Guild Wars 2

Why is everyone making a big deal about stealth not dropping aggro? Before=I went into stealth, they went back to their spawn

current= I go into stealth, they sit there staring at where I once was like idiots.
It’s not like they still attack you and it gives you 3s (4 if traited) to run away or reposition.
I honestly don’t see that big a problem with stealth not dropping aggro it still hasn’t affected me.

So about that fight at the end with the Norn…….who won? It’s honestly killing me

Frenk.5917:

What for D/P balanced (0-10-30-30-0) build? Oh well, it doesn’t matter. We always start a fight with stealth. Do we ever come out of stealth, btw? Last time I got revealed was 2 weeks ago.. Joking :P

The only advice here is watch your initiative XD, and try not to kitten off small groups, they’ll get us nerfed……again

Authority.6145:

RedSpectrum.1975:

Oh Authority, I don’t know why I did’nt clear this up sooner, by my D/D build isnt glass cannon 10/30/30/0/0…whoopsies. Sorry if any out there got snapped in half

Haha. No worries. What type of build is it then? Do I need to change anything from the tips given in my main post due to that?

It is the 10/30/30/0/0 or 0/30/30/10/0 balanced build.

Also Battle of Khylo, going into the Clocktower through a wall, and going up some cliffs in WvW. I too want to know how this works.

LOL why doesn’t she just wp?

ShadyNZL.9018:

RedSpectrum.1975:

ShadyNZL.9018:

Ajaxx: From one art master to another, may I receive some criticism of one of my latest works following along the same theme. I am considering submitting this as the new loading screen for Frostgate Gorge.

Oh, the emotion, the feeling. Truly breathtaking. I was blown away by the sheer impact this piece brought on me. Jormag is fearing away those poor people, yet the underlying message beneath this incredible piece of art cuts me deeper than a hot knife through butter. Sure they may have failed at that instant. But they tried. It wasn’t one, it was many. All unified and inspired by the belief that by working together, individuals make a very large impact. Yes, they may be running away, and one of them may be down, but they went there from the start with no fears, and they will surely go back again trying. (is crying hysterically) This magnificent piece of art is a 10/10

Thank you for your review. You are obviously a high standing art critic and I am privileged to have my art assessed by the likes of yourself. Do you do appraisals as well? As a up and coming GW2 artist specializing in Elder Dragons I’m yet to sell a piece and unsure how much a work like this would go for at auction. Any assistance would be much appreciated.

Hmm yes, unfortunately it is a re-do of the original, however, the original is easily worth 500g. BUT the owner said it was worth nothing. So a little math here and there actually puts you at 501g.

Robert Hrouda.1327:

Volrath.1473:

let me brake it down for you (and i do not play BS spec)

Basilisk Venom (Elite Skill) > Assassin’s Signet > Cloak and Dagger > Steal > move behind the target > Backstab

By now if you cant avoid a backstab on a 1v1 you are doing it wrong man.
When I’m caught off guard and unprepared is one thing but if I see him coming, no way he will be able to backstab me even once during the fight.

Pretty much this. There’s a lot of play in that build/combo, and so long as you keep your wits about you, you should be okay. There’s also some really interesting feints that can happen withb that build, where at the moment of cloaking, if you let them blow their invulns and dodge rolls early, you can take advantage of it. Everyone expects the damage to come ASAP, but if you delay it even a couple seconds players will blow their skills by over-reacting to it.

I can attest to this. I have found that by playing “patiently” I am more successful. I have four seconds of stealth which is a decent time to stick by them, or clones/pet/minions, and wait for them to stop moving and get a clear opening to restealth and proceed to go about fighting. I I rush, Im the one who ends up suffering, especially with necromancers. It feels good when Im invisible and start running along side them while the place their marks on the ground behind them not even knowing they are missing me, and when they are done, I’ll backstab

zexion.5842:

Robert Hrouda.1327:

gimmethegepgun.1284:

So why is this not ok but thief burst is?

Because there is play in thief burst. There is play there, and that spike isn’t a single attack that’s 150% your max HP in damage. Thieves need to execute a series of skills in a row, in which at any time the victim has the potential to mitigate or have some sort of play to save themselves or stop the thief. You just don’t see that with the 100nades stuff, or its a window so narrow that we as devs weren’t happy with the play from both sides of the equation as attacker/defender.

There is no “play” in mug – backstab combo.

That’s debatable. I use BV, I have mug, and I primarily backstab, but I’m not the typical 25/30/x/x/x, Im 10/30/30/0/0 which every thief and their mother knows is the balanced build right now. As you can guess, unless they are uplvlds or very squishy targets, I don’t down people in three seconds. It is uncommon for me do the typical thief burst and have it actually down someone because as the dev said, it’s not one skill we use, its a chain which can, and is sometimes, interrupted. My backstabs only hit for 6k, 7k when sig of fire is factored in and works….. most of the battles I’m in are pretty decently battles in terms of length. This one fight I had with a mesmer went on for about a minute an a half which on paper doesn’t sound like a long time. But it is, it’s a painstakingly long time when you’re such a squishy class, and I traded dmg for survivability so that’s saying something. I don’t use BV and mug to burst people down, unless I know for a fact that it will be very effective. I use it as an opening/ momentum breaker. I especially love it when Im fighting another thief, it can literally turn the tide of the fight. My point is that just because we mug and backstab doesn’t mean we don’t need a sense of awareness and caution. If anything in my opinion I would say that the balanced build takes more skill than the GC one. Don’t get me wrong, you GC’s out there that don’t die, nice job. That 11k health must be hard to work with, But they believe in killing the opponent before they even know what hit them. And it’s ok if the backstab doesn’t down, the 8k heartseeker afterwards will do the trick. With me it’s like I initiate a burst on a guardian and their health barely goes down, then they slowly turn to look at me saying, “My turn” with an evil grin. At which it then becomes evident Im going to need a not more than raw damage to win the fight.

Mine does, she has a light purple hue. If you think about it it makes since, their skin is leaves and such so its would reflect a lot better than flesh :p

What are your specs?

ShadyNZL.9018:

Ajaxx: From one art master to another, may I receive some criticism of one of my latest works following along the same theme. I am considering submitting this as the new loading screen for Frostgate Gorge.

Oh, the emotion, the feeling. Truly breathtaking. I was blown away by the sheer impact this piece brought on me. Jormag is fearing away those poor people, yet the underlying message beneath this incredible piece of art cuts me deeper than a hot knife through butter. Sure they may have failed at that instant. But they tried. It wasn’t one, it was many. All unified and inspired by the belief that by working together, individuals make a very large impact. Yes, they may be running away, and one of them may be down, but they went there from the start with no fears, and they will surely go back again trying. (is crying hysterically) This magnificent piece of art is a 10/10

Might as well join the fun

DD or DP 10/30/30/0/0 or 0/30/30/10/0

When I land that BV CnD Steal BS (10/30/30) and their health barely goes down. Like, barely, or when I see 100 ppl a comin mah way

I agree with Sir Vincent, if you land a heavy BS at the start of a fight and it barely does jack kitten, disengaging may be a viable effort. Not that I’m saying I always do, but if I need to be somewhere and your def is holding me up then more time for you. For both of us.

I like this vid.

Apparently, my post is invisible -_-

Faeyd.5094:

Hey I’m not sniping the OP at all – I liked his vid – just saying the necro has 3 life bars and it takes time for anyone to burn through them… even the legendarily instakill thief class

30SA
All valk armor with zerk everything else
runes of the wurm, thats me right there

Faeyd.5094:

Good vid – somewhat ‘normal’ view of a thief which is a nice change.

I wonder of the necro feels you and your thief buddy were overpowered?

I went and made a cup of tea while waiting for you guys to kill it. LOL

I am not ashamed to admit scenarios like that happen to me. I’ll be trying to kill a runner but I have no end or init left so it takes ages, but hey it happens.

Rafahil.2857:

Make sure to switch out one of your accuracy sigils as they don’t stack with each other. Also check out sup. rune of the pack or do it like I did with 5 runes of eagle and 1 rune of thief.

If he wants survivability, wurm runes are good as well

Sarrow.2785:

So a thief walks into a bar…

“Mate, what’s got you down?” says the bartender, because he’s noticed that the thief is looking very sad.
“I dunno,” sighs the thief. “I just get the feeling that no one really likes me.”
“Why not ask that norn guardian over there in the corner,” says the barman.

So the thief goes up to the norn guardian. “Why doesn’t anyone like me?” he asks.
“Maybe it’s because you don’t have good support abilities,” the guardian bellows over his pitcher of ale. “I give lots of helpful support and everyone likes me. Why not ask that mesmer over there?”

So the thief wipes the flecks of ale from his face and approaches the mesmer. “Why doesn’t anyone like me?” he asks.
“I’m sitting right here,” the mesmer croons, beckoning him with a slender finger. “You were speaking to a clone. Maybe no one likes you because you can’t portal people about. I portal people everywhere and they all like me. Why not bother that warrior over there.”

So the thief goes up to the warrior. “Why doesn’t anyone like me,” he asks.
“Hmm,” growls the warrior. Maybe it’s because you don’t charge headfirst into the enemy. I always lead the charge into battle and everyone likes me. Go ask that dev over there before I crush you with my superior damage."

The thief gives one final sigh and approaches the dev.
“Why doesn’t anyone like me?” he asks.
The dev puts down his coffee, slides his plate of cookies to the side and looks the thief square in the eye.

“Dude.” He says. “You’re a thief.”

XD there is no ranger! I love jokes within jokes

What I like about this video is how honest it is. It isnt “Rofl watch me faceroll every one in 1337 hax ways”. He just just playing, which isnt bad at all. Nice video.
EDIT: yeah i use full valk and zerker weapons and jewelry too : 3 same traits too cept I have 10 in DA

Was this after the patch? If so, Hi five DD user:D and no guys he’s not GC

Absolutely incredible. The color just give off the vivid imagery of the terrain, I can practically feel Jormags icy breath as it washes over my characters and their allies. The emotion is also well captured. The sense that this may all be for nothing, yet we will continue to fight anyway is truly breathtaking. The cannons are just full of life and the intensity of their flames burn through my soul. And you, your character shooting little missiles at Jormag truly brings tears to my eyes. He understands that he may not stand a chance at all, that this whole effort may be for not. But he won’t know until he tries :’(. This really relays the message that life may be difficult, and it may not give you what you deserve, that no good deed goes unpunished, but anyone can truly make a difference -sniff- 10/10

Grimwolf.7163:

It may be that you take full damage from attacks while stealthed, but a really beautiful aspect of it is that the other person doesn’t actually see when they’ve hit you. No damage numbers or anything like that appear for them.
If you’re willing to take a hit or two, it isn’t hard to make your way past them for a Backstab even if they are flipping out attacking the air.

And I agree with you. But I urge for people to do something, anything instead of just being like : “Whelp, they went in stealth, fights over, Im done, game over, time to go to the forums and complain about this and report this player.”

Just something I’ve observed which may help out any non-thieves that just happen to be here (we all know you’re here just sitting and not replying). When I go into stealth- and I know I’m not the only one here who’s experienced this- the people that panic are generally better off than the “imma look at the grass maybe I can see footprints” people. In other words, those people that just start randomly swinging in every direction and running in circles when I go into stealth can really screw over my tactics. Albeit hilarious I can’t tell you how many gashes other have given just by doing that, swinging around and not just standing there backing up. Or the backstabs that have hit the front. Am I saying panic? Of course….not, but don’t just sit there and do nothing It honestly irks me when I successfully land a backstab on an dual axe wielding warrior or any class that has a similar skill to whirling axe.

I don’t even think they are muskets. Yeah they look like them in some cases, but both rifles and pistols can heard heard expelling ammunition shells when fired. Shells. Which means it wasn’t light gunpowder and the resulting boom accelerated the projectile inside. No these use actual bullets.

Pretty much what Doggie said, any thief build can be zerg viable because in the end your job as a thief is the same, wittle down the enemy zerg by picking out targets and eliminating one by one

Only THREE people have actually taken the time to thank this man (or woman) for their insight. THIS WONT HAPPEN AGAIN GUYS. To OP: thank you for understanding

lol you say doodle. thats art

Stooperdale.3560:

There was another MMO where thieves could pickpocket money from mobs. Nobody took a thief in their group because players thought it was coming out of shared loot. Iit didn’t actually matter whether the rumor was true or not. All your suggestions there will hit the same problems. Players will resent thieves for doing something other classes can’t do, taking something that might not be theirs, or getting more for the same work. It’s all the reasons why thieves aren’t liked in the real world really and it’s an easy design decision to edit these features out of the game.

I wont lie I laughed hard at this. Mainly the part: “It’s all the reasons why thieves aren’t liked in the real world really….” :‘D I’m not being mean for some reason this made me laugh…because we are hated everywhere

Fire, fire, fire! makes me laugh everytime I hear one of them say that.

I like when my sylvari gets defeated then revived, she’s like :“I’M UP, I’m up” as if she was caught sleeping on the job XD

Or when i finish somebody off in pvpwvw, she’s like “Oh, that had to hurt”

Pawstruck.9708:

Here’s an idea: What if Last Refuge provided 1 or 2 seconds where you couldn’t fall below 1 hp?

This would make it sort of a last ditch ability to give yourself a couple more seconds to react, stealthed even, to whatever is going on. Even so, I don’t feel like this would be TOO overpowered because if you have a condition on you or the person attacking you is providing any sort of continuous damage at all, you still die. Plus it has a loooooong cooldown (which could even be made longer).

I think this is a good idea. Could use some modifying of which I wont do since I’m lazy right now :p but you have a point. As I’ve said before, as a thief when our health is close to 25%, the next hits or hits will down us pretty much after that making last refuge always activate as your on the ground. Not much help there now is it?

I swear a saw a girl that looked just like #7

This is really a matter of what fits your play style, I don’t have a mesmer so I won’t comment on them, but necromancers are durable and will not go down easily as they do have the highest health pool. The caveat being they aren’t the strongest hitters but that doesn’t make them any less deadly. Necromancers know they will out last their opponents so their fighting style focuses on just that

SuLor.2840:

I’ve only ever had 1, and I’ve been playing almost daily since launch

I would just leave it at this, but 15 characters were needed.

Selver.1307:

I should clarify. Map it before you enter dub v dub.

Also.

(Begins to cast his)
RAISE MY ARMS ALL BIG LIKE
(Headshot, pulled/pushed)
SS
SR
(Pulled out)
Die.

I laughed so hard at this since this is the typical thief death scenario XD

Honestly it’s useless since it is uncommon to just have your health fall below 25%. Usually hits will hit you for that much, and then more making Last Refuge activate as your going down to the ground. Makes it rather useless.

kittenzlenit.7648:

Teamkiller.4315:

Brassnautilus.2941:

7k/10s regen, chain stun, 3 cantrips and a pet.
NO eles aren’t OP. we all just need to l2p

The people in the video do in fact need to l2p. You will notice that he slaughtered numerous other DD eles in the video.

What’s the point of linking a video of two really good players taking on 18 guys? One could just as easily link a video of lolthief:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACOxV5CA52w

And claim they’re OP. Nope. That’s not skill there, that’s the class being OP. Yup. Two instant accesses to stealth + blind, double stunbreaker and condition cleanser in one utility. Oh, and stability + projectile reflect with no aoe limit as an elite. 17k HP 2.6k armor and rolling out 6-7k backstabs with ease. Yup, not OP at all.

…

But then, you might notice, he also kills a ton of thieves, so one might start to wonder “hmmm maybe this guy is good, and it’s not the thief class that’s OP” just like you should consider “maybe these guys are really good and it’s not the ele class that is OP. Oh, and their opponents were inexperienced and upleveled judging from the lack of focus and CC use”.

I’ve noticed that from thieves being called OP a lot of you guys have defensively started to look at other classes and call them OP. You’re no better than those who whine of thieves being overpowered without bothering to do their research now.

Funny, because the build yishis plays in that video has been nerfed… lets guess why?

And to add, Yishis knows he can’t be seen or else he’ll get rolfstomped hard. Yet D/D Ele’s can take so much punishment and be seen and targeted by everyone at the same time. She rarely even used her actual heal skill.

wookie.8934:

This will likely be patched. Don’t hold your breath.

If thieves can use it it will be patched

back to zerg surfing

Kasama.8941:

All the mobility skills you could ever need, are already in the game:

Shortbow – already has Disabling Shot and Infiltrator’s Arrow
Sword – already has Infiltrator’s Strike/Shadow Return
Sword/Dagger – already has Flanking Strike
Dagger/Pistol – already has Shadow Shot
Dagger/Dagger – already has Death Blossom
Pistol/Dagger – already has Shadow Strike
Harpoon Gun – already has Escape and Ink Shot
Spear – already has Flanking Strike, Tow Line, and Shadow Assault

Next to that you have:
Withdraw
Shadowstep/Shadow Return
Infiltrator’s Signet
Signet of Agility (refill endurance)
Shadow Trap
Roll for Initiative
and finally Steal

So what exactly is it that you think you’re missing?

And don’t get me wrong you have a valid point, however where it falls is if people actually use those skills. Just because I go Dagger dagger doesnt mean I use death blossom (and it doesnt mean im gc either -_-)

It just sucks being outmanuevered by a dd ele….so kitten graceful

Soooo is it fixed or is it not?

Well you technically cannot “die” in this game so yeah :p

I actually like checking it. Sometimes I want my sylvari walking around in casual areas with her anon hood looking all cute dark and evil.

I will now have an incentive to go D/P S/D…..amidoinitriteguys?

I too am having connection issues recently….