Guild Wars 2

I don’t know what beautiful Dev did this, but it honestly made my day. I absolutely adore this. I must go and destroy this home now. Thank you so much that made me laugh so hard.

Eternal Battlegrounds
North Keep: One of the village residents will now flee if their home is destroyed.

Well surprisingly alot of you don’t know.

DBL is only going to be one borderland map. The other two will be ABL.

So everyone that doesnt like DBL need not go to it. I personally can not wait.

I wouldn’t Ban a certain class, I would ban multiples of anything.

Neither my team or the other is allowed to have more then one of any class. I am willing to wait for the queue time.

Or at the very least never more then two.

Bifrost… so pretty

My friend and I,started the season out on Warrior and necro. We decided to change things up and go Necro and a mesmer, up to this point we had had a solid winning streak into ruby and had not lost many matches.

Once we queued up as these two classes , at times I would switch to ranger, we found that we were always on the team that had a big class balance issue.

For example, our team would be a necro, a mesmer, two thieves and maybe an ele, or another necro. Sometimes three thieves. Of course none of the duplicates wanted to switch. What was odd is that it seemed to be the system had a predisposition of never giving us, Guards/Revs/Warriors/ engies. In fact that was usually what was on the other team almost 80% of the time.

So in an effort to test this, I switched to a warrior and he an engi, and sure enough we were paired with other warriors and engies/revs/guards and began to win again instantly.

I am not sure if this is some sort of bug or some odd way the system is set up to balance out matches? Is this a one time coincidence, I dont think so…

So I am here asking if anyone else has noticed this.

Its, unranked. I think striving for a 50/50 is fine.

I would say it depends who you duel. I fyou duel another necro, you should both start with 0.

If you duel a different class, you will die and lose, if you have no deathshroud.

Sezz.3029:

Too much chilled!

Everytime I’m attacking a bunker ele, I’m chilled! Just by auto attacking. Aura of frost needs to get nerfed. Reduce the cd, from the traits and the utilities. Also, fighting a Reaper=Perma Chilled. I’m ok with being chilled from time to time. But perma chilled needs to stop. This condition is super op. Reduced the effect to 33%.

Wow, As a necro main I opened this post expecting to see someone ranting about necro chill, and I was going to tell them to go get lost because Reaper chill is a shell of what it used to be. It has been so nerfed.

So nerfed that Ele chill is apparently stronger.

Sad sad day for the main class mechanic of reapers.

I remember the original statement, you wont be able to get around fast but you can chill them and keep them from getting away! hahahahah NOPE.
Ele’s do it better apparently..

I am sorry there is just going to be a faction of people that can’t accept that a majority of people actually did like the DBL maps just wanted a rotation to keep things fresh. We aren’t fools, we ask for new maps for years and throwing a new one away is an act of folly.

The truth is that what brought many players back was the WvW linking, and it occurred prior to the DBL even being removed. That is exactly what I expected to happen. Now that people have played Alpine most rational people can see the difference between the two maps and enjoy each for different reasons. It is possible to like both maps..

Hell I want a third new map so each borderlands has their own. However I understand there are more important things going needed right now.

My point is, if your questioning the validity of the DBL poll its probably because you don’t want to accept that DBL is being kept. Accept it and move on. Frankly, the numbers weren’t even close so theirs no doubts in my mind of what people want.

I can verify that many in my guild got this notification during our running’s in WvW and I am so pleased that Anet went Beyond the constant posters on this board to get a real decision from players IN GAME.

I would like to see certain classes be able to run a power version as well as condi. I wish there could be more diversity here.

Secondly, I would not buff Ele or Rev, currently these are the strongest classes in the meta, I suspect you have been under a rock. If teams in the Pro-leagues were allowed to they would take two eles and two revs into every fight.

The only class that really needs to be looked at is Guardian. They have a serious issue with reflect and they need some builds that can survive in this meta.

This meta is ironically the most balanced yet, with only a few overpowered classes and most of the other classes at the same level.

As others are saying, there are two things that happen when a solo queu and randoms go up against a premade team.

The premade team is probably not a great team, they more then likely have people of different skill levels.

The solo queue/duo queue team is actually the team rated to win due to the fact that it is given a higher mmr of players overall then the other team.

I Know that in another post about this topic, Evan confirmed that the Premade teams actually don’t win as much as people think. The other team ussually wins.

I myself have been on all sides of this coin. I have had a premade team that was full of guildies of different skill levels that lost several times. I fought against a premade team and won several times. I have fought against a premade team and lost as well.

As a necro Main, I am glad to see them back and I don’t mind if people are excited and play them alot. Good for them.

Terrahero.9358:

Nightshade.2570:

You have got to be kidding me lol. I Reread the title of the post like three times. What do you want PvD? Ktrain?

I am sorry but sometimes we as players just hit a level of ridiculousness that is beyond my comprehension.

To much PVP in WvW lol .

If you would look slightly below the title you will notice there is also a thing called a post.

This is a discussion forum not Twitter. Read more than one sentence.

Oh I read the whole thread as did all the rest of the people here.

Basically one person upset about people playing in a style they do not see as appropriate to WvW. Which I in my own opinion, which I am entitled to, found disbelief in someone asking for less dueling in a pvp game mode.

Others chiming in to let him know that you can not dictate other peoples play styles, unless your arena net. I think that sums it up nicely.

Have a nice day.

I don’t care to much about pip losses but Division loss is a BAD idea in a game such as Guild wars 2.

As you whittle down your numbers more and more and make things further elitist, you will find yourself playing alone.

You do not understand the psychological ramifications behind changes where you lose divisions. You would fast find yourself with queue times of over an hour for the very fact that alot of people would get to the tier they want and stop.

There is no incentive actually to play past Ruby, and as it stands to make it so playing past ruby could cost you Ruby would mean most people will quit playing pvp or move to unranked.

I know many of you think this would be great I mean better matches right? You would find yourself among those that stop pvping well before a season is over.

Honestly Arena net would lose huge numbers in PvP from causing people in Sapphire to lose divisions.

It already became bad this past season with less people in diamond and legendary causing the queue times in those divisions to soar. This would intensify it but down at the sapphire level. Imagine getting to Sapphire and having 15 minute queues or worse.

Even good players would start throwing their hands up and moving to unranked just for fast queue times.

Aezyr.5304:

If it’s red it’s dead (or me :p)

Anyway I repeat my question from page 1: What is the actual reason to duel in EB instead of, lets say Os?

Variety, randomness, chance, scouts doing more then just yawning and picking off stragglers and other scouts.

Right its perfect people will have less power with their transfers now to manipulate the system. Because at the next link up, Anet can adjust to server stacking. Thusly you could spend all that money and get messed up by it!

So like eventually we will have more equally matched servers again….

People will win due to organization and tactics, not numbers and off hour k-training.

You have got to be kidding me lol. I Reread the title of the post like three times. What do you want PvD? Ktrain?

I am sorry but sometimes we as players just hit a level of ridiculousness that is beyond my comprehension.

To much PVP in WvW lol .

Um can I have one in the center of DBL that is acessible to all three sides. Or three one for each server not far from each other.

Sounds like good fighting to me. Then you could just lesve waypoints out of the rest of the map.

Oh the fights.

My friend and i used to have a game where we gave each other points when we caused one another to run into walls.

Called em wallpoints. Now i guess we can change to root points.

No last night I noticed definitely tankier builds. As i figured the hit to damage specs like necro and guard have pushed us towards bunker with more rangers eles and warriors. There may be burst, but less classes are doing significant boon removal and damage. I can only assume Anet wanted this?

My problem is on spirit watch most of my team mates dont know that it’s going to be a while till the orb spawns so instead of avoiding middle and running to points, the hang down there fighting one or two guys.

I dont know what can resolve this but perhaps time? Huge red letters that flash at the top that tell you how long till the Orb spawns lol.

I think people should try out the dbl and stop whining about queues in EBG. I am on TC EBG has been queued since patch though was worst on reset.

What amazes me is all the fools who refuse to go to the DBL’s even though there are commanders leading groups on them.

Then come here to whine about queues.

Sorry gonna tell it to you straight. To have a thriving fun wvw queues are a good thing.

Stop being lazy kittens and go familiarize yourself with DBL.

I enjoyed watching him for his gw2 pvp knowledge but otherwise meh.

Though I always figured he would move to a new game cause money.

Anyhow best of luck to him.

I don’t understand how people can’t realize that it was the first night and an overwhelming great tesponse in numbers. It wont stay this way. But the huge response tells me that the idea of getting to play with lots of other people is enticing.

Its been a ton of fun. I Know its the first day and things will settle down but how things were before clearly wsnt working. So many new people in WvW!

Cmon guys papercutmancer would hurt like hell, get me a bandage. MY FINGERS BLEEDING!

Lol

Have F5 not work on elites is fine with me. I can ussually handle myself even in moa form at least once. Unless out numbered then i prob wouldnt make it anyhow.

There are tons of unblockable skills un every class to single out necro’s is silly.

I mean oh your right while your at it lets remove all unblockable skills and roll tanks, that way we can all just stand around on points deadlocked.

So what really makes us feel nerfed is not just this chill damage to bleed thing. I constantly see these posts and they ignore the other NERFS. If you dont think less stability in deathshroud and less chill output combined with this change isnt a nerf your crazy.

In PvP the only reason Necro’s were going toe to toe with other classes is because we had decent stability, more chill with high damage output. Our weapons are slow stacking bleeds by a single necro isnt going to happen as quick because we put out less chill. And, we have less stability then before.

I got on my necro that I have mained for 3k hours. The struggle to survive to do the former damage is real. Then I got on mesmer that I have maybe 500 hours on, and I can blast so many condis while blocking and evading constantly. I survived and killed 2-3 times easier., and more.

From a PvP perspective the reduction of necros even those that mained and switch over to mesmers is real.

So yes when you look at all combined giving us a paltry second condi that does low damage doesnt make up for the nerf to survivabilty and damage in general.

The pro-leaguers are right they know its better to roll a mesmer , rev, ranger, engi or ele.

Because we cant compete at that level. Your fine in lower skilled tiers.

This change combined with stab change and less chill output in genersl is the problem. Go fight a mesmer.

Its a PvP nerf and yes we are nerfed, if you don’t think stability nerf along with chill reduction is a strong nerf your crazy.

Tim.6450:

Radu.1693:

Tim.6450:

Radu.1693:

Now each reaper can put 30 stacks of bleed on a target instead of all just increasing chill duration.

Now all we need is one condition cleared to negate most of our damage. one step forward three steps back.

You have a valid point about the damage becoming more concentrated in bleeds. On the plus side now every single time you apply chill you now apply two condis, making it that much easier to makes it easier to bury condis. Additionally , in situations where you have multiple reapers their damage will actually stack now.

However since you are scepter necro/staf (probably with curses) you already have bleed on your foe . So you don’t have any extra condi. Reaper stacking was never a thing higher lvl pvp (not high lvl pvp, just not low lvl pvp) since stacking reapers means that you can be easily out manouver them.

Radu.1693:

Tim.6450:

Radu.1693:

Plus skills that remove/reduce movement impairing skills wont effect the damage aspect of the trait.

Never did really matter in the pasr since reaper stacked chill above 100%.

Sure it did. Just one example:
https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Riposting_Shadows
Now the skill will be able to remove the chill but will still have the bleeds applied, instead of just cleansing everything.

I was actually talking about the duration matter.

Yes exactly! We already had bleed on them. It makes no difference! It really doesnt. Everyone thinks that you are stacking tons of bleed but theres less chill now, and bleed was already on everyone that a scepter necro fought always constantly, if you were any good at all.

With that being said, there are a few areas that we feel need to be balanced, specifically chill application and survivability.

Question, How do I more damage over time if they nerf both my damage and my survivability?

Basically regardless of the *but you get two condis applied for the price of one complaint.

A. Bleed sucks, its a really low damage point and the damage over time in todays meta is a completely useless arguement. No classes will give you the time to damage them slowly thats ridiculous. Not to mention our cool downs still across the board are slower, our weapons are slower ect.

B. You wont apply as much bleed as you did chill damage because chill in general has been nerfed its just not going to happen as much now.

C. I am tired of the old death shroud but with our Stability getting slightly nerfed in reaper form I am trying to understand the point of taking reaper still? If chill is nerfed and turns out to be less effective then running a Vanilla necro

D. I just don’t think that any of this power build or condi build will hold up against other classes, go fight a mesmer, rev or thief and then we will talk.

or people will just not play necro..

eldenbri.1059:

I hope it stays in the rotation going forward.

When HoT started, the clear issue with desert bl was low population (at least playing from NSP). This would have happened to alpine as well – everyone was doing elite specs and trying HoT content.

Currently, the desert bl tends to have some decent roaming fights, typically plenty of camps and towers to take, and pretty easily competed dailies – all by just going to an enemy bl and moving along the south edge of the map.

The scenery is nice, you can knock down a tower wall pretty quickly with a cata, and if you get into a lord fight in an enemy tower that’s a 2v2 you can get some pretty fun combat (there’s enough space to fight, and the lord attacks are meaningful sometimes).

Anyway, I hope that desert bl comes back frequently. I have fond memories of roaming on alpine, but I’ll really miss desert if we don’t see it again.

I can sympathize I will miss DBL. Have always enbraced change. Makes life more interesting. With the shrines there was always something to do for small parties. Will miss it all. Especially lich tower amd fire keep.

They should have Just lowered what he was worth. Like from 150 to like 125 or 100

I think somewhere that somebody got this idea and they think this will help them only get highly skilled players on their team and they think the players currently in their division don’t deserve to be there. While that might be true for some. What they don’t realize is the impact this would have on each league season.
1. First off if you dont get everything you need for the legendary you’re going to be able to earn it outside of seasons. So if you think this will make it more rare your wrong.
2. Often people ask for this and dont realize they will be one of the ones losing divisions.
3. Players will get to Ruby or diamond and will quit playing or go to unranked. This has a huge negative impact on the community. Because matchmaking at the beginning of the seasons is currently a mess as even anet stated.
4. Queue times in ruby and above will soar. More people will leave as they wont have the time.
5. Rewards wont encourage people to risk losing their division, because most people have lives and jobs and dont have the time to grind out games.

We need pvpers spread out across all tiers or this system dies. What makes a player equal to each tier is impossible for a lone player to decide. If match making is improved (less blow out matches)you could possibly get rid of win streaks so that people would cap out sooner at a 50/50 ratio. This would require new to ranked players going through a test period to avtually assign them an mmr to start vs. A default average value.

Predictabilty, not having to change and learn new things. Easier. Reason for most wanting it back though they won’t admit it.

I can always tell people that are not familiar, have barely played the DBL maps because they always cry out for flat places to fight without gimmicks. Hahahaha. Theres more open wide flat places on DBL then ANY other map in this game. With no gimmicks around it.

Combine this with the people who still think the waypoints are in the side towers and you get a clear view of the knowledge level of the people crying out for ABL.

Again, the ABL is just a bandage for deeper technical issues.

They can’t return till scoring and population issues are dealt with.

While i can empathize, something like this makes everything in leagues pointless.

EBs success is due to its size and all three enemies having bases on the same map encouraging more fights. If DBL had mirrored this with just one borderlands map and a slightly shrunken size it would be just as popular.

People have already decided to dislike it before its even out. The alpine borderlands in rotation is a good theory but its a mistake. It wont fix the real issues of population and scoring. Which have been the underlying problem well before HOT.

While i am not against changes to necro i am acutely aware that if they do it is very likely other classes will become out of control. Engi is super strong right now and there would be little to keep it in check. Same with revs and eles i think we would fast see the stand offs on points happening again.

They made it clear this season that enemy pip range would be based off the highest pip person on your team when you queue with someone else. So it is not wise to queue with players in a much higher or lower range then you.

Ben K.6238:

You can bring back the map, but Alpine alone won’t bring back the players. WvW was dying long before HoT.

Why does everyone ignore this?
Why won’t people acknowledge this?

We really need to start being honest with ourselves and while a few of you will rush to those Alpine borderlands. You just dont understand the long term ramifications of such actions.

The instant gratification won’t last long.

RodOfDeath.5247:

“Nights are less dark”

I like my nights dark Tyler…..real dark.

Me tooo lol Love this

jrambo.8467:

Chaba.5410:

Caosaur.3871:

I’m on TC and giving this from a roamer perspective.
On EB the roaming is pretty good, until TC decides to go full ppt hero and there’s nothing to fight for hours at a time. Unless you’re into spawn camping lol.
FA continues to get it’s rear kicked every week and I’m surprised they still try considering they basically took SoS’s position.
Can’t say I actually like fighting DB, but it’s better than the horror stories I’ve heard about YB.
Desert borderlands are still somewhat dead, outside of reset.

I’d say t2 is okay, although I do miss SoS.

LOL!

On EB the fights are pretty good. FA gets its rear kicked every week but there’s plenty to fight.
TC continues to go full ppt hero and I’m surprised they still try considering they basically took the position of the most stacked server.

Right now the tier is about who can ktrain the most: DB during SEA, TC or FA during EU or late night. Thrilling. /sarcasm

I don’t understand the way a net does population. There is no way TC has equal population to either db or FA. They can Zerg across multiple BLs.

Maybe during a short hour of the night we can but we get our kitten handed to us in other hours. Your forgetting that off hours make a difference in this game. It may be that we out number in one timezone and fall flat in another.

In anycase, I LOVE T2 I love this tier, and its my opinion T2 is the best tier for fights at this moment.

:)

Considering the popularity of the Vial of Salt amulet. My friends and i were devising the other night names for an entire Salty Tears armor set.

For Example , we had imagined a Helmet called *Bucket O’Salt" that litterally looked like a metal bucket with eyes cut out.

The chest piece “Salt of the Earth” Could look like it was fashioned of salt like a block of salt.

The pants I loved most, entilted “Bringing the Pepper” To put a little spice in your step>>

Anyhow we were just having fun with it, but I would love to see this as a specialized armor set, as I would wear it proudly.