Guild Wars 2

Conditions have no passive mitigation.

Tell that to the many people out there who use Melandru and Lemongrass. That is what I use on my guardian.

Since mobility is the main source of survivability in GW2, I’d say they’ve done a pretty good job in decreasing the sources of survivability for a necro.

:)

I don’t know, man. I’m kind of liking exploiting the heck out of it with some venom sharing. Love killing people rooted from first contact to death. It’s really funny!

Stark.3085:

BLKNovember.5620:

I’ve known Tyrion since I started commanding, but Z was my friend, I knew his style of commanding, and he was great at it. I don’t see how you can condone the tearing apart of a community, you didn’t say anything about him but the message is clear. No wonder he left FA.

Well its because nobody in APS want to talk about Z.
Z create that guild yes, but he want to destroy that guild at the same time, i will tell you the small history normally people doesnt know about Z and APS.

When Z start see a lot of people follow him and start feeling the pressure of handle a lot of people, he start thinking that APS without him was nothing, so before he leave the guild he say so many bad thing to the people on the guild. For lucky he decide to give the leader to Silo, who was in that time nothing, only a guy who plays a Ranger.

At that moment Delune and Tyrion supports with all their effort to Silo, and make him the Famous Guy, he is now in FA, before that nobody knows anything about Silo.

Now not all people knows but Silo all the time leave the guild for 2-4 weeks and never say " hey i am leaving to do this or that " its basicly thanks to Delune and Tyrion that APS become in a stronge and discipline guild.

With the time passing Z start to realize that he was not the soul of APS, no no APS was made by they players no by one single guy, when Z realized of that, he start to troll the entire server, you just need to ask RET what Z told them.

Z change to JQ DB SoR TC EBay but allways comeback to FA.

There’s a few words who can define what happen to Z : " Live long enough to be a hero or you become a villain "

And he choose the second.

^ What the…..

Nice movie, great content and presentation.

Fuzzion.2504:

EFWinters.5421:

GW2G is good but in my opinion too harshly moderated (although it might be more light since many of those moderators moved to this forum?).

Anyway, I guess it’s going to be GW2G seeing how it’s already an established website with a large community base, and how many of the people posting here already have an account there from before these forums were launched.

And yes… Avatars… And signatures…

How I have missed thee…

How bad is the moderation at GW2Guru ? Anyone knows?

Very bad during beta when most of the people there transitioned to the official forums. It might be better now. Dunno.

Rennoko.5731:

Traxien Cion.9261:

Tricare.2946:

Farming TC at north supply camp the other night. I like how they have to drop siege to do anything.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7KybgQf30Q

So, you killed a leaderless ~10-man TC pug group (rarely all at once) that was at least half uplevels and randoms from RP/PvE guilds over and over again with a 7-man wvw guild group?

Well done, sir. Well done. Your technique is flawless.

Seeing has how TC had the option to respawn dozens of times, and at times came at us with well over 15, I think it was interesting enough to watch, otherwise I wouldn’t have bothered to save the recording.. It was 5 VR and Sixes up until right at the end when one additional VR joined in.

It was all in good fun, but when a commander gets called in for 5 people (I spike him at the orb) it is pretty funny, even if it is a pug commander

Excellent fight. The truth is that a vast majority of the people and guilds in this game could not win that fight with your numbers. Especially the people from guilds that run with 20+.

Cogbyrn.7283

His “troll” is a metaphor for his desperate attempts to do something relevant, but still failing, because that camp is inconsequential.

The whole game is inconsequential. But, it’s still better to win a fight over something inconsequential than to lose a fight over something inconsequential, yes?

http://youtu.be/atxCDhDZJSU?t=1m4s

Also, I always wish I could be on the X-side of these 2-5vX videos just to experience first hand what the issue is with them not being able to bring the small group down.

I guess you weren’t with your guild in the above clip. To be fair, I think we did have six though. :P

If solo, mace and shield is good for fighting melee that has to go toe to toe with you but falls apart against anyone that kites or uses ranged damage. Mace and shield is good for a group since it brings some utility.

Sword is good against both melee and ranged and gives you an extra escape tool when you get zerged, and you will get zerged. For that reason alone, I see sword as a must have for WvW.

Mobility is king in WvW. You can avoid a ton more damage with sword 2 than with mace in the end actually making it the better “defensive” weapon, IMO.

deathTouch.9706:

UltraHiDef.4809:

Jaxs.5830:

UltraHiDef.4809:

Jaxs.5830:

UltraHiDef.4809:

Maguuma fights open field? Lol. I remember wiping Mag guilds pre-league 15 vs. 40+ though. You stopped fighting after that in oceanic time zone now.

Is that why you tanked to silver?

Yes, I was afraid you’d cry me to death.

Valid fear, I cry a lot. Hallmark commercials… need a box of tissues.

Nah, you just need better guilds.

Anyone hear/see of this guy’s guilds listed? Seems like a whole lot of hot air (which I appreciate given how cold it is where I live).

[Meow] used to be on NSP when we were on DR. I believe they transferred off of NSP to join the WM Kaineng bandwagon and have since ended up on FA. I assume that they moved when Kaineng imploded.

when there is no other excuse to use aside from “they outplayed us” or “we played like crap”.

Feh, there are tons of excuses, erm I mean valid reasons for losing an even number fight. You can complain about their classes, their builds, their runes, all kinds of stuff.

My personal favorite reason for losing though is just to let the other side know that we had Dynnen with us. They always seem to be very understanding and even sympathetic to us when we let them know that after a loss.

Here is an actual conversation that took place when trying to set up a 5v5 at the windmill earlier this week.

Enemy: “Wait a second, is that Dynnen with you?”
Me: “Yeah.”
Enemy: “Well, that’s not fair. We can sit out two and 3v5, if you like.”

I don’t see a reason to split the threads.

Vyx.8607:

I do have tools in place to watch the ‘mass voters’. At this point I would like to try to give the system a shot and simply see what happens then adjust from there. My ‘saving grace’ is that there is nothing that up/downvotes do to the system that is permanent. Everything that is hidden can be made visible again.

Reasonable. Then you turn into someone moderating the moderation. It could work if people who abuse the system are given warnings then booted if they continue to abuse the system.

Cogbyrn.7283:

Oozo.7856:

How about this? You stay here and other people who can easily distinguish between things which are serious and things which are not serious can go somewhere else.

Sounds like a good plan to me. I probably wouldn’t get along with folks who can’t handle a few questions about the details of their process. Also, you’re probably correct in that it’s safe to assume that everyone knows the difference between right/wrong, or serious/not serious.

EDIT – You can’t possibly be serious in holding faith that people understand appropriate behavior, then telling someone else not to underestimate how much people suck. You’re killing my robot brain.

Pretty sure that someone who posts personal info and threats knows that what they are doing is wrong. And, if they don’t then they are an antisocial psycopath who should be shunned by the community anyway. There is a difference between knowing what is right and wrong, and deciding to do something anyway when you know it’s wrong (those would be the people that suck that I was referring to).

Is it really that hard to understand?

Vyx.8607:

The moderated forum leads to a question that must be answered – Who do you trust to moderate fairly from within this community?

I can build a moderated forum easily, but I can’t say I trust anyone to moderate it fairly. At some point I trust ‘the wisdom of crowds’ more than any individual moderator.

I like the look of your forum, but relying on mob rule is not a good idea. :P

Whenever there is a dispute the side with more numbers will drown the other side out. And, then they will continue to downvote certain posters about things not even related to them.

Don’t underestimate how much people suck.

Cogbyrn.7283:

Oozo.7856:

Cogbyrn.7283:

LetoII.3782:

Oozo.7856:

but anything that goes too personal is moderated.

Therein lies the rub

That’s exactly what the bard would tell us, and I almost posted a very similar thing.

Isn’t any moderation carebear-style forums? Aren’t personal threats/boasts how real PvPers come and brag?

Don’t you think that if people generally kept their bravado to the game and less about the people, this sub-forum would have stayed open?

Either way, here’s another suggestion: any match-up threads should auto-format all posts to all caps.

I’m talking about things like someone hunting down your RL personal information and posting about it. I’m not talking about someone calling you a moron on a forum.

And no, real PvPers don’t threaten to kill your wife and kids.

The key is exactly where the line is drawn, not using two extremes as examples. That’s the rub.

So you can’t post any actually personal information, and you can’t make threats to a person. But you can call them names and insult them to your heart’s content, as long as those insults don’t mention anything RL about the person.

You might want to write those rules down, so no one complains about moderation later. You can put them in some sort of document, let’s say, a “Code of Conduct”, so people know what is and isn’t appropriate. That’ll insure they don’t complain, since it’ll be written down for them to read whenever they want.

How about this? You stay here and other people who can easily distinguish between things which are serious and things which are not serious can go somewhere else.

Cogbyrn.7283:

LetoII.3782:

Oozo.7856:

but anything that goes too personal is moderated.

Therein lies the rub

That’s exactly what the bard would tell us, and I almost posted a very similar thing.

Isn’t any moderation carebear-style forums? Aren’t personal threats/boasts how real PvPers come and brag?

Don’t you think that if people generally kept their bravado to the game and less about the people, this sub-forum would have stayed open?

Either way, here’s another suggestion: any match-up threads should auto-format all posts to all caps.

I’m talking about things like someone hunting down your RL personal information and posting about it. I’m not talking about someone calling you a moron on a forum.

And no, real PvPers don’t threaten to kill your wife and kids.

The Clague.4765:

Atherakhia.4086:

Jaxs.5830:

I think generally ANET has done well with class balance. They make small, frequent balance changes instead of big balance reviews like other games have done. While balance is not perfect and there things they do that make me /facepalm, overall I think classes are pretty balanced and far more balanced than in past games.

1v1 is always going to be cheesed by specific builds, that is the nature of 1v1, but most of this washes out in group+ play. Not all classes bring all the tools for different scales of play, nor should they.

You want to know an easy way to see if a game is balanced? Ask people to rank the classes from most to least valuable at a specific thing (in this case, the current WvW meta). If everyone comes up with the same list, that isn’t the sign of a balanced game.

So lets run that test….

Does anyone disagree with the classes in this order?

Guardian
Warrior
Necromancer
Elementalist
Mesmer
Engineer
Thief
Ranger

Balance is bad enough when the top half of everyone’s list is made up of the same 4 classes. But to have those same 4 classes in the exact same order? Well that’s a sign that ANet’s not even trying…

So lets see what we come up with.

I might give this list for zerg fights but other parts of the wvw game (roaming, camp capping, small group fights) would get a very different list (e.,g, thief and mesmer would be much higher up).

Yup, that list is highly dependent on the number of people you are running with, the number of people you are fighting, and what exactly you are doing.

Preacher.4836:

Oozo.7856:

Dragonbrand has no underwear…

Ah, so you found my web cam…

Correct. And, using my superior logic skills I then deduced that nobody on Dragonbrand wears underwear.

titanlectro.5029:

Avatar of Belle.9623:

I’d say http://www.gw2wvw.net is the best option. I enjoy reddit but I have banned myself from going to that website as somehow 5 hours of my day disappears every time I visit. It is almost as bad as tvtropes.

What say you community-at-large?

Down-vote moderation can be trolled hard, so I hesitant to use that one.

Do we have someone from GW2guru who we could talk to about meeting the specific needs of this community?

I think the only way appease everyone is a two forum system. One forum with moderation, and one without any moderation. People can then choose which thread they want to be a part of. Additionally, inappropriate posts in the moderated forums can just be dumped into the unmoderated one. Trolls in the moderated forum would be “banned” only from the moderated forum, and could still troll their hearts out in the unmoderated forum.

If someone can get ^this^ to work, then I would hope that both the “trolls” and “care bares” would be ok with it.

Yeah, we just need a ‘smacktalk’ forum where any kind of insults related to the game are allowed, but anything that goes too personal is moderated.

Dragonbrand has no underwear…

I’ve checked.

tiramisu.8706:

Saw your last video Oozo. I enjoyed watching it. That last clip was great. We have a rule to leave your group alone unless one of yours touches us first or it’s even numbered. We were going to move away after we saw your guys go full retreat but then you plagued us and were like, “kitten it, that’s Oozo. Zerg him down so we can be on video”. Glad you had it recorded.

Yeah, I figured you did it because you wanted to be in a movie. ;P

Very cool not interfering with the other fights. Thanks, again.

Why is it that Oceanic PPT heroes can’t understand that when they are matched up against two NA servers that the NA servers have to fight for points when they are online while the Oceanic server fights nobody when they are online.

Fuzzion.2504:

bokkieskitten.8023:

Won’t be moving there. Want less moderation.

Are those forums moderated as well?

They were pretty heavily moderated in the past. In some ways moreso than these forums. They don’t like movie threads at all. Those got locked. Anything negative towards certain “celebrity” guilds were removed.

That is part of the reason why it is dead today.

I guess nobody has ever thought of focus firing people with lichform in sPvP before.

My horse is higher than your horse.

Thrashbarg.9820:

The only way to reduce blobbing (without revamping the entire combat system or putting in some arbitrary scaling mechanic) would be to reduce the map population caps to about 60 players per map.

Then people would run in 60 man zergs. :P

The only way to stop it is to change average human behavior, which won’t happen. The mistake that Anet makes is that they reward this playstyle instead of punishing it.

Some fights against [Hop], [TB], [RAT], and [VP].

RazGerb.6173:

Great fights at Dragonbrand BL tonight.
was fun running with [AD]

Thanks for helping out.

Havvik Nightseeker.3485:

cheers to the AD roaming group. you gave us excellent fights that left us having fun but also frustrated XD. gave us more to work on. hope to continue to fight you in the future

I just think it was more of an issue of being counter-comped than you needing to work on anything. We happened to have a lot of people running guardians for those fights so we had big up time on stability. That allowed us to avoid the CC focus from your heavies and kill the softer targets around the edges until your core was the only thing left.

I suppose you could counter that by having more boon stripping and maybe a few more burst DPSers to put pressure on targets on the edge of the fights like myself.

Your heavy core is very solid and a tough nut to crack.

Excellent fighting from the VP small man today. Sorry about the SE camp, we went to investigate moving dolyaks and weren’t expecting you. People engaged before I could call them off.

Gorefiend.9675:

Oozo.7856:

I think only Amins stayed behind and joined us on EB. The Orb debacle really hit GF hard since I think for most of them the only thing that was keeping them in the game were the organized windmill GvGs.

Read his posts so far. For some reason that dude is very bitter so I would not put much weight into whatever he sais. We are more active now than we had been for a few months.

Ah, cool. I know you guys were really upset with Anet and their decisions. Anyway, there was not some kind of mass defection from GF to AD just to clear that up for other people.

fufu.8345:

Dynnen.6405:

Well to be honest the only real way to stop that cheese condi mesmer build is to hit u with 4+ and tons of CC spam.

Good player + super strong traits + stupid stealth mechanics = well u know

That’s one possible answer or it could take a very well played condition Necromancer.

Fortunately for you we don’t have any of those. I honestly can’t recall when I have piled on to you once your tag was something I recognized. I did attack you outside our spawn but that was only because there was another BP there fighting. When he died, we let you be.

So, again… if I recognize you as a good player who kind of walks the same path we do I will generally cut you some slack if we outnumber you badly or if you are fighting other people. That applies to when I’m around, but not always because as the vT guy said in the previous thread “bloodlust” can get a hold of your group.

So, yes. I have a code. I don’t expect others to follow it. So, I’m only really speaking for myself not for the rest of my group.

fufu.8345:

I did notice that and was astounded, but I think it was mostly because Crank’s behave. Unfortunately when I noticed he wasn’t out with you guys anymore, it went back to 2v1 to 5v1 quickly. I might be rustling some leaves with my words but that’s not my full intention.

I just found it fascinating from what I’ve read from the previous match up thread how you stated that your guild is out for the enjoyment of challenging fights, but yet both of you who replied to my comment both say you’ll zerg a solo player. Regardless it doesn’t really matter and it’s all open world pvp and that is part of the enjoyment of it. Happy hunting!

I didn’t say we never attack solo players. We will attack you if we don’t recognize you as a good player who solo roams or runs small group. I generally cut some slack for people who run like us since I know what it’s like. We will attack you if we recognize your tag as one that zergs. We will attack you if you have annoyed us or add in to fights.

For example, if you play a high mobility warrior who keeps coming in on us and trying to snipe people with stun and 100 blades and then running off while we are fighting other people, we will go after you no matter what our numbers if we run across you again. If you are running some kind of cheesy stupid crap that Anet allows in the game it will increase your chances of getting attacked. Not really talking about you, but more about people who use their builds to troll. Typically thieves and warriors.

The reason you did not get attacked wasn’t because of Crank, it’s because I noticed you observing some of our fights and not interfering. I’m not going to pile on to people who I notice doing that.

With that said, I should have been more careful with what I said before. That applies to when I’m around and people actually listen to me. :P I am usually the person who calls us off targets that like that. If I’m not around, you may or may not get attacked. I don’t expect people to follow my code, not even my friends.

Pelopidas.2140:

getting out of combat takes longer for necros…we might have problems with the class as a class, but saying we need longer to get ooc makes me think that the general frustation leads to imagining problems that arent there

Depends on your build. Staff leaves behind marks that keep us in combat when someone runs through them. The jagged horror also creates issues here as well if you have that trait. It’s not imagined.

For the same reason, things like mass invis to escape are hit or miss with the necro.

Jaxs.5830:

dreztina.4820:

Winkin.1490:

dreztina.4820:

I know there aren’t any roamers on FA, but didn’t a roaming guild transfer to TC a while back? Was that Oozo’s guild?

You’re probably thinking of Good Fights. Pretty sure AD is on EBay still.

Ah, I really should have remembered that. I blame it on GF never posting in matchup threads.

Most of the good GF stayed and joined AD, they are a shell of a guild now.

I think only Amins stayed behind and joined us on EB. The Orb debacle really hit GF hard since I think for most of them the only thing that was keeping them in the game were the organized windmill GvGs.

Good fights against VP last night. Big ups!

ActionCat.4162:

sinject.4607:

dragonbrand is hilarious, containing mostly of what i can only assume are the worst WvW players I have ever seen. I’ve done multiple 1v3+ fights against them and win almost all the time. so if anyone ever asks, “why are there never any roamers from db?” just know it’s because they can’t LOL.

Id rather win with my friends and comrades in arms as a team, then running around alone going IM THE BESTEST IN THE WORLDDDDD!!!

Teamwork is key. If ya dont like it, deal with it.

Teamwork is something to take pride in when you use it to win against even or superior numbers.

CrazyCanuck.4265:

Oozo.7856:

Although, Creepy is right.

Oh no, my worst nightmare. Being mistaken for creepy silent.

Edit: and now its fixed. Nightmare over.

Haha, yeah fixed it already. The C throws me off sometimes.

CrazyCanuck.4265:

fufu.8345:

RazGerb.6173:

To be honest I see what oozo means.
After roaming for ONE hour on my newly made necro.
I was ganked by BP 17 times, not a single fair fight.
Then roaming with a group Rekz feels the need to be meanies to us.

Don’t worry Oozo’s group zergs solo’s also, he’s just a hypocrite and says they don’t.

We only really “zerg” down one person when they play things like PU condi mesmers. But that is just out of principle.

Actually, we haven’t been attacking this mesmer at all recently, when I’m around anyway. The only time I’ve attacked them was when they were at our zone-in fighting some of us with some other BP. You can actually see this mesmer hanging around the back in one of the fights I’ve posted recently. Why? Because we had not been attacking him.

There was a time when he ported up a cliffside right next to me, I started attacking him then stopped when I saw his tag and three of us let him go his way. His thanks? Insults, of course.

I’ve also called our group off of the KoM engineer more than a few times. Do you think we don’t see you? There is one thing roamers are good at and that is panning. We know if you are near us. If you don’t get attacked it’s because I, that being me, has called it off. Now, I’m a much nicer person than my friends.

BSty will kill you unless they know you personally. They are the real killers in our group. I’m just a carebear.

Although, Alyrico is right as well. We will sometimes zerg down people who play cheese builds just as a matter of principle.

ownX.8352:

Oozo.7856:

Rinzler.8072:

Oozo.7856:

Zero class, vT.

How so ?

Thought we had some good fights there.

Which was the most fun for you?

A. The 4v4 you lost
B. The 6v4 you won when you came back with more people
C. The 8v6 you won with 2 BP adding to your six. Can’t blame you for that.
D. Ganking people while they were separated from the main group with 10 BP
E. Coming in with 7 and attacking 5 while we were still separated and trying to build stacks. Bonus points for the mass invis and leading with moa out of stealth to burst me down. Really good play there.

I’m a bit confused because you seem to have selective counting / perspective.

You say no class? Jumping people watching a 1v1 or reving an ally is an example of this class you speak of? Perhaps it’s coming to the forums stating a guild has no class because of open play and fights? Regardless of any of that I’d say go back and watch the video(s) ( if you recorded / didn’t delete it) and actually count rather than call out random numbers.

As for your List-

A. What 4v4? I was there at all the encounters and neither said at any point had 4 maybe 4 in your party but there was more than 4 and you even had enough time to run back.

B. 6v4 not SURE you guys had 4 nor that we had 6 we just having fun and fighting.

C. the 8v6 you seems to only count BP’s pugs and not your own.

D. Ganking people while they were separated from the main group… It’s open field fight not a gvg or 5v5 – I would think you guys would stick together better maybe?

E. Pretty much same thing as D. but with the twist of Moa which we found pretty funny.

-In short no ones posting on forums saying “YEAH STEAM ROLLED BSTY” or throwing siege on you and recording it /loling… We’re simply having fun roaming – So not sure why you’re getting all high and mighty with a few simple fights.

Here you go. It’s amazing how reality rarely matches up with perception. And, I don’t mean that in an insulting way. When I go back and look at fraps footage what really happened often doesn’t match up with what I think happened.

Sambob.4528:

Ah sorry, must of read that wrong. I do apologize

Nah, I was imprecise with my language.

Sambob.4528:

Too Ooze, cause i am forum noob and do not know how to correctly quote someone. “Too many people care about winning and not about having fun”, Yeah well if you say that there… You later post “Explain to me why we would want to fight you giving away both numbers and buffs?”… The second quote sounds to me like your saying; theres no point in fighting if we aren’t going to win. So GG, on that contradiction. And too as one of your pals, Dynnen. He has stated, some people prefer playing specific builds/ game styles.. Like i have said before people like 40 man zergs, deal with it. And cause im uber QQ’ing here; yes im in VP. But it was cute when you joined a friend of mines party and said ‘lol u guys have to use elites on us’… or something on the lines of that. What would you rather us do? Keep elites saved up for moas? Or if we siply just use 1,2,3,4,5 and the occasional 6; would we just be mindless zergers?
Whoa this is a pretty big post better end this:)

No contradiction. To be more precise I should have said care more about winning than having fun. Of course, I care about winning but not to the extent that I would intentionally try to remove the challenge from the fight. Fun to me is a challenging fight that you could win or lose. Fights that you are almost guaranteed to lose or are almost guaranteed to win aren’t fun (to me).

Shouldn’t this have been posted to reddit or something?

AphoticEssance.7592:

Oozo.7856:

AphoticEssance.7592:

Oozo.7856:

Aeonblade.8709:

Oozo.7856:

Preacher.4836:

Guys… This is WvW. It’s not designed to be perfectly balanced, and that is most notable in the small group fights. WvW is not about making sure that your opponent and you have the same advantages and disadvantages, and smart players will always try to give themselves the advantage. Advantages can be number of players, skill of players, maneuvering/fight location and a bunch of other things.

So yeah you died because you were outnumbered, out of position or out skilled. If you don’t want to die change your behavior and adapt. Only a fool will expect his enemy to give him a fair fight, so make sure the odds are in your favor before you commit.

Now, if you want the short and sweet version. Stop complaining that it wasn’t fair.

Preacher

When exactly did AZRG change from a guild that used to fight the odds (great movies, btw)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UdPs52iTeA

to a guild that will only commit when the odds are in their favor?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f36ZG_JR-bk

Uh. So what was a random video of you dying to 3 or 4 different guilds that probably had no knowledge of some 1v1 that was all in your head prove exactly? I’m just watching this from the side with popcorn, but whatever that video was supposed to be it just made it seem like you are whining. The people that came in and stomped you weren’t even the same tag.

The point is that the AZRG players were running with twenty+ people chasing six dutifully following the ‘only engage when the odds are in your favor’ philosophy.

A philosophy which I’m sure you personally hold dear to heart.

Cry much? If you and your group decides to troll zerg and runaway of course the zerg is going to chase. Which in your case I can see happening often.

Are you the same guy that joined my team the other day and was complaining that we were using our elite skills? If that was you, try not biting off more than you can chew next time.

I roam in small groups and 1 v X all the time but I do not come on here crying if I get zerged. Are you seriously telling my that you never been in a group that outnumbered a foe? Give me a break.

The reason why we tag zergs and run is to try to get some of them to extend out and turn on them. Sometimes it’s too much to handle, sometimes it’s not. We would not need to do this is if people would stop running in zonewide zergs. By that, I mean nearly every single enemy in the zone is running together. When that happens, we either find nothing to fight, find people who are lost trying to get to the zerg, or find the zerg itself.

With the exception of people who are lost trying to get to their zerg, we are outnumbered in about 90% of our fights.

What is your tag, BTW?

edit: NM, you run with VP
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/wuv/matchups/8-9-BP-YB-EB/2640064

Never seen anybody research people’s post before and admit it. lol Nice

Yeah, I am in VP. They are a very fun group to run with.

Also, I agree it is hard to find small group fights nowadays.

Fair warning: I’m on vacation and have a lot of free time while rendering movies.

AphoticEssance.7592:

Oozo.7856:

Aeonblade.8709:

Oozo.7856:

Preacher.4836:

Guys… This is WvW. It’s not designed to be perfectly balanced, and that is most notable in the small group fights. WvW is not about making sure that your opponent and you have the same advantages and disadvantages, and smart players will always try to give themselves the advantage. Advantages can be number of players, skill of players, maneuvering/fight location and a bunch of other things.

So yeah you died because you were outnumbered, out of position or out skilled. If you don’t want to die change your behavior and adapt. Only a fool will expect his enemy to give him a fair fight, so make sure the odds are in your favor before you commit.

Now, if you want the short and sweet version. Stop complaining that it wasn’t fair.

Preacher

When exactly did AZRG change from a guild that used to fight the odds (great movies, btw)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UdPs52iTeA

to a guild that will only commit when the odds are in their favor?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f36ZG_JR-bk

Uh. So what was a random video of you dying to 3 or 4 different guilds that probably had no knowledge of some 1v1 that was all in your head prove exactly? I’m just watching this from the side with popcorn, but whatever that video was supposed to be it just made it seem like you are whining. The people that came in and stomped you weren’t even the same tag.

The point is that the AZRG players were running with twenty+ people chasing six dutifully following the ‘only engage when the odds are in your favor’ philosophy.

A philosophy which I’m sure you personally hold dear to heart.

Cry much? If you and your group decides to troll zerg and runaway of course the zerg is going to chase. Which in your case I can see happening often.

Are you the same guy that joined my team the other day and was complaining that we were using our elite skills? If that was you, try not biting off more than you can chew next time.

I roam in small groups and 1 v X all the time but I do not come on here crying if I get zerged. Are you seriously telling my that you never been in a group that outnumbered a foe? Give me a break.

The reason why we tag zergs and run is to try to get some of them to extend out and turn on them. Sometimes it’s too much to handle, sometimes it’s not. We would not need to do this is if people would stop running in zonewide zergs. By that, I mean nearly every single enemy in the zone is running together. When that happens, we either find nothing to fight, find people who are lost trying to get to the zerg, or find the zerg itself.

With the exception of people who are lost trying to get to their zerg, we are outnumbered in about 90% of our fights.

What is your tag, BTW?

edit: NM, you run with VP
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/wuv/matchups/8-9-BP-YB-EB/2640064

Aeonblade.8709:

Oozo.7856:

Preacher.4836:

Guys… This is WvW. It’s not designed to be perfectly balanced, and that is most notable in the small group fights. WvW is not about making sure that your opponent and you have the same advantages and disadvantages, and smart players will always try to give themselves the advantage. Advantages can be number of players, skill of players, maneuvering/fight location and a bunch of other things.

So yeah you died because you were outnumbered, out of position or out skilled. If you don’t want to die change your behavior and adapt. Only a fool will expect his enemy to give him a fair fight, so make sure the odds are in your favor before you commit.

Now, if you want the short and sweet version. Stop complaining that it wasn’t fair.

Preacher

When exactly did AZRG change from a guild that used to fight the odds (great movies, btw)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UdPs52iTeA

to a guild that will only commit when the odds are in their favor?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f36ZG_JR-bk

Uh. So what was a random video of you dying to 3 or 4 different guilds that probably had no knowledge of some 1v1 that was all in your head prove exactly? I’m just watching this from the side with popcorn, but whatever that video was supposed to be it just made it seem like you are whining. The people that came in and stomped you weren’t even the same tag.

The point is that the AZRG players were running with twenty+ people chasing six dutifully following the ‘only engage when the odds are in your favor’ philosophy.

A philosophy which I’m sure you personally hold dear to heart.

Preacher.4836:

Guys… This is WvW. It’s not designed to be perfectly balanced, and that is most notable in the small group fights. WvW is not about making sure that your opponent and you have the same advantages and disadvantages, and smart players will always try to give themselves the advantage. Advantages can be number of players, skill of players, maneuvering/fight location and a bunch of other things.

So yeah you died because you were outnumbered, out of position or out skilled. If you don’t want to die change your behavior and adapt. Only a fool will expect his enemy to give him a fair fight, so make sure the odds are in your favor before you commit.

Now, if you want the short and sweet version. Stop complaining that it wasn’t fair.

Preacher

When exactly did AZRG change from a guild that used to fight the odds (great movies, btw)

to a guild that will only commit when the odds are in their favor?