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S/D Fresh Air:

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Bolt to the Heart, Air Training, Fresh Air
Stone Splinters
Renewing Stamina, Elemental Attunement, Evasive Arcana

Berserker Ammy, Strength Runes, Battle Sigil and Air Sigil

Sadly, putting this back to 20 seconds would probably make the Triple Cantrip Celestial Eles that have been running around go from simply viable to insanely overpowered again in sPvP.

I think Guardian is more useful in general, but Spirit Ranger can still be very strong.

I can barely understand what you’re writing. Eles never gained Protection with Soothing Disruption when using a Cantrip (unless, of course, they used Armor of Earth, which gives Protection).

I THINK you’re talking about Eles in the context of WvW Zerging. If that’s the case, look at Chemsorly’s stream and his build: http://www.twitch.tv/chemsorly

Assuming you’re talking about sPvP:

Cmc used to run D/D Fresh Air. http://intothemists.com/calc/?build=-k33;2BJ-U0v4-N;9;8TJ-J;119B57;217-5o0;3H7W3H7W36BU

It fell out of favor mainly because triple cantrip Ele became good again once they un-nerfed Cleansing Water and Signet of Restoration.

For PvE, I like D/F Fresh Air. There’s a few guides stickied on the forum that talk about it.

Ele has a steeper learning curve. You just sort of have to “get it”, if that makes any sense. Once you understand how to play the Ele, however, it’s as easy as any other class in the game.

Uhh, watch Cmc’s stream, and play his 2012 Ele build: http://twitch.tv/cmcgw2

Avead.5760:

0 0 10 30 30 celestial d/d standard build with cleansingwater ,the sigil that transfer condi and battle. Standard d/d arcane and water traits but with 5 instead of 3 for earth and full cantrips and signet heal.
I hate what is gonna happen with all the celestial sustain annoyance eles who will have no clue how to do their job which is mostly support with this build ..oh the glory days of far push ele are gonna be back

Yeah. We’re so kittened.

Watch Chemsorly’s stream if you’re interested in playing a Zerging WvW Staff Ele.

In PvE, Scholar is better if you’re maxing on Might (full 25 stacks). Otherwise, Strength is better.

It does seem a little bit weird that Dishonored exists in Team Queue, since these people playing with you agree to put up with whatever DC problems you have. Dishonored only really makes sense in Solo Queue and PUG Team Queue situations, but I guess there’s no way to distinguish between those and playing with friends.

Use DKeys’s D/F build for PUGing, BUT put 10 in Arcana instead of 10 in Earth if you’re struggling for perma Vigor. 30/30/0/0/10 not only gives out really good damage but has good team utility too.

An easy deselect button for clones? You mean a button to unselect anything? Because I’m fairly certain clones are kinda supposed to be annoying and confusing – that’s their job after all.

Hello.

Minion Master: http://intothemists.com/calc/?build=;0_-73;0sHkD0z3VI-K0;9;4J-TJ-48;229A46;2U-k66;1TsW6TsW66gj

You are now an expert PvPer.

Giver’s was a stat combination that ANet created when it was still trying to figure out what kind of stats they would make in this game. They have since realized that Giver’s (both the Armor and Weapon) were a mistake, and do not intend to continue them with Ascended versions.

Swimsasa Stoon.8936:

Kouryuu.4213:

I’ve been playing this build for the last few hours, it’s really good! Thanks for sharing, best one I played since patch. And thats coming from someone who barely knows the d/f skillset.

Same here, did a couple matches and have been winning 1v2’s consecutively even against a thief-necro combo. Plus a necro that my mate had had trouble with.

Though after a while I did notice that the survivability is slightly lacking. Thinking of throwing the 10 of earth into water. Also wondering if there are any other skills that can be used besides that glyph…

I posted my own take on this a bit ago. I think 20/0/0/20/30 and three cantrips on your utility bar is very strong (I take Cleansing Fire, Lightning Flash, and Armor of Earth).

Go do Arah Explorable. I think you’ll have a ton of fun.

In all seriousness, uhhh, it’s quite possible the dungeons in GW2 just aren’t for you. They’re legitimately pretty hard. They weren’t kidding when they said this MMO foregoes the Trinity in favor of everyone pulling their own weight. You’re expected to keep track of your own health, dodge and mitigate damage with your class abilities, and do as much damage as you can within your own personal skill level.

I think one of the issues with GW2 is that, because there’s no trinity, but mobs still run around doing tons of damage, you have to do some pretty creative things to mitigate damage. For instance, with no tank to ball up aggro all on himself, LoSing entire pulls behind corners becomes even more important since it’s one of our only tools to control aggro in a manageable way. Flawed, for sure, but that’s just how it is. I suggest looking at some dungeon guides (even these really old ones will do: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLzYy8FVzP3HbRLyaW41fgKvvcBivmXUYD) and see how the dungeons are done. It’s a different game, and it’s perfectly understandable if you find it’s just not for you. However, if you still want to try and enjoy the dungeons, you’d best try and find out how they’re generally done efficiently, and see if you can’t glean some knowledge from that.

However, even though many of us enjoy the dungeons in this game, it is quite possible you just don’t have the skill level or playstyle to enjoy them, which is fine. They’re very different from other MMOs and require a really different sort of way of thinking, but if you’re insistent on learning how to do dungeons, my suggestion is watching some video guides, going to http://gw2dungeons.net for an up-to-date text guide, and then go looking around for speedclear, ‘meta’, or dungeon builds for your class.

OH, and most importantly, find a good guild that’s willing to run dungeons with you. Running with friends is better than PUGing.

Pain.7958:

Carighan.6758:

I don’t get this logic.

Is there really nothing you can think of besides “Oi! The devs hate us! We’re being ignored on purpose!”? Hrm?

And sorry, but you’re talking about 1v1? A fully unsupported game mode?

I don’t really get your logic. First where did I say anything you just did? Second, I made many attempts in my forum post to tell everyone here that I’m not fully aware of everything in the game. I came here to acquire knowledge about a class I have yet to get to 80 with and was simply wondering why things the way they are. So..? I don’t even know what to say because you probably won’t even read this like how you did not even read my previous post. I really wish small minded people came with small mouths too but I guess that will never happen. Have a good day buddy.

Hold on, you don’t even have this class to 80 and you’re this upset? O.o

Listen, the Elementalist has low HP and low armor because it has access to twice the weapon skills of other classes. This allows it to do long strings of skill combos while also having responses to various situations. I can burst in Fire and blast finish in Earth, and still move to Water for heals or Air for more damage as well as CC. The Elementalist can also be built for extreme damage for PvE and buff its team offensively better than any other class while also doing some of the highest damage in the game.

Get the class to 80, read some of the stickied Ele guides, learn to play in PvP as well, and I think you will see the potential of why the class must be capped and balanced with low stats. The Elementalist simply has more outs or responses to most situtations compared to Medium and High health classes, so it gets lower health to compensate, similar to how Thieves have low HP because of their evasion and stealth or a Guardian because of their blocks, boons, and heals.

Use a low level White Weapon.

dietzero.3514:

Neko.9021:

The Elementalist has the best boon uptime in the game with Elemental Attunement for defensive boons and Persisting Flames for offensive boons.

6 points in Fire and 4 points in Arcane. Lolchoice…

You rarely run both in the same build.

But sorry, I guess I assumed that traits sort of make a build work, and the Ele has some very solid and valid ones.

I remember when people thought Guang was crazy for promoting the idea of a “DPS Guardian” over an “Anchor Guardian” in dungeons. Good times.

The types of skills that Rangers have don’t lend themselves well to WvW.

The Ranger is the pet class, a skirmishing class, and a survival class that focuses on single target damage. They survive through good positioning and evasion, as well as good stats. They’re weak to CC (both hard and soft), condition burst, and don’t fight outnumbered very well at all.

In roaming in WvW, they’re generally outclassed by most other professions. The reason for this is:
-They don’t have many ‘outs’ like Stealth or tons of mobility. While Rangers do have a moderate amount (Sword and GS have good mobility), it’s generally not enough to outright outrun something.
-Their playstyle doesn’t lend itself to fighting multiple opponents. They have poor AoE damage but very good single target damage. WvW generally turns into fights with several opponents and in those cases, the Ranger is easily focused down and killed.
-The Ranger has poor access to active condition cleansing and stunbreakers, and very little access to Stability. This makes them incredibly easy to CC (soft or hard) to death.
-Other classes can capitalize on how overpowered Conditions are better than Ranger does.

In Zergs, Rangers just don’t have the skill sets that lend themselves to the way large WvW zergs have developed. Guardians and Warriors have great cleave damage, access to stability, and high inherent survivability. Elementalists have some of the best AoE spells in the game with Static Field (no target limit), Meteor Shower, and Water fields that give the Hammer Train its sustain. Necromancers have crazy strong AoE damage with Wells and Deathshroud and good CC with Staff. Rangers generally get run over thanks to their lack of stability and their damage is generally single target in nature or weaker if it’s AoE (such as GS cleave). Also, first and foremost, a Ranger’s mechanic is their Pet, which gets eaten up in a Zerg fight.

Ultimately, Rangers just don’t do well in WvW. But don’t let that fact make you feel that Rangers themselves are bad. In sPvP and PvE, the Ranger is very strong. WvW’s balance is just screwed up, but the class, when in ‘fair’ fighting situations, excels and is able to support a team well thanks to the assistance of their Pet (felines do tons of damage in PvE and canines are crazy good CC in PvP) and the buffs they give out (frost spirit significantly increases group DPS in PvE and sun spirit significantly increases group DPS in PvP).

Huh? Rangers have been fairly strong in PvP and PvE for quite a while. They’re poor in WvW but WvW’s balance is all screwed up so that hardly matters.

Since when were Engineers in the ‘bottom group’ with Necros and Rangers? Necros are incredibly strong in PvP. And Engineers have been very strong in PvP and PvE for a long, long time.

People generally come to the forums to complain, not to say good things. That’s why you see everyone complaining all over.

D/D is the easiest weapon set for the Elementalist and honestly one of the easiest weapon sets in the entire game. It carries itself and has a sort of fluid pattern. Even when it wasn’t viable for an entire year, people still played it simply because it’s easy to learn and to play.

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fFAQJAoYhcM6cW4wxBd0AdAB5xpvRBlzbnB-TJxHwADeAAa2fAwJAoYZAA

The 10 in Earth can be 10 in Air for Zephyr’s Boon.

Mist Form can replace Cleansing Fire or Armor of Earth.

You must learn to master:
-Dancing through attunements for skills and boons (such as Protection in Earth attunement)
-Attuning to Water and dodge rolling in Water for heals
-Using Burning Speed (Fire 3) with Lightning Flash for burst damage.
-Blast finishing in your Fire Fields (Fire 3 and Fire 4) with finishers from Earth (Earth 4 and Earth 5) and Water (Water 3) for more Might
-Strength Runes and Battle Sigil are a must

If you’re having this much trouble and aren’t willing to experiment with all the weapon sets, I’d say this class isn’t for you.

The Elementalist has the best boon uptime in the game with Elemental Attunement for defensive boons and Persisting Flames for offensive boons.

Deep Strikes still gives the Signet of Might buff for free.

Please fix this. As it stands, Deep Strikes now gives a free extra 180 Power as an Adept Trait.

+1

This is the sort of combo that someone comes up with that doesn’t really understand how to play the Thief and GW2 in general. Backstab is a Power attack and Krait inflicts Conditions. Putting Runes of the Krait on a Backstab build is inefficient and will end with either a very weak Backstab or very weak Conditions.

This isn’t cheese. This is just bad. You shouldn’t die to someone 1v1 who uses such a bad “trick.”

A good number of us stopped running Ether Renewal ^^; when they rebuffed Signet, it became almost as good as Heal Sig for Eles, which is why you see so many of them again in PvP.

Before each match, summon all your minions, then swap them out for your real utilities. Their deaths will give you life force when you swap them.

If you’re playing Meta Hambow or Meta Condi War it shouldn’t be hard if they fight on point with you. I’ll admit though that if they choose to run away you can’t do much.

But take pride in the fact that if you play well enough, you can pressure them to retreat off the point, and for sPvP, that’s good enough.

Guys, it’s true. Written in Stone Ele has been dominating the queues all weekend!!!

Given how weak mobs hit in open world now, I’m fairly certain double Feline with a GS, Sword, and Warhorn is best for leveling.

sorrow.2364:

Neko.9021:

To play at Level 40+, you almost certainly have to.

At level 40, you need 55 AR to survive the Agony checks. At level 50, you need 70 AR.

You can get 20 from Infused Rings with +5 Agony Infusions inside, then 10 more from Accessories. 5 More from an amulet, and then 5 more from a backpiece.

That’s 40 AR. You still need 15 or 30 more to do higher level FOTM.

To Infuse a backpiece, you need to spend 250 Ectos (a ton of money). If you place a +5 infusion, that gets you to 45 AR. Still not enough.

At this point, you either need to buy a bunch of +10 infusions (costs about 70 gold per, on the trading post), or get Ascended Weapons or Ascended Armor. It easily costs over 100 gold to get a craft to 500, and then about 50 gold or so to make an ascended weapon or armor piece.

So yes, if you want to progress in fractals and have a decent chance at getting good rewards, you do need to spend hundreds of gold.

According to drop research, you can play level 30-40 fractal and get the same rewards as doing lv50 fractal:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Av4NvDVKEaOzdHJPaTlsRU5LeEJWN3hodklXWGFCU1E&usp=drive_web#gid=0

Doing lv40+ fractals is only a matter of challenge and it is unnecessary in order to get fractal skins or ascended stuff.

I’m quite aware of that drop research, and I’m not entirely sure if it’s wholly true or not.

If it is true, then the drop rates are bugged. That, at the very least, must change first.

Regardless, it wouldn’t change the fact that drop rates are absolutely completely terrible for people doing fractals for skins.

Until fractal players have a decent way of getting skins (non-RNG or a much, much, much higher drop rate), I don’t think a reward track should be implemented. Even the effort of getting to level 30 is pretty hard for the average player. Once there’s a fix to make getting fractal skins more reliable, then I’d totally be on board with a PvP reward track.

sorrow.2364:

LordByron.8369:

4) you don t have to spend several hundreds gold to play PvP.

So you don’t have to spend several hundreds of gold to play fractals.

To play at Level 40+, you almost certainly have to.

At level 40, you need 55 AR to survive the Agony checks. At level 50, you need 70 AR.

You can get 20 from Infused Rings with +5 Agony Infusions inside, then 10 more from Accessories. 5 More from an amulet, and then 5 more from a backpiece.

That’s 40 AR. You still need 15 or 30 more to do higher level FOTM.

To Infuse a backpiece, you need to spend 250 Ectos (a ton of money). If you place a +5 infusion, that gets you to 45 AR. Still not enough.

At this point, you either need to buy a bunch of +10 infusions (costs about 70 gold per, on the trading post), or get Ascended Weapons or Ascended Armor. It easily costs over 100 gold to get a craft to 500, and then about 50 gold or so to make an ascended weapon or armor piece.

So yes, if you want to progress in fractals and have a decent chance at getting good rewards, you do need to spend hundreds of gold.

Fractal Skins are very very difficult to get from Fractals.

Every time you conplete a full fractal set, you have a LESS THAN 1% chance to get the fractal skin you want. It’s pretty awful.

If they first added a way to buy fractal weapons with Pristine Relics or regular Relics, then sure, I’d be fine with this. But if they used the same reward track system for the Named Dungeons on Fractals in PvP, then it’d be far easier to get a fractal weapon doing PvP than doing fractals.

Have you guys been doing this to me already? My fractal 50 groups have gotten so much worse since a few days after the patch.

Eles went from 9th class in the tier list to 8th.

So… The entire match will be 10 people fighting at mid for the commune since there’s no side nodes?

Sounds totally excellent. For extra fun, try it in a hotjoin 10v10.

You’re not gonna win a 1v1 as a Cleric Staff Ele. You might avoid losing, but you won’t win.

The SBI v YB rivalry that burned out both servers ruined WvW for a lot of people. That gets my vote.

Bandits, Fame Legion, Nightmare Court, Sons of Svanir, and Inquest… There are plenty of evil in the 5 core races.

I want to play those!

I think adding a 1-second immunity to Blindness on top would be good.

I’m fairly certain the point of this skill is to let you swap to your big bursty weapon (probably has an Intelligence Sigil on it) and unleash and attack, with no fear of Blindess. But because it can just get reapplied, it’s actually completely and utterly useless for that.

Having it remove blindness and then adding 1 second of immunity would let you get that hit in without allowing the Warrior to run around with 60% blindness immunity uptime (thanks to 5 second weapon swapping).

Got this bug while playing in sPvP, today.

Dunno what’s causing it.

Regardless, thanks for the break. With no daily timers, there’s not much incentive to play >.> I’ll be back when they fix this.

You should play more hotjoin sPvP, and maybe even solo queue after you get quite a few ranks under your belt. You will always find fights in sPvP.

Credit to Cryokenesis for showing how strong Offensive Cantrips can be. This build wouldn’t exist without him

This is a casual, fun PvP build that I’ve been playing around with in PvP formats. I’m not sure if it’s ‘optimal’ for the Ele, but I think that it’s very fun, and allows you to play very aggressively thanks to running Spellslinger and Four Cantrips.

Here is the build.

The idea is to run a very aggressive D/D Elementalist relying on double Cleansing Fire as condition removal. Because of this, you can continue to lay pressure versus someone applying Conditions to you without having to swap to Water and roll around.

The Might stacks you get from aggressive use of Cantrips (such as Burning Speed with Lightning Flash) allow you to put a surprising amount of sustained and burst damage on a foe.

No Ether Renewal or Mist Form. These skills ruin your tempo. You either burst someone, or disengage with RTL. Trying to stick in a fight in melee while trying to get Ether Renewal off will generally hurt you more than it will help.

This is ultimately a skirmishing build with a good amount of sustain and damage. In other words, it’s simply another take on the various Cantrip Elementalist builds that Eles have played with since launch. The big difference is that running double Cleansing Fire puts an offensive twist on this sort of build.

Also, because you’re getting such a good amount of Vigor and Regen thanks to Soothing Disruption, you really don’t need Renewing Stamina. Windborne Dagger gives you movement speed mobility without having to re-attune to Air or blow an Aura to get it.

Basically, this build is all about tempo. Play aggressively to win.

Monk Runes

0/0/10/30/30

Water and Energy Sigils with Life Sigil stacking weapon (with a Trident of Life to keep stacks).

4 cantrips

Quad cantrip Ele with Spell Slinger. Looks super fun.