on amulet on ele without crit but it’ is some kind of alternative! Mender kinda (you need friend rev to make dangerous) pays of if you want overload air often.

FrownyClown.8402:

Hey man its our trait in tempest called Elemental Bling. It allows us to change amulets mid combat so most eles will have menders on and switch to marauders every 9seconds or so. I agree its completely broken

Devs should do something about this! I am still getting those 10000000000000000000000000000000 damage hits with shaterstone on scrappers….pure scrappers…..

MrJefferson.1704:

Mr Godlike.6098:

Before serious pvp and HoT happened I started my journey with ele in wvw as staff zerk backline….thanks to experiencing being glass’est thing around I learned how to annoy, punish and survive while being chased by angry mob of angry players. Imagine how I felt when i started pvp and first time used cele.

So my advice would be: go to hotjoin -> use berserker (hardcore mode) or maruder amulet -> learn to survive on these amulets ->learn to survive on unranked ->go ranked if you feel that staff is your thing. After this steps should have right reflexes and developed muscle memory.

It’s actually easier to learn the weapon while running bunker, because it’s more forgiving and mistakes can be easier dealt with. Ofcourse, after getting the basics, nothing is stopping you from going hardcore :P

I wouldn’t start bunker amulet – it’s not punishing enough – it kinda makes wrong impression that you can facetank damage. Starting from zerk gives healthy reactions needed on the class with lowest healthpool and armor in the game. It benefit’s for you if want to stay being dps ele or bunker playstyle. True art of bunkering is not getting hit!

That’s why i also hate tempest – it benefits more passive approach and benefit’s you only when you get hit.

One more note here: it’s really funny that haters hate ele or healbot because of what it is. But…if ele will be spotted using something different like staff or scepter or TRY TO PLAY DRIFRENT ROLE immediately is harassed by his own team: has to deal with toxic behaviour, 4v5 statements, threats that somebody will afk cause you use stone heart trait and similar nice things like that.

So yea ele is in nice spot now: generally most of ele’s hate healbot build, alternatives suck but even if you have balls you are heated for not playing healbot, , rubbish tier players hate healbot, some people that make these kind of treads hate ele generally..

….ehhh where is this going guys?

Before serious pvp and HoT happened I started my journey with ele in wvw as staff zerk backline….thanks to experiencing being glass’est thing around I learned how to annoy, punish and survive while being chased by angry mob of angry players. Imagine how I felt when i started pvp and first time used cele.

So my advice would be: go to hotjoin → use berserker (hardcore mode) or maruder amulet → learn to survive on these amulets →learn to survive on unranked →go ranked if you feel that staff is your thing. After this steps should have right reflexes and developed muscle memory.

I think there are group of players that generally hate ele…no matter how much class would be hammered by nerfs, buff to other classes or amulet removal…

Even if class would be in state of total delirium they would make still posts like ,,why ele’s are so unkillable" ,,tank meta" and other dramatic post’s filled with dramatic content showing how they can’t:

- can’t kill ele on bunker build
- can’t out rotate ele
- can’t moa ele
- can’t survive ele magi/mender dps
- can’t cc ele in water to murder ele
- can’t kill ele on obsidian flesh cooldown
- can’t focus ele
- can’t see auras
- can’t see reflects
- can’t stop shooting themselves
- can’t corrupt boons on ele
- can’t stop wasting time on ele..
- can’t interrupt overloads

OMG people…

…meanwhile thief dominates ranked top 10…

It kinda amazing …they sometimes strim at the same time and both they have viewership more then some arena.net twitch events^^ They both were so right to hipe this seasons so much!

But it true kinda…we need more pro’s on twitch!

duster.7013:

Holy, just discovered a build that is more broken than pre hot ele

I can even 1v1 condi mesmers.

ok… another pleb build. Those two sentences gave me all info that i needed.

I saved quite a lot people with it…i can really imagine worse elite.