Guild Wars 2

oh the fun it used be way back when retaliation actually used to hurt people.

Namer.9750:

> A new type of Condition, or maybe a trait that makes all Condis “Virulent Conditions” that are uncleansable.

LMAO

anyway while we are in “silly” mode

how about a new kind of power damage? One is that unblockable, unevadeable, undodgeable. SMH.

I play GW2 for “Fun” and right now i find WvW more fun than PvP. I havent played a ranked match since start of Season 6. I do the occasional unranked now and then.

This is why i have multiple classes. I was a naive MMO player when i started playing GW2 and felt that i could simply play one class all the time.

However ANET’s method of heavy handed nerfing (and making stuff OP) forced me to try different classes and so now im back to playing my DH in wvw and finding im liking it better than my War even tho i have more hours on my War.

Best thing about WvW is that it doesn’t treat you like a kid with amoeba level IQ forcing you to use restricted stats via their amulet system.

build diversity through armor mixing and more varied runes/armor/weapon stats plus food and utility buffs.

+1 i wish i could queue as an account and/or switch toons while in WvW

Caedmon.6798:

Turn Ruptering Smash into a full aoe like Earthshaker

Add an 1 sec immob on Hammer shock

Unblockable effect on Staggering blow

Reduce cast time from Backbreaker to ½ or ¾ and add 5 – 10 stack of Vulnerability

+1

Just imagine how annoyed you would be if we didn’t have the “Salvage All” function.

ive played full dire but got bored. Now i amm double Melee, marauder Greatsword, Sword/Shield DH.

To prevent shopping for outnumbered buff why not just make it so that you dont get the full outnumbered pip bonus unless you have been on that map for at least half the time of that round. That way no one can just jump in on the last minute.

for HoT Pve i was using flamethrower and it worked pretty well while i was unlocking my elite.

I dont use LB anymore. Symbolic build for pvp and Greatsword for wvw.

Rev is still strong in the right hands although its not ideal for solo roaming. Duo with an Ele would be effective i believe. In WvW condi are rampant and thats a Revs weakness which is why i dont see many solo revs.

i only have one set of full marauder armor with Durability runes which i have to swap between my Rev, Power War or DH depending on which class i want to play.

I dont do much fractals or PVE so getting enough gold to make many sets is a problem. I have plenty of exotic sets and a couple other ascended sets with diff runes .

CrashTheGrey.1492:

Man, I really want Astralaria…..

Gonna just stick with Moot on power build anyways, I’ll take disco footfalls over meta any day.

I love my Moot….its so out there its cool. Disco Cool!!!

BeepBoopBop.5403:

Don’t bother with celestial. I use a mix of zerk Marauder and cavalier for both roaming and zerging.

Another nice thing, you can easily turn any roaming power rev build into a zerging rev build by changing foods, putting on hammer instead of sword shield, swapping out shiro for mallyx, and maybe changing some traits/traitlines if you’re picky.

^ thats what i have on my power Rev. Marauder/Cav mix since fury gives 40% extra crit chance you can have a lower base crit chance. I also keep an ascended hammer in inventory for when i join a zerg. The damage is great and you can play from midline.

The 4 sigil proc is an absolute must use “trick” if you dont want to be labelled a scrub rev. :P

Choppy.4183:

Spartacus.3192:

I love power war play style and i agree that most condi wars in wvw are not that good and if you use GS3 and GS5 properly you can disengage, however, Condi war has Sword 2 leap on a very short cooldown which can keep up relatively well.

As you said a power war burst is very strong and most condi wars will blow all their burst condi early which you can then use berserker stance to mitigate. I found that when im playing condi war fighting against power war i never use my full burst early. I spread out my attacks until i see him pop berserker stance, then i use Sword 2 to leap away and kite. The power war will use GS 5 and GS 3 to try and stay on me. When his stance is over i hit my burst. His GS 3 will be available again but not his GS5 so he cant kite away from me anymore.

Two extra advantages I have in this particular matchup is a traited gs and a traited Bull’s Charge.

But I don’t mean to say that a condi war will necessarily be on the losing end of it, and strategy certainly plays a role. If I get baited into the situation you described, I’d be in trouble. So too if I couldn’t utilize my mobility, or in a group fight, where those burns just start adding up while my attention is split between different threats.

I’d love to get some fights in though, if you’re up for it and you’re on a NA server. Condi warriors are few and far between when roaming, and I could probably use some practice against someone who has counter strategies.

im on NA BG server. Add me and we can duel if we are on same tier. Ive only been playing condi war a few weeks but i will say that i understand when people say condi builds are low risk high reward. I live longer and can fight more classes better on condi than on power which ive played for years.

Choppy.4183:

Spartacus.3192:

i run both power war and condi war in wvw. I enjoy power war more although a bit less now with the nerfs (feels so slow). As Condi war i feel practically invincible.

Choppy mentions he beats most condi wars as power war. I have found it to be the complete opposite. Having played as both condi war and power war and fought against condi and power wars i believe condi war played patiently to kite the berserker stance will destroy a power war.
Yes power war has cleanse on swap and resistance but condi war spams so many condis (just sword alone has bleed on auto attack) that you can overwhelm the cleanse.

A dire/trailblazer condi war with proper food buffs has around 3500 armor and 28k HP plus the same access to berserker stance and brawler recovery. Capable of doing 5k burn ticks and 2-3k+ bleed ticks.

I find that, when roaming on power, I can take better advantage of my greater mobility than I could in pvp, which is a little like playing like a thief. If a condi war survives my onslaught while the stance us up, then I can move away and determine how and when the next engagement occurs. In pvp, I don’t have that option, plus my damage pressure is less than it is in wvw.

There’s also the possibility that the few people I’ve found running condi warrior in small scale wvw aren’t very good. My pressure is pretty severe for people who don’t know how to manage it, and that leads to panic play from inexperienced players.

I love power war play style and i agree that most condi wars in wvw are not that good and if you use GS3 and GS5 properly you can disengage, however, Condi war has Sword 2 leap on a very short cooldown which can keep up relatively well.

As you said a power war burst is very strong and most condi wars will blow all their burst condi early which you can then use berserker stance to mitigate. I found that when im playing condi war fighting against power war i never use my full burst early. I spread out my attacks until i see him pop berserker stance, then i use Sword 2 to leap away and kite. The power war will use GS 5 and GS 3 to try and stay on me. When his stance is over i hit my burst. His GS 3 will be available again but not his GS5 so he cant kite away from me anymore.

steppjoe.4386:

so guys there’s actually a nice viable build with LB in wvw?

Ive yet to meet a warrior in WvW thats using longbow.

Master Ketsu.4569:

I love how people keep trying to say DH is fine and falls off at later levels when the top player is a DH main and clearly doesn’t falloff at all.

Top players can play any class and do well. People say Solo Power Rev isnt very good in pvp but then you see Frostball get to legend playing solo power rev N A K E D !

Doesnt mean thats representative for average players.

Rune of Perplexity is nowhere near as good as it used to be. It used to proc confusion on interrupt. Now its on Heal use which is meh on warrior.

(1): +25 Condition Damage.png Condition Damage
(2): +10% Confusion 40px.png Confusion Duration
(3): +50 Condition Damage.png Condition Damage
(4): 25% chance when struck to inflict 3 stacks of confusion for 5 seconds. (Cooldown: 25 Seconds)
(5): +100 Condition Damage.png Condition Damage
(6): +20% Confusion 40px.png Confusion duration; when you use a heal skill, inflict 3 stacks of confusion in an area for 6 seconds. (Radius: 240, Cooldown: 15s)

i run both power war and condi war in wvw. I enjoy power war more although a bit less now with the nerfs (feels so slow). As Condi war i feel practically invincible.

Choppy mentions he beats most condi wars as power war. I have found it to be the complete opposite. Having played as both condi war and power war and fought against condi and power wars i believe condi war played patiently to kite the berserker stance will destroy a power war.
Yes power war has cleanse on swap and resistance but condi war spams so many condis (just sword alone has bleed on auto attack) that you can overwhelm the cleanse.

A dire/trailblazer condi war with proper food buffs has around 3500 armor and 28k HP plus the same access to berserker stance and brawler recovery. Capable of doing 5k burn ticks and 2-3k+ bleed ticks.

Ralkuth.1456:

Spartacus.3192:

Huskyboy.1053:

Because it only costs 10 energy and has no CD. In other words, it’s spammable to no end.

Incoming Rev nerf, changing energy cost to 30 with 10 s CD.

While we’re having this discussion can we nerf Surge of the Mists again just to be extra sure?

And dont forget to add an extra 5 energy cost to phase traversal. Ive seen some Revs use it in pvp. Gotta stop those shenanigans.

Huskyboy.1053:

Because it only costs 10 energy and has no CD. In other words, it’s spammable to no end.

Incoming Rev nerf, changing energy cost to 30 with 10 s CD.

Lahmia.2193:

If you can’t beat them, join them. Sadly, condi is the meta and will probably stay for a while.

This is so true unfortunately. After the recent nerfs to power war ive started experimenting with condi war. ANET slowly pushing people to condi.

People who are still whining about DH after all these nerfs. Dunno what to say. smh

lately ive been running GS, Sword/Shield. full marauder gear with durability runes. A friend of mine gave me the build and with GS3, Sword 2, F2 and JI, you can cover a lot of distance. I havent really noticed the lack of the 25% movt speed. Just have to keep an eye out for ambient creatures to use for JI and Sword 2 teleports.

heck no…..one of the better changes made by anet

im loving the fact that WvW is much busier now. Very easy to find fights. I dont care about counting every pip. Im just going to continue to play. So long as i get my max participation most of the time then the pips will eventually add up.

is Menders really that much better than Paladin amulet? I feel like i cant kill anything with menders

well i think in the Unity Gaming tournaments no one used a warrior in their teams but thieves were in practically every team. So draw your conclusion as to how good warrior is in pvp vs thief. i personally love warrior and dont really like the thief playstyle.

you know that people used to complain that all wvw changes were also pvp changes and vice versa. Players asked for a split because the game modes are different. WvW has diff armor/runes/sigils available plus food/utility buffs. The game works differently.

So the PVP team managed to get it so they could make changes to pvp without having to beg the balance team to do stuff.

good idea but players voted no to class locking which is a requirement for ANET to be able to implement class MMR.

steelheart.7386:

choovanski.5462:

now tell me if warrior was overnerfed XD

No they weren’t. Thats the best way to balance imo. When something is over represented you have to nerf it harshly to push people away from it and then you bring it back up later. Good to see Guardian lowly represented as well. Both were way too popular the last couple of seasons.

That makes no sense whatsoever. Smaller changes done over shorter time periods will not alienate your player base. And more importantly not have classes that swing from OP to UP or vice versa. Wars went from UP (season 1 and 2) to OP precisely because ANET cant do things in small increments.

The daily achievements to win a PvP match with a profession have been removed.

FINALLY!!!!!

haha so true….i mean seriously what the heck?

tbh im not having any issues roaming on my power war, i switched mace for axe. But i do agree warrior doesnt really bring much to a zerg which is fine for me because i find zerging so boring.

Condi war on the other had is very very strong as a roamer.

apharma.3741:

Nerf war

#15SlightlyAngryQuaggans

lol that made me giggle

back in the day it used to be “Oh crap its a Rev on enemy team”. Now its “Oh cool its a Rev on enemy team” you know Anet went too far with the nerfs. And no im not talking about legend ranked players who would be good on any class im talking about the average Rev player out there in lower tiers.

Ryan.9387:

You missed the way it’s actually done.

Take a duo of players on their main and sync with a single third player.

If the three players are on the same team, they try hard. The third player (on an alt) dcs if his team starts losing.

If the three players are on different teams then the alt will throw the game or dc to ensure the duo wins.

This way the duo consistently wins with no chance of losing.

This to me sounds like the most efficient option by far.

Caedmon.6798:

Spartacus.3192:

for my power war i switched to axe instead of shield, however, condi war is just so much better now since it doesnt use GS and doesnt use Eternal Champion which were the things that got nerfed the most.

Eternal champ is still good,dont forget that 3.5 sec stabi u get every time you break out of either headbutt or an applied cc on you.Can make all the diff in the world if your main stabi just got ripped aswell.

I still run Eternal Champ on my power war for the reason you mentioned above, I just think Condi war is much better now. Although i played power war all weekend in WvW because i like the play style.

Ive been testing out Bloody roar (taunt + extra damage) and it works quite well in small scale roaming.

or maybe just revert the retribution nerf where we used to have stability on dodge?

Also Surge of the Mists should be renamed in pvp because “surge” does seem to imply some kind of powerful force and right now i yawn when i get hit by SoTM.

pointaction.4639 no one said condi classes cant be defeated. Whats being said is its super easy to play, low risk high reward, Meaning the same player who plays a condi class/build and then plays a power class/build will have significantly more success with the condi class/build.

Jumpin Lumpix.6108:

nottsgman.8206:

Jumpin Lumpix.6108:

nottsgman.8206:

you know, you can follow the commander and the zerg without being in the squad, right?

You know that you get way less rewards and wxp when following a commander while not being in squad, right?

no, you don’t, but you keep believing that

Uh it’s called tagging, just like being in a party if u don’t do enough dmg to a target u don’t get credit. If ur solo your much less likely to get credit for tagging

How does your personal dps change when in a group or solo? for tagging as you say you need to damage a target. Guards have been tagging tons of enemies with their infamous “loot stick” doing miniscule damage for years.

lol forget 3k armor and 20k hp, try 3.5k armor and almost 30k hp on my condi zerker. In Dire/Trailblazer gear.

Anet’s nerf of GS arc divider and Eternal Champion stability pushed me to experiment with condi war and its so strong its not even funny. Actually it is funny but you know what i mean.

Luci.7018:

After some season , they change the algorimth so if you have a low + High MMR duo/full party, then the lower members get the same MMR as the higher ones

This is no longer true. It was the case after season 1 but unfortunately i believe its been reversed and now it averages the 2 MMRs. hence allowing smurfing again.

you can get max participation from just roaming around really easily and medium armored thief if the number 1 roaming class. You dont need to be in a zerg to get max pip acquisition.

many times i hop on TS to listen to commander but dont actually join squad. I get max ticks and have a ton of fun. Ive never been left for dead unless zerg pushed far away from me and ive been getting plenty of buffs.

In fact many times i hear tags saying pls join squad . Ive never heard them say pls join squad except thieves etc.

With the current wvw population i can get max participation very quickly even when roaming.

I see no problem here. sorry.

for my power war i switched to axe instead of mace, however, condi war is just so much better now since it doesnt use GS and doesnt use Eternal Champion which were the things that got nerfed the most.

Exciton.8942:

Condition damage takes time to do the job and players get their second chance to cleanse it even if they are hit.

May i welcome you to 2017 (actually anytime post HOT) where condi burst is a thing and Damage over Time is pure nostalgia.