6200+ hours. I have no idea who is those “veteran players” and why they are whining about, but I have no problem with paying for game after that amount of time in it.
No, because of the nature of the whole document. It’s basically an introductory history lesson for Cantha from the point of view of a “post-Flameseeker Prophecies” Ascalon ambassador.
Not just “Ascalon ambassador”, but Ascalon ambassador approved by Adelbern, who had quite specific view on war events and pretty unlikely could approve someone who didn’t share his mindset. Ambassador is a voice of king.
Because it was written by GW2 writers…
By GW2 writers and not by GW1 writers? You have confirmation on this from anet? Because this is pretty interesting claim.
1582 CC (1072 AE)
“And so we reach the present day. At the time of this writing, the kingdom of Ascalon is recovering from the conflict with the Charr and is establishing new treaties with the Krytans and Elonians.”
Sounds like “we were struck badly and now trying to recover from blow, sending ambassadors to Kryta and Elona, asking them for help”. And as we know, they never recovered enough, final assault of Ascalon City ended them. And help never arrived.
Doesn’t matter, you said all. One human brought down Orr, no more.
He was human or charr? Which race annihilated Orr?
No it’s not. Scarlet woke a dragon immediately with one spike of magic, a whole continent falling on a dragon wouldn’t do it??
Scarlet was an all-around genius, with colossal resources, and even with that she was able to do it only after gathering data across whole world and final strike into very specific spot.
Searing-level =/= Searing itself. So the Searing and invasion couldn’t quite defeat Ascalon, but the regular Charr army defeated the full might of Orr(which was at the very least the equal of Kryta or Ascalon) in twelve hours flat.
Orr most likely was already ravaged by Third Guild War.
The Third Guild War (referred to by some as the Guild War) was the bloodiest and the most recent of the Guild Wars, and the first to include Orr. The kingdom of Orr had not wanted to get drawn in, which it had successfully avoided during the first two conflicts, but when foreign guilds began fighting on the streets of Arah, they felt obliged to retaliate.
Entirely Khilbron’s deed. It’s extremely obvious ANet2 used the Cataclysm scenario as a blueprint for the Foefire. The parallels are astounding. I wouldn’t be surprised if they somehow make Abaddon responsible too…even though he’s supposed to be gone.
And Khilbron was an evil charr or rightful Vizier of Orr?
Oh I see, so the Krytans could have withstood a “Searing-level” attack, but the Ascalons couldn’t? Like you said, it was just a matter of time in Ascalon right? Why would Kryta be different?
Kryta was struck by second Searing? I’m missed something?
The Vizier wouldn’t have read the scroll that caused the Cataclysm…had the Charr not been on their doorstep about to wipe them all out. Saying the Charr didn’t cause Orr’s demise is like saying the Allies didn’t cause Germany losing the war because Hitler killed himself in Berlin before the Allies could get there. If Bob points a gun at me and I shoot myself first, is Bob innocent?
Bob will be accused for threatening you. Turning conventional war into the total genocide of everything around is entirely Orr humans deed.
Ascalon survived the Searing, and didn’t “lose” until GW2 was in development. So you can’t really argue that Ascalon lost in GW1 when they didn’t until GW2 development. In other words, had GW2 never been made, human Ascalon would still be there.
Ascalon wasn’t completely destroyed by Searing, but I can’t remember them successfully pushing invasion back to north. They just won some time, thanks to heroes.
LA was sunk by Zhaitan’s rising, not by Orr’s sinking.
That was consequences of previous events. You build your greatest magic city on top of sleeping Elder Dragon and then blow it up by some ultimate spell. Gee, I wonder why he awakened.
Kryta would have lost to the Charr with or without its king.
Because Mursaat and their marionettes said so? Ascalon was able to fight back while being ravaged by Searing, but Kryta, oh, Kryta was clearly unable to defend themselves without their new glorious overlords.
The Searing opened the door for Orr’s annihilation and Kyrta barely escaped by letting the Mursaat enslave them. The Charr certainly tried, read your history.
Last time when I read it, Orr was annihilated by humans, remains of Ascalon was wiped out by their own king and Kryta was barely touched by invasion. Oh, I forgot, Kryta suffered very heavy losses in that war, entire Lions Arch was sunk… by Orr humans.
So much for evil Charr.
It’s interesting that the Searing, which was 250 years ago and let the Charr nearly wipe humanity off the Tyrian continent, should be forgived and forgotten.
And since when Ascalon = humanity? Also, serves them right.
The concept of “Canon” didn’t really exist until the 1600s at the earliest, with the advent of the earliest forms of copyright, and even then didn’t become widespread until the 1800s in regard to fiction specifically.
Before then, it was basically completely normal for people to take stories created by other people and retcon them or make up a continuation as they pleased. This is basically how most “public domain” properties in the modern sense came to exist; Fairy tales, Arthurian legend, etc, were all made up by individuals and then iterated upon a million times in different directions by others.
However, unlike today, none of those extensions were considered any more valid then the others. For example, there were probably close to hundreds of different interpretations of the Lancelot+Arthur+Guinevere love triangle penned by different authors, but were any of them considered “Canon”, even the original? Well, no, they weren’t. They were all equally valid, because people recognized they were just stories. Made up stuff.
The modern trend of establishing a one-true-narrative for a fictional universe is an aberration of storytelling that came about as a result of modern capitalism, and the desire for individuals and corporations to keep the exclusive right to monetize their intellectual properties. It is unnatural and awkward and forced and leads to bizzare conversations like this where people are debating how one piece of made-up fluff is somehow more valid then some other piece of made-up fluff.
I don’t believe any iterations of Guild Wars are any more valid then any other. The original stand-alone story of prophecies is still valid, as is the extension brought about by Factions, and Nightfall after that, and, yes, Guild Wars 2. All of them are seperate works created by varyingly different people, and are equal.
But you are wrong. You are not participating in some writing contest, you playing game owned by Anet, on Anet servers. “My game – my rules”.
Well what I hate is when GW2 players think that the whole “the Flame Legion did it” mantra even existed in Prophecies. There was zero indication of this. In fact, the Flame Legion itself wasn’t even written into the narrative until Eye of the North.
Well, lets see. Fire cult, magic users as privileged caste, no females in sight… Yeah, it surely looks like Iron legion did it!
Warrior shoutbow is lame, OP and annoying. It also nullifies a whole group of builds – condi specs. It also takes no skill and is the ultimate in easy mode. My Auntie has never played gw2 before and she played shoutbow and did very well.
With that being said, I have researched what most people want to happen to shoutbow and these were the 5 nerfs that everyone said:
1, Nerf celestial by 20% – its annoying fighting vs people with a gear advantage – might as well have a gear grind lol
2, Nerf Shout healing by 10%
3, Add an icd to solider runes of 5 seconds to add skill and promote counter play
4, Make cleansing ire grandmaster
5, Make healing signet to have 10% less passive healing and 10% higher active heal to promote counter play
Thoughts people? I know 99% of people agree with me…
I have a much, MUCH better idea. Listen now. Ready?
HOW ABOUT STOP BREAKING CLASS MECHANICS INSTEAD OF NERFING ONE FREAKING AMULET?
I don’t understand what you are trying to say. Maybe you are happy with queuing on your own, but some of us actually like to play with our friends. Crazy right? When my friends are online, I don’t think: “let’s face roll the opposition in unranked”, I just like to play with people I know.
Furthermore, teams of average skills tend to be matched against other average teams or better solo/duo/trio queuers. When you play in duo or trioq, half your games are against full premades, and you consistently win against those. Good teams roflstomp everyone, but they have 20+ min queues, and believe it or not, winning without opposition is not fun.
That’s why I think bringing back soloq would be a terrible idea. This new system is great for those of us (and I’m sure we are a major portion of the player base) who play with one or two friends. So I would rather have a full premade only ranked queue (so that teams can really practice and not wait 15 minutes for a boring game against a PUG), and a 1-3 man unranked queue. If you want to queue with three friends, you could always find one more, it’s not that hard.
So what exactly will be bad in new system?
Big queues for you? But that means you are minority and currently majority is forced to play in your queue to please you.
You are not minority? Then you will get same short queues and everybody will be happy.
Right now situation when majority of solo players is forced to keep partial teams happy – this situation is NOT normal. Majority must be heard and taken into consideration, not other way around.
I solo queue in Ranked and usually have a great time versus whoever… Teams need a place to practice and train. That is what unranked is for.
And what exactly stopping teams from doing same thing in ranked? Not enough ppl to farm and make yourself feel competent?
Anet, bring back soloQ, and lets see how much all these “friends having fun”, “teams on practice” and tryhard premades will like 20-50m queues without free meat.
So if Commander Samuelsson is confirmed to be a descendant of the Ascalonian Kings… why the heck is he not named a king or at least a prince, duke, or whatever?? Is it too much to ask to have another human monarch? He’s the Ascalonian heir; he’s not gonna go charging into DR assaulting the queen for the Krytan throne…
I mean. Sometimes people want to play with their friends and aren’t grouping up just to secure an easy win. Unranked doesn’t matter, so there’s no reason to not allow people to play with their friends when doing it.
And sometimes people just want to play pvp without having to search team, and not playing against premades.
I guess they shall go to ranked… oh wait, its full of premades.
Then maybe unranked… oh wait, this is a place with “friends having fun together”.
Well, at least soloQ still here… oh wait, it was deleted, because otherwise nobody wanted to play pvp solo against premades and “friends having fun”.
I guess we have a little problem here.
At times, when you get roflstomped by really good players, its straight up depressing just thinking about the gap between you and them and how to get from here to there.
And here lies main flaw of any “nerf hotjoin” topics. For some weird reason you think they gonna work harder to learn arenas and get their rewards from there. But that’s straight wrong.
Majority of people there are casual pve players who just want to do little baby pvp action and close dailies. If you take rewards from them, they not gonna do more work to get same result, they will just quit pvp. And by doing this, they will break one of main ways for casual player to get taste for pvp and go forward to arenas, greatly shrinking base of future pvp players. Guess what will happen with already dying pvp after that?
Holy cow that is awesome. Saving this.
Perfect to use everytime the “charr owned it first” argument pops up.
Easy to counter. “Charr were here first”, “humans are invaders in Tyria as continent and probably in Tyria as world” and “humans kicked charr out, then charr kicked out humans”.
I don’t see how removing rewards for practice mode is forcing anyone to do anything. If players want to pvp, they should pvp. If they want to practice, they should be able to practice. Being able to farm rank and be rewarded for jumping in to a winning team, gaining rewards for exploiting the system isn’t what Anet had in mind, and certainly not the spirit of pvp in general.
Your “pvp spirit” atm dying with spvp due to severe lack of players, and you purposing shrink it even more and cut one of most popular ways for casual pve players to start pvping.
Brilliant.
And no, they will not jump straight into arenas, and they will not gonna play practice without rewards. They will simply forget about pvp button at all.
Skilless farmers moving to rated matches? I am actually ok with that. More death to feed my necro :P
If anything they will move to the ranked matches, get horribly beaten and force them to actually learn or quit.
“Force others to play like I want them to play!” isn’t a good approach, you know.
It called practice for a reason. It’s place for beginners and test builds.
And no, it should not be removed or nerfed until unranked and ranked will be split to team and solo.
Skill activation lags (1-3 sec, for all characters nearby, probably map-wide) on all events involving heavy use of stability.
Reported for wvw and jungle wurm events.
Only if returned players will get a +50% incoming damage debuff + revealed for next 10s after coming back. Falling shall be a punishment for failing CC game, not just a break to restore HP and cooldowns.
I don’t understand the complaints! The meta has been the same since launch and it will never change because this is how the game mode is designed! Half your team builds to stand on point! The other half builds to explode other players! Teams have literally been doing this since launch! The team comps that exist now are no different! The DD Eles and shout Warriors stand on point while the other players roam and (de)cap points! It’s much more interesting now than 2-3 hambows and a spirit Ranger on every team and it’s much more action packed! If you disagree, it’s ok because in the end this game is boring as poop and we should all be slaying zambies anyway! Get good sons!
Wahoo! Bye frands!
Engi defending engi-dominated meta, now that’s a surprise.
Main problems are:
1. Tells. Pindown, ripste and impale have big windups, obvious animations and large cooldowns. Even someone with half of brain can evade them if he have dodge button binded.
2. Lack of easy spammable trash condis to cover, unless you have decent crit and take vuln on crit talent.
3. Bleeds in decent numbers can be reliably applied only in melee.
tl;dr Engi atm is more reliable and much closer to faceroll-level.
the value of which would be be completely neutered if you had the option to not see them or ignore them completely
That’s why I want such option. Protection of my nerves from fashion disasters >>> someone need to show off. I paid same money (well, if being honest – more money, if we include pre-purchase and cost of bought gems), so they have no right to have any priority over me.
Relative value. Thank you, I just couldn’t find the right term. Though I dont think it would be accurate to use the TP to figure out relative value because the prices are dependant on OUR world (game market) nstead of the current economic lore of Tyria. For instance, that mission where your going to infiltrate the mouth of Zhatain, this charr makes a friendly bet of 50 gold. Now think about that, if 1g is several thousand bucks, would you really bet like that? That charr could’ve been millionaire, but I really doubt that. That’s why I feel 1g is like $50-$100 compared to us.
Its more likely that charr was a pretty rich guy, because we have another info.
“It’s an arena where criminals can earn out of their jail sentences while providing the people of Lion’s Arch with entertainment.”
“Brutal.”
Magnus let out a broad-beamed laugh. “They’d much rather fight in my arena than languish in a cell. I buy their billets, and the Lionguard makes sure they don’t run off, and they fight until they’ve paid me back. It’s in everyone’s best interest.” He grinned. “My booming enterprise might just be the place for you to find the fighters you need.”
Eir shook her head. “I come asking after a norn legend and get sent to jailbirds.”
Magnus laughed. “I saw a pair yesterday, a man and a charr. They fought like devils and destroyed a bearbaiting pit”-he paused to spit-“which I personally was glad of. But as head of the Lionguard, well, I had to lock them up. They’re stewing just now in the dockside row house, but I’m about to send my agent to buy their billet.”
“How much is their billet?”
“About five hundred gold.”
Well, now you’re being unreasonable. The current system allows you to queue up in any party size you want. But there are not enough players and the skill spectrum is too wide to have only 5-5, 32-32 and 11111-11111 matches while maintaining decent MM and small queue times! And what about 4-man groups?
And what exactly that situation stopping from separating solo and teamQ? Just add old soloQ and everybody is happy now. Want to play solo – go to soloQ and dont worry about teams at all, have nothing against to be spare meat for partial teams – go to teamQ and unranked. Only disadvantage here is rapid dying of team modes because of lack of players, because they are not forced anymore to play it, lol.
In this thread, you’ll find one guy complaining about solo-vs-premade-why? while it was 5 matches out of 70, and another complains when it was 4 times out of 173! And most of them are against 3-man premade! See what I mean?
I guess you talking about those
>_Of the 175 games only 4 times were you stacked against pre-mades and did not have an equivalent pre-made on your team_
>_Of the 72 games you played, only three had you stacked against premades (11111 vs 311, 11111 vs 311, 2111 vs 32). Every other instance involving premades also had your team with an equivalent premade_
As you can see, there must be a lot of premades. And being in situation “we have premade and they have premade too” not helping, because in all things being equivalent premade>group of soloers.
Current system still giving you a straight disadvantage for playing solo, all for sake of saving dying teamQ. I wonder how fast it will flop if soloQ will be returned.
Were not aware at that moment, or even were sure what he is sleeping and not going to awake under them.
Anyway, haste departure of beings who serve as container to extremely strong magical powers (also, we know that they can be killed and/or stripped from their power) after awakening of beings who serve as devourers of such powers – it’s pretty natural to doing such assumptions.
If you aim to make them useless, it would indeed fix them.
They already have relatively low hp, especially the ranged ones. Conditions would melt them in seconds.
And they are static. The owners themselves cannot move them,and neither they follow the owner like a normal minion/pet/whatever. So why do you expect other people to be able to move them via CC? People would fear or knock them out of sight and the engineers wouldn’t be able to move them back unless he picked them up, putting them on cooldown, effectively making them unusable.
So you want to say what current situation where turrets are immune to half of game mechanics is ok?
When our server does not have a commander, would our server benefit if a tagless guild commander would tag up – and move to our server’s ts from guild’s private ts?
Sure guilds may have their private runs, but when there is no commander, it probably is not a bad idea to remind that it is our server’s map, not guild’s private map. We have many pugs who wishes for a commander when there is none.
Competent guilds always have a designated pug commander just for that. Having control over your guild and over a map zerg helps alot.
When it comes to agreement, engineer has a few skills that everyone pretty much unanimously thinks is OP (Overcharged Shot, Slick Shoes, Gear Block). Even warrior, players can mostly agree that war banner is a very strong skill.
What skills can both sides of this argument agree on are too strong and COULD be shaved for elementalist? I highly doubt a massive nerf to celestial elementalists is going to happen, so what can we agree is OP or lacks counterplay for elementalist?
By shaving celestial amulet. Also will shave lots of other stupid stuff without hurting half of non-OP builds, other classes and PvE.
But I guess it gonna be again class nerfs or even base game mechanic nerf, because yolo.
