Guild Wars 2

Kincaidia.3192:

So, my IRL friend who doesn’t do WvW and resides on another server – I can ask him to switch to CD, send him some gold, and tell him to go have some fun in CD’s borderlands, and that’s just cool?

If it is, I need to switch tactics. That’s a MUCH easier way to drain a keep’s supply than sieging it!

This has been going on for awhile, where have you been?

Wasabi Kitty.8247:

Very disappointed in CD.

Was in the jump puzzle. The path forward was blocked by 2 CD. I tried to challenge them to send one to fight me one on one.

Unfortunately I was simply too intimidating for them, and both came down to 2 v 1.

Fortunately I’m on my thief and thief’s never die so I just used shadow refuge to run out of combat and waypoint away.

For shame CD, for shame. Where’s your sense of fun?

CD should be disappointed in you for playing a thief and thinking a 1v1 is a fair fight.

ykyk.2740:

I believe what OP is trying to get at is that because we have a disproportionately large number of RPers (who we assume for now are mainly not interested in WvW), we therefore have some sort of disadvantage against similarly populated servers (i.e tier 2 and up) that have bigger numbers of dedicated and organized WvWers.

May want to check that assumption. I would expect that of the non-role-playing population, most of them are not interested in WvW. Server size is around 15,000 players, yet WvW only allows around 500 per map and most of the time most servers don’t have any queues. I don’t see any reason why you should think that role-playing people choose to not play WvW at a higher frequency than non-role-playing people.

Erasculio.2914:

Genesis.5169:

“Too much stuff here is optional”

Yes.

The game gives you the option of talking to people, not when you are forced to, but rather when you want to.

If you are playing the game by yourself, without never trying to interact with people simply because the game is not forcing you to… Why are you playing a MMO, again?

I play solo almost exclusively, and I am playing an MMO because I like playing against other people (not AI) competitively in an RPG format. Any other questions?

Playing against TC for awhile, I’ve seen this excuse for WvW performance brought up many times in the forums and I still don’t understand it. They state that their server is the unofficial role-playing server and that therefore they don’t have many people in WvW (the assumption required would be that people who role-play do not WvW). Yet they also state that their server is so ensconced in role-playing that they have large groups of players and even Commanders role-play in WvW (example is the pirate people who WvW all the time that they like to talk about). But of course this example contradicts the assumption required to validate their first statement. Anyone care to explain?

Strikerjolt.5910:

Tolmos.8395:

I think they should reduce the price of exotic gear on karma vendors and give us ascended gear for the current exotic price, considering they nerfed all the fun ways to karma into the ground.

They really should get to this pretty soon though. If they release expansions at the same pace as GW1, it won’t be too terribly long before we see the first expansion. And since they already announced that they definitely plan to increase the level cap in expansions, it would make all this gear null and void and we’ll have to start a brand new gear grind at max level again a la WoW.

Would be a bit much to hand us alternative ways of getting ascended gear only to make it all worthless within a couple months after.

Wow.. really? they’re going to increase the level cap?
Well I might as well stop playing then, because I purchased Guild Wars 2, because it wasn’t like WoW that it constantly upped the level cap, and just gave out new gear.
And “Casual players” could never keep up with the majority of the elitist crowds unless they had really good friends that pulled them along.

Wow.. really? they’re going to increase the level cap?
Well I might as well stop playing then, because I purchased Guild Wars 2, because it wasn’t like WoW that it constantly upped the level cap, and just gave out new gear.
And “Casual players” could never keep up with the majority of the elitist crowds unless they had really good friends that pulled them along.._.

Yeah, a lot of people seemed to miss that. I think pre-release Anet spent so much time talking about how unique GW2 was going to be and how it wasn’t like your traditional MMO that people forgot it was an MMO (and therefore will have farming, grinding, increasingly powerful items, and level cap increases to name a few).

JPSnow.8296:

Folk.2093:

Honestly pretty disappointed with fighting IOJ in general. I have yet to see a WVW guild that’s worth a lick on that server and coming from tier 2 I assumed the opposite. Sure there’s a ton of them (until recently) but there’s not much skill in having superior numbers and spamming map chat when you see an enemy about to attack a tower/keep and getting your zerg wave to move.

CD on the other hand has done the opposite, they’ve really been tough competition and I have seen even individual players stand out with good builds/player abilities.

Think about what your saying, lol. So we’re so bad that we keep beating your server that makes sense. Now this is no slag against fa I think you guys have some of the best defence around just need to be more aggressive. Just this guy is a joke.

He’s saying your tactics are bad, which is different from your population, and it’s population that wins WvW matches. A server full of idiots with 24/7 coverage will always beat a server with that can field WvW experts only 6 hrs a day. But that’s how Anet designed their scoring system, so there it is.

I think it’s probably too much work for them, in GW1 there was class unique armor so each armor set had a unique apperance for each class. They decided to change this and go with a more simple approach of just making heavy, medium, and light armor different, so I would guess they won’t be changing their mind.

It’s called market manipulation, one way to make money off the TP. Someone with a lot of gold just purchases all the items available for a certain item type and they can set the price to whatever they want since they now have a monopoly over that item. Not very hard to do, but it won’t always work as most people are smart enough to know a ripoff price when they see it and will decide that it is cheaper to go gather the materials and craft the items themselves. This also leads to people selling their crafted items at an undercut price to the monopolist meaning the monopolist has to keep buying up everything to sell at his desired price point.

Kaimick.5109:

Waffler.1257:

Kaimick.5109:

And you realize one of the profession QQ’ed about the most in GW1 was the assassins. Here is the thing no matter what is done someone will cry OP and then want a nerf.

This particular QQ is about stealth and the assassin didn’t have stealth. It also shows that the thief doesn’t need stealth to be effective (as the assassin was very effective), which is contrary to the people who will defend thieves to the death and say the class will be completely useless without stealth. The whole mentality that you need to have a stealth class in an RPG for it to be complete is stupid.

Waffer your not getting the point are you. OK we remove stealth from the game and essentially make them just like Sin’s form GW. Now you and all your friends are going to be making threads sayign NERF the THIEVE he does to much damage and he is OP. Cause that is all we heard in GW about the Sin’s.

And yes you remove stealth from the thieve as it stands now they are useless, if you remove stealth and increase their damage they are not but the QQing continues. Trust me, you obviously never played against a sin in GW, the thieve is way more balanced than the Sin’s ever were.

The whole mentality that you need to have a stealth class in an RPG for it to be complete is stupid.

This is your opinion not everyone’s and obviously form the retort your getting on this thread alone the majority do not have a problem with the mechanic. Let me give you an example of how these threads usually start
Playing in Spvp:
Caped a point: thieve comes rolls my face and leaves never saw him coming
rage for a bit continue playing
after a few more deaths the same thieve rolls me again
rage more and complain that the only reason why the thieve is rolling you is stealth
New game
Get rolled by a thieve
rage and start saying he is garbage cause he has to use stealth
Get rolled again cause now you offended the thieve player
Rage harder
Match ends leave game and exit to desktop
Open Chrome type in GW2 forum website
Create a new thread NERF STEALTH IT IS BROKEN or REMOVE STEALTH IT IS BROKEN.
QQ QQ QQ QQ QQ QQ

What a good player does:
starts match gets rolled
WTF just happen that is BS rage a lil
Happens 3 more time
OK KITTEN THIS
Whisper player
Dude what spec are you using you are rocking me and I am not going to lie i am getting frustrated as hell?
Whisper responds get spec
Log out make a thieve take him into pvp
Spec and learn build
Play the build for a few hours get it down
delete character go back to previous character
Runs into thieve, doesn’t get rolled and survives, but dies every so often now
Thieve player whispers you
What did you do you got a lot better in a few hours great job.
Your response
Just figured out how to work around thieves and how they worked is all, nice fights though man

You notice the difference there, the good players are learning the classes and finding out how they work, the bad players are just being lazy and asking for a nerf
good day sir

Well you certainly sound like a sad little kitten, I didn’t even bother to finish reading the rest of your post as it looked like a dog vomited on my screen. You seem to be under the impression that I made this thread, if you are then scroll to the top and try reading the name of the poster. I have never made a thread asking for thieves to be nerfed and I don’t get owned by thieves in PvP. I do think the stealth mechanic is stupid because it introduces a LOT of guessing into the game when it comes to fighting thieves, and a game based on guessing and getting lucky is not competitive. I’ll leave it at that since it sounds like you are one of the many thief fanatics who can’t be reasoned with.

Kaimick.5109:

And you realize one of the profession QQ’ed about the most in GW1 was the assassins. Here is the thing no matter what is done someone will cry OP and then want a nerf.

This particular QQ is about stealth and the assassin didn’t have stealth. It also shows that the thief doesn’t need stealth to be effective (as the assassin was very effective), which is contrary to the people who will defend thieves to the death and say the class will be completely useless without stealth. The whole mentality that you need to have a stealth class in an RPG for it to be complete is stupid.

Soeki.9643:

Let’s say I accept your argument (though you forgot to tell us why it should be removed). Please suggest some new traits/skills that replace the current ones associated with the stealth mechanic.

Here you go, just port these over: http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/List_of_assassin_skills

Take a look at what all your thief skills were before they were WoWified.

Tolmos.8395:

Glad to see everyone here is enjoying the new gear grind, and that it has helped bolster GW2’s population.

Looks like, in the end, an open world gear plateau game like pre-Nov 15th GW2 is not nearly as popular as an instance grinder like the current GW2.

Looks like Arenanet chose wisely in pursuing the footsteps of WoW.

It’s all the long-term unemployed wanting to do something that feels like work.

KrazyFlyinChicken.5936:

Wow you play this game on a really low resolution o.0
Nothing wrong with that, just sayin… darn.

Your text is right in the middle where people should be dying.
It’d be virtually impossible to ignore all the whiners on team chat

My comp broke so I’m using a kittenty 3 year old laptop to play while I wait for it to get fixed.

Yamiino.1827:

I have seen like 3 or 4 pre-legendary weapons drop in about a month, and that’s just my guild.

I don’t think those are lame items?

I get rares and exotics often, you prolly are just not lucky?

Guess it’s just the objective, I play because I like to break some heads, some play for the loot.

Can you define often? Out of 3k WvW kills I’ve gotten 3 rares and no exotics, with wearing mf gear most of the time. Then again I’ve been playing since launch and have been lvl 80 for awhile, but still don’t have enough money to get my one and only main char in full exotics so maybe I just suck at MMOs.

Esrever.8613:

play smarter. Stop gambling your money. Buy gems and trade it into gold or something. You’d end up with more stuff.

What does real life offer for poor people?

Massive entitlement programs and a president that refuses to reform them.

Diehard.1432:

Grrrr…my fellow CDs!! Where is our kewl videos??!!

We aren’t kewl :’(

If you want to achieve something in life a good way to start is to stop playing video games so much.

I solo roam with my guardian, not very mobile but I can kill all the other roaming thieves and eles so it doesn’t really matter. Just have to make sure to avoid zergs.

Diashame.6328:

Sounds like a lot of fun was had Chrissy night/morning for all that could get on.

I just checked the history on mos and remembered CD and IoJ have a few matchups together were IoJ roflstomped you, o how things change! CD has improved out of sight from those days. Keep bringing it, so much fun this week lets hope it stays so even after Chrissy settles. Sorry FA not meaning to leave you out of this, equally tough and seem to be fair opponents as well.

Nope, we’ve been pretty steady. You guys on the other hand went all the way up to tier 1 and are now falling back down, so I can see how it would seem that way.

You won’t find any sympathy for GW1 play style on these forums.

Hey TC, can you stop posting in this thread? It’s purpose is to discuss the tier 3 WvW battle which you are not in. Thanks for understanding.

FuVirus.6398:

kostbabis.8791:

Zzyzx.8906:

Yeah pretty ridiculous. Hope this gets changed or fixed in a near future patch.

I agree with OP.

If they start changing these things then this game will truly become a wow with dodge..

How is this game remotely close to wow? And how would remove this mechanism make it like it, you act like this change would be sooo huge when most people dident even know this existed.

Believe it or not, just because you just now discovered this does not mean most other people never knew about it. Anyone whose spends about 5 mins playing a ranged profession should be able to tell ranged projectiles track to hit the target at their current direction and velocity, so if you change either of those then you miss. Also, as I stated before this was in GW1 also. There were actually several different types of bows to choose from in GW1 with different range, armor penetration, and flight time as well as skills that increased arrow velocity all based around this mechanic. And guess what, GW1 came out seven years ago, so implying that you made some ground breaking discovery that nobody else knew about just makes you look stupid.

FuVirus.6398:

Waffler.1257:

This mechanic was in GW1 also. Either get closer to your target, make your projectiles faster (quickness), or root/disable your target before shooting. Really not that hard to deal with, but I’m sure Anet will remove it if enough people complain on the forums.

It’s just a bad mechanic… It makes range classes not worth as much as melee. They should remove it. Does it make sense to get closer if you’re a ranged class?

Yes, because you don’t need to be within melee range to get a low enough flight time that your arrows will hit. Plus there is this thing called ‘kiting’ that you can do, I suggest you look it up if you plan on playing a ranged class.

This mechanic was in GW1 also. Either get closer to your target, make your projectiles faster (quickness), or root/disable your target before shooting. Really not that hard to deal with, but I’m sure Anet will remove it if enough people complain on the forums.

Schatzy.8036:

I bought this game last month for $60, regular edition, and now Deluxe Edition is $45?

I think this is kind of a middle finger to all of us who bought the game for full price. Not only did we pay $60 for no perks, but now there are people buying this game for $45 and getting a handful of perks for less than us buying a no-perk, more expensive copy. Come on now, Arenanet.

Yes, I know it’s a temporary sale, but that doesn’t justify it.

What do you guys think?

You have a 3 month window for returns. Just return the game and buy a new one for $45. You’re welcome.

I think Anet wants you to run dungeons all day and night until you get all the legendaries.

There are three types of people:

Type 1: People who don’t have very much free time but have enough disposable income that they are fine with spending extra money on the game. These people can spend relatively little time playing the game and simply buy a lot of gems to convert to gold and fully gear out all of their characters. These people are fine with pay 2 win because it allows them to get characters fully geared in exotics even though they don’t have much time to play.

Type 2: People who don’t have much disposable income, but have a lot of free time on their hands. These people don’t spend any extra money on the game but are able to fully gear out characters in exotics regardless because they have the time to spend several hundreds of hours playing. These people are fine with pay 2 win because it doesn’t affect them since they are already able to max out chars anyway and think maxing out a char is a relatively easy thing to do.

Type 3: People who do not have a lot of disposable income, and don’t have a lot of free time on their hands. These people don’t like pay 2 win because they don’t have the time nor the money to max our a char in a reasonable amount of time. Getting a char to lvl 80 with full exotics may be a process that takes a year or longer, and they are jealous of both the Type 1 and Type 2 individuals because they are able to max our chars easily due to real life resources (time and money) which the Type 3 individual does not have.

All arguments about pay 2 win come down to these three types of individuals thinking everyone else is exactly like them.

How is it possible that you have played 1500 hrs? The game has been out 4 months so that means you would have to play 12.5 hrs a day every single day since the game launched. That blows my mind.

Why do you feel that you should be able to beat 2 thieves?

Class Name: Void Knight
Class Type: Heavy
Weapon of Choice: Dual Wield Axe/Scepter
General: Focuses on manipulating friendly/enemy positions, constraining enemy movement, and concealing friendly positions to grant a strategic advantage.

Example skills:

Void Rift: Create a rift in space time, all friendly and enemy units that move close enough to the void rift are sucked in and removed from the world for the duration. Players stuck in the void rift cannot be damaged.

Swap: Void knight swaps position with target enemy player and gains quickness for 4s.

Tesseract Nova: All friendly and enemy players within a 600m radius are teleported to the void knight’s position and the void knights gains protection for 5s.

Wall of Twilight: The void knight creates a large wall with the apperance of the night sky obscuring the vision of both friendly and enemy players. For each enemy player that passes through the wall the void knight is crippled for 5s, and for each friendly player that passes through the wall the void knight gains swiftness for 5s.

Yeah the class is probably OP as kitten and would be excellent for trolling, but I would ditch my guardian for it in 2 seconds.

Sunspots.9861:

Anet needs to fix the issue, and I for one am really dissapointed that WvW is such a low priority to them. I never played Guild Wars but I never once heard from anyone how great the PVE was, it was always the WvW. Why is the best part of that game such an after thought in this one?

Because there was no WvW in Guild Wars.

I feel your pain OP. If I had the patience to level another character to 80 and farm a bunch of gold for new gear, I would absolutely ditch my current char and make a thief.

Fiennes.9568:

I think I’ll take this moment to remind everyone that although exploits are heinous and very unsportsmanlike (not to mention against the ToS), I’d like to remind all that the majority of the population on the 3 servers have been great, bar a few bad apples.

I’ve thoroughly enjoyed my counters with both CD & TA defences and offensive and if we get knocked back down from T2 to T3 – then I look forward to some good fights again!

TA? You mean Tarnished Aspenwood? The freak being that spawned when Mr. Sulu tried to beam up FA and beam down TC at the same time?

I actually enjoy thieves. Since they are invisible most of the time it removes the need for me to actually look at my screen to play at a competent level. This frees me up to watch my favorite TV program, read the newspaper, or make eye contact with the people I converse with while I play GW2.

Pretty sure petitions are against their ToS, but then again what isn’t? Have fun with your infraction.

Socram.6587:

The QP system was never meant to be a ranking system or ladder.
The points will be used as a currency for the coming tournament types (e.g. monthly/yearly), and that’s it.

The implementation of a ranking system was already annouced for the big february patch.

So we need to grind free tournaments to play paid tournaments. Then we need to grind paid tournaments to play monthly/yearly tournaments?

Wasabee.5031:

To be honest, I really have a lot of hopes for the patch in February.

Based on what? The great patches Anet has given us so far?

Blissified.8369:

That guy is only right about the story, the story is horrible, why couldnt they have hired me? I’de be their story righter for 12 dollars an hour

I hope this is a joke.

Should change the skill so that it transforms both the mesmer and their target into a moa, then it becomes more of a strategic team skill rather than a 1v1 insta win button.

Mysteries.3659:

This math makes sense, except if you’re only getting one kill every 5 minutes then you’re not playing WvW properly. WvW is full of huge battles, and all you need do is hit everyone in the enemy group once to get kill credit for all of them. You can easily defend for 10 minutes and end up with hundreds of kills.

That said, even a kill every minute, every 10 seconds, is not enough to make it to a million in any fair amount of time. Spending 6 months of nonstop WvW isn’t any less insane than 10 years. There are entire armies that never killed a million people. How is one person supposed to?

Reading comprehension failure. OP said yak kills, so unless you are fighting huge battles against armies of yaks, your post is completely irrelevant.

You shouldn’t have to farm forever or spend real money to participate in every single aspect of this game. Large sums of money to upgrade towers/keeps/castle is poor game design just like paid tournaments are. The way it should work is towers/keeps/castle start upgrading automatically once you capture them applying upgrades in a specific order. The amount of time to complete upgrades could then be scaled depending on whether it is a tower, keep, or castle. This gives a server incentive to defend all towers they capture as they will all be upgrading as long as there is enough supply while removing the need for people to farm gold in PvE so that they can play WvW.

Vorpal.4683:

Who knew that FA has more pve players than TC? I was expecting the wintersday stuff to hit TC harder, but it appears FA has suffered the most from it!

Server population limits were increased for the wintersday event, so it’s actually more likely that TC just got a fresh group of transfers to offset any decreased WvW activity due to people doing event stuff. If you look at the rating evolutions this week, there are relatively large swings in most tiers also supporting this.

That hurts my eyes to look at. Maybe just a table would have been better.

I’m from CD and I’m tired of both of you. My solution is to take a break from GW2 until the big WvW updates that Anet has been talking about come out in January/February.

Phillipidies.3204:

I make no claims about being a good PvPer, but as a thief with only about 15k health i probably only lose 1 out of every 4 fights with a BS thief. I’ll admit my mobility helps me counter theirs, but beyond that i don’t think I have any huge advantage over other classes.

Thanks for the laugh.

Yezhik.2071:

Very relevant video

Loved the music, loved the build-up, and great ending.
Definitely made me LoL.

We just need a Thief Wars 2 version of this now.

FourTwenty.4268:

so many delicious tears. so many of the same names posting over and over too.

im here to say there’s nothing wrong with thieves and people just need to learn to counter them. learn to play the game! dont be lazy

This is quite the air-tight counter-argument. Why didn’t I think to do this?

Feydra.6318:

Heard a old song a while back so i thought i tinker alittle with it ;P… Thanks FA and CD keep up the great work

TC came across the sea
we brought FAs pain and CDs misery

TC killed FAs, TC killed CDs
TC took CD doylaks for TCs own need

FA fought TC hard, CD fought TC well
Out on the desserts CD gave TC hell

But TC zerg came, too much for FA
Oh will CDs ever be set free

TC Riding through desserts and crystal wastes
TC Galloping hard on the woods

Chasing the FAs back to their forts
Fighting CDs at their own game

Golems for freedom the charge in their back
FAs and CDs, beware the zerg attack

FAs Run to the Forts – run for your lives
CDs Run to the Desserts – run for your lives

Not bad except that you misspelled desert twice, unless you really did mean high-sugar content consumables.

The Mexican Cookie.3690:

I see your concern, but I feel like you think that a failed attack should result in certain death(s).

Probably because this is how small/individual fights work in WvW for every other class. When you see another person and attack, either you will end up killing them or you end up dead. The exception of course is if you are turtling right outside of a tower or keep, but those are often few and far between, especially if you are on a losing server just trying to take supply camps.