Rush: 40 seconds cooldown if it doesn’t hit a foe.
Savage leap: Requires a target.
Healing signet: Caps at 350 hp/s
Earthshaker: Cooldown increased to 15 seconds.
And everything will be fine in this world.
im fine with rush with 40 cd if it doesnt hit a foe, as long as it wont get affected by Chill or Cripple and getting its range and speed cut by 66% and ACTUALLY hit the target .
Thief and Elementalist are faster and sacrifice less.
what kind of bs is this?
warriors are the class that sacrifice less while having everything
which class have 20khp / 2000+ armor while having 3000+ attack damage + mobility on swapping weapons / stuns/block?
I’m sorry, but you, a no body(probably a zergling zerg wvwer too), calling a thief who reached top 25 leaderboard bs?
and based on your comment, you are clearly clueless, stuns/block on gs/sword wh, lol.
i personally agree on warrior nerfing, but your comment is just out of no where and you should stop posting.
You are absolutely crazy if you think blind on burning isn’t an amazing trait.
1 blind every 5 seconds as a GRANDMASTER trait and you think that is amazing? Remember this trait can be avoided by classes with condition immunity just for some examples. It is far from amazing. I would have preferred something like 50% Increase to Burning Damage or something.
your example is poor, dhummfire and incendiary powder can be avoided by condition immunity too, but these are OP traits.
you can probably argue with Zoose and Gronzy, two of the better eles then yourself.
since they are saying that staff ele is easier then hambow from what i remember.
Just lol.. i didnt know zoose was still playing but i dont think he does if he actually thinks that. Anyway if you specify that the build must not be bunker, staff will be the harder set to do damage with the most complex combos and the most options for support and control. All that while being extremely vulnerable to a lot of things that are used these days.If that is easier or more shallow than hambow then..i dont even.
Theres aoe..and then theres aoe that has 3 sec delay,1-4 sec casting time,is entirely power based and its power actually comes at a price of survivability.
Pls..dont do that.They might hear you and then staff will never be a thing in spvp ..
Not only that but you cant possible expect people to play the same weaponset for 2 years :P
i dont know who told you that zoose does not play anymore, but zoose still plays everyday. they just discussed about staff ele like yesterday or before yesterday in guild.
don’t argue with me because i dont play a lot of ele, either do i play staff, but i trust zoose and gronzy since i know they are good eles.
@Rickster Your grandmother could play staff? Really? You have clearly never used the staff in PvP. Try it, then come back to this thread and apologize. You are more likely to die fighting any class/weapon combo with staff ele than anything else. Those AoEs are mad easy to dodge, even impossible to hit with unless you have a very fast cpu…
Sure you hit lots in WvW, but that’s just because you can’t miss when assuming at a 20+ zerg army. If you don’t agree, meet me in PvP mists, you choose my class and weapon set, you take staff ele, we see how it goes.
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you can probably argue with Zoose and Gronzy, two of the better eles then yourself.
since they are saying that staff ele is easier then hambow from what i remember.
For me it is unbelievable how some people love so much the PvP in GW2, playing the same tactic and map over and over again for 1.5 years till rank 70.
I don’t get it, probably it is just a matter of taste.
Do you know Dota 2? Counter strike? LoL? Dota ?
yea its fun because you play against real players that react differently rather then just predictable AIs that you just will kill it over and over again with the same sequence.
and no its not the same tactic, because you have to react to enemy tactic if its better then yours. PvE is where you use the same tactic and will never fail.
i think the worst part about decap engi is that when i fight somebody (i’m a condi engi), regardless if i lose or win the other guy will be like “you suck noob decap engi”
now you feel us warriors, when i was running 30 25 0 0 15 gs/axe shield, healing surge zerker war with no berserker stance and endure pain, completely useless spec.
they would still be like can’t wait for the nerf, war so noob after i killed them or not
but thanks to this, we now know how clueless is most of the community.
Why hambow is not in that list, because imo, hambow is actually a better spec then exp a s/s war.
you can win a bad hambow with decent effort put in but you will not win a real good hambow, which means skill comes in play, while s/s war, just completely faceroll no skill condition spamming.
if you want me to nerf hambow, i would say, remove blast finisher on hammer f1, that would remove a lot of might stacking, so it will not hit that hard.
Decap engies and HS warriors have completely destroyed tPvP in this game. This is true.
please tell me how my HS zerker gs/lb warrior destroyed pvp,
are you so clueless
Double warrior bunker meta – everybody hates it, except the clueless ones who think they are awesome because they play lolwarrior. It’s hated so much that the last remaining high-rank competitive teams refuse to run it.
so do i, but what does it have to do with hs warrior in general? that’s what i was asking, like how exactly my hs zerker gs/lb destoryed pvp in anyway. i dont get it.
if you ask me what i hate the most right now, condition necro, mace/sword war(more op then hambow dualing lol), s/s war, berserker stance, double endure pain, sp thief, mm necro, decap engi, spirit ranger.
Minion master is not a good spec. Lame? Sure. But it isn’t a strong build. Meh in 1v1 and horrible otherwise.
Funny anet nerf it when its bad and yet won’t REALLY nerf spirit rangers for about a year.
nothing i mentioned above is a good spec, only either selfish or annoying to fight against, or just faceroll noob spec, you might argue with condition necro, but this one is kinda personal opinion.
Decap engies and HS warriors have completely destroyed tPvP in this game. This is true.
please tell me how my HS zerker gs/lb warrior destroyed pvp,
are you so clueless
Double warrior bunker meta – everybody hates it, except the clueless ones who think they are awesome because they play lolwarrior. It’s hated so much that the last remaining high-rank competitive teams refuse to run it.
so do i, but what does it have to do with hs warrior in general? that’s what i was asking, like how exactly my hs zerker gs/lb destoryed pvp in anyway. i dont get it.
if you ask me what i hate the most right now, condition necro, mace/sword war(more op then hambow dualing lol), s/s war, berserker stance, double endure pain, sp thief, mm necro, decap engi, spirit ranger.
If they rework stealth and compensate with better performance out of it, sure.
Literally in WvW thieves are good at roaming, they suck at zerging. Immortals, unkillable, invincible (often confused with invisible), no… try playing sPvP (even just hot join) for a few weeks instead of WvW, it should improve your overall PvP’ing skills, considering WvW rewards mindless zerging vs sPvP where you have to think a bit. Very good single damage, yeah… but that’s about it.
Is it okay for a class that only has one use? (that’s probably a bigger issue…)
Also, everyone else, please notice this is coming from a WvW perspective…
i’m pretty sure that every one decent in pvp would know that a backstab shadow rejunv thief will not die if only they sucked, that’s why the trait is banned in organised dualing server. ofc it is not useful in tpvp, because the point of tpvp is not being unkillable, the point is to capture point fast, so you don’t just reset endlessly till you win.
and if you think that thieves are not good in small group fight, or useless in zerg, you are playing something wrong.
We’re not saying we are going to do nothing because we said we would do nothing.
We’re saying we won’t change direction (from the previously stated plans) because it would put many players at a disadvantage, and on top of that these players would be hurt because they listened to us.
We seriously considered many different options, and doing nothing seemed the most fair. Do you disagree? Keep in mind, more people used boosters than did not.
Oh please, playing PvP is already at a disadvantage, i can’t see what have you done about it. Yes, remove all PvP rewards for a period of time, so people get no PvP reward for playing. sounds legit. personally i stacked up hours of glory boosters on my characters, and still have a ton.
Also, Why would the guys who used boosters be at a disadvantage, when they already got rewarded with glory.
And remember when PvP forums got bombed? That’s exactly what happened when you do NOTHING.
You don’t understand a single thing, condition war kill any build without condition remove. shatter mesmer, thief or engi without AR.
The thing is, this build is completely useless in high end tpvp, go watch any top player tpvp, you will never see a condition war on there team, instead they have hambow.
condition war does not bring any burst, a bunker bunk better then condition bunker war and it does not provide any CC.
you are encountering a lot of condition wars that’s because you are in the low end rating.
No. I know a very good condition warrior that loses to no one. He only loses to a necro that doesn’t play anymore and muffinz. It’s rare that he loses to them to.
and? skills matters too you know, also i’ve never said that condition war is not good in 1v1 or anything, all i said was it facerolls anything without condition remove. and sure condition war does decent in 1v1. but it is still useless in tpvp compare to a hambow, or other condi pressure class.
totally agree. hambow is annoying, but i would rather fight it over any of those pistol whip thief, mm necro, decap engi, condition war, condition mesmer.
as of FGS, i actually consider it a skill shot, rather then being annoying and stupid.
You don’t understand a single thing, condition war kill any build without condition remove. shatter mesmer, thief or engi without AR.
The thing is, this build is completely useless in high end tpvp, go watch any top player tpvp, you will never see a condition war on there team, instead they have hambow.
condition war does not bring any burst, a bunker bunk better then condition bunker war and it does not provide any CC.
you are encountering a lot of condition wars that’s because you are in the low end rating.
prove you wrong? my not even proper geared scholar thief 1v2 easy without food in wvw, can even 1v3
and my lyssa warrior die 1v1. tell me more please.
lol, please talk more kitten, i can’t believe people actually believe in this bkitten
also Shadow rejunv, condition war, PU mesmer, MM necros, spirit ranger are all cancer builds, and stupid in 1v1, i don’t even know why are you bragging about it.
also, sword/lb war is ridiculously useless in any tpvp.
Let’s be practical here. This just shows why the WARRIOR needs to be toned down. People defending they aren’t op, they either have a warrior character, or think other class are underpowered.
I main a warrior and let me tell yah a little secret.
the reason warrior is preferred is not because it is the highest damage dealer in the game, it just so happens that warriors have high enough damage that can be pulled off a lot easier than others, and we do not die as easily.
I’m now playing an elementalist and the crap I pull of with my elementalist is a lot crazier than what I can pull with my warrior, I just have to be a bit more aware of my surroundings and chain skills that is all.
From my perspective when I’m on my elementalist I’m grinning and saying to myself, and they call us warriors OP, yeah right !
Your ele is a lot crazier yes, but also lowest hp and armor class in the game. Low tier in pvp too. Compare that to a warrior?. Who is crazier now?
Like I said before, people either defending warrior because they have a warrior character (Your main warrior lols) or think other class are underpowered.
you need to learn before talking, i main thief but i also play elementalist and warrior.
people prefer warrior in dungeon group is not because it has the best damage nor it has the best utilities not nor it is the tankiest. its only because warrior is the best PUG class. the only class that has itself good protected and can do decent damage, which means most noob friendly, a noob warrior will do better then a noob anything. while a pro anything can do better then a pro warrior at anything, i assume. my thief can literally melee volcano shaman, while my warrior can only rifle it and my ele kill mobs in second, i enjoy how fast they melt.
i don’t play warrior in pve anymore, just because it doesnt do a lot of damage unlike my thief or elementalist, zerg farming with a warrior is just hell, mobs die before you reach them, and it can not carry your group through dungeons, all support it has is banner.
i think dps comes mostly due to bugged fiery greatsword #4. yet i’m not saying the dps is low, but elementalist is really a hard class to master, probably the hardest along with the engineer.
lol engineer is so hard to play, not. there are no hard to play class in this game, only hard enemy, not happening often in PvE tho.
and ele fgs 4 alone is not bugged(on wall or not), its only bugged when used with lightning flash, without it, ele is still best dps.
what a badboy over here! i wonder why so i hardly ever met a good engineer while roaming, in dungeons or whatever. i could write more, but that would be off topic.
you’re saying fgs#4 is not bugged. a skill that is intended to be a mobility skill and produces a wall of fire behind you. and mobility skills should always be best used for running against walls… yeah, that makes sense.
engineer is not hard to play, ask any top500 lb pvper, lets not mention how faceroll is decap engi. its not popular in pve because of condition and the class itself is not attracting attentions. i bet most of the new players didn’t even look at what an engineer can do before choosing either warrior, guardian, thief or elementalist.
and who told you that fgs4 is only made for mobility? even without stacking, the fire trail does a lot of damage too. i simply don’t know what you based your opinion upon. then in your eyes, warrior gs3, fgs3 are also bugged and not been fixed since launch and being used by devs. devs only said that fgs4 + lightning flash is bug, wall stacking is not. so get real.
“Warriors lost around 30% of their total damage across the board since healing signet was buffed and people are still complaining about them.”
That made me laught pretty hard, playing warry as reroll, playing ele as main.
The first thing is, ELE needs to be full berserk ( build making, optimisation, gameplay ) and warrior just dont.
Running on warrior a 20/0/30/0/20 axe / X and bow ( 30 point in toughness branch so ) and still putting 12k evicerate on light armored, with 8 second CD but hey warrior damage as been so nerfed..
On the other hand, playin an DD ele in 0/30/10/0/30 : you can see from here that most of ele are running full berserk cause they dont really have the choice. So our burst is hight, yeah ! no as much a warrior with 1 touch, you (BTW ) can anihilate us with 1 touch again…. 1 touch.
But i wont be the bad guy and i ll say it, ele as a rly cool burst, not much than a thief or a warry, or a shatter mesmer : All of them can instant kill ele, how nice it is … playing all of these classes so i know how well our burst isnt that much better.
I ll just say one last thing : before thinking about nerf Ele burst, it would be nice to talk about their SURVABILITY, of course we have a huge burst, we also have the lowest HP PULL on guild wars and plus we re light armored, in that logic we NEED a huge burst if we want to be competitive against other classes…
please learn to read, he said warrior got shaved damage BEFORE sustain buff.
warrior BEFORE sustain buff is free kill trash tier class that no one plays and only viable in zerker one shot, so think before you talk next time.
i think dps comes mostly due to bugged fiery greatsword #4. yet i’m not saying the dps is low, but elementalist is really a hard class to master, probably the hardest along with the engineer.
engineer is so hard to master, not. there are no hard to play class in this game, only hard enemy, not happening often in PvE tho.
and ele fgs 4 alone is not bugged(on wall or not), its only bugged when used with lightning flash, without it, ele is still best dps.
elementalist lowest damage in the game? lol, You are playing it wrong, pve elementalist is one of the best classes with highest DPS, 2nd highest dps doesnt even come close, and it has insane bursts too.
When the other mesmer is interrupting her, her shield will go off for 1 second each time scarlet hits a clone and you can port or walk behind her and do the finisher
pretty much, healing signet made warrior op, and every other heals sucks and will make most builds up, except the builds which getting complained the most (hambow and condi, but condi war serves nothing good in tpvp, except yoloq)
mending needs to be 15 seconds CD and healing surge just sucks, why would you punish people for using class mechanic.
oh wait, so you think hambow meta is actually worse then tanky aoe condi spam? lol kittened, i would choose to deal with hambow any time over aoe conditions spam.
also the meta is not just hambow warrior, idk where have you been, zerging in hj?
Everything about Warrior is pretty versatile. Unlike other classes, he doesn’t need to do something like take four traits just to make a weaponset useable. The natural tankiness of the class definitely helps with versatility too, though, since investing in defense becomes a little more of an option and not a necessity.
lol, every viable warrior build needs to have atleast 20 in defense trait combined with 30 in last line and a longbow equiped so you can actually profit from your 20 point in defense traits and not waste it. and have ptv. or you are not viable in high level tournament play. ofc bunker is the only exception because they use warhorn.
i wouldnt call it op, but this is the only class that shuts down ele and mesmer’s viability in tpvp, or perhaps all GC builds. ill just leave it at that.
from your post, its more like a l2p issue then an actually class balance issue.
lol, I don’t know where that came from and how you came to it. He said nothing except saying that Ele’s are in a horrible place in PvP right now (which they are) and about why warriors haven’t been nerfed yet (probably just adding it in because of his frustration of how many benefits Warriors have comparable to Eles)
I agree with him. Let’s hope this patch is a good one.
Because 1st of all,
Ele isnt THAT BAD, like what hes saying, and actually some build works decent, I play a ele and i know.
2nd of all, Ele should be complaining about thieves, not warriors.
tho warriors are “OP” in general , but eles should be more kittened about thieves, because thieves pretty much shut down ele’s viability.
i play thief and ele
sp is one of the easiest build to use and the most frustating build to against, also dodge spamming
SP is easiest build ? I must play other class
i meant for thief, but yes, even in general, sp is still one of the easiest builds.
easy->hard to play
d/p->p/d->s/d->p/p->s/p=d/d
nah, i have less thief experience then you, and i say sp>sd~dp, but not like there are any hard to use build, just saying which is the easiest, also i have way more general pvp experience then a PvDoor’er like you
333333 and congratulations, you killed a good mesmer even tho you(i) are a super casual thief.
Because the length of bleeds on weapon set are no where close to viable for what the weapon does, they can increase the length of bleeds on weapon and decrease the rate of this trait, but then, the weapon will do too much condition damage without specing in to condition build. this trait is there, pretty much to divide a condition build and a non condition build
1st : it is a faceroll build, no skill required
2nd : too many stealth spamming
3rd : does not contribute much in a 5v5 (ofc it will help if you are really good or enemy team is really bad), most people just ignore it as a whole.
4th : no reason to fight with them in a 1v1
5th : conditions
1)Spirit Ranger, Warriors, Necros, – All have specs that could be considered skilless And are also all complained about on the forums.
2)To much stealth spamming is like complaining a class uses it’s skills to much? The spec/class is based on that much like the thief.
3)EXACTLY MY POINT – the spec is built for 1v1’s and solo roaming. It’s terrible in group settings so it gives up all viability in all other aspects of the game to be good at one particular area. That is the definition of balance brah.
4)Correct – You don’t have to fight them 1v1 and you can easily escape them. Once again that screams balanced to me.
5)Conditions – This is about the only point you have any valid concerns over.
1. if you are comparing PU with ranger, warrior, necro in terms of facerollness, you are clueless.
2. we do not simply hate “stealth spamming” we hate what comes with stealth, which a thief do not have. and mesmer spamming stealth more then a thief is just lol
3. it is a pain in the ahole, to fight against or 1v1, it is also a pain in the ahole to have it in our own team (that’s why it is hated, no one want it, no one want to against it either)
4. balanced and what, balance doesnt make this build any less faceroll, or hated, or “no one want it, no one want to against it either”
you don’t get it dont you.
Let me concludes4 you, why everybody hates it.
Because it is a faceroll no skill build, that you don’t want to have on your team, nor you want to fight against (which already included a lot of people, if you don’t realize), which makes noob think they are good, and actually more faceroll then any thing ever existed in gw2. even fighting a MM necro is more fun then fighting a PU, PU mesmer is just a worst most boring cancer build ever made. it is hated in all view angels except maybe the player, it’s just ridiculous.
It’s like people run into 1 v 1 with mesmer and think
" HurpDerp I can kill it like the rest."
And then get to half health and go
" Ohh no, It has me perma immoblised and I cant run because it has leaps like thief that will catch me"
and then die and say
" mesmer’s are cancer, they are too OP because it kills me 1 v 1"
Do I have the full summary of this thread?
If you fight a mesmer 1 v 1, the strategy for fighting them hasn’t changed since LAUNCH
AoE clones and phantasm’s OR
move away.
Most mesmer’s I have been watching today don’t have condition clear’s on there bar’s ( which to me is silly as kitten)
PU mesmer is officially banned in 1v1 and called as cancer, which is agreed by all top players even the veteran mesmers are against this cancer build, it has nothing to do with losing to it and no, we can not kill it doesnt mean we will die and lose to it, nor like we can’t beat it (we can), i think a random PvDoor hero like you must be greater then all top PvP players combined together to be able to say stuff like that. too skilled, much wow
) or think other class are underpowered.
