I can make wild accusations without screenshots too. I saw a guadian today who could hit 10k on spectre orb, never dropped below 99% HP and farted exploding cupcakes that would one-shot anyone nearby, friend or foe… I don’t have screenshots, just take my work for it. =D
Thieves cure conditions and also heal ((Slightly)) in stealth. I often chain a good CnD together with hide in shadows for a burst heal and a good drop if i’m really conditioned up. On top of this he could have also used utilities to get into stealth, did you WATCH for cloak and Dagger swings specifically? Because if he wakittenting that much damage, you probably weren’t alive long
I think people are ignoring the underside to this. Not only will the Quartz at the bazaar not be around forever, limiting an armor set without this precious resource. It’s the ground and framework for Player Owned Housing. Honestly, they just added a foreign object to our home instances, something that has not been down yet. This is a framework and test for adding more and maybe, eventually houses themselves.
Achievement is as achievement does.
I got an achievement today for waking up…. And an achievement for getting a snack… Gee it almost makes them NOT feel like achievements when their so easy to get.
Also I have nerve damage and partial numbness in my left hand and I already got my quartz node AND my miniature model.
So don’t give me any lip.
The reward for this months living story achievements is a load of crystal quartz. This is delivered to your home instance, not spawned in front of you, not added to your inventory automatically by double click. This was added to your home instance.
My jaw dropped at my first thought. Could they be testing the framework for player owned housing. This may simply be a node, but it’s a node being added foreignly to your home instance. Just like, oh say furniture and a house.
omg the d/p haters ……
the ability for thieves to not get hit…whether that be stealthing or thru blinds is their “great profession mechanic”…. do not hate on d/p thieves b/c of blinds….or the combo field…. there are many many drawbacks….
i.e. no cn’d….stealthing becomes atleast a little harder and doesnt carry w/ it quite the dmg…and if u do want to stealth w/ the #5 combo field… it takes quite a bit of initative to form and finish the combo.
The NEED to get in close….#4 spammed as a “ranged” attack won’t kill…well…maybe …not atleast w/o enemy regen and a couple minutes of spamming….
Lack of a true evasive attack other than the ol’ dodge.
My buddy once told me on call stealth was the greatest thing he had ever seen. Where as my P/D thief needs to hit an enemy that will most likely try and dodge away when I get close to use CnD
Also most D/P thieves will go down the trickery tree at least a bit to snag, initive on steal, large initive pool and of course, regen initive faster while in stealth from the Shadow arts tree..
Go look at a few youtube videos, unless you are absolute garbage you will not have initive issues. hell you can even run the signet for even more initive.
On the good side; at least it isn’t forced upon you like Last Refuge. :< /sigh
I am sick of seeing these. Ive had Last refuge since a 4 days after launch, and its never been a problem, why? Because Im not a bad thief who doesnt pay attention to stuff, I keep an eye on whats going on. Learn to pay attention, and it wont cause you any issues!
It’s not about a lack of paying attention. Here’s a hypothetical. Your fighting warrior ranger and your doing pretty well, getting a tad low and your about to back out into stealth. Maybe your at around 30 or 40% Suddenly the ranger hits you with some burst, just as your about to C&D into stealth to get breathing room. Ooops sorry Last Refuge procced mid C&D so now that hit that was supposed to stealth you has kicked you out. The unpredictability of players debunks your “Pay attention” argument.
This is even worse for ranged thief builds since I can have a shot mid-flight while I take heavy burst. Last refuge procs shot his and now I get to play fish out of water for 4 seconds because using shadow’s refuse or blinding powder will waste it .
Whether not YOU don’t have an issue with it, by it’s complaints list there is a problem with it and it has gotten me killed FAR more often then it has helped.
To add into this I usually survive if I get low and it doesn’t go off.
Let me rephrase myself. The dungeon itself is a cake walk, mobs are easy and the bosses are lack luster, the mechanics are severely broken
This dungeon is ridiculous for anyone not rocking a guardian or warrior. I’m running a fullvit toughness thief and between the bots pulling me into the lasers on the first boss and mia’s undodgeable shadowshot it’s a slow and agitating death. Meanwhile i watched a guardian solo Mia almost to death on the last phase between the armor and healing they could pump out.
I have a feeling the people claiming this dungeon is fine aren’t playing the squishy classes.
However, no bs a good thief is not going to get killed by you and at best vs some one who has played for the class for a while you going to push a draw.
If by “good thief” you mean one that is going to run away and never bother you again, then yes they aren’t going to die. I eat thieves for breakfast on my necro, with enough immobilizes, chills, cripple, pull, fears that if they aren’t the least bit skittish and frightened then they are as good as dead in most cases.
Basically the answer to any “thieves are OP” statement is “L2P and get some better gear you zerker noob”.
Screenshot or it didn’t happen.
It’s not a one-hit on my non-zerk geared characters. Maybe it’s your gear, not the boss. In my group there was a guy dying all the time to the beams, while I could just run through them.
Furthermore all damage can be avoided by proper movement and dodge.
her shadow shot is undodgeable
I’m assuming your probably fighting D/P it’s a kitteneesy at the moment, on-call stealth with free heals completely shuts down allot of classes, on top of that heavy burst.
As a necro, if your running wells, the best thing you can do is try to catch him out of stealth and hit him hard, drop marks, drop wells and attempt to get some good sustained. he WILL black powder and try to hearseeker through it to cleanse conditions, Try to stand in this if he connects with a hearseeker he’ll lose any stealth he had stacked up. Other then that just gotta wait till D/P looses some of it’s insane utility.
he can’t Condition him, one string of blackpowder heartseeker and he can hide forever till he’s purged evything off. You need to counter the burst with more burst.
Devs didn’t oversight as necros feast on conditions got torment removal.
Hide in shadows isn’t mean’t to remove torment.
Ah, silly me. I forgot we were dealing with ANet, not competent developers.
Thanks for the info.
Could be worse, we could have blizzard who sledgehammers things around then tells you they will get to it in the next major content patch 3 to 6 months down the line. Or for the next big expansion.
Would like it if torment was on caltrops.
Oh god that would make caltrops insane. Like stupid amounts of damage
On a side note, Torment breaks the venoms build slightly, as if we carry Devourer then we limit our damage from scale
I really think they should have put Torment on 2# pistol.
I’m full condition specced..
As for it’s damage it’s bugged and i’m assuming it’s doing minimum damage.
443 stationary 443 moving for 6 seconds
Vital shots bleed is doing 689 with a 7 and a half second duration.
In theory toment should be doing 886 if the target is moving for 100% the duration.
I guess we’ll just need to wait for the bug-fix.
Even in it’s bugged, full damage state it hits very little damage. I played with it for a bit and found my spider,devour,caltrops is far more effective…
I’m really hoping this is just a preliminary test sort of thing and we’ll see it get a slight buff, or see it added to more skills… Like um BODY SHOT
I agree whole heartedly, made my own topic too. after the horrible mess up that canche was at southsun, this is a breath for good fresh air…
Give the writer responsible for this living story event a raise and a desk, keep him around because he needs to be writing for you Anet.
After coming out of the wreck that was the southsun event, this dragonbash story is shaping up to be really interesting…
Just like the F&F prelude… I guess everyone trips up sometimes.
Also, oilpainted movie scenes are freaking sexy.
Keep up the good work guys.
Sincerely. A pleased player.
1) a few random players within the aoe do, and your charges are expended at the rate of 1*number of players hit. It sucks.
2) same thing
Wait… why is this a bad thing? Seems legit to me…
not entirely, while it can be useful in certain situations like crowd control outside a tower. A perfect example of it being a bad situation is a ranger, where your shortbow bounces useless poison stacks to his pet. Or fighting against a door where the door WILL eat stacks of venom. Critters will also do this.
I mean the full on Carrion P/D Thieves…
Best counter to P/D thieves in 1v1 is to walk away while laughing.
What class are you playing because I can keep 12 stacks of bleed up consistently at 135 damage. Then spider venom on you for around 216 every 2 seconds. If I devourer’s venom you in caltrops I can easily get the bleed stacks to 20+
That’s 2,600 damage a second for my 7/8’s of bleed, not counting my pistol shots and CnD or spider venom. WTF class are you running that can shrug off that damage?
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Nothing really shuts me down other then a D/P thief. Guadians are lovely since I run S/D offhand just to steal boons and improve my survivability.
Hey Anet, want some new stuff for the cash shop? How about tossing that neat order of whispers pop out thing they do to the gem shop, the animations already in game, tie it to an emote and there you go, cash from me. =D
Bonus points if you give it a super awesome smoke effect!
Ah my bad, delete this topic.
After the amazing dungeon you guys gave us during flame and frost Canach felt like crud. No interesting, taunting dialog, no cool combat music and the really (IMHO) dumb mine mechanic made getting the chieve and excelling the story feel more like a chore then an exciting, final, epic showdown. There could have been so much done with the fight against the fugitive of southsun.
Always open to everyone elses opinion. Agree with me or tell me i’m a dumb kitten. =D
0/0/30/20/20 Is a nice strong bleed build, letting you run things like shadowstep and Shadows refuge for escape and survival. In full carrion I can usually take on 2 to 3 players well enough and still have plenty of chance for escape. Damage can be a bit low sometimes but with a Short bow you ALWAYS have an escape option. I usually ONLY ever die in this build if I choose to stay in a bad situation.
20/0/30/20/0 Is much better damage but runs you low on defensive utilities. You’ll be running spider venom, devourer venom for the large extra damage/on call immobile for when they get a little too close. ((This is the current build i’m running.)) This build is hard to lose with one on one, because between spider’s poison and -33% healing on the hostile and your bleeds it actually outputs quite a bit of damage + the weakness effect when you poison an enemy making every attack against you that IS NOT a crit hit half damage or “Glancing.” This is also a nice strat with the shortbow on towers, poison their whole field and the enemies damage is severely reduced. Also, final trait in the shadow art’s tree can be swapped at will from shadow rejuv ((Healing in stealth)) to venomous aura, meaning while roaming solo in WvW or Spvp if you happen to group up with a few people, swap traits and suddenly you’re rolling a support thief.
there are a few other builds people have fiddled with including full apothecary which from what i heard makes you godmode invincible between all the healing we thieves can dish out if set up right, but I heard it’s low on the damage side.
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Wrong build against the class. i’m a P/D thief and I can’t kill D/P thieves.
The biggest thing i’m disappointed about in this though is it limits the builds people will run, moving MORE people into cheesy D/P… Even more so with the slight fixes it got today. truly detest that build as a P/D thief.
Hang on lemme log into my wikipedia account and edit that bit.
(If you catch my drift on Wikipedia’s reliability.)Back on topic. The fix ISN’T a nerf. it’s a bugfix plain and simple the skill was supposed to work like this, someone dropped a 0 instead of a 1 in the code and we had a busted skill NOT working as intended.
I’ll give you that one. I coudn’t find a decent source that actually defines nerf at all. Thats probably the problem.
Player 1: “Hey, thieves are so much easier to handle since the nerf.”
Player 2: “Oh yeah? How so?”
Player 1: “They finally fixed the Shadow Return bug.”I just don’t see this as contradictory at all. Let’s just agree that a bug was fixed, and that thieves are weakened for it.
Ill concede I couldn’t find a good point for my opinion either. =P
Though I didn’t look long XD
This made thieves weaker, so it is a nerf by definition, regardless of it being a bug fix or not. Since when are these terms mutually exclusive?
Because it wasn’t purposeful class balancing or adjustment it was a bug fix.
A nerf is determined by the change it has on the game, not the reasons behind the change.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nerf_In this instance the change was both a bug fix and a nerf.
Hang on lemme log into my wikipedia account and edit that bit.
(If you catch my drift on Wikipedia’s reliability.)
Back on topic. The fix ISN’T a nerf. it’s a bugfix plain and simple the skill was supposed to work like this, someone dropped a 0 instead of a 1 in the code and we had a busted skill NOT working as intended.
This made thieves weaker, so it is a nerf by definition, regardless of it being a bug fix or not. Since when are these terms mutually exclusive?
Because it wasn’t purposeful class balancing or adjustment it was a bug fix.
I can’t stop smirking at the whine.
It was a bug fix, you where using a bugged skill and you’re complaining about a nerf? GTF over yourselves.
Protip, he’s not standing in the black powder, he’s hearseekering through it. Stand in the BP and force him to hit you with the heart seeker to bust his stealth..
P/P needs to be adjusted carefully, as of now if you can properly kite unload can cripple people if your running any sort of damage build.
Strip the boons then fight them, you’ll do far better adding a little verity to your fighting style AFTER removing their god-hacks.
Simple, Charr make about as much sense as orc rogues in warcraft, big and bulky doesn’t make quick and sneaky.
Asura are freaky little midget babies that IMHO need to be eradicated from the surface of Tyria.
The chia pet people who. ((As per popular rumors)) Are the offspring of the yet unnamed and unseen forest dragon. A popular rumor being the pale tree is actually the forest dragon has been circulating for a bit… And of course “More violets, less violence….”
Clearly the superior option is the master race that is humans.
Of course my post is completely biased. So in retrospect play what you want and just have fun. =P
They said they are adding an entire WvW daily category
There are your laurels
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Greater Variety and More Rewards in WvW
We’re adding new WvW daily achievements to the list you can choose from so you can earn World XP for playing the way you want.
Downloaded a patch today, after slipping over to announcements and the recent patch thread I saw this.
"""Fixed a bug with Dodge roll where it could get stuck in the queue and unintentionally execute after a stun or immobilize."""
Does this mean that Withdraw and RfI are fixed and will no longer clear the effect then give a kitten dodge roll?
Been running P/D since launch, never had an issue with it and never will. It’s fun, puts out stupid sustained and NO ONE knows how to fight you properly. =D I tried d/d cheese build and found it boring and too weak in defenses S/D was alot of fun but it was tricky for me to get a bead on. In my P/D build i’m never caught UNLESS I choose to stay in the fight.
Because nothing catches Withdraw, roll for ini IA, IA, IA
isn’t the anti-stealth trap a 4 sec cast? Good luck pulling that off in a 1v1.
Shadow’s refuge
Holy crap, I was speculative that it wouldn’t be that bad, but that’s kitten broken. I run the same build as the thief in the video and other then shadow-step IA IA away there would have been nothing I could do.
That’s just insane.
Thank you, I feel like kitten XD
Is anyone else having issues with Researcher Levvi not giving out another gun, I lost mine yesterday after collecting only one sample. And now she won’t give me another =(
Invulnerability
Lay trap
???
Profit
P/D thief here, was running around in WvW today and during some downcombat I pondered the skill “Body shot” I think it’s almost unanimous that the skill is worthless, not even worth it as an initiative dump.
So why don’t we hand it a little bit of that boon-hate A-net wanted to work into the game lately. Nothing as amazing as the sword three, but perhaps a one to two boon drop off when used.
The skill has a three Init cost, meaning a trickery thief can fire it 6 times in succession and be completely drained of Init A non trickery thief can get off around 4 with decent regen timing before being 100% drained. Now of course the init cost and boonstrip can be adjusted for balance and perhaps we can even grab a trait or two that boosts it up.
This would take a worthless skill and make it rather nice for alot of off D/D builds, not to say I hate my D/D breatheren but it would draw people off such a cookie cutter build as well.
Tell me what you all think i’d love some suggestions, adjustments and any other ideas, perhaps an Anet dev will catch
I’d love to see a bit more functionality put into it and believe it or not a tiny cast bar. In a panic situation i’ve eaten my entire initive bar because I was hitting it during a stun+root combo and while stunned it was Q’ing them up.
Can we PLEASE PLEASE! get this changed or moved, it’s gotten me killed for the fourth time today. Got in a fight with four hostiles, was doing decent before taking a bad root and getting spiked… So i’m about 20 to 25% hp, go for a CnD to break my root while getting hit in the process. Mid-way through the CnD swing I see last refuge proc, heart sank as the CnD connects and drops me out of stealth.
Of course I died, three seconds away from having withdraw once again, which would have given me much needed distance and HP….
I am REALLY REALLY hoping for some buffs soon, they’ve been nuking D/D forever, which I have little issue with I play P/D but these nerfs are encroaching into my already rather kitten weapon set…
Sure I can kick kitten with it being a better player using an UP weapon set, but where does that leave me in the class balance and how long before even skill can’t keep me up against other class mechanics.
HD 7870 here, i haven’t had this issue but i’ve heard of it, are you guys watching temps? I remember a while back tons of 7870’s where having issues with temps where the fan profiles where all wonky and causing BlackSOD
Also how did you uninstall the older drivers. ATI and Nvidia are kitten when it comes to their uninstallers they leave TONS of left over config and .dll’s leading to conflicts out the wazoo.
Hopefully it’s mistyped notes.
I have seen necromancers tear apart thieves in 5-10 seconds. I have friends who play Thief who don’t have much of a problem with any other profession except the Necromancer. I have Necromancer friends who claim they can rip apart thieves. Last night, a Necromancer was ACTIVELY HUNTING one of my Guild Officers who was on their Thief.
So if Thieves are soooooooo OP then Necromancers must be EXTREMELY overpowered. I don’t see anyone complaining about them, do you? No.
Before you start crying “OP” at the Thief that killed you, understand that there are others who can rip them (as well as you) apart.
Protip, getting owned in all Zerker gear does not make the other class OP.
The more you know.
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