Guild Wars 2

Meditation guards and engineers because of how perfectly you have to play in order to beat them. Especially mediguards… Engis are just a pain when they place turrets down… Or you didn’t dodge one of their CCs… XD get rekt

WEXXES.2378:

Welp, as much as people like to cry about it:

Has backstab been nerfed hard yet?

Has stealth been nerfed hard yet?

I don’t recall either of these happening or will happen.

You’re wrong about stealth not being nerfed! Reveal seconds has been increased! Backstab hasn’t been nerfed but look at other weapon sets== what? Do you really want to see backstab get nerfed in order to be satisfied?! Wth is wrong with you?!

Pack cause it’s more diverse. Depends on one’s perspective honestly. Oh with a few extra seconds of swiftness you’ll be able to land more hits within melee range

AlCojester.4316:

Rangers.

kitten the lot of them. Longbow ranger is OP. All day they just 222222222 and kill 10 people with one rapid fire, OP. They can stand back and do nothing and press one button to win everything with pew pew, OP. Every time I have fight, always kittening ranger coming with 222222 when I’m low and dance on my body, OP. Always when I’m running around WvW, ranger come from across the map and knock me down and pew pew me, I can’t do anything, OP. Every time I hear pew pew I cry and want to flip table because the noise hurt me, OP. kittening ranger should be called rager class coz they’re OP.

On a serious note, ragers are only good for killing afk’s and interrupting duels in WvW.

XDlol rofl I feel you dude a glass thief and a glass ranger are two totally different play styles, one has to risk him/her self to get within melee range with low health pool whereas the other just has to spam away in a safe distance. Meh

Stupid whiners should really shut up and play the profession long enough to find out if it’s really OP or not. PM me as a thief and I’ll get on my engi to show you if thieves are OP or not. I’ve main a thief for almost a year now and still get my kitten wiped when ever I make a single mistake in duels but once I get on my engi… kitten I rarely lost a duel unless if they were really good players(which was rare).Spvp ranked,unranked and hotjoin pfffffff no problem and I’ve only played that class for LESS THAN A WEEK. All I had to do was spam bombs, stack might, plant turrets spam some more and my opponent will either be close to dead or retreating. I wipe the floor with thieves on my engi…

HtFde.3856:

Coronit.9432:

Are we talking about 2 Thiefs/1 Mesmer that want to fight or trolling the people? Everyone can troll in some way and if they want to fight you never need 10-20 people, you need around 3 that can play, thats it…

Er .. no! I whish you get a visit from a well coordinated group at Golanta one day. You’d be amazed how many people it takes to keep that camp …

Coronit.9432:

Classes having problems to outheal burstdamage? Have you never seen an ele going from 5% fulllive, a guardian healing with meditations, an ingi doing his healcombo or a ranger using his 8k heal? Withdraw is used by most thieves and is very vulnerable to poison, 4500 heal going to 3000k isn´t fun. And are you really crying about Mug having heal? you know that ONE meditaton or shout does the same when traited?

Allt he while though, said classes are plainly visible and are being attacked + cooldown on shouts/blocks/meditations. A guardian/warrior if forced to go against 3 people who know how to evade will be down rather fast, despite all those blocks/heals. A thief, however, can – if things go wrong – stop attacking and concentrate on remaining hidden until things look ok again which will usually be less than 10 seconds.

Coronit.9432:

“Keep perma stealth but remove gap closers or burst damage
Keep gap closers and burst damage but do away with perma stealth”

Ok, then let guards keep their healing but remove blocks or burstdamage (medi-guard here)
Keep blocks but remove burstdamage or healing…

Or let ele keep burstdamage but remove boons o invuln/blocks

If you think about it you should realize demanding to remove a big part of a class doesn´t work without breaking it.

All of those classes you mention melt when in a 1 vs 2 or 1 vs 3 situation against opponents who know those classes and who can evade the bursts. Thieves, on the other hand, come out of these fights quite often as winner.

You cannot break the class – it is broken. I play one myself …
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Coronit.9432:

What do you actually want, dozens thief able to keep at your butt but hitting like a wet noodle?

No – but I don’t want them to be able to hit like a truck and then disengage and come back for more. Have them use stealth to apporach, let them have a bonus when attacking from stealth, let them have high burst damage – but when they start to hit, deny stealth for 10+ seconds to them and remove most gap openers so that they – like most classes – will have to duke it out and win or die instead of their current … ooops – let me be 3000+ away … mechanism.

You suck as a person too.

Jana.6831:

MightyMicah.7451:

The minute a thief can be more successful in outnumbered fights or perhaps 1v1 scenarios is the moment you can call them op. But they are not. Take anyone of equal skill level and put them against each other, one playing thief and the other playing another profession, and the match will be even.

I was 1 vs 3 yesterday and won. Include “equal skill level” in that one as well as I won against guys from my former server who I know are bad – but I had no idea they were that bad.
Anyway, my friend and I are about equal skill level and I don’t stand a chance against his medi guard.

Ikr they are such a pain in the kitten . Any type of good guard will give you a bad day, unless if you go condi(don’t)

tboneking.2531:

I actually agree with all of your points, except your first one. I believe thief DOES have the advantage while in stealth, because a) I cannot see what they are doing, and b) they CAN see what CDs I have popped, in order to prepare for the next fight, and c) I dont even know if they are there anymore. I personally feel that the fact that a thief can retreat into stealth and then run away, and apply pressure without even being there, is very overwhelming. Especially roaming in wvw with my friends, I feel we are inevitably hunted by a thief (which is your right and what you SHOULD be doing!) without the ability to confront our attacker because of the large expanse of space, and easy access to stealthed mobility. I will come out and say that my experience on thief is limited to a level 37 Labyrinth farmed char- but these are the experiences I have had on ALL the classes I play.

I hope I have maintained the friendly discussion atmosphere that is on this thread so far

You suck.

babazhook.6805:

I have been playing with this in a p/p s/d build and it can really add on the health especially if you start cleaves.

A single CNd on a single target with IP and AR while using Steal life on crit food nets me over 1.4k health. If you get a cleave on three targets with the AA you can easily draw in over 1k in health. My crit rate is high 84 percent base an spiking to 100 percent when fury kicks in. As such I find I really do not need two sources of fury the one from the CS line being plenty.

I gave up MUG for sundering strikes as I can keep a whole pile of stacks of Vulnerability on the target. I expect we WILL see a lot more builds using this (IP) trait.

Now I know all the naysayers will claim that Executioner superior but I do not see the logic of the statement. If one is able to get an enemies health down to 50 percent then one obviously has enough power to do so. What can cause you to lose a battle at this stage is running out of health before the enemy does.

IP users will always have more health so can stay in that battle longer. Two or more swings IMHO will adequately make up that 20 percent extra damage if the IP user can stay in battle that much longer while the Executioner user has to break off to regain health.

Now the decision I have to make is whether or not the AR worth it. I tend to like those AR traits such as vigor on heal or might on dodge. I also like the extra INI from perparedness for the p/p set and that ricochet. I like sundering strikes and or Mug and obviously can not have them all and keep IP.

in this regard I do not thing there a wrong answer as much as “What suits MY style of play the best”

84%? O.o show me your build. Do you use assassins’s amulet? Eagle runes? That’s 84% without fury? :O

You can run a test ranger if you’ve got an extra slot:) that’s what I did. Delete it once you’ve learnt enough about the class. I ran a lotta ranger builds to find their weakness. They’ve got plenty for the thief to take advantage of. Oh and keep in mind that they’ve still got great sword as a secondary if they’re power, avoid bear maul no matter what cause it’s really lethal, other then that you should be good to go if you’re close enough. Can use d/p build against them if you’re in hotjoin, they drop like flies once you gank them.

Guys don’t spoil this cause I would really love it if we actually got a rifle. Out range weapons are just too lame tbh…

Get experience friends to guide you you’ll have a better time trust me. I would get on and PM you but unfortunately I can’t due to up coming exams. Once you’re with your buds ask if they could guide you through all the dungeons. If all else fail, just watch youtube vids

Loki.8793:

Female human for tier 3 cultural underboob!

In all seriousness, I’ve always felt that humans make the best thieves thematically. Sylvari also fit fairly well.

I think you’re fine as long as you don’t choose a norn or a charr.

A female charr would be nice. Cause big cats in the wild utilises stealth as well

yolo swaggins.2570:

In a recent topic I listed a few things that needed to happen before thief’s strong points were to be nerfed. The idea is to replace thief’s reliance on stealth with a combat design based around theft (BECAUSE THIEVES STEAL kitten, RIGHT?!) while turning stealth into an extra tool the thieves have access to.

What this would accomplish is making thief more malleable to balance changes while making thief fun and effective (also annoying) in it’s own unique way. Through theft, the thief will be able to gain defensive and offensive capabilities normally not available.

Now the way Theft is going to work is like this:

1.) Each skill and utility will have some form of Theft ability.
2.) Theft abilities only activate when criteria is met. For example: if someone has Protection at 76% HP or more and is hit by Heartseeker that has a Theft ability stating “If target is above 75% HP, steal a boon.” the remaining protection gets applied to the thief.

Now I have some ideas of my own, but it would probably be more fun to ask for everyone’s ideas first. Before I let you do so, I am going to list the possibilities I am looking at and if there is enough I might list them. Here is the list of the type of Theft effects I am looking at:

• Steal a boon.
• Switch a condition with a boon.
• Apply a boon on you and apply a condition on your target.
• Copy affected allies boons onto you.
• Transfer conditions onto affected targets.
• Steal Endurance.
• Copy a random skill from target. (Replaces w/e is in F1 slot. Single use.)
• Etc.

Let the ideas flow!

Mesmer sand necros mess around with boons all the time lol. Stealing endurance… That’s kinda OP don’t you think?:/ other then that I actually agree with the idea of more access to stealing boons

TheLastNobody.8319:

Can I have your stuff?

XDlolbahahahahahahaha this reply.

Swimsasa Stoon.8936:

it is indeed not the stealth that makes the thief a bugger but their mobility.
A good thief can stay out of range indefinately even without stealth and teleport in and out for big burst damage and all that without cooldowns.

But if it was just that it wouldn’t be so annoying.

What is most annoying is a thief/mesmer combination. Especially when it is a PU mesmer.

They do not only teleport, they stealth, do huge damage and basically I haven’t been able to see all that they can do because they kill me in seconds.

Go read about the profession then. Every class has it’s weakness, learn them and make it your advantage.

It’ll be so sexy if we actually get to main a rifle. Pirate theme

Thief human male an orphan from Cantha. He’s then adopted by his uncle from div’s reach. Be creative dude

You can rain conditions on mobs and let your bleed stacks do the work. P/D n d/d with caltrops would be nice you’ll get bored over time though. I really do suggest you role a thief ^^ you’ll have fun with melee or ranged either way I’m sure you’ll enjoy it.

I actually really love the idea of steady shot. It’s fair enough if I missed my shots… But what if I shot it from stealth XD? Stupid whiners will beg or countless nerfs again =.=

XD this post. Lol Why not something deadlier? Maybe a Orcha? Something big and dangerous. A juvenile raptor!

Aw man if thieves actually get rifles… That would be so… Wicked… If they work well of course XD

I LOVE MY THIEF!!! TEEF AWAY~

Can take d/p,s/d or s/p it’ll all work well for your build.

I myself am looking at a 2/6/0/0/6 build after patch but will very likely tweak. I have grown attached to Hastened replenishment in the build and the first burst from the pistol with +15+10+10 percent damage hits hard.

Question for you however. Why the points in SA when you have no ready sources of stealth? This build has no condition cleanse I see outside SOA. Relying on stealth from black powder and the blast finisher off short bow is not avaliable on demand and will compete for needed INI to get that blast off.

I prefer a higher Crit rate myself on the p/P build. My own experience is you want those proc on crit effects from the unload.

Just as example.

In a p/p unload I can get 8 800 point unloads for 6400 points. That is a 960 point heal plus 325 from steal life on crit for 1280 heal guaranteed on an unload. (every shot a crit theory)

You will receive around 70 percent of that. Why not leverage the 15 percent of IP to the max?

The other issue with your build is the low armor. My own opinion is you want to get that higher so as to ward off more damage up front. This allows that IP to better fill your health pool back up. I learned in playing the Guardian that if you are relying on a heal type build there better synergy with higher armor.

You might consider taking the trait that gives vulnerability in the DA line. This will boost the overall damage of your unloads as you can stack the vulnerability quickly. This in turn will feedback more health from IP. It also helps keep the damage up in the unload as you lose that ini and benefits of First strikes and lead attacks.

That’s why I took D/P over short bow just in case I get into any sticky situation. Sundering strikes would be nice though but I’ve been to attached to shadow’s embrace, maybe I’ll change my utility slots for shadowstep. Then again thanks for the tip.

What if they applied poison on to you? How do you get rid of it?

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fZAQRAqa4al0Mp3pFOx4J0PNRPRt9BEADIXjg3PxVkEA-TpREwAFeAA52fAyBBwxRAAwJAAbZAA XD

XD I tend to not go FULL glass cause anything can kill you with just a touch. Don’t copy paste everything you see out there without fully understanding the build. This build is really a YOLO build instead you don’t die once but many many many times, you get the point.

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fZAQRAqa4al0Mp3pFOx4J0PNRPRt9BEADIXjg3PxVkEA-TpREwAFeAA52fAyBBwxRAAwJAAbZAA

Yup this is the one. Wanted to share this with any thief out there who’s interested in p/p or invigorating precision. A standard build with a lil bit of tweaking there’s a lotta alternatives to this build. Can take short bow if you wanna cap more or air runes for a few extra seconds of swiftness, anything that’ll suit your play style as a thief. Any feedbacks are more than welcome about this build.

Take shadow’s embrace over cloaked in shadows and I’d rather go with soldier amulet. Without ferocity crits are kinda useless.

I miss the old black powder :’(

I dont know if im weird, but I think a thief with more condi cleanse would be over powered. It has some high statying power for a full zerk class that if you make him cleanse condi more often it would be impossible for some condi class to bring down.

You’re not weird just wrong. Keep in mind that thieves have some of the lowest hp pool in the game, even with the great shadow’s embrace the thief is still vulnerable to any power or condi damage if they’re out of stealth and it only takes a few seconds to bring them down honestly. I mean you roam a ranger, you must surely have some experience with thieves in spvp right?

I really would prefer feline grace over cloaked in shadow honestly. Blind during stealth might be useful against melee range but dodging is just the best way to mitigate damage, with pew pew rangers ahead you get to gap close easier. Awesome video dude, love the previous one too.

mango.9267:

Actually, your damage will be fine. The dps on 20606 is pretty comparable with the dps on 20066, minus the 10% modifier. And to be honest, a thief using stealth really isn’t that problematic in PvP because you’re not expected to contest/hold points anyway.

There are a few reasons I think PvP’ers tend to forgo shadow arts.

(1) You don’t have perma-swiftness out of combat, meaning you’ll rotate and +1 slower than you would on 20066.
(2) If you’re going to rotate slower, your burst should hit harder, which is where 60206 and 26006 come in.
(3) Shadow arts tends to encourage slow and selfish play where you spend a lot of time in stealth, which is wasted time because you’re either resetting a fight or you’re not helping your team. (Note: this can be circumvented by consciously limiting the amount of time you spend in stealth).

Also of note, there’s a vocal and elitist anti-SA culture that considers the trait line “cheese”. I personally think 20066 (especially 20066 D/P) is just as “cheesy” as 20606, so I don’t think this criticism is valid.

In summary, you won’t rotate as quickly as 20066, nor will you burst as hard as 60206/26006. However, my opinion is that 20606 isn’t as bad as many of the mindless teef drones will have you believe, and excluding the highest level of play, you won’t really be gimping your team unless you spend most of your time sitting in stealth.

What’s the best 1v1 duel build by far? Especially against engineers. S/D panic strike? Or d/p both require burst but which one do you think is better?

Aeden.5896:

I can’t believe this hasn’t been fixed yet. They even posted this was being “talked about quite a bit internally” over a year ago (https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/archive/balance/PvX-Thief-Last-Refuge/first).

Everyone’s an arm chair balance designer, but just give LR a 0.5s “Escape to the Shadows” buff before the blinding powder making you semi-immune to revealed. JUST HALF A SECOND. Long enough to finish a CnD, for that last projectile to hit or cancel your channel.

To avoid uber-insta-gib-double-backstab-lolol @25% builds, limit the reveal immunity to normal attacks (i.e. stealth attacks like backstab/sneak attack would apply revealed, CnD or vital shot would not), so best case you get .5s of invisible normal attacks.

This is a really good idea tho.

I’ve main a thief for almost a year now and don’t really think this is an issue, sure it got me killed a couple of times but after a while of getting the hang of it and how it flows. It really isn’t a big deal. It actually saved me more times when my utilities are on cool down. I mean all you really have to do is pay attention. Isn’t good thieves suppose to play that way? Waiting for the right time to strike? Paying attention at your surroundings?

Jana.6831:

Well, my build will be nerfed as I rely on might stacks.. thanks anet!

Dude it’s still viable if you stack enough. It’s just overpowered when you stack too much and others don’t get to. Like thief compared to engi for example. Dude I get close to 20stakcs easily on my engi… Like permanent might. Plus it buffs condi dmg n power base. Unless if you’re running a p/x or u bleed with d/d 3 you won’t have any problem.

Xyonon.3987:

Invigorating Precision buff – pve tank zerk thief confirmed According to my highest 30k backstab a 4500 heal is pretty sexy.

What if we hit the tiny animals in wvw? XDlol we’ll get insta heal!!!

Narkodx.1472:

The games been around for over two years now you think people haven’t experimented with other builds?

Hastened Replenishment is trash because the Thief does not benefit from switching weapons often like an Ele/Engi/Warr

The initiative system gimps our weapon swap because we do not get access to 5 new skills on weapon swap if you blew all your initiative on the previous weapon set – Thief swaps weapons for utility or range not necessarily due to cooldowns

3 people have already corrected you.

foste.3098:

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fZAQNAoYVl0Mp0pFOx5J0PRRLBtV05aIe/m2kGNvQAA-TZBFwAG3fo9ZAYxhAAaZAAPAAA

Join the celestial spam fest before it gets nerfd.
“bunker” a point and enjoy spaming bleeds, cripple, weakness, and poison while covering it with needles.
Never go stealth unless you want to clear 1 condition or get a backstab, and even then never ever stay in stealth for more than 1/2 sec.

disclaimer: build might be kitten.

Haha yeah I’ve been using this build before lol never really thought about might stacking with it tho. I’ll be sure to give this a shot. I’d take the 2 points n place it in DA for panic tho cause with all the condition I might get the target to 50low easily if they aren’t careful.

Thief:
Blinding Power: This skill no longer interrupts your own skills.
Dev note: We feel that removing the skill-canceling nature of this skill will improve the overall value of the skill and provide better potential for both damage and support.
Dancing Dagger: The projectile speed from this skill has been increased by 33%.
Dev note: This skill is intended to help thieves catch their enemies, which is pretty hard to do if the daggers are slow.
Needle Trap: The bleed duration of this skill has been increased from 3 seconds to 10 seconds.
Dev note: As a condition-based trap, we felt that the damage portion was underperforming by quite a bit and could use some help in that area.
Shadow Pursuit: The duration of might granted from this skill has been increased from 5 seconds to 10 seconds.
Dev note: This trap is quite difficult to use and can be disorienting when activated. As such, we wanted to further reward thieves for using this skill.

With the buff to invigorating percision it might be viable now. S/p might fit really well with this if you’re gonna cleave. With 1050 ferocity 8% would be 84 heal, on the other hand 15% you’ll gain 157.5 that’s some improvement in my opinion.

Coronit.9432:

Well, don´t forget to put that one point left into acrobatic or deadly arts for the poison.
Why soldier amulet? you want to hold points? ^^

Wanted to avoid being glassy. Plus I lack condition remove. Missing ferocity should be a problem that’s why I wanted to try and stack might. Every point is important adding 1 point to poison would be a waste cause they would cleanse it instantly cause I lack conditions. It’s all into one’s perspective mate:) I’m suppose to place the 1point in acro line for pain response XD. Forgot to

SoulSin.5682:

Nephrite.6954:

Any 1v1 thief vids for spvp? Against meta builds preferably… Especially dps guards…

Guardians and Enginners are real nemesis classes for thieves on sPvP.
You might just run away from then until help arrives

Not to mention d/d eles… Terrormancers(with full DS), condi rangers n yeah almost all metas. Lol they’re so easy to use compared to thieves.

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fZAQNAsYVl0MpyplOxwJ0PNhPhsZgEe3c5xOn1D-TpBFwAOOBAWLDE5IAs4QA0a/BAPAAA
My goal for this forum is to introduce rare builds out there that has the potential to be meta builds so any builds are welcome. I’m tired of being limited to a few choices in metas, I know that there’s a reason they are metas but lets see what we can do with other traits being available for the thief. Builds that suit and rhyme with the player. Be creative show some few builds and help each other by giving suggestions and criticism. The build I’m showing is just a build I’m being used to don’t copy it, it’s just an experiment.

Any 1v1 thief vids for spvp? Against meta builds preferably… Especially dps guards…

It’s not a qualified meta cause it’s an easy counter able build if people put little effort into learning about it…

Maugetarr.6823:

Nephrite.6954:

Yeah but it doesn’t it bother you that it says assassin with almost every trait you use as a thief? Lol

but, but, but…. Thrill of the Crime, Bountiful Theft, Sleight of Hand, and Mug….4/6 of my traits are thief related. I’ve just had a little dagger and acrobatics training as well.

Almost dude almost. Critical strikes, acrobatics,shadow arts and deadly arts doesn’t say assassin but it’s pretty much self explanatory. Look at the utilities for instance assassin’s signet. =,= I just got one hit by a guard today… Was on my s/d build with 6 in acro… The rest were zerk amu n pack runes… Well not one hit but I died pretty quick… Didn’t stand a chance.

Black Frog.9274:

Nephrite.6954:

Yeah but it doesn’t it bother you that it says assassin with almost every trait you use as a thief? Lol

Except Executioner. So where’s my axe!?

You don’t necessarily need an axe to kill any1 u know.

Selver.1307:

it’s fun and all, but the lack of range (not counting the gap closing) kills it for me. I used to run around like this, but especially now with the engineers everywhere, I need that bow. I can’t take them out without it – and even then it’s rough most of the time. They tear me up if I get in their circle too soon.

There are gap closers with d/p set but I guess you’re right. With turret engis on the lose it’s worth while to get some range pressure.

Hey mango, is there a way to combine assassin’s equilibrium with a few back stab builds? Maybe even a s/d build with 6acro and the other 8 points spent in damage instead of trickery for more burst, preferably with daggers for faster burst from stealth. What do you guys think? I know it can’t really compete with metas but I don’t wanna always have such limited choices. I’m gonna run a few experiments with that build and come up with something for us to agree on. Stating for more suggestions.