Guild Wars 2

We will know for sure after 6th but I don’t think that proleague tier players show any crazy new builds. For now it’s seems it’s still top meta tier.

Rune of soldier should be used against heavy condi team.

Rune of Radiance you can use to get more from auras – it’s good alternative to soldier r. but you need to have Cleansing Fire traited to make build optimal.

Rune of Earth or Leadership to make protection almost permanent- it’s kinda ok if you fear heavy power dps builds.

Rune Of Monk to upgrade your healing.

So there are more then 2 options out there.

Sir….devs don’t care that much about stronghold

Yannir.4132:

Mr Godlike.6098:

If you don’t know there are two teams – balance skill team as you said and pvp balance team and that one deal’s with amulet’s for example.

Edit: check dev response https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/pvp/Removing-Amulets-will-NOT-Solve-the-Problem-Merged/page/3

And that’s exactly why PvP balance is screwed. They should merge these teams.

At least they should be aware what other team is doing like ,,ow they made skill’s useless without healing power…maybe we should wait with cleric removal"

soulknight.9620:

Nah, we will just get a 2 stacks of vulnerability on our shatterstone with next elite spec. Ah mb a 5% dmg increase on our staff air 2. Why would we want to use 1h sword with these buffs?

They will add something cool and passive like 30% chance to cast shatterstone on death

Burtnik.5218:

Mr Godlike.6098:

balance team

???
Gw doesnt have a “balance team” They are called “skill team”

If you don’t know there are two teams – balance skill team as you said and pvp balance team and that one deal’s with amulet’s for example.

Edit: check dev response https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/pvp/Removing-Amulets-will-NOT-Solve-the-Problem-Merged/page/3

Tomiyou.3790:

Fashion Mage.3712:

Auroraborealis.7310:

Currently in pvp Elementalist has no viable power builds. There is one build worth playing using Tempest and ONE other build using core spec, and that’s fresh air.

Glass staff eles aren’t meta, but they’re definitely viable, even if they’re hard to play.

No, they are not viable. Viable =/= viable in ranked. You could be the Terminator himself, a freaking computer and you wouldn’t be able to make it viable in diamond or legend. If you want to know why, just ask and I’ll tell you why.

I seen in diamond and legend staff ele’s and they did what they should do…they are people can make it viable but without team they can’t carry anything on the level of any class x in this game. Similar thing with mender heallbot thing but at least staff is not boring.

Something tells me that pvp community want’s ele’s to stay at being boring as hell…too bad…ele is the best at hard countering DH noob stompers…enjoy season 5th season dh whine treads.

True… nothing changed at least for druid and ele (ehh)…i guess we need to wait until pvp balance team will drop some new (working!!!) amulets…if not 5th season will be so boring

…this meta is really getting old…

Rigante.2470:

You must have about 3 months experience in pvp to write this. Elementalists could use a boost but overall going back 4 years it might be the number one class for pvp since the start of the game. There have been very few periods of time when Ele has been non meta.

I think you don’t understand op – right now it’s impossible to make optimal dps build on pair with any other class after HoT power/sustain creep. It’s true that ele was for long time in meta…but can you call celestial anything true dps build?

It’s not that ele’s want to be in meta or something…we need seriously some BUILD DIVERSITY! ELE’s NEEDS AT LEAST NEW AMULET!

Right now every ele out there just hate being stuck as healbot almost YEAR

1. In my opinion tempest don’t contribute to any pvp dps build right now – in both dps and survivability (without healing power) – take earth or arcane
2. Try rune of traveller – it will help both in boon duration, condi duration + perma 25% speed.
3. Hydromancy sigil suggest close encounters – I would prefer in condi build torment or leach
4.You already use good heal that doesn’t need healin power and you use much less auras than meta mender – wanderer or rabid would be better for me

Jski.6180:

Mr Godlike.6098:

Abelisk.4527:

Orangensaft.7139:

Aaaaaaaand Glyph of Elemental Power is back to nothing special xD

Not true. GoEP air is amazing. 3 sec fumble, recharges every 5 sec… ppl can never do crits and their damage is reduced by 50%… Worked wonders with S/F fa cantrip build

Wow good job to pointing that out – I sometimes forget how weakness is strong. After patch I just seen all this burn stacks^^

edit: omg this thing works!!

Can you play with out say stone hart if your far into weakness output?

I kind of wish they would move away from eles burns and bleeds and go more for the non condti dmg cc such as slow.

Tested meta mender build (zero toughness) and was really ok – specially earth overload. Oh and mass aoe weakness air overlad^^ is nice. Didn’t have much problem with power spec’s but I need to do some more 1v1.

emm…druid was hit super hard in pve builds….meta druid (Edit:pvp) seems ok

Abelisk.4527:

Orangensaft.7139:

Aaaaaaaand Glyph of Elemental Power is back to nothing special xD

Not true. GoEP air is amazing. 3 sec fumble, recharges every 5 sec… ppl can never do crits and their damage is reduced by 50%… Worked wonders with S/F fa cantrip build

Wow good job to pointing that out – I sometimes forget how weakness is strong. After patch I just seen all this burn stacks^^

edit: omg this thing works!!

I see why there are so many suggestions to move inscription to arcane but i have different opinion. If any anet dev’s will look here (hahaha…propably never) and made changes that i for example proposed, then picking air in pvp would have much more sense and it’s more possible to make optimal dps build!

Sound’s like a good idea

Glyph’s keep getting better with every balance update so how about we change boon’s from inscription trait to:

fire: retaliation
air: quickness
water: resistance
earth: stability (or aegis if to much op)

…and now air look’s more interesting in term’s of survival. How do like these idea guys?

I did some testing and I think that:

1. Burning Speed – it’s good change, now it’s possible to use this again with fresh air so…so we kinda have our pve d/w build back!

Drake’s Breath and Cone of Cold: dps on zerk somewhere between 4-5k so it’s not very impressive in pvp…and easy interrupt so can’t say it’s big deal…specially without fury and if mender is used.

Glyph of Elemental Power: looks like for at least 2 balance patches glyph got some love…skill stack burn with sceptre like a charm but on something such glassy like ele do you really want to drop cantrip or shout for something like this (in pvp)? Personally this would be something much better if inscription trait wouldn’t give such boon c*** that doesn’t add any survivability to glyph skill’s.

Signet changes: overall it’s good direction but water needs some buffs too (if it work like similar ranger signet…dreaming)

Ice Bow: Probably this the best thing in this patch. Ice storm+ piercing shards trait and now you can do something bad on downstate people and those who want to ress them (specially after THIS PATCH) it’s fun to use even on meta mender build!

Rest: either meh or ok changes

Conclusion: look like most of these changes were for sake pve so some people should be happy…now it’s possible to create good burn viper build (already seen people getting 33 burn stacks).

In case of pvp nothing much will change (ice storm might shake things a bit). Without new amulet (thougness+healing power) can’t do much 1v1 with top classes (besides thief’s). Condi seems like new way for us but we can’t get to this burn stack’s if we die faster than necro! In new ranked soloq ele will stay the same – class that can’t carry games and again I will have to stick to druid (meh). ESL will still use healbot – big aoe heals without targeting or charging is never bad…at least if your team is named Denial…

Because it’s probably last balance update in this year it’s safe to say that 2016 was horrible year to main ele in pvp….tempest is garbage if you look at other elite spec’s – it’s such bad design and it’s constantly it’s keep’s being nerfed.

Yea HoT was totally worth it…I will not buy next expansion if ele won’t get any active defences but more boon bulls***.

Huskyboy.1053:

Glenstorm.4059:

Redfeather.6401:

Do you guys think this will make a viper’s tempest worth it?
I haven’t played my tempest in ages, and been slowly acquiring viper’s armour.

I’m definitely gonna try it out in hotjoin. Those buffs to Drake’s Breath, Burning Speed, Impale and Signet of Fire are very encouraging. Might be time to take Fire/Water/Arcane and go to town, we’ll see.

Exactly what I was thinking, Fire is now viable in PvP. Ele still needs sustain though so idk if we can really say no to Tempest just yet.

I wouldn’t be so sure about condi ele yet…and if look at changes it almost feels like it’s not worth at all to use tempest in any offensive build (in pvp)

Looks like burn ele might be thing…checking with wanderer

I don’t know…old issues stay the same…how to survive without both toughness and healing power in pvp…

that ice bow buff…. interesting!

But it’s not that bad overall…maybe some new builds will pop out…

without any changes in ele balance team I predict this:
1. remowal of mender/magi+buffing again healing power contribution to healing skill’s/traits
2. cooldown’s will stay the same only few damage 0.5% buffs
3. no serious reworks on skill’s
4. they make glich that cause temepst to self-destruct on every use of rebound

…and ESL pro players will keep using ele as healbot because there will be nothing better for 5th spot, and in new soloq will be still butchered by random autoattacks.

Seriously…if nothing changes for better 2016 is probably the worst year to main ele (at least in pvp) . I really hope that i am not a prophet:(.

xeonage.1253:

ELE and NEC =
1. Lock target on them ->
2. put CC on them ->
3. put damage on them ->
4. they die and your them have +5 point and 20 sec 5v4.
Even if you are God or Superman or Mutant. Just die~

Because they do not have that block block block inv inv dodge dodge movement heal heal block block block ….. brainless system.

…and that’s why ele needs rework…simply because you have every disadvantage there is.

sephiroth.4217:

Ele is mostly fine guys, get some builds. Need to be able to dodge while overloading!!!

Ele can still manage to pull about 15-25 kills a game, damage can be on par with an “OP trap guard”. Try sage D/D burn/bleed variant with old school might stacking techniques from the Cele meta. Take a warhorn if you prefer more damage/support over control. That’s just one example.

Pics has 3 different amulet results.

You know your kinda overpowered on staff sir, like always^^

Still I think ele needs some reworks because of one simple thing – on ele to get these numbers you need work over 400% more then anything else in pvp…it’s not fair and it’s not balanced.

No stacking rule sounds great but ques…probably it might make everything worse.

In my opinion balance should look like this: skill=effectiveness.

It’s no brainer that people tend to take easiest class in season (skill<effectiveness). This year ranked looked like this:

s1: half of it DH – then was nerfed in mid of the season
s:2 necro
s:3 warrior
s:4 DH

How will anet fix this? Simply by hammer nerfing won’t solve things easy as many tend to think if there is no at least one class that can counter ,,to easy build". For example ele on cleric hard countered DH (that why it wasn’t in meta for so long) until season 4. Now only druid does that but not as effective like that time meta tempest was.

Fashion Mage.3712:

Don’t forget about guardians. :>

Moral of the story is that he shouldn’t be in charge of entire classes (or anything?).

If ele dev would do balance on other classes – everything would suck…

oh wait…game might be really balanced!

Smooth Penguin.5294:

So poor matchmaking + forced 50/50 ratio x bunker healing Druid = need for Druid rebalancing.

YOU need…as an engi…Yes let’s think about that all poor engis out there that can’t with bunkering kill bunkering spec’s…those poor souls….

I wonder if you couldn’t kill with your engi other engi on his point…you would ask for nerf for engi…I guess we will never know….

CETheLucid.3964:

Supreme.3164:

I feel it in my guts, the next spec has to potential to be even worst than Tempest

Tempest isn’t a bad elite spec though.

I if you are talking about pve – you right!
I if you are talking about pvp – horribly nope! If you compere tempest to other elite specialisations it’s easy to see that it nothing improved

Bug’s should be fixed

And DH should balanced (not nuke nerf)…come on why you guys want to deny druids their food supply…

Wow being afraid of new elite spec’s…I am afraid of every balance update on ele…

If we don’t get any active damage defence (block’s, evades, blinds and such) and no one good damage skill…it will be just the same trash as tempest….

I was kinda disappointed when today’s patch hit servers.

I miss when there was balance update at the end of season. You had time to work on something new based on changes. Is it the point to help pvp community to adjust a little before new season and try something fresh?

I don’t see point to play unranked (Coliseum/Capricon nonstop) and playing ranked in unchanged metagame – it put’s me in auto coma.

It’s sucks to wait probably 2 weeks – hard predict now when those patches are after changed patch schedule.

This season is kinda special…most people have achievements and legendary back. Other thing that some like me are in division that they want so they have time to farm achievements from new map.

nah maybe on lower tier…DH with brain will force p/p to eat damage…and that build kinda wastes a LOT of inactive on spam

let’s see

-zero build diversity
-extremely teammate dependant – zero carry potential in solo q
-forgettable damage even on dps spec
-besides heal any other class offers better utility for team
-can’t kill anything 1v1 (maybe noob thief)
-nobody want’s to play it, even if likes supports specs (because tempest healbot IS boring)
-basically no amulet work’s on it well

yea no need for buff…

Smooth Penguin.5294:

Mr Godlike.6098:

Do you need reminder that conquest is team player game? Killing somebody fast (and with high success rate) who caries his team by heals and has means to ress people fast under weak pressure isn’t important?

So you’re agreeing that in order to kill off a highly bunker class, a team needs to 3 v 1? You don’t even touch on the fact that your idea also means the other 2 people on the team needs to fight 4. Fighting a 2 v 4 because your team has to focus on a target is the reason why Eles were balanced to how they are now.

I agree that you read what YOU WANT TO READ not exactly understanding argument here. Never said that you have to 3v1 druid to kill him
You don’t understand basics of conquest
With your logic i understand that team focusing necro is unbalanced because they don’t pay attention for his team mates?

You know what? Keep it up! Basically every class after hot was sustain creeped so will have same problems… i guess with evertyhing 1v1 besides thief and ele^^ enjoy amber!

Smooth Penguin.5294:

Mr Godlike.6098:

Druid MELTS under proper 3 man burst

So you’re saying that in order to kill off a Druid, you need to put 3 guys on him? Wouldn’t that put the team at a disadvantage, since the other 2 on the team still have to take on the 4 remaining opponents?

No class should require +1 or +2 in order to fight. That’s what it took to kill off Eles before Diamond Skin was nerfed.

ehem by melt i mean die fast and almost too easy

Do you need reminder that conquest is team player game? Killing somebody fast (and with high success rate) who caries his team by heals and has means to ress people fast under weak pressure isn’t important? Are you playing same game or some FPS? You don’t focus necro in teamfight for example because rev looks more mean and has mustache?

And nope diamond skin was buffed:P works fine with menders against pure condi…

How long do you play this game!?

I like dh…

they expect from me that I don’t know that they are DH…
they expect that I don’t see them lying traps…
they expect (scrappers too) that I will command bristleback f2 right after swap and burn down their blocks for nothing…
they expect that I will stand still running with s/d
they expect I don’t see true shot animation
they expect that I will be nice and don’t dodge things
they expect I will aloud them to be pulled and not use rampage or ancestral grace…

I like Dh way they are as druid

Maybe not a much input but toughness dependence of ele’s is most horrible problem in my opinion so I purpose:

- .swaping to earth gives you 3s or 2s invulnerability
- .elemental shielding : scrap protection – gives us 1 aegis on aura

Chillout they don’t read forums suggestions…mostly they do balance after performance of each class during pro-league and how boring/exciting was to watch it for anet marketing division.

Balance will be same thing as always – nerf something to the ground hoping that community will find how to work around it and big blind uber buff things hoping that something will hit the mark.

Just look like they keep ,,buffing" ele scepter and making it useless thanks to cooldown nerf for ,,standardization"

You really guys hoping they make something for better for all classes? Playing this almost 3 years and still they do things same style.

So shocked when started to read this…some ideas sounded really nice…sad is not official

Besides…Good job on this notes!

Smooth Penguin.5294:

Supreme.3164:

You still passively stack 25 might like nothing, still have aoe CC, moa, aoe stealth, etc etc etc omfg if you want to see what a profession never played by the devs looks like go try an ele! You’re made of paper, you do no kittening dmg and have the lowest stats in the game just to make sure you’re free kill for the rest

Eles were the strongest class in PvP. I’m sure you got a ton of your wins when Eles were basically immortal with Diamond Skin. Anet then heard the cries of the forums, and decided that bunkers were not healthy to PvP. So in that same mindset, Druids are slowly creeping to the levels of Ele.

I’m not asking for game breaking nerfs to Druids. Just some adjustments to pull them back down to a nice balance.

wrong – where easier to kill – come on how you can call something immortal if most of condi builds that time had merc amulet? You think that is easy to maintain more then 90% health on 11k base class on cleric?

Omg there are some many mythis and mistunderstaindings here:

1.Doyak rune is only used for charging faster celestial avatar…stats of amulet aren’t that much taken in consideration – much more important are bonuses.
2. s/d is used negate power damage, also stealth. Removing stealth wouldn’t be good balance idea in power dominating meta.
3. Build was design to hold points in small team fights that’s means:

a.) if you fight it with bunker build druid on HIS NODE – your noob
b.) if you can’t focus druid in team fight (4v4 ect) your noob – especially if you are thief and not +1 druid. Druid MELTS under proper 3 man burst
c.) if you think druid dps is too high your noob – maybe it’s time check other classes power dps: like:
-rev
-thief
-DH
-engi
d.) if you don’t care about druids pet or his cooldowns your noob – especially if you waste cc , not trying to interrupt cast time of heal as one or rampage

I don’t have very many good things to say about balance these year.

1.This worst year to main ele – whole year was non-stop nerfing to point of almost extinction in solo q – if not used against specific team/rotation class handicaps whole team
2.Anet still experiments on with mega buffs and over nerfs
3.NO build diversity
4.Less amulets to play – the newest are pure garbage

League by itself improved over the year but anet seems to have still some important things to solve:

1.how to keep ranked populated
2.how to make yeach division satisfying so people would be content with it or want to improve – not bash constantly with mmr hell .
3.how to make each class to have at least one optimal build.
4.how implement new maps in ranked (capricon and skyhammer are ok…can’t say about coliseum).
5.how to deal with trending classes (class that was buffed and easy to play so you meet at least 2 of it in your and enemy team).

Here are some old post from this year with many suggestions how to make our life’s a little bit happier made by more than few people…nothing changed (only for worse) so this posts are still valid:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/elementalist/Changes-to-help-DPS-builds-in-PvP/first#post6267834

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/pvp/PVP-Tempest-initial-design-is-outdated/first#post6273457

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/elementalist/Let-s-talk-about-future-season-4-ELE/first#post6224529

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/pvp/Glass-tempest-concept/first#post6142915

Edit: There is literally no point in writing same thing over and over year because (yes) nobody from devs care…

Zuik.7158:

Lopez.7369:

I think you’re probably the first person since launch to ask for more healing power gear.

This is not true. Many players requested a zealot amulet to be released with the feature patch to be effective for both guardians and elementalists. The release of celestial amulet and buffing of strength runes however created strong build opportunity for both classes. Despite this I would still like to see zealot amulet added to benefit fresh air and meditation builds.

Anything that doesn’t have both toughness and healing power doesn’t benefit elementalist…maybe if ele had more active damage migration (like more doges, blinds ect)

Anything that doesn’t have ferocity doesn’t benefit ele’s damage – ele don’t have ,,press button x skill" that can one-shot’s people like other classes and already after HoT sustain creep ele’s damage is too insignificant.

In short – zealot useless for ele’s

OGDeadHead.8326:

Ninski.5680:

remove dolyak rune problem solved

Lol!

MEGA LOL

yup they read our suggestions over 4 seasons and keep nerfing class to the ground….in season 5 more nerfs and magi/mender removal

So you argue about 1v1 with power ranger…you should read about any 1v1 of eles. thiefs, necros…

R O C.6574:

Shadelang.3012:

Ubik.8315:

EvesDesire.2596:

I think there’s a simple solution to the druid problem.

Make pet stats scale with the player’s amulet. Simple as that. No more tanking and dpsing at the same time.

^ this

Except that would horribly inbalance the pets themselves unless we rework every single pet to have the exact same base stats AS WELL AS doing a full rework on almost every single pet attack in the game.

Otherwise you risk breaking the class in one way or the other far more than it has EVER been broken before.

If you want to start doing the match on everything feel free. I don’t expect anyone at anet to do it when they are already trying to rebalance pets with the CURRENT system (as evidenced by the last balance patch and probably the next one)

I hate to say it but blanket (all you have to do is this) statements just show that the people that make them dont actually understand how pets in this game work. Or that they didn’t bother fully thinking their suggestion through across the entire spiderweb of effects there decision will make.

Edit: Fixed some grammar issues. I am sure I missed some others.

Yes. Bristleback f2 getting buff from berserker amulet sounds fun. I’m already dreaming up my power druid. You think people hate pets now? Just wait!

OOOOO 10k+ on Bristleback! YEA I WANT THIS…this will balanced like sh**

Brack.6172:

My wits and landscape using allow me to beat almost anyone. Even dodgebots at times.
It’s just a little (a freaking lot actually) unfair that there are specs which provide even headless chicken with an upper hand in combat.

these headless chicken die in few seconds after team focus in diamond+ there is nothing impressive in DH besides it’s dps that is avoidable if you know yours/his mechanics – that’s all

Supreme.3164:

Swagger.1459:

Smooth Penguin.5294:

I think Druids have just a wee too much bunker in them. With a Toughness and Healing Power build, Druids can contest points for the whole match solo. When I’ve been fighting 1 v 1 using my Engi, I get him down to half HP, then poof, full heal. 5 minutes later, I need to call for backup because he just won’t go away. IMO, Druids are more OP than Dragon Hunters.

So I’ll summarize this…

You can’t kill that player using Druid on your Engineer build, but that player can’t kill you either, so that player using Druid is OP… So I guess any profession build that you can’t beat up solo is op?

…How about improve yourself before complaining.

I add, any profession he can beat..it’s balanced….that’s why ele is considered balanced on this forum..they can’t kill you..but you kill them very easily

So true man…

Why so frustrated? Maybe you need some advice in killing DH/not being killed by DH?

Mind that writing anything in balance topic on forums usually don’t bring attention on devs. Also after WTS is easy to expect that Anet will Buff DH (Nobody wining use this class in pro-league, class has hard time from more versatile and better designed specs in higher divsions)

…and you play power ranger…hmm ever heard of class counters?