Guild Wars 2

Nuzt.7894:

Reverence.6915:

Most guilds out there playing hard for their server won’t transfer down. Especially if they’re not based in NA on NA servers. I’d rather deal with short queues during seasons (no queues any other time) than have to deal with pvdoor and losing everyone in the guild due to boredom

Your presuming that low tiers are dead, the reality is there is always fights in low tiers of all sizes, the difference is you don’t have to fight with 50 other guilds on your home server to figure out who’s turn it is to fight the other servers.

Sure, during NA prime time. Outside of that?

I play late Oceanic to early SEA (3-7am server time) and it’s quiet as hell compared to NA populations and filled with pvdoor already so I can’t imagine how quiet it gets in lower tiers. I’d rather play on servers that have people to play with and against thanks

Also, TC is the only server currently experiencing 4 map queues outside of reset night. BG hasn’t had that for around 2 months and I assume the same for JQ. Once the hype of T1 dies down, TC will lose those queues too. Higher tiers aren’t as packed as you think

PU Mesmer is a cheesy as hell build but it’s kitten effective. There won’t be a single class you come against that can effectively fight you. So much invul, block, evade etc.

Taking out trebs hitting splash damage onto rams would be a terrible idea. Might as well make WvW into a giant karma train every matchup since it’ll be impossible to defend.

Also, there are certain positions you can place your rams where the rammers won’t be knocked back from treb or cata shots so if your zerg is large enough, just keep building rams. lrn2ramplacement. Otherwise, use catapults against a wall

Good warriors are few and far in between when I’m roaming. They’re laughably easy to kill if you got some stun breakers on your utility bar.

Good thieves are hard to deal with, especially with 20k burst damage with CnD-BS with fire sigil proccing (5kcnd+10-15kbs+2ksigil proc), but good thieves aren’t common either.

PU mesmers are a joke with how hard they are to fight against. Even a bad one is tough to take down with all the condis piling up as you throw damage around

In zergs, warrior is basically easy mode and are used for 2 skills – earthshaker and warbanner, but guardians are far more useful and synergies well with ele and necro. Considering that classes weak in zergs (thief, mesmer) are good in small scale fights evens it out imo.

Most guilds out there playing hard for their server won’t transfer down. Especially if they’re not based in NA on NA servers. I’d rather deal with short queues during seasons (no queues any other time) than have to deal with pvdoor and losing everyone in the guild due to boredom

The thing I’ve learnt? The only constant is change.

Servers have risen and fallen, guilds have come and gone, but WvW has largely remained the same since release.

I encourage any Oceanic guild leader looking at this thread to seriously consider the move. You’ll be the only Oceanic WvW guild here, which would help our Oceanic PvX guild NOC out a lot. It will also alleviate a lot of NA commanders running overtime in order to give a good handoff to our SEA, who carry it onto EU and NA the next day.

Despite what the trolls are saying in this thread, our Oceanic presence right now is similar to a T3 server at best and is heavily reliant on NA and SEA guilds to play overtime to cover it. You can help change that. There will be plenty of fights against guilds like XPK, SoX, GC, HIRE, MERC etc. and plenty of challenges, with plenty of support from the rest of Beastgate.

The ideal situation for NA would be 3 tiers x 9 servers like EU. Ah well

Lower ranked servers will have a hard time against higher ranked servers, who will get a lot of bored players. We shall see.

Easiest way I’ve found is to drop some banners and food at a waypoint, link the waypoint and mention “food and banners on my tag”, and the pugs come running like rats out of the woodwork. You then start spamming teamspeak/mumble/raidcall/vent details in mapchat to try get people onto voice comms and start wrecking face.

This is assuming there are players on the map. If there’s only 10 people on the whole map, then it won’t really matter will it? Though that outnumbered buff will help a lot.

I guess different servers will handle it in different ways. With BG, there are certain commanders that everyone knows and will rally to, and there are “commanders” that everyone knows and stays the hell away from. It also depends on the time zone (we have absolutely no one during Oceanic – can’t even queue 1 map, so militia rallying is much harder) as well as guilds that are running – why would you follow a militia commander when there’s a guild that’s tagged up and raiding?

The hardest thing about commanding militia is keeping the zerg together. More often than not, after a single wipe, you’ll lose at least 50% of your numbers, which you then have to build back up with people coming into the map to replace those who left. But then, who can blame casuals?

Zerker is viable if you have the skills for it. Most GvG or fight oriented guilds run mixed or full zerker in their power builds.

Just be aware though, that if you’re not careful, you’ll get dropped by thieves, necros, eles, mesmers or even rangers if you don’t have good awareness.

There’s a tooltip in the store that tells you. I was about to do the same thing when I noticed it.

Gold is meaningless in this game. All my level 80s are decked out in exotics and my 2 mains are partially decked out in ascended as well. All this from running 1 or 2 dungeons maybe once a week and usually just playing WvW. There are tons of other currencies available to get what you need/want. Hell, my guardian was completely decked out in exotic armors and runes from the TP for less than 5 gold.

What would you need gold for anyway? The good looking skins are all grind fests if you want to get them rather than simply purchasing with gold (dungeon armors, crafted legendaries). What else is there left to get?

but… but… berserker build.

Condition builds run rampant in WvW and sPvP. If you stroll outside of the general PvE meta, you’ll see that there are many many builds out there that are viable.

Crafting superior siege could just be thrown into Huntsman/Weaponsmith/Artificer crafting categories. Would make things so much easier.

If reviving keep lords get removed, then breaking into structures and capping it must also be made harder. It’s already too easy as it is.

In real life, it is said you need 10 attackers for every defender in a siege. In GW2, it’s more of a 1:1. Removing the mechanic to revive lords will just destroy what little defensive play we have left in the game.

500 slots isn’t enough for a lot of guilds and is a huge restriction in some large online communities.

My guild is barely 40 people right now, but I see guilds at member cap all the time (when a guild is advertising 490+ players, they’re at member cap and regularly kick people to make room for more active players).

Surely it’s possible right? Make it a gem store item to expand your guild beyond 500 slots or something.

Chrhal.4983:

Reverence.6915:

I’m absolutely fine with the ability to res NPCs. It helps to stop PVDooring if you got a warrior on hand to run in and banner, followed by other warriors in case there was a map zerg waiting for him.

If you can’t stop a lord from being ressed, well, you don’t deserve to take the keep.

I’m sure that you are aware of people being able to take waypoints during attacks of for example garrison. When they take the waypoint they are invulnerable for 5 seconds. How do you propose to stop 5 warriors that are all invulnerable and prevent them from ressing the lord?

You drag the lord away from the waypoint and guard it. Stance warriors only have a few seconds of invulnerability, usually not long enough to run through an entire zerg. It’s been done hundreds and thousands of times.

The fan made matchup threads are far less toxic than ANet’s matchup threads, despite it being uncensored and unregulated. Says a lot really.

We really could use some official matchup threads back. Smacktalk and rivalry is the heart and soul of any competition, and removing the matchup threads removed that from WvW.

I’m absolutely fine with the ability to res NPCs. It helps to stop PVDooring if you got a warrior on hand to run in and banner, followed by other warriors in case there was a map zerg waiting for him.

If you can’t stop a lord from being ressed, well, you don’t deserve to take the keep.

albotelho.2931:

Seriously… SoR is dead… BG probably on vaction waiting for season 2… the same happened before season 1, I dont think it is a “plan” to get more guilds, just that they like to pretend they are weaker.

I feel a real pity that SoR died. BG and SoR had such a long history together through the tiers. Our rivalry was well, unrivalled. We loved to hate each other.

Maybe fate will put us together again

You can complete the meta achievements in EoTM, not really a big issue.

dzeRnumbrd.6129:

BlackBeard.2873:

The idea that BG is tanking to get transfers is funny, as the server is “Full” and nobody can transfer either there or JQ.

Perhaps they are just taking a break before pushing hard during season 2?

Seriously you believe that? The “Full” status means nothing. BG used to regularly have WvW blackouts to get guilds onto their server. JQ does the same thing (I have played on both servers).

We all know BG is ‘Tanking For Transfers’ (trademark pending) just like they did during Season 1. I think it will work again – guilds are going to fall for the ploy – then BG’s WvW are going to return and those new guilds are going to be stuck in a 4-map queue for 3 hours. Once they get into the borderland they’ll find a 560 PPT tick with nothing to do.

That won’t happen because:
1. JQ is also a full server and thus have no excuse for server population (either of us)
2. We haven’t ticked so high since S1, against T2 servers
3. We don’t have any Oceanic WvW guilds (1 PvX guild, that’s it, our Oceanic population is comparable with T4-T5 servers right now, 4 outnumbered maps)
4. We’ve been bleeding WvW guilds since S1 and haven’t gained many WvW players domestically

Also, S1 wasn’t a ploy as has been mentioned ad nauseum. We genuinely lost a LOT of WvW players prior to S1. Only difference was that where we lost in Oceanic coverage, we gained in SEA and Eu coverage. Not only have we been losing WvW players prior to S2, we can’t gain any players either due to our [Full] status.

Right now is due to bigger NA guilds taking some time off, but our WvW population has certainly shrunk dramatically since S1. Naturally happens. We can only wait and see if the PvE crowd will show up for S2.

The reason is a mixture of 1. and 2.

ET is one of the lesser populated servers and there are multiple ways to level up quickly these days so as to never have to go to the beginner area maps.

Handin.4032:

Kigera.9584:

DDOS attacks is a valid reason.

What alternatives has BG tried to get around the DDoS’ing? Besides constantly getting DDoSed and then telling people “We’re sucking because we cant use our TS”. I know it sucks, but if its happening 24/7, it’s not going to magically stop, so you’ll have to adapt. Have you tried changing server host, or even swapping from using TS to Mumble? I know TC’s mumble has been DDoSed, but it rarely fully goes down. Has the guild/person responsible for maintaining the BG community TS spoken with their server host? (Assuming its hosted by a company and not an individuals server box). I could be too that BG’s TS being DDoSed has nothing to do with GW2, but that it’s just being targetted for being a large TS (a possibility), that or some scummy player is just being a really annoying troll. Either way, I hope BG gets it all resolved soon!

Put it this way. We’re unable to purchase DDoS protection at this current time (while we’re still under DDoS attack) due to how much data protection it involves and how much the cost it would be (I heard up to several thousand dollars a month, tens of thousands a year). So yeah, our admins have tried everything and more, and it’s gotten to the point where BG’s guilds can’t give out their TS due to fear of DDoS as well, since every time we put out some kind of TS address to the public (map chat or otherwise), it gets taken down.

Coordinate Ice Spike/Meteor showers from your staff eles. Along with Null fields and Static fields, this would drop them near instantly.

Backline squishies deal a lot more damage than hammer trains.

jojojoon.8607:

I agree with you, and that’s basically what everyone is saying at this point. BG knows that they have the best coverage out of all NA servers. But by playing dead right now and claiming to be “outnumbered in every time zone by every server” on the forum like in Season 1, it is just to get other servers to “think” that they’re not the favorites to win. That is why you have non-BG saying BG are the underdogs and that is why guilds transferred there for the start of season (e.g. ZD leader said the reason they transferred there was because they saw BG get farmed on a daily basis when they were scouting the server a couple of weeks prior to the start of season). He was in a rude awakening when the he found out later that BG actually had the best EU coverage on NA servers when BG players started to play normally again, and ZDs ended up pvding the entire season.

The #Believegate2014 trick worked in Season 1 but it’s going to be hard to get the same trick to work for Season 2 since other servers probably won’t be fooled again.

Thanks for confirming what everyone has been saying on this thread and letting us know that this strategy is called #Believegate2014.

ZDs started PVDooring because IRON avoided ZDs like the plague. ZDs came over to fight IRON and IRON didn’t show up. When we fought JQ, JQ’s 24/7 queues magically disappeared. In other words, we can say the same for you, except we actually come out to fight when it matters, unlike some other servers.

SoR had the strongest EU coverage by FAR before Season 1 started, and that is undisputed fact.

jojojoon.8607:

Deja vu all over again.. Didn’t we hear the exact same thing weeks before Season 1 started? BG is the weakest T1 server and about to fall to T2… BG is the underdog going into season… Every server outnumbers BG on every time zone… BG desperately needs guild transfers for every time zone to patch up their glaring coverage gaps…

You know, BG never called ourselves the underdogs. We were always confident of getting a good result in S1. It was always those from other servers calling us underdogs. You know why? We lost MERC, SUPR, RISE, TKG and a big number of smaller guilds to other servers. Our Oceanic coverage was decimated at that point, and we’re still rebuilding from that. We (BG) knew we were going to pull out all the stops to get the win, and we’ll do that for S2 as well, but with our server having been on Full status for so long, many prospective guilds have been unable or unwilling to transfer, while JQ and TC has been gaining guild after guild.

Yes, we have coverage gaps. Yes, we’re outnumbered during Oceanic and between EU~EST. No, we’re not really complaining (there’s a few, but most of us are just pointing out facts rather than outright complaining).

Watch out for BG in S2, we’ll be coming after everyone. I believe in our PvE population to show up for the server. All those 500 man PvE guilds will have people show up, I’m sure of it.

#Believegate2014

Poxheart.2845:

In ESO you get more rewards from fighting players than from taking keeps, so there’s less likelihood of karma trains.

Fighting players (in zergs) in GW2 gives more wxp, loot and exp. People still karma train. Why? Because people will look for the easy and safe route to rewards. Unless there’s 0 reward for taking a keep, there will always be some kind of “karma train”

3 points in treb mastery. Fire away.

Elmo Benchwarmer.3025:

The reason I play less and less WvW is that fighting has become increasingly boring. Only zerging gets encouraged, everything else is just not worth it. If you do run around solo/in a small party you have to fight troll builds everywhere (perma stealth builds, perplexity Engineers, the elixir spam Engineer, condition bunker Warriors, etc.). Add to that an appalling power creep that has become mandatory and every time I venture into WvW I notice after a few minutes that this is not what I want to be doing. It’s a shame really.

Ever tried GvGing?

Vespirisa.1497:

They have never fielded 50. I don’t know ANY guild that can field over 40 on a consistent basis.

IRON used to near queue a map by themselves – they used to start raiding during mid-late Oceanic with 20-30, peaking late SEA~mid EU prime at 50ish. There are a lot of T1 guilds able to do that. WvW in JQ is able to queue a map and then some, if all their members rep (a lot of cross-rep with Ge and ATM). CERN/PINK/ZzZz etc. are able to do that in TC if they rep one guild (I was told that there’s a lot of cross-repping involved, please correct me if I’m wrong). AoI and ND in BG can field huge numbers as well, with GoF, iCoa and KnT regularly fielding 30-40 and 40+ on reset night.

Hell, even TW and Choo used to field 40+

At this point, it’s not even about PPT, since we have several large coverage gaps that bleed PPT that doesn’t allow us to catch up in PPT, it’s the fact that a HUGE number of players were denied any chance to play WvW on reset night.

Andrew Clear.1750:

After all, WvW is all about numbers (just like real war is).

Very off topic, but real war is about politics. Not numbers.

SoR always had the numbers in T1, but never where they should’ve been. IRON was the most dominant force in SoR for months on end and was responsible for SoR’s first win in T1, but couldn’t hack it when they had some competition from ZDs and COIN. To be fair, their main commander was hospitalised during this period and this affected IRON greatly. They went from fielding their usual 50+ down to 20-30 in this period. This led to PPT bleeding out during EU, which started causing tension with the NA guilds, I believe.

The rest as they say, is history.

SlothBear.9846:

Reverence.6915:

Reason is that EBG offers no decent terrain upon which to fight. Anywhere you go, it’s close to a tower, keep or castle for your opponents to run into to hide behind 5 ACs.

This is different from the Borderlands how exactly?

Much more open space on the borderlands. Fights in camps very rarely go all the way back to towers and keeps (a few fights have gone from NW/SW camp to Bay keep, and a few fights have gone from SE camp to SE tower/Hills keep, very rare). Fights in open field generally means just that. “Open field”. Unless you build open field ACs…

There’s so little room in EBG to allow for actual open field fights without a tower right next to you backing you up with ACs. Except in the Mercenary camps (hello NPC rally bot) and a few spots on the north of the map, EBG is packed with towers, often sieged to the max.

Probably ANet’s way of getting us to play EoTM, since very few BG ever go there

about $100 worth of gems since release. I buy like $5 or $10 here and there, but there’s been nothing in the gem store that I want to get that I haven’t been able to farm gold to convert to gems for.

There should be an in-game guild message board for people to post topics and replies. Guild message simply isn’t enough for most info to get across to the member base.

Burl.9567:

Reverence.6915:

RyuDragnier.9476:

Traejan.1729:

SoR imploded when Blindo and the rest of [TW] Twerk Warriors left for SoS

Ran with them earlier, speaking of that. My god they’re good…really good. Kept wiping entire giant zergs of FA in Eternal like they were nothing. They know their stuff.

EB zergs are the worst zergs… It’s really nothing to brag about. Take 20 guildies, go to EB, wipe every group not hiding behind ACs. Standard practise for most fight oriented guilds I would think.

T2 EB is much different than T1 EB. BG and JQ guild groups avoided it for the most part. FA and Mag guild groups seem to actually gravitate towards it.

Reason is that EBG offers no decent terrain upon which to fight. Anywhere you go, it’s close to a tower, keep or castle for your opponents to run into to hide behind 5 ACs. Why would fight oriented guilds go to such a map is beyond me. Borderlands maps provide much more even terrain to fight on, for both large and small groups.

Well, they got the seasonal tournament going

Tibstrike.2974:

Burnout is already so high in WvW right now that in 2 years most everyone will be gone or playing casually. Even hardcore groups right now are scaling back rallies to 3-4 times a week.

You were never supposed to play GW2 hardcore. It was always supposed to be a casual game.

ANet just boosted the dragonite drop from keep lords in WvW for some weird reason. I just drop them every time I get a stack of 250. Way too easy to farm.

RyuDragnier.9476:

Traejan.1729:

SoR imploded when Blindo and the rest of [TW] Twerk Warriors left for SoS

Ran with them earlier, speaking of that. My god they’re good…really good. Kept wiping entire giant zergs of FA in Eternal like they were nothing. They know their stuff.

EB zergs are the worst zergs… It’s really nothing to brag about. Take 20 guildies, go to EB, wipe every group not hiding behind ACs. Standard practise for most fight oriented guilds I would think.

SoR got burnt out trying to match BG and JQ’s coverage. It has a massive effect on server morale. There’s a lot of talk in BG now of similar things, now that we’re pulling massive overtime trying to match JQ and TC’s new found coverage from SOR.

LF Oceanic guild for BG? Haha

If you think Barrage does damage… You need to revise your gear. Put up some retaliation and the ranger will die.

Best way to fix WvW isn’t changing PPT but merging servers.

There’s just way too many servers and the population is too spread out for there to be competitive WvW

The new map is terribly boring. No server cohesion, very little coordination, massive pug zergs smashing faces into other pug zergs or doors.

Meh.

I honestly don’t see why guilds would like EoTM. You can’t even GvG there because there will definitely be adds from pugs. There’s no challenge fighting in EoTM because you’re fighting random groups with no voice comms. That isn’t fun.

Forzani.2584:

This one has always baffled me….“stack on me!!”

I still take heat for not stacking with 10+other people. I come from Daoc and that’s the last thing you would ever do….which also seem like common sense for any game.

The reason why commanders call for stack (those that know anything about combat in this game) is to control boon timers and for blast finisher effects to spread over more players. If you’re not within range of those boons and combo effect finishers, you’re missing out in vital boons such as Protection, Regeneration and Might.

Spreading out and not moving in a stack is actually the best way to combat a hammer train. Restack when boons run out.

Some most commanders are just bad.

What I take from this thread is that low tier servers have better Oceanic coverage than a Tier 1 server.

Huh…

This is a very common tactic in small scale fights. Especially with havoc groups. Pick a squishy, down him/her, move on to the next person

Blue is the second ranked server in each matchup, and carried largely by kitten (larger populations and all). This naturally leads to Green outnumbering other colours easily. Sorry, but Blackgate (blue this week) isn’t as stacked as you all believed for us to spare WvW guilds to go into EoTM :P

Arius.7031:

Reverence.6915:

Muramasa.6487:

Our nightcrew in ET is famous for getting huge, like 50-60 plus. Check it out!

That’s quite large. Are you sure that’s Oceanic time zone? As in, 1am – 5am server time. Even BG can’t pull those kinds of numbers during Oceanic. We were pulling a good 40 people last night and that was pretty decent already.

? Dh queues maps (on rare occasion) at oceanic time… how can BG only have 40 in all maps?

We lost all our Oceanic during the exodus just before Season 1 of leagues started to JQ. The remaining “Oceanic” are either NA players staying up late or SEA players logging on early.

I had my commander tag up on our home borderland today and could only pull 10 people to the tag. Asked the commander in EBG how many was there and the response was 20-30. JQBL was all green and TCBL was all red, so I can only assume there were no BG players there.

To be fair, we do have a large Oceanic PvX guild, but they run 3 nights a week. We tend to get top PPT when they run though

Muramasa.6487:

Our nightcrew in ET is famous for getting huge, like 50-60 plus. Check it out!

That’s quite large. Are you sure that’s Oceanic time zone? As in, 1am – 5am server time. Even BG can’t pull those kinds of numbers during Oceanic. We were pulling a good 40 people last night and that was pretty decent already.