Really like some of the idea’s here
keep posting to bring this subject some attention.
How about something like this:F1 Steal ( Same as now?, maybe only give you a offensive bundle for balance it out? )
F2 Cloak – Vanishing in stealth for 3s while gaining initiative.
F3 Retreat – Roll backwards and gain Protection 5s.
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Don’t know if it would be op, tbh i don’t think so. It would help us a lot in survivability both in PvE and Pvp, not in teamfights tho..
I want something thats helpful in teamfights/teamplay i.e dungeons,tpvp.
Both in terms of viability & contributing ( the need to bring a thief ) And in terms of the need for a class to be fun to play in team scenarios. tbh, a ressbot/cluster spammer isn’t that fun. ( i know we can dish out top dps in pve, tho 90% of the community doesn’t )
Buuuuuut i can’t come up with such ideas. Not something good atleast.
Maybe those additions should be in our utility skills?Bah it’s to early.. this became a wall of text, my brain is just a mess :P it’s just some ideas, and maybe its bad, but opens up ideas for other ppl etc. so keep posting suggestions for the future of our thievery !
peace
i actually REALLY like this idea….not OP…seems fair with only 5 sec protection for emergencies and an extra stealth so we can actually use diff utilities for once. i second this idea! and only offensive uses on f1…..we are thieves :P everyclass f mechanic has access to dmg but us…i mean we have a chance at whirl…but its risky to use too.
i th ink this is the next obvious big change for anet on gw2 i almost guarantee a rework on pistol mainhand and p/p will be done in nxt couple months.
You are showing me a video from when shattered strength gave 3stacks of might per illusion shattered (miss those days)… I know this because at 1:07 Osi did a mindwrack and after the last illusion shattered he had 9 stacks of might… Please show me evidence in the current game of mesmers hitting these insane numbers…. because in mesmers current state I am over 90% sure that it is impossible to hit 34k damage from the combo.
You’re probably right about that but it still doesn’t change the fact that thief burst is sorely lacking when it’s supposed to be the best burst class. Even if mesmer can no longer hit that dream 34k they still blow the thief out of the water.
“but they trade this fragility in order to have some of the highest burst damage in the game.”
very sad that we don’t even come close to the highest
as a GC, i’ve been combo’ed by a thief for 6k mug, 6k cnd, 13.5k backstab.
thats enough total burst to oneshot any GC target, even warriors. thieves pull off this combo instantaneously with haste. warriors can not achieve the same burst, they need to cc their target first, often multiple times due to stun breaks/blinks.
theres no point talking about sustained dps in pvp or wvw. if you’re talking about pve, then who cares, go roll a warrior if you want to do pve.
you should use COULD have instead of CAN in your response :P since…you know….thieves CANT do that anymore lol….its past tense….now they just have a combo ….cnd to bs…..no more burst available. (burst requires more than a chain of attacks…..basically 3-4 skills that can be used without waiting for one to finish or a combo there of) and if ur running that 13k backstab build ur really not intelligent bc you are dead as soon as you do it. ….. granted there is anyone around to attack u once u tried
Protip: Your bullets are projectiles, do not shoot at daggerstorming thief:) . And make a set of keybinds. Not hating, just want to help improve.
yes ty i know
i have 1 hand …just got back from surgery on left wrist 2 days ago :/
i have everything on hotkeys. Q is steal WASD motion ….E is CnD …1-5 i keep as is CAPS is shadowstep….. ~ is shadow refuge. as you see its used really fast but i have my good hand on mouse and my crippled post surgery hand on keyboard basically hunting/pecking with 2 fingers lol…sad sight.
video didnt come out right…its supposed to be about 10 mins of that fight :/ srry im still a nub at video…this is all from a 1 hour gameplay today….. only chose 20 mins of it and a li9l got cut off on 2nd vid…
(edited by Travlane.5948)
stacks with meat stew that gives might on roll too for wvw….between invis (2might) and roll (2 might) u can keep might around 20stacks very very very easiliy…i get 12 just from rolls alone….6 invis = 24 might after that. wont tell u all my lil fun secrets but theres one especially strong with 25 bloodlust stacks. or coruption
as an ele u dont have super high dmg although u outlast alot….u have to bring skills that can be used alot and utilitized well….like CC and AOEs are super annoying for any class…especially thieves. hope that helps
a few. like F mechanic skills on guardians….they burn blind heal block and multiple people at that…..multiple targets always beat one really good targeted skill…more produtivity. CnD is a top 3 single target skill tho. i wasnt disagreeing with you just throwing a few more in there.
Polite reminder that initiative is also a profession mechanic for the thief.
It may be unique to the Thief, but it really doesn’t apply here at all since it adds nothing new; it simply replaces an existing mechanic. And it’s actually much, much weaker mechanically than recharges in return for some extra versatility.
Other classes can use every skill on their bar, switch weapons, use every skill on that bar, switch again 10 seconds later and likely use many of the cooldowns on that bar again etc.
Thieves can use half the skills on one bar in succession, and get very little use out of ever weapon swapping.
On top of that, each Thief attack, despite being used less frequently, actually does LESS damage than most attack skills from other classes. Not more. Because oh God, they can use the same attack 2-3 times in a row! …..Followed by nothing at all for a bit.exactly. every class has 2 weaponset…..thief (in theory) only has 1. u attack skills 2 3 4 5 on any class then u can switch then go 2 3 4 5 again then switch in 2 secs and repeat most of them. a thief can do 2 attacks maybe 3 then switch and have none for a while. trade me if u like
There’s also the downside that spammable attacks can’t have anything too good on them – you’ll never have Immob over 1s, a KD, a Blowout, a Knockback, a block or a skill that gives any substantial length boon and so on with any thief weaponskill because they’re spammable. I’m not saying thieves should have those things (they’d be clearly broken if spammable), but it’s a price thieves pay for having the ability to repeatedly use the same skill.
i agree…ur right…generally but im not asking/talking KDs and immobs. although that would be super right? check this out:
Skill Description
Mind Wrack 15 Destroy all clones & phantasms, dmg nearby foes.
Cry of Frustration 30 Destroy all clones & phantasms, confuse nearby foes.
Diversion 45 Destroy all clones & phantasms, dazing their targets.
Distortion 60 Destroy all clones & phantasms, gain distortion for each
distortion and daze are on longer cooldowns….however the most powerful….(in perspective you would NOT want to see them used on you) are confuse/burst dmg. phantasms and clones are made so fast…..soon as you kill 4 theres 4 more within 2 -3 seconds….. just hang out around them doing constant dmg…..get vigor and a larger pool of endurance for dodges and ur golden…ive seen it. use utilities to make them stronger etc. anyway im not saying to nerf mesmers…..but steal doesnt even do dmg. we MIGHT get a skill that does dmg at a very high risk like whirl….or we get a few seconds of buffs that dont last long bc we have to invis alot so :P eh…no biggie… our steal doesnt stun or do dmg or daze or anything….(not talking traiting bc i didnt add anything in with mes traiting to compare on a fair basis) steal is without a doubt come short of its other classes F mechanics. the only good thing about steal is that its a gap closer (in my opinion) and thats only bc we are always melee…..and thats bc ranged dmg for thief is impossible to use to kill anyone…(pistol auto and sb auto)
ok i got bandicam and oging to try it as MSI afterburner wouldnt work. gonna try make some vids today
Polite reminder that initiative is also a profession mechanic for the thief.
It may be unique to the Thief, but it really doesn’t apply here at all since it adds nothing new; it simply replaces an existing mechanic. And it’s actually much, much weaker mechanically than recharges in return for some extra versatility.
Other classes can use every skill on their bar, switch weapons, use every skill on that bar, switch again 10 seconds later and likely use many of the cooldowns on that bar again etc.
Thieves can use half the skills on one bar in succession, and get very little use out of ever weapon swapping.
On top of that, each Thief attack, despite being used less frequently, actually does LESS damage than most attack skills from other classes. Not more. Because oh God, they can use the same attack 2-3 times in a row! …..Followed by nothing at all for a bit.
exactly. every class has 2 weaponset…..thief (in theory) only has 1. u attack skills 2 3 4 5 on any class then u can switch then go 2 3 4 5 again then switch in 2 secs and repeat most of them. a thief can do 2 attacks maybe 3 then switch and have none for a while. trade me if u like
warriors have always had the highest dps melee aoe in game….thieves HAD the highest single target. now thieves are tied for 2nd/3rd with warriors even tho warriors deal more dmg by atleast double. speed of their gs is faster than our 1hs? wierd. dmg is higher too and targets up to 5 in 130 range. when mug was nerfed thief went from 1st on single target dps to 3rd.
Thief sword and warrior GS have the same cast times of 1/2 second. The damage is higher because they can’t stealth and they only hit 3 targets, not five. So the extra 3k-4k (?) damage from the crit drops the thief two spots? Not saying warriors dont have high damage, just dislike when people throw inaccurate stats around in arguments.
Warrior gs has hundred blades and whirlwind, both increase dps. Thief sword has shadowstep and pistol whip. Neither increase dps, they are just utility abilities. If you’re complaining about inacurate information then at least post all the facts
yeah what he said. but also you cant compare just one weapon…. only dagger has a good auto attack….sword is kinda good too but its super slow and very readable/visible so its easy to dodge…almost pretty much between each auto lol….pistol auto is just a joke for dmg…and sb is too….so dagger is the most used…not only bc of BS but its auto attack. if you take out backstab….then take the warriors biggest direct attack 1 target …..the warrior will incredibly out dmg thieves …atleast until under 33%