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6 is complete and utter bullkitten. Necros have had so many kittening random ds nerfs lately. kitten needs to stop.

Nacht Fuchs.3762:

NeXeD.3042:

Use minions. Is there another forum for non English speaking individuals?

Thank you for your heart warming reply to my totally legit post!

Regarding the latest nerf’s (unintentional or intentional) to necro i am expecting that the necro community will bring this topic to the balance team asap.
I am playing with different very competitive teams and it is clear that necro needs love!
This it the time to make necro what it should be by design.

Cheers,
Fuchs

Excuse my ignorance I had no idea the new patch did this as you were on the first to notice, and I was genuinely curious about non english forum.

Life force generation buff incoming guys I swear

Poc is 2 plus a chill and a bleed every 15 seconds base, traited it’s a little quicker. 5 every 40. They are almost must haves.

Loki.8793:

Yelloweyedemon.2860:

NeXeD.3042:

Yelloweyedemon.2860:

I’m just here to correct something.

lorndarken.3702:

warriors would be football american football/Handegg
thieves would be basketball
rangers would be baseball
eles would be soccer football
engineers would be boxing
guardians would be lacross
mesmers would be tennis
necros would be hockey

im not really sure what the point of this thread was but im bored and thought hey why not do something fun and comical

Well that wouldn’t be correct in his perspective.

Hey, I’m just here to correct spots real names. Seems Americans get a little “confused” on what’s football and what’s not.
Playing ball with your feet = football.
Playing an egg-shaped ball with your hands = ?

;)

No, Soccer is the correct word to use because the term football applies to any and every game that uses your feet to interact with the ball. For instance, all of these games can be called football by your definition. Why is your version special?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_types_of_football

Your version of football is called Soccer because that is the shorthand term for the full name, which is Association football. The full name for American football is both American football and Gridiron football. While I think calling the American version simply football is a mistake, it is done so for the same reasons you call soccer football. That is, it’s the most popular football oriented sport in your culture, so it calling it thus won’t confuse anyone in that culture. Internationally, though, it’s pretentious and confusing to call one specific sport football, and should be referred to by its full name.

Rekt.

The power builds I play are also glassy, still have a much easier time building lf on them… but I almost always have staff and soul marks on a power build.

I was actually thinking the opposite, since the new no more re entering death shroud upon letting it manually exit I almost never find I’m lacking in ds on power builds while condi builds still suffer from poor lf regen. So that extra but of lf at the beginning really helped.

So I’m totally on board with the whole healing in deathshroud thing now….

Use minions. Is there another forum for non English speaking individuals?

Your example just sucked is all 3v1s in wvw do not show skill

Lettuce.2945:

masskillerxploit.2165:

Lettuce.2945:

Backpack.8517:

Lettuce.2945:

Team fighters sounds about right but I know a few way better duelists than the top 15 1 v 1.

15 top 1v1s (Meta builds only)

IF i wanted to hear you blab on about how Kronos is SOOO GOOOD and the only reason he doesnt play in tournaments is because he has obligations 24/7 then i would say soo…
But sorry I dont care if you win your 1v1s on a SA S/d D/P thief, or a phantasm mantra mesmer… please bring them into a 5v5 scenario… If your successful then kudos to you

Lol. Top 1 v 1 meta builds only? First you completely keep 1 v 1 and 5 v 5 separate by making two lists of it. Then now you want to have them cross over? Make up your mind. And um, he can play any thief meta and pretty much own 3/4 of your “1v1” list without breaking a sweat. Oh, just in case you were wondering…He does play in tournaments. 1 v 1 tournaments. He’s won over 12k gold from 1 v 1 tournaments and gambling servers.

And kronos isn’t the only one actually. There’s other good duelists out there that perform far better than those on your list. It’s just a popularity contest and I’ve seen said players get rekt by randoms 1 v 1. They are just probably better in a team setting, but 1 v 1 setting is a no. Like, for ele…I would say that ele named totagowa? (something like that) or Tormentum Nex (Star Destruction) is better than the eles you picked on the list 1 v 1 wise.

L.
M.
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Oh hi Ferox, the guy who refused to duel any one of the people I listed above even when all of you were in the same dueling server. You kept making excuses not to 1v1 as captured on kaaly’s stream on twitch.

Good for you backpack. Really. Too bad you can’t convert those gems into cash. Meanwhile, I’m busy with my graphic design job and pursuing a masters in vis dev. What are you doing? Oh right, being a rich preppy 16 year old living in his parents basement where he has all those free time to play gw2. I really can’t wait for when life hits you like a truck in a couple of years. You really need a slice of humble pie. Why couldn’t you go to the world tournament? Oh right, parents said no.

I’ll leave this here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8f0v7Urg3I

And yeah Teef, I would really love to see a fight between phantaram and Nex sometimes. That would be fun to watch. Probably end in stalemate.

You are a seriously angry individual. Every time you start posting you inevitably end up starting rl personal attacks.

Also highly doubt phanta vs Nex ends in stalemate.

Yelloweyedemon.2860:

I’m just here to correct something.

lorndarken.3702:

warriors would be football american football/Handegg
thieves would be basketball
rangers would be baseball
eles would be soccer football
engineers would be boxing
guardians would be lacross
mesmers would be tennis
necros would be hockey

im not really sure what the point of this thread was but im bored and thought hey why not do something fun and comical

Well that wouldn’t be correct in his perspective.

You both have serious l2pitis.

I said I wont hate it, but I stand by it probably being op.

You know what I wouldn’t hate it.

There are alot of necros complaining lately which in find crazy we seem to be in one of the best spots I’ve seen, I mean I should probably just shut up let the community whine and hopefully I can get an undeserved buff lol.

We should totally revert dumbfire.

sinject.4607:

NeXeD.3042:

Every post sinject makes is an OmG that’s op post. Eventually he will hit on one…

just about everything i’ve brought up as overpowered has usually gotten nerfed one way or another.

you’re obviously still sour about me suggesting a broken mechanic be fixed because of the advantage it gives you on ranger.

i bet if you played ele you’d be mad about me saying the stow lightning whip exploit needs to be fixed too.

coglin.1867:

sinject.4607:

something honestly needs to be done about how ridiculously faceroll guardian is against anything with a zerker amulet.

Let me get this straight. You complaining that you can be killed easily in a full zerker build?

If your complaining that you die quickly while in a full zerker build, what difference does it make if it is a guardian or not?

you completely reworded my argument and created a strawman argument to attack. im not spending my time replying to you with anything serious.

Nike.2631:

For the Ten Millionth Time: If you want something nerfed, PLAY IT. The only way to build a case the Devs can see and care about is to contribute to that class/build’s reign of terror by adding to its impossible to ignore track record in the metrics they collect every minute, every hour, every day.

Of course, if you don’t become an unstoppable juggernaut with that perfect win/loss record you imagine others had while beating you down with it, well maybe you just got outplayed in the first place.

guardian was my second level 80, i’ve played plenty of it in PvP and PvE. see attached image.

as someone who has seen both sides i can readily say that medi guard is one of the easiest things you can use that rolls with zerker amulet. arguably easier (or at least more effective) than power ranger.

LoL I’m not bitter about anything I don’t play a ranger, I do play an ele =) my view on whip is if you can do it then more power to you, but most people who try doing it end up screwing themselves. Do you actually know what lightning whip stow is doing? Can you do it in the middle of a fight?

I aplogize in advance for doing this on a phone.

Here’s the thing that I’ve noticed when it comes to my views on balancing vs alot of the others. I look at balance at the highest level even though I’m not on that level. I’ve accepted alot of my shortcomingz in pvp are more l2p issues than class issues. The spec I have been playing most these days is the poc terror spec and one of the things I see people say about someone like Nos when he is on his terrormancer is he pocs into the middle of the fight and dies… ok sure I’ve seen it…. but nowhere near as often some people would like you to believe he usually has an escape like a wurm that he has just in case he gets bombed when he dark paths into the middle of the fray because he needs to to stay in the fight. Give him healing in ds and now? He not only has the regen boon but any healing guards engis eles rangers theives and whoever else can heal a teammate so now necros not so easy to lock down and kill so either teams adapt and focus different classes first or they don’t they continue trying to kill the necro who is now probably living twice as long taking the pressure off of his teammates hell even with the necros own healing he might not really need teammates to peel for him anymore. Any 1v1s that used to be close fights probably won’t be anymore 2v2s focusing the necro probably not a great idea anymore considering g the health pool of the necro. Now you can either take twice as long killing the necro or just let him freecast.

I’ll go more into when I get home but I was all for allowing healing in DS when I was still kind of new to pvp necro until I realized hey we are actually pretty good without healing in ds wow imagine if they allowed it in like a wvw setting? Necros would just be see sawing there healthbars.

@drannor seems to me that’s what they are doing with US they did give us a little healing the consensus was it sucks.

The only healing I truly believe necros should get in ds is vamp healing from traits as necros will still be susceptible to CC.

And my point about canceling distortion signet mist form etc is that you can end DS and get healing if your communicating with your teammates.

We already have people calling necros op, giving them healing (besides us which is a joke) would just be a flat out buff. If they were to give us healing in deathshroud ds would need to be reworked.

Drarnor Kunoram.5180:

NeXeD.3042:

Let’s allow poc rp terrormancers to be burst healed by their teammates while in DS sounds like good balance.

Because Mirrored Anguish Mesmers popping Distortion can’t be? What about Elixer S engies? Signet of Stone Rangers? Guardians using Shelter?

Literally no other defense in the game denies allies burst healing. Only Necros have this issue.

The necro can exit deathshroud at any time, can you exit distortion, elixir s, signet of stone, shelter, mist form?

I get the frustration, I just know that allowing necros healing in deathshroud would be OP I’d everything else in game is the same.

I’m not the greatest necro, but holy kitten if you let my teammates burst heal me and include the hot effects anything other than 3v1 against the necro and he’s got a legitimate shot.

Every post sinject makes is an OmG that’s op post. Eventually he will hit on one…

Let’s allow poc rp terrormancers to be burst healed by their teammates while in DS sounds like good balance.

Lopez.7369:

This actually isn’t worth it anymore, at least at high ratings, because it’s way too inconsistent and easy to avoid. In fact, one of the most common mistakes I see in Skyhammer is people still playing in the old way on the map by trying to knock or pull people off or going for the now useless cannon. In reality, it’s much better to treat Skyhammer like any other map now.

I dunno I still tend to cheese out on skyhammer, I don’t focus on it but my utils usually change a bit on hammer, probably the only map I use wall or grasp.

Vortok.6975:

Lightsbane.9012:

Vortok.6975:

I’m very sorry guys that you have that much problems with the necro.I played necro since betas i’m a very good necro player now and i tend to think that if i can do it everybody can. You guys just need to practice a lot, read all traits and make your own build, learn positioning. There’s no magic build that will make you win by itself you(the player) need skills earned with playtime.

well that was very pretentious and condescending, thank you.

I’m being condescending when i say to people to stop thinking in the magic build and just practice the necro a little more instead of giving up to another professions. I’m kind of sick reading how bad the necro is or how good he is to do only one thing.(like conditions)
When you see a video of a necro in WvW doing some 3v1 and managing not only to survive but to kill them, how bad that necro is? Does he have a magic build that will magically kill 3 guys or the player parctice a lot?

Things like that happen in wvw all the time, people in wvw typically just suck 1v1 2v2 1v2 1v3 2v3 etc. Sure you run in to the occasional condi theif who isn’t bad 1v1 but it is his build that is making him decent.

I would be much more impressed if it happened in even hotjoins pvp. I find the average hotjoin player is typically better in the small scale fighting that some of the people I’ve played with who have hundred of hours in wvw.

It’s not that your being condescending which you are =)

It’s that most of us know you are probably full of kitten, the only areas necros can complain about is pve and possibly pvp. We rock in wvw.

Pve we’ve accepted we just aren’t optimal.

WvW we are part of the meta.

PvP we are the answer to the boon spamming celestial meta. We still have our problems though.

So what gamemode are you talking about? If it’s PvE your full of kitten we suck it’s known but pve content is so kittening simple it just doesn’t matter.

WvW? No one’s complaining lol.

PvP here is where we run in to a lot of l2p issues. Which is what you basically said everyone needs to l2p like you! Except I’m willing to bet you don’t spvp and would probably get rekt.

Ulion.5476:

In the video above (http://youtu.be/Y5rpPFp0Hic?t=43s) the elementalist burst being used is dragon tooth, phoenix, lighting flash, lighting strike, blinding flash, riding the lighting and updraft. Dragon tooth take a long time to hit but with updraft it will hit and phoenix hits 3 time instantly because of lighting flash. The rest of the skills are instant cast. That is just one of the elementalist combos. The combo log in the video show the damage, also frost burst damage is just the sigil on his weapon.

How much damage would it do if you mixed settlers with clerics since we are just being ridiculous

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fRAQNBIhZakjmybbsx4G+bTgLUQvABQ0G9HMB5LVbBA-TVyHABCqiDsKxE7EAon6B+o8YgnAQcKBB4QAY2+DBAQAYnHdnHdn7sUALqsC-w

Glassy but you should melt people

Played right poc is a corrupting condi bombing cc spamming machine.

Short answer if you want to play MM do not I can’t lie it is fun, but it won’t compare in dps

Kain Francois.4328:

Necromancer MM… Assuming all minions live, and all minions have a steady rate of damage, how does a Necromancer MM’s damage rank against other classes?

(I’m aware this isn’t practical for dungeons, but curious)

I won’t do the math but I can assure you the damage is abysmal compared to the standard zerk setups of ele guards warriors theives. Even compared to other necro specs it wouldn’t come close. If your doing it for fun then rock on man. If your looking for efficiency I’m pve then I’m kinda useless but I’m pretty sure it’s full zerk and the traits are one of these 6/5/0/0/3, 6/6/0/0/2, 6/2/0/0/6

Zoso.8279:

NeXeD.3042:

Zoso.8279:

Thaddeus.4891:

Kain Francois.4328:

Narkodx.1472:

Any build that invests in minions is automatically un-optimized for damage – there are far better traits for damage and far better utilities for damage

6/6/0/0/2 is not optimized for damage?

[Minion Heal skill]
[Minion Shadow Fiend]
[Minion Devourer]
[Signet that grants +180 power]
[Flesh Golem]

The only difference is that you change one of the traits for minions to deal 25% more damage, and instead of the two wells, you take minions.

How does this compare to the wells and other classes?

What is this suppose to prove? Yes, MM have some attack that can do dmg. Does it mean that it’s good dmg? The Necro is horrible at direct dmg with about 65% of the dmg of a thief. MM have some advantage in PvP, but damage is not one of them.

Highlight the part I agree with the most. Minions thats focus on DPS die too fast. If your going to try to use minions for DPS then your better off using minions like bombs or only using ranged minions and hope they don’t get too close to all the AOE that is constant in a fight. 4-4-6-0-0 or 6-6-4-0-0 personally I don’t like too much for MM stats because like I said before the minions just die way too fast. You’ll be able to get 1 or 2 (if your lucky) uses of you minions utility skill before having to wait for their cool down because they die quick. 2-0-6-6-0 for me is the optimal MM trait because it allows your minions to actually stay in the fight and lets you use your utilities more often then other trait lines. Life Siphon + toughness will give you a lot of survivability while still doing enough DPS to win in a 1v1. Personally when I play with builds I look for two thing. 1) Can the build win 1v1 2) Can the build hold out in a 1v2 or even have enough survivability to let me escape. Full DPS MM might win a few 1v1 (maybe) but will not last in a 1v2 situation.

You know the minion health, attack, toughness have nothing to do with the necros stats right?

Flesh of the Master give you 20+ toughness for each minion summoned. Vampiric Master gives you life. Fetid Consumption give you automatic condi cleanse.

Thx, not what I asked though. Also totm is bugged to kitten right now right? Why handicap yourself.

Jelzouki.4128:

Anybody who takes dhuumfire over the full terror spec is getting more burst but are missing out on the extra cc that comes from nightmare runes + greater marks/reapers protection. Dhuumfire is all right for 1v1s but the traditional terrormancer build is just simply better because of all the fears; considering you miss on your life blast you’re kind of screwed for dhuumfire.

You lose out on rp, you gain 300 power 30% condi duration, a damaging boon removal, and I usually take the signet trait(ughhh just imagine if we had aristocracy runes). It’s a glass condi spec but played correctly is still quite amazing and the only passive is then nightmare rune.

Zoso.8279:

Thaddeus.4891:

Kain Francois.4328:

Narkodx.1472:

Any build that invests in minions is automatically un-optimized for damage – there are far better traits for damage and far better utilities for damage

6/6/0/0/2 is not optimized for damage?

[Minion Heal skill]
[Minion Shadow Fiend]
[Minion Devourer]
[Signet that grants +180 power]
[Flesh Golem]

The only difference is that you change one of the traits for minions to deal 25% more damage, and instead of the two wells, you take minions.

How does this compare to the wells and other classes?

What is this suppose to prove? Yes, MM have some attack that can do dmg. Does it mean that it’s good dmg? The Necro is horrible at direct dmg with about 65% of the dmg of a thief. MM have some advantage in PvP, but damage is not one of them.

Highlight the part I agree with the most. Minions thats focus on DPS die too fast. If your going to try to use minions for DPS then your better off using minions like bombs or only using ranged minions and hope they don’t get too close to all the AOE that is constant in a fight. 4-4-6-0-0 or 6-6-4-0-0 personally I don’t like too much for MM stats because like I said before the minions just die way too fast. You’ll be able to get 1 or 2 (if your lucky) uses of you minions utility skill before having to wait for their cool down because they die quick. 2-0-6-6-0 for me is the optimal MM trait because it allows your minions to actually stay in the fight and lets you use your utilities more often then other trait lines. Life Siphon + toughness will give you a lot of survivability while still doing enough DPS to win in a 1v1. Personally when I play with builds I look for two thing. 1) Can the build win 1v1 2) Can the build hold out in a 1v2 or even have enough survivability to let me escape. Full DPS MM might win a few 1v1 (maybe) but will not last in a 1v2 situation.

You know the minion health, attack, toughness have nothing to do with the necros stats right?

Lettuce might still be mad about an unfortunate situation he had when attempting to join some tpvp teams.

Vortok.6975:

I’m very sorry guys that you have that much problems with the necro.I played necro since betas i’m a very good necro player now and i tend to think that if i can do it everybody can. You guys just need to practice a lot, read all traits and make your own build, learn positioning. There’s no magic build that will make you win by itself you(the player) need skills earned with playtime.

Yes yes I’m am sure you are an excellent clerics vamp hotjoin necro.

I had to practice my new restraint techniques when I saw this post.

theives and mesmers own khylo. if they are halfway decent they will be out rotating the kitten out of you and probably dropping you before you can even make it onto a point, unless you blow all your cd then your dead anyway

Girl = guy in real life.

Well he did ask a question even though he knew the answer could be placebo effect, but knowing it could be placebo effect should nullify his question entirely. It really wasn’t a very good question.

I also use a combination of both, mostly using it when look behind targeting

phoenix.3465:

You have to remember that some people just randomly dodge around and it is very possible to evade a boon corruption that way. Also the reason necros get focused in teamfights is exactly because they are so strong then. Those fears and conditions can quickly turn a fight around. A power necro can shred weaker classes. That is why positioning is so important. Never stand in the middle of a team fight, always on the edge. Berserker stance you just have to wait out, it’s only 6-8 seconds though.
And I find the wurm to be an excellent escape tool once you get used to it.

I’ve said it before but I’ll say it again. People don’t focus on the necro because we are just so dangerous, they focus us because we are easy to lock down and it’s beneficial to focus us early before we can actually use our class mechanic.

No you can’t do that then you would have people kittening about their rankings because they had to watch some worst player na/eu get to play instead of them and that is clearly the reason why they lost that match.

Amstel Steel.2058:

NeXeD.3042:

If its not a problem for you then why mention it in a post that is about the celestial amulet…. has nothing to do with the use of stow weapon which I would argue is not a problem on ele, if you’re able to work lightning whip stow into your rotation well then you deserve that extra 300hp.

This thread is more or less about all the things that makes the amulet viable so in the case of the ele the stow trick is relevant. I agree that since players can use the stow trick they deserve to since the system allows for it. If anything it just needs more consistency either by patching up the loophole or introducing it as an official mechanic in the form of a bindable cancel action key.

As far as might stacking and duration goes I agree that it either needs to be shaved or additional ways to remove or steal boons should be added. The problem I take it as is the cele ele is able to offload their damage too well while building for survival. In this light shaving an extra 300hp on a questionable loophole is still the first step. I would argue if anything the problem with the celestial amulet is not that it is too powerful for conquest rather it is too powerful that limits the amount of build diversity.

I might have been mistaken about lightning whips dps being directly increased by stow weapon if there is no aftercast to bypass.

There is a bindable cancel key…… they stow weapon key…. you hit the stow at the end of the cast before the aftercare so you end up not getting lightning whips second hit but it let’s you cast it again immediately so you barely lose any dps while gaining healing. But it’s not easy to do.

But it has literally nothing to do with the celestial amulet. And again I would argue it’s more effective with zerk mesmers using double air fire sigils and stowing weapon on mesmer gs1.

Jelzouki.4128:

Vortok.6975:

So you used a meta build in spvp and it did’nt work? Classic.
After all that text what do you want to know? Our opinion? A build?
Imo necro are very nice, it took me a year to play it correctly, yes you MUST work to get your kill but if i can tell you one thing, keep playin/practicing.
I have a warrior, ranger and a thief, i prefer my necro, i just like the feel.
About the build, what do you want to play? condition, power or hybrid? Find the sweet spot for each attributes and try lots of things.

Necro is good at condition application, and only that. If you’re going to play power you have the least defensive mechanics while rolling zerker as opposed to any other class. Tanky necros are a joke. We are the most underpowered class hands down.

I can give you a zerker necro that’s pretty tanky, it’s not considered meta but it’s not a horrible build

Amstel Steel.2058:

NeXeD.3042:

Amstel Steel.2058:

In the case of the dd cele ele fixing stow weapon is the first step. That will drop a decent amount of dps not intended for that amulet/rune/sigils build.

No it won’t lol.

It’s a little healing boost but it’s not one of the major problems. It’s quite hard to do in the middle of large team fights phanta himself has said he doesnt use it most of the time as it can be too risky if you mess up.

Stow weapon is an outlier mechanic that increases both the dps and hps of lightning whip when signet of restoration is used. When incorporated into practice the ele is able to increase their overall dps decently as it provides that extra burst of both damage and healing before moving into the next string of attacks and heals.

I never said it was a major problem I said it was the first step. Furthermore the build is already balanced due to the complexity of conquest.

At what point did I ask for an explanation of what lightning whip stow weapon is? The dps boost if any which is debatable is so small, it’s the healing you do it for but again your not going to camp air to do it so your probably only getting an extra 300 hp every now and then.

If its not a problem for you then why mention it in a post that is about the celestial amulet…. has nothing to do with the use of stow weapon which I would argue is not a problem on ele, if you’re able to work lightning whip stow into your rotation well then you deserve that extra 300hp. It is a dps boost for mesmer gs1 but since this is a topic about celestial amulet it’s irrelephant.

Amstel Steel.2058:

In the case of the dd cele ele fixing stow weapon is the first step. That will drop a decent amount of dps not intended for that amulet/rune/sigils build.

No it won’t lol.

It’s a little healing boost but it’s not one of the major problems. It’s quite hard to do in the middle of large team fights phanta himself has said he doesnt use it most of the time as it can be too risky if you mess up.

Sooo 5v5 mode of all stealth single target d/p theives

I see, yeah that’s never ever happened to me and I’m glad it hasnt.

Then you would have people kittening about their rankings being screwed up because they ended up having to watch their worst player na/eu teamate lose it for them until it’s their turn to spawn.

Nerf the duratom of the might you get from blasting fire fields, leave the amulet and the classes and sigils alone, unless of course you all want to play bunker wars 2

You need to be a lot more specific, now calm down and try again