Guild Wars 2

Wish the cast direction wasn’t limited. I would really like to cast SoJ behind me as I try to kite.

Artemis Thuras.8795:

How are you going to maintain 100% retal uptime?

You don’t need a consistent 100% retal uptime. Only when you’re attacking; using the power skills that count.

The below picture is the new meta build until expansion hits. You dish out so much damage with Carrion, it’s hard to pick any other amulet or build unless it’s Marauder power oriented.

Pyriall.1683:

They made them worse. If the idea was to build a burn build around spirit weapons, the previous functionality worked better. GG on making something worse that was already bad.

[Condi PvP]
Then you’re not running an optimized build to work with SoJ.

SoJ performs a heck of a lot better than Procession of Blades. All due to it being a ranged AoE. You’ll handle Mesmers and Rangers a whole lot better than any other (non-power built) trap. Each cast of SoJ will hit the target with more accuracy. That alone makes it better than old spirit Sword.

Spirit’s Burn on hit trait is nice (would be nice if it’s fixed) but that’s not what I run.

Virtues/Radiance/DH – Carrion power hybrid.

This is how we use it ;)
(sorry, condi meta incoming)

Sword of Justice is used in combination of Scepter. It’s a ranged version of Proc of Blades except it’s 5x more useful against ranged classes.

I would post a pre-patch DH burn guide because i’m sure people have questions but… the expansion is right around the corner so it wouldn’t really matter. Just know Radiance gives crit and dps, enough to replace Valor. Don’t need medi sustains when their team is in downed state.

The build gives you 80% crit so you’ll hit like Paladins but aoe DPS like a glass Carrion condi build. Compared to other condi DH builds, this is probably the most difficult to play. Reason: Micro managing SoJ, Virtues, and learning how to survive with SYG & CoP stunbreakers when faced against a Mes/Thief/Rev burst comp.

The build is glass with a huge ass cannon. It makes me hype for the expansion. Still a bit weary about the Firebrand tree vs other class’s elite specs though.

SPvP
I looked over the skills once the gw2wiki populated and… the Burn Support Hybrid Firebrand spec in PvP is going to be very, very bad…

I see what they’re trying to do with our Aegis boons. If you pretend our allies are like Mesmers clones, our Aegis applications in a team setting are very similar to Mesmer’s Condi shatter skills… except unlike Mesmers who apply several unique conditions on burst shatters, we’ll be entirely dependant on our team’s Condi coverages instead. That and we wont have a viable Pure Power Shatter build like Mesmers… all 5 Aegis applications are not going to suddenly run to a target :/

Also unlike DH, Firebrand does not apply 2 additional conditions in unison of our burn applications.
(The two condi’s on Dulled Senses & Zealot’s Aggression in DH tree gets cleansed first, even though they proc when our F1 passive procs.)

So the above would make Sage amulet something like a gimmick. We just won’t make use of Heals. We don’t have mobility like Mesmers so we won’t be able to reset skills as easily. Mobility and distance-keeping is what makes shatter Mesmers work in general.

TL;DR
All that said, the above wouldn’t be much of an issue for pure Condi amulets like Carrion thanks to Axe bleed skills. We may also get away with running Zeal over Virtues for the Shattered Aegis effect, that much I’m excited for but I’m still Very weary on Firebrand’s overall gimmick playstyle… we’re more depending on allies rather than self dependancy.. something Guards have been known for since, ever.

People still move their camera with their keyboard instead of their mouse…
People still Skill-click their ability bar instead of key bindings…

It’s no wonder that legit Burst Meta Patch only lasted for a month… the majority player base complained because they “couldn’t react to bursts”…“revolved around who bursted first”.. etc. I felt it was generally well received, but all the other l2p threads at the time was a bit overwhelming.

TL;DR
That “reflex meta” ship sailed back in 2015… this is a very casual MMORPG game. If you want skill-shot abilities, higher reflexes, or better skill-based counter plays… this is not the game for you.

People want to raise the skill floor when I see sooo many Guards lose to classes like Condi necro in 1v1… and I’m on their team because Matchmaking couldn’t find more Plat players so they retort to Gold T1… but it’s ok because our team have 59 MMR points higher and are destined to win… -25 to lose.

Sure.. raise the skill floor. Make it incredible hard for people to play Guard. Make it Season 2 again. I at least never saw many Guardians in S2 for me to /facepalm.

I know their on Pacific Time, but I’m uncertain on the exact time it ends. Some are saying tomorrow morning at 8a.m PST.

SneakyTouchy.6043:

This is currently the logic that is breaking MM.

It needs to be based on rank. They can swap after forming teams.

If it’s based on rank then we’ll be waiting 15 minutes for players in our division… I know several players who don’t mind the extra wait but I have things to do in my limited gaming time.

Team Comp > Players in our division.

I’m not going to pretend that players swap classes in this game… on average I get 1 person to swap every 4th game and it’s hardly ever a class that can hold a point.

• Remove class stacking.
• Add Support Ele on each team
• If no support ele, add Engi+Ranger on each team.

The team who has at least 2 classes who can “bunk” a point will almost always win.. its just laughable. GW2 suppose to have removed the trinity system but a team absolutely needs an Ele for support and node bunk.

And losing max points on a 459-500 match… just because matchmaking deemed the losing team as “greater odds to win”… is ludicrous. GW2 PvP is Comp vs Comp not Skill vs Skill.

Ragnarox.9601:

Hicci.8761:

Ragnarox.9601:

Aeolus.3615:

Ragnarox.9601, for what it looked, virtues traited to castfire on a target zone plus new stuff to add more burn, ANet ismaking a gimmick trough what is op to carry the players nothing more, still its a very unmobile combat… easilly killed.

core guard falled extremelly^2 behind due new specs condi spam, and firetrash might be dangerous while supporting players ganking coreclasses… LOL

Actually I might farm those firebrands in next xpac so they might buff it somehow. I love guardians playing it from the start in 2012 but dont like the road it goes. Core need lot of attention but they made another useless support spec. Cant wait for a farmsfest in pvp and wvw.

I don’t think firebrand was ever intended to be a pvp class. We got DH for that.

So firebrand is class for world bosses? Pve hearts? So other elites have uses in pvp and firebrand was not intended for pvp and its locked only in 1 game mode?thats a bad thing to do. And btw DH is not that good in high level pvp.

Define high level PvP. Plat T3 in Ranked or the handful of teams in daily AT’s or Unity?

So we basically have to run Virtues.
Valor or Honor is going to be a necessity for survival purposes.

That means Zeal and Radiance is going to collect dust till year 2020 :p

My fear is that the Firebrand tree won’t give us access to stability… so we’re forced to use the stability + stunbreaker elite utility. On paper that elite may seem awesome but in practice we’ll be more dependant on our team.

I don’t want to be forced to go support just to be viable in PvP…

Conncept.7638:

phokus.8934:

Rikimaru.7890:

phokus.8934:

They’re completely different from the original tomes. How about you actually read into them first before making such silly posts?

You are missing the point, I know they are different. What I mean is that the new elite spec is not exactly introducing a new feature for the Guardian, but rather bringing back an old feture that was removed from them.

You’re clearly missing the whole point because they’re only back in name and not by functionality.

You summon them, they give you five new weapon skills for a period of time, sounds like the exact same mechanic moved to a different spot on the skillbar to me.

Though we conjure the actual book, we just use like.. 6 pages in each book (traited). It’s not weapons-per-say, rather, it’s cast abilities.

The new Tomb virtues with Mantras makes it so that there’s a sense of micro management to Guard’s abilities now, which is a breath of fresh air.

Ragnarox.9601:

Fashion Mage.3712:

I don’t understand how a spec entirely focused towards damage and support would function in close range. I just don’t understand why not make tomes full range like they used to be.

Ragnarox.9601:

Tomes are nothing but virtues shouts.

Which is funny because virtues are already basically just shouts (especially when they arbitrarily lost their 1200 range).

I would laugh my ass out when a good dh or berserker comes near firerand pop his unblockable skill and firebrand goes into f3 try to cast and dies trying to cast first spell but dies to warrior F1 in 2 sec.

Or even better deadeye pops from stealth shoots kilsshot and firebrand dies not even cast a spell.

Or even better weaver comes farting all his elements firebrand tries but fails to go into f3 and dies in painfull death by water/fire combo blast.

Or even better spellbreaker comes and destroy his f3 skill and firebrand dies well cause someone shred his tome.

….funny stuff.

This is exactly what I’m worried about…CD’s are incredibly high. We’re the new Necro in team fights. Might as well put a permanent red target on our heads now.

“But.. you have Quickness!”

• Yea.. for only 2 seconds. And choosing a concentration amulet is out of the question unless Anet releases a
  1050Condi, 1050Vita, 560Healing, 560Concetration Amulet… I just don’t see that stat combo happening.

Even IF they did.. the extra 1 1/2 second quickness increase from the amulet is not going to make a huge difference. Quickness in general is not very good… If it was, we’d be using the elite “Feel My Wrath”. I’d rather have power or precision on the amulet instead.

What I’m not looking forward to
The lower F1 burn durations / lack of hits axe gives to activate F1.
The high CD utility skills after Mantras are finalized.
The Mantra elite (lack of stability and the expansion’s power creep will force us to use it)

The 1 trick pony I’m looking forward to
F1 giving 3x burn on hit to allies.
Giving Quickness to allies will also give them our F1 activation of 3x burn stacks.(10s icd)
The improved Virtues.
Casting charged Mantras while using another ability.

I think Firebrand will be the old-style Shout LB Warrior. We’ll have some marginal damages but we’ll mainly play a support role. I do hope FB’s damage role is viable but as of now that aspect doesn’t look promising.

I’m perfectly fine with a quick animation of Pages ripping out of a Tomb. The old style where we had a giant book floating in front of the Guardian while casting spells was… horrendous.

Comparing it to Firebrand’s implementation, I no longer (never did tbh) like the Old Tomb animations at all.

Can anyone actually read/post the F1 ability? I can barely read out the 1.5 burn duration :/

EDIT
Oh nvm… It just says pull forth a magical tomb lol. Thought it said something else towards the end.

duster.7013:

Anything below plat doesn’t matter in terms of balance at all. If you can’t balance it from plat up then its a waste of time.

Even from Plat on up it won’t be too bad. People don’t even know what an overpowered comp would even be – because build wars 2.

And if it’s SoloQ only then everyone would be in the same boat in terms of being under the mercy of matchmaking.

duster.7013:

Eh with gw2’s balance 2v2 would suck. 2v2 is fun but you’d need a total overhaul.

Even with the total overhaul, 2v2 is worse for class balance than 5v5 because there are more fringe scenarios in 5v5 where a build can wiggle in wins now and then. If we do have 2v2 as primary balance, you will have WoW style balance problems where certain classes are just trash for months on end.

I mean right now, nobody would ever die in 2v2.

Given the worse case scenario comp, bunker duo vs bunker duo, it can function just as how WoW’s 2v2 works. A time limit and when finalized, the lowest health or most downs loses.

Given the skill-cap 2v2 can entail, there won’t be a “best duo” comp below Plat T2. By that I mean sure the “best comp” can dominate the top 25 but in pug divisions, there’s such a huge gap in individual skill that there won’t exactly be a “best” 2v2 comp.

Players worry about class balances. I don’t think it will be that big of an issue, imo.

Leafstorm.1349:

I’m sorry, but that theory is horrible. Top tier players shouldn’t be brought down to lower brackets just to find a quick game and lose literally 40 places on LB because teammates aren’t at the 1600+ skill level. I don’t want that to sound harsh, but the loss is insanely punishing especially since you now have to carry that team as hard as possible. We should be getting better games. At the most there should be a 100 point skill gap up or down.

I have a feeling the top 10 – 25 player pool don’t want to play each other

It’s not going to be a resell if it’s completely new from the ground up. And players will buy their revamped Tombs because they wanted to give up their original crappy Tombs anyways.

If we’re able to compare these F1-f3 Tombs with the old Tombs, the elite spec will fail.
(I’m sure color/animation/CD’s, will all be different.)

I’ve read a few articles where players were excited about the expansion. There’s a lot of people who quit out of boredom and would definitely come back for new content.

I’ve been on and off since launch, been in top 250 since S2, and am practically addicted to the best PvP in this game’s genre. When the expansion hits I’ll be buying it.

narcx.3570:

You still played against the top players, so how is your experience devalued? Let’s be honest, the saltiness is because people are buying titles and icon flares that you want or maybe even earned, thus making them seem not as cool—same as legendary armor or Demon’s Demise being purchased.

Though I can’t really speak for everyone here, the saltiness is these pve heroes didn’t deserve a PvP title, Abjured are repeating offenders and they disrespected Anet’s first Monthly Tournament.

I’m kittened off because we lost competitive players; players who had a big legacy in GW2’s competitive scene, players who weren’t smart enough to hide their credentials properly because they simply didn’t care until after they got caught.

Yup. Super serious. Buff all the DH!

Ziggityzog.7389:

NotASmurf.1725:

Ziggityzog.7389:

Anet has to find a way to make pvp a competitive thing in gw2. Conq definitely isn’t the answer because well… 5 years later and it still hasn’t worked on their experiment lol.

TDM = Competitive hell even stronghold is more competitive due to not being restricted by dancing in circles or zerging.

NO. STOP IT. TDM kittened everything up. Anet gave it a chance with courtyard because half the population couldn’t differentiate between annihilation and TDM when they kept asking for it.

TDM was a failure even moreso than conquest. After the first fight it’s just the winning team farming the others for minutes. It’s not fun.

We need annihilation. Single round PvP. Team wipe = win. We do NOT need TDM.

I don’t mind a one life per map idea just may be kiind of short. Hell someone tossed out a idea for a tdm 3v3v3 map that would even be fun if it was single life haha. Anything but this conq non sense

Surprised you remembered that. It was way back in December 25th 2014.

Sartharina.3542:

Why are they allowed to get away with Real Money Trading (Spending real-world money on an in-game good or service – in this case, PvP monthly rewards. This is just as bad, if not worse, than Gold Selling/Buying and Powerleveling) Account sharing, and Match Manipulation with their accounts still in a playable state?

Everyone involved should be banned from the game, permanently, just as if they were a Gold-Selling spammer or gold/Legendary Weapon purchaser.

I know some argue that “They’d just make a new account!” So what? They can still ‘just make a new account’ for PvP. Half of them were achievement hunters – this level of Breach of ToS should rob them of their accounts, and all those AP.

“We didn’t want players to physically harm themselves if the penalty extended to other realms of the game.” -Anet

That’s what I like to think if Anet would have replied :o

Lyger.5429:

Hmm as I mentioned before the perma-ban seems a little excessive and sudden. Why not go for 6 months to a years time. Even more high profile competitive games do this. Furthermore, if Anet wants to fix the scene they need to actually start dealing with some of the complaints that have been around since forever.

I read an article where an espurts player on Overwatch got banned simply because he was using vulgar language on stream. It wasn’t even sPvP manipulation or any other type of Tournament manipulation.

I applaud Anet for having the aptitude to say, “we’re not taking your kitten anymore.”, to an event that was heavily disrespected by these players. Same to Jebro who immediately replied to the investigation and banned these players from entering future prize winning tournaments.

Dustin.2793:

Saiyan.1704:

Dustin.2793:

Best of luck on your failing tournament. Banning the only talent left on NA is a good move. Enjoy the -700 dollar donation, play for pennies like you plebs deserve to.

I can probably shape those pillars of salt your trail leaves behind into an instruction manual explaining IP and VPNs.

Another 9-5 boy mad he got farmed by winners in life lul.

Ignorant till the very end of your ignominious career. Enjoy retirement f.b

Not sure what’s more embarrassing…the “pro” players who don’t know how to use vpn’s, playing the fool terribly during the investigation processes, or continuing the idiocracy by replying to the Dev who slapped your face with the ban hammer.

Any legacy these player left on the game is basically destroyed but it was apparently worth the money. To each his own.

Oh and the competitive scene just improved. I’m the 4th best Gerdien in wurld now.

I use the word “macro” in place of the word “combo”. When hearing it I thought it was a silly word but I suppose the usage is justified; when ToF activates it opens up opportunities for additional moves. It’s “macroing” per definition but being a 90’s SC player I guess people would probably laugh :p

Updating the build I posted back in late May.

From that first post to now, it’s fair to say the build is no longer experimental, premature, or speculation. It flat out works. Click on Spoiler to view the revised build and the updated post from May 22nd.
Basically only changed, Purification for Lytany, ToF for FoF

Build Experiences and Division
Currently retaining Plat T1 – T2 fairly easily. The build has 1v2’d other classes before, something not as easily done on the LB meta. The build’s position on a team is highly flexible; it can be a side point rotation holder as well as a team fight bruiser.

Oddly enough, I get more frustrated with other guards who lose their 1v1’s on side points. And/or who are incapable of dishing out enough damage to down Ele/Engi/Ranger bunk comps. Though I have indeed seen Guards do exceptionally well with LB meta, symbolic build performs better than 90% of players who use that meta power build.

Pros and Cons
Counter to Condi Cheeses
An obvious merit is dealing with other condi classes. Condi Thief, Necro, Guard, etc poses no threat to this build compared to LB Power. It’s another reason why I get frustrated with most Guards when I see them lose to a condi Thief 1v1.

Symbolic Power Builds in General
Anyone who uses symbol builds (Thermite famous for it?) would know that stacked symbols + utilities + auto attacks offers incredible sustained-damages compared to power LB. When you throw out symbols or stack them, it’s not only done quickly but the damage doubles in the frame that they’re up. Longbow’s sluggish#4 is indeed a symbol utility but it’s by no means used as a “Burst” damage effect like its one-hand variants.

Cons
The build has very few weaknesses but the biggest would have to be, getting caught by another round of CC during the middle or end of a fight. I’m often forced to use CoP in place of my F3 stun breaker when getting +1’d by a Thief, for example.

The lack of additional macro combos when working around ToF.
LB is famous for it’s higher damage: Judges+Smite+LB#2+ToF instant combo. It’s down right dirty when you add in ToF’s additional macros thereafter. Symbolic may be a better point holder or even a team fight brawler but LB is generally better against ranged classes, ranged utility (if pulled off) and initial burst damages.

Let me know if anyone’s opinions of the Symbolic build has changed since the first May 22nd post of this build variant.

P.S
Please win your side-point fights Guardians :)

Azukas.1426:

CrashTheGrey.1492:

Azukas.1426:

I don’t agree. You are enacting punishment on behalf of Anet. Let them fail on their own.

Also what happened did not happen during your tournament and you have no business punishing ppl.

They have all the business in the world upholding integrity in a tournament who willingly donates money to players (funded by a community).

If you are a prominent, visible part of a community and you take the time to cheat and screw said community with petty actions, why would they keep you around? What example does that set and what does it say about the already struggling competitive scene?

No one cheated who played in the tournament. The integrity of the game was NEVER compromised. The only thing done wrong was some idiots put a price tag on an achievement title. Thats it.

Completely disagree… your definition of integrity is very different from mine

Players are paying others to win trophies, making rewards bought instead of earned. This is the definition of mockery; ruining the integrity of what these Tournaments stand for.

Why the heck should we have some John Doe from “random guild” etched in stone, staying he’s the winner of X amount of tournaments? The competitive scene in this game is losing its integrity and these would-be ESL players know that. It’s why they’re straight up mocking these monthly tournaments and they will continue to do so.

Anet needs to conclude their due diligence and ban these players for at least a month…though some feel it should be longer.

jungleking.2718:

Some people who donated may want their money refunded.

No prob. Jebro, i’ll cover the difference.

Urejt.5648:

I diagree. PvP is thriving now. Pros are playing more in AT so lesser players can learn a lot. There might not be that many players but it is natural for 20 years old dx9 game.

Reeaaally wish this darn game wasn’t so cpu dependant… 1080card yet my frames are dependant on my i56600 cpu :/

Just make a signature that says, “There’s no proof” and just silently quote people who reply to you.

Such a redundant thread..

Ben Phongluangtham.1065:

We’ve been talking about doing special tournaments on occasion. 2v2 would be one option for a special tournament.

2v2 public queue pool open indefinitely during off-season is very much wanting :)

Cynz stop double posting. And replying to yourself is weird.
Kappa

Shintei.9061:

Saiyan.1704:

Sly.9518:

Lulz oh no he asked for a VPN lulz you have other proof but won’t provide it I wonder why. And it’s funn you can easily make any discord name whatever you want it to be so again show some real proof. It’s not like it’s hard to change your nickname in Discord or anything /s

The reason you won’t post any real proof is probably due to you not having any lulz.

If all the players were on VPN’s, that leaves a reasonable doubt.

Anet has the proof if their investigation team has half a networking-brain on their shoulders. They may not catch the booster players playing on their account but they sure as hell can remove the rewards from the account owners.

To top it off the guild are bragging about it… this really isn’t rocket science.

How do you know if the ip addresses are from the VPN or not?

Depends on the VPN software but most will show the IP in a different location than the user normally login from. Some tether across the globe going from server to server, France, India, Dallas, etc. etc.

Why would 5 players suddenly login at different parts of the globe for a tournament? Even if they attempt the best local server possible for ping related performance, that’s still no where these account owners typically login from.

Sly.9518:

Lulz oh no he asked for a VPN lulz you have other proof but won’t provide it I wonder why. And it’s funn you can easily make any discord name whatever you want it to be so again show some real proof. It’s not like it’s hard to change your nickname in Discord or anything /s

The reason you won’t post any real proof is probably due to you not having any lulz.

If all the players were on VPN’s, that leaves a reasonable doubt.

Anet has the proof if their investigation team has half a networking-brain on their shoulders. They may not catch the booster players playing on their account but they sure as hell can remove the rewards from the account owners.

To top it off the guild are bragging about it… this really isn’t rocket science.

AliamRationem.5172:

Better stats. PvP players love to crunch numbers. Give us more detailed stats. For instance, I might like to know how my average contribution to team heals vs.other players of my class matches up within my rating tier and compared to other tiers.

May seem like a fun way to compare your profession to another, but it will no way measure in-game skill level. It will also be inaccurate because a Bunker Guardian will have vastly different stats than a Burn Guard or a Power Guard.

Also… players will compare stats in a toxic way like how it was before. It’s a step back.

Yup, we need a 2v2 (or 3v3) game mode.

My only issue is, the players in the PvX guild who payed these players to win the tournament, that their rewards be revoked. The real owners of the account do not deserve them.

I hope Anet has a good investigation team and that they’ll do their due diligence.

TalleFjanten.7159:

Saiyan.1704:

TalleFjanten.7159:

Krysard.1364:

I dont see the problem, its not supposed to match equally skilled teams

The problem is there are no other skilled teams, maybe next month they can just give them the rewards.

Perhaps the monthly tournament is too easy to enter. It is, after all, a Monthly Tournament. These things aren’t suppose to be easy.

Only 32 teams was in the tourney, even less in NA. Maybe anet dont need to hand out 500g and a obnoxious crown to people for “achieving” something in a dead gamemode. People have no interest in making teams for pvp.

I’m unsure what the issue is; unless you would like to have fought a bad team at the start, of which, is understandable.

Anet can’t regulate fair matchmaking in spvp so I wouldn’t expect them to attempt a fair matchmaking in AT’s.

Blizzard has straight up banned people for match-fixing. But here in GW2 world, it’s apparently worth getting dishonor for two weeks because the person can make alts and he will simply play other people’s account. Can’t blame them. It’s the only way to make money on this game and they couldn’t care less.

If that’s all there is to it.. I’ll gladly get some one out of Bronze tier and into Platinum for 100 Dave and Buster’s tokens.

TalleFjanten.7159:

Krysard.1364:

I dont see the problem, its not supposed to match equally skilled teams

The problem is there are no other skilled teams, maybe next month they can just give them the rewards.

Perhaps the monthly tournament is too easy to enter. It is, after all, a Monthly Tournament. These things aren’t suppose to be easy.

This is more likely just lag from server to server.. tonight was a prime example; mid fights got all laggy, and it was map wide for everyone as oppose of just 1 player or 1 team.

As for some AI playing the game for you… that AI no matter the intricate programming & enemy skill code reading, the bot will always play on a bronze skill level. Especially in group fights; it would be down right laughable.

A type of programming advantage a player would have would be, a program with ‘IF’ macro functions that enables a person to immediately use a particular skill vs another player, cancel functions when using a CC on a stability player, and/or UI indications in AoE fields, etc etc.

The latter is unlikely unless you’re a programmer who doesn’t care about losing a few accounts in the name of science :p

An even more depressing fact is people who do this deliberately will not get temp, auto, or perma banned for match manipulate because Anet has yet to fix their player report system.

Even if they investigate, there will be no “hard evidence” of match manipulation because games are limited to only chat logs :/

Let’s not crucify a person of disconnecting if it may have been out of their control… besides, dishonor already has a severe punishment to the point where it’s a mini temp ban for repeating offenders.

That said, I agree with the main point of this thread. No Reason to lose full rating when a player DC’s for more than 30s. Likewise, if the same person DC’s throughout a match, the DC out-time calculated together should also be taken into consideration.

..I kitten myself.

Ithilwen.1529:

Ziggityzog.7389:

Dancing in cicles is pretty much what killed any chance at competitive pvp, Esl failed because circle dancing doesn’t work. I loved having a choice of something other then that boring junk pvp and played stronghold. Now pvp ranked since season 5 has just been unworth playing.

Conquest or “circle dancing,” your terms, is the only mode that consistently works.

Agreed. If Anet had Stronghold at launch instead of Conquest then PvP would be dead before the game’s first year.

Ziggity may love Stronghold and its PvE elements but the game mode was a gigantic failure.

Taltevus.3289:

I know my experience is not the mainstream but people don’ believe or understand if you get trapped down in those lower ranks…you…will…not…get…out.

I believe this rumor has been debunked before in the past where players deliberately derank themselves then move back up from bronze/silver back up.

Only way for some one to get stuck in their rating is if their win-rate is below 53% (l2p issue) and their win gains are incredibly low.