Guild Wars 2

Tobias Steele.2071:

Xirin.8593:

Predator.7321:

I wouldn’t call us EU heavy there are just organized guilds that pull all the weight

Good correction. Smokee and the HB crew (and our other EUs) are just insane. They just make it seem like we have a huge EU force.

Now that jade quarry have red guard It probably won’t seem so big anymore.

Sorry, I meant BG vs SOR relative to each other, not compared to SOS/JQ. I should have clarified that.

Predator.7321:

I wouldn’t call us EU heavy there are just organized guilds that pull all the weight

Good correction. Smokee and the HB crew (and our other EUs) are just insane. They just make it seem like we have a huge EU force.

New server standings relative to each other?

Tier A: SoS / JQ
Tier B: BG / SoR (BG SEA+EU heavy and SoR NA heavy)
Tier C: TC / FA / CD

There is a clear divide between SoS/JQ and everyone else.

Stiv.1820:

Daendur.2357:

Lanthrudar.1437:

Heh, it’s amusing that the vast majority of people defending the current thief as-is, play one.. Surprising? Not really..

and they know the profession, and know hot to counter it, unlike complainers that can only write bs on this board.

Also at this point in the game many people have multiple characters.

Exactly. Some of us play various archetypes. I’ve recently geared my Thief in full Berserkers exotics (RainyThief backstab combo variant). However, since release I’ve dealt with Thieves from two perspectives: 1) Knight’s shout-heal Warrior defensively traited and 2) glassiest glass cannon staff Ele possible. I have also played every class to 80, with about half of the time spent leveling in WvW.

My Ele gets bursted by Thieves frequently. It takes situational awareness and fast reaction times (Lightning Flash and/or Mist Form) to escape, but that is reasonable given she is pure glass. On the flip side, my Warrior shrugs off Thief attacks like they’re rain drops. He can straight-up tank Daggerstorm and just auto-attack them down with Axe or Eviscerate them. This is all because he is geared and traited appropriately for dealing with Thieves.

Thief damage is perfectly fine as it stands today. If rendering/culling is resolved soon, then even the issues from Stealth will be mostly balanced out.

tldr: trait/gear a little more defensively if you have problems with Thieves. It would really be a shame for their damage to get nerfed because people don’t understand how to beat them.

Rinzler.8072:

Im a thief, and i personally think that its not working as intended even if you arnt macroing it. It’s jsut way to powerful and one of the reasons everyong is calling for nerfs on thieves.

I think there would be alot less nerf calls if people would stop exploiting the combo

That may be true. I really don’t care since I never play my Thief anymore. However, this has nothing to do with what I said in response to your blanket statement.

Raincrow.1840:

Xirin.8593:

Rinzler.8072:

And thieves who macro their cnd (cnd+steal+bs)

Both situations i was playing one of my glass cannon characters. Not a problem, minus thieves macroing their backstab combo which is kinda cheap.

I hope you’re not insinuating all Thieves macro their combo. My brother plays a Thief with Backstab combo build. He executes the combo perfectly every time and I know for a fact he doesn’t use a keyboard macro (I don’t think he’d even know how to set one up.)

Mashing 3 buttons in a row without a macro isn’t really something to brag about.

Wow, is today Official Troll Day?

I never said it was something to brag about. Read the post I was responding to.

Unbelievable.

Rinzler.8072:

And thieves who macro their cnd (cnd+steal+bs)

Both situations i was playing one of my glass cannon characters. Not a problem, minus thieves macroing their backstab combo which is kinda cheap.

I hope you’re not insinuating all Thieves macro their combo. My brother plays a Thief with Backstab combo build. He executes the combo perfectly every time and I know for a fact he doesn’t use a keyboard macro (I don’t think he’d even know how to set one up.)

Jayne.9251:

Xirin.8593:

earendil.1290:

The issue BG is facing is that in T1 servers are obsessed with points and rank.
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Good luck to all!

I just wanted to say that this post was awesome. Incredibly accurate and well written. And since it was written by an SBI player, I hope people will give it credence.

Anyway, good luck SBI/SOR/TC in your match-up. Sounds like you all are having a blast with the more balanced T2.

lol this was what was done to TC in Tier 2 tho. Or have you forgotten? It’s the mechanics of the game, the third place server will always be targetted and both BG and SoR did this nonstop to TC.

I didn’t come to this thread to argue, so I will just say I disagree with your comparison of the two situations (especially since you were/are not experiencing the T1 match-up firsthand). It is your right to hold the opinion that you do, so I will leave it at that.

earendil.1290:

The issue BG is facing is that in T1 servers are obsessed with points and rank.
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Good luck to all!

I just wanted to say that this post was awesome. Incredibly accurate and well written. And since it was written by an SBI player, I hope people will give it credence.

Anyway, good luck SBI/SOR/TC in your match-up. Sounds like you all are having a blast with the more balanced T2.

Ashanae.9362:

neogico.3298:

I hate both JQ and BG equally, both servers cant honor a duel. Always taunting. Even the so glorified HB runs in 5s and when you die 5vs1 to them you get laughed at, what a joke…

Its like SoS never laught at you when you get killed 1 vs 5.

I just want to shine a little positive light on the negative posts in regards to random attitudes and 1v1, etc.

I ran into an SoS D/D Ele yesterday (was on my Charr Warrior). I can’t remember if she (human female) was guilded or not. I saw her eying the sentry between Hills and Garrison. She spotted me and backed off. I sat at the sentry for a second to see if there were any other SoS around. Once I saw we were alone, I moved away from the sentry. She had bowed, which I didn’t see until after the duel (way too paranoid scanning around for other SoS/JQ, so sorry for not bowing at the start).

We engaged and dueled for about 2 minutes to a draw. We got a random wolf add and she pulled back while I killed the wolf. After that, another BG approached us. We both bowed and she headed back for the SoS controlled hills. Neither I, nor the other BG, pursued.

So “honorable” duels do happen. They are just rare, from my experience.

Azure Prower.8701:

Xirin.8593:

Wittle.5473:

If you don’t have the coverage for T1, you don’t belong in T1.

Please elaborate. The Glicko system is what placed BG in T1.

Glicko system is never perfect.

I never said it was. Wittle’s statement without further explanation is nothing more than a troll.

Wittle.5473:

If you don’t have the coverage for T1, you don’t belong in T1.

Please elaborate. The Glicko system is what placed BG in T1.

Jedahs.2713:

The 2 posts you highlighted made no “claims of 2v1”. It was a suggestion to 2v1.

I am aware of this. I pointed them out because it appears they are both made by SoS/JQ players. I’m showing what a constructive counter-post looks like.

Chrysalis.3142:

Just because Blackgate doesn’t get it, 2v1 is nothing to be surprised about.
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dzeRnumbrd.6129:

Nope. BG need to stop attacking JQ and focus on bringing the points leader back into the pack to make it a three horse race instead of a two horse race
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These are two really great posts in regards to BG’s current situation. I just wanted to acknowledge these constructive posts. Contrast them against posts such as Jedahs’ latest.

Lanthrudar.1437:

Xirin.8593:

Again, 2v1 is legit. Denying it is not.

Pardon the interruption but, from an outside observer viewpoint, i find it highly ironic that anyone on BG would ever complain about any 2v1 fights.

Pardon the interruption; but next time you quote me, I suggest actually reading what you quoted. Thanks. Your pal, Xirin.

Renny.6571:

Xirin.8593:

Renny.6571:

ISteveI.9732:

Now its W+W+Anet vs W !
What else next? lol

Spies.
/15char

Already done!

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/wuvwuv/1-11-13-SoS-vs-JQ-vs-BG/page/5#post1202416

Hm. Have we been through mesmers wall jumping into towers/keeps?

Not sure. I think I remember seeing it at some point in this thread.

Maybe Orb hacks are next!

Renny.6571:

ISteveI.9732:

Now its W+W+Anet vs W !
What else next? lol

Spies.
/15char

Already done!

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/wuvwuv/1-11-13-SoS-vs-JQ-vs-BG/page/5#post1202416

Jedahs.2713:

Xirin.8593:

So I take a breather from BG BL and log on my alts to farm the rich Oric node…

Is ATac transferring to Blackgate?

Wanna show what’s written in that chat window?

Not particularly, it’s private chat with my friend.

Edit: since you seem to be curious, this is as much as I’m willing to show. I don’t feel it is pertinent to show my friends or our personal chat.

So I take a breather from BG BL and log on my alts to farm the rich Oric node…

Is ATac transferring to Blackgate?

drwookie.6391:

And yet when I provide evidence to counter your argument, you just claim it is an “exception to the rule”. So it seems we are at an impasse. Continue to complain all you want I guess since you won’t listen to evidence against your stance.

We can continue this over PM if you’d like, but in short: posting one scenario versus virtually countless (we could post a screenshot for every minute over the past 36 hours and they would be almost identical) is not quite overwhelming evidence in your favor. Again, 2v1 is legit. Denying it is not.

Kunagisa.7361:

Hi guys, this is the evidence of SoS and JQ teaming up against BG in EB

/squints at borderlands

I remember that push from earlier this afternoon. I was flabbergasted. Alas, it was fleeting.

Tala.7638:

And again….

That is great analysis. However, the issue at hand is the denial of said 2v1’ing, not the validity or reasoning of the tactic.

drwookie.6391:

So I guess instead I’ll just state that omg you and SoS are 2v1ing JQ like all the time and any example you give against that is merely an exception to the rule.

Feel free to state whatever you want. Without evidence it will mean nothing.

drwookie.6391:

Interesting…I"ve been on JQBL this afternoon and I seem to recall when BG made their big push to take our bay, SoS conveniently ported into the zone and went after Hills and pushed to inner.
So who was 2 v 1 who again?

There is no exception to the rule that every rule has an exception.
- James Thurber

Thobek.1730:

What makes you think BG is so special we need to double team you.

It’s merely observation. For the past 24 hours there has been almost no green on JQ BL, no blue on SOS BL, while both have been on BG BL 24/7. Also, I don’t think Klovan/Quentin have been flipped at all.

These are facts, not speculation. I posted a screenshot from 18 hours ago. It looks almost identical to this one. We don’t need Sherlock Holmes to deduce this for us.

edit: and just to clarify before the trolls chime in, I have no problem with double teaming. It is something all servers deal with at some point. But to deny the obvious situation that is occurring (please post contradicting evidence) is nothing short of lying.

Don’t have time to read through the whole thread right now, but I have almost 100 since reset on Friday, so they’re definitely still dropping.

Ohai.8346:

Being a former member, they would have to contest already capped queues and have to put up with all the bads.

Just want to point out that BG rarely has queues. This is the first weekend (and for the most part it was only reset through Saturday) in weeks/months that we’ve had queues and it is clearly because of the excitement of our move back to T1.

During our hibernation in T2, we rarely had a queue on EB or BG BL (only on reset night), and never a queue on the other two BLs. EB queue, when there randomly is one, is never more than 5 minutes. Granted this may change now that we are in T1, but we won’t know until the work week hits tomorrow.

Kreen.3925:

If I was responding directly to you then I would have quoted you, make no mistake about that. My post history provides plenty of evidence of that. Why would I be quoting a person who supports the legitimacy of 2 on 1 behaviour when suggesting that certain folks need to stop moaning about it? Riddle me that one if you can.

Fair enough. Consider this an apology on an incorrect assumption.

edit – lol “bad…assumption” gets auto-edited to “kittenumption.”

Amity.8549:

As for the 2v1 posts, I would assume most of the qq would be coming from individuals or guilds that aren’t involved with the strategy aspect of it.

I don’t think anyone on BG is QQing (perhaps those stating there is QQ, should quote it? Straw man…). In fact, from reading map/team chat for the past 24 hrs, BG takes it as a complement that we require enough attention as to be almost exclusively 2v1’d. It is a challenge for our server to overcome.

What we take issue with is comments that are disingenuous to the reality of the match-up. And especially those comments that insinuate that BG isn’t putting forth any effort.

Kreen.3925:

Pretty sad that less that two days into the match up some folks on one of the servers are already moaning about 2 versus 1. Seriously, have you never played WvWvW before?

I assume you’re responding to me, since the last few replies were to my post. If so, please read my post again. With a name like Higgsbosun, I would assume your analysis skills and reading comprehension would be a bit better than your response indicates.

If you’re just trolling, then carry on.

Leo Paul.1659:

If you are leading so far, isn’t it a logical choice for 2nd place to go after you?

Xirin.8593:

Double team is a legitimate strategy and is something all servers deal with. Just please don’t be disingenuous or downplay it to make it appear Blackgate isn’t trying (as stated by Cirus and Resonance).

Flawed Victory.4321:

elkirin.8534:

IMHO, It often feels like a double team but it is just the 3 way dynamic.

Absurd (the first sentence). I won’t deny it is part of the tactic but it is an obvious double team I might respect sos more if you just admit that cause it is not shame to admit double team as part of your tactic.

Exactly. Double team is a legitimate strategy and is something all servers deal with. Just please don’t be disingenuous or downplay it to make it appear Blackgate isn’t trying (as stated by Cirus and Resonance). The screenshot below was from 12:30am EST today and is how WvW looked for the greater part of Saturday (and still looks this morning). Very little SOS presence on JQ BL, very little JQ on SOS BL, both pushing BG on BG BL and EB, with zero pressure between blue/green on EB.

Gajumat.4068:

Score update plz. At work or i wouldn’t ask

EB is pure chaos right now. I love it.

Retrospek.4583:

I’m not sure where an i7 920 places

i7 920 (Bloomfield) is outdated quite a bit by Sandy bridge, and even more so by Ivy bridge. Since GW2 is heavy cpu-dependent, this is where his bottleneck is.

I went from an i7 860 (Lynnfield) to an i5 3570k (kept the same video card, 7850) and the difference is massive. Those first/second gen i7s are solid, but they really show their age in CPU heavy applications such as GW2.

edit: just want to clarify that I know this has nothing to do with culling. CPU/GPU might have a little to do with rendering, but that is mostly hamstrung by the culling mechanic.

BG: 3899 – 260
SOS: 3570 – 240
JQ: 3315 – 195

PPT is bouncing around every 10 seconds (now SOS 250, JQ 225, BG 220). It’s basically even right now.

EnRohbi.2187:

They’re harmless on the ground

Until they get rallied

Wow, TC within 1k of SOR. Will be fun watching the next 48 hours play out.

EnoLive.2367:

That’s the point yes these dead accounts could be used to harm a server but if those accounts are used in exploiting yes the server would be punished but those accounts would be banned, so over time those dead accounts you talk about would vanish from the system.

As of mid-September, there were over 2 million GW2 accounts/games sold. That number is likely much higher by now. Even if just 1% of those are dead accounts that current players have access to, that’s greater than 20,000 potential WvW-matchup-ruining accounts. It only takes a handful, or even one, to break a close match. This culling you are suggesting could take quite some time.

Even ignoring the statistics, the larger issue with your suggestion is still that it promotes punishing innocents. I’m not quite sure how that can be taken seriously.

EnoLive.2367:

I personal feel the time has come for Anet to get tough and not only punish those who exploit but also the server they are on as well.

What about players who have access to accounts of individuals who no longer play and who also dislike opposing servers?

Sounds like a good opportunity to transfer this “dead” account to the opposing server and exploit. Opposing server is now punished for something they did not condone or participate in.

Exploiting needs to be addressed. However, your proposed solution is not the correct way to go about it. I can’t think of any situation where punishing the innocent is an ideal resolution.

TC making a push for 2nd!

Samhayn.2385:

Xirin.8593:

Esoteric.5490:

I am waiting for people to learn how to lose gracefully instead of trashing on a server for having more players, because we totally have control over our population.

Losing gracefully would imply that these people have class, which they do not.

I don’t normally get involved in the tier 2 drama but I stay up on it being on SoR.

So I just want to nicely point out that what you said can as easily be applied to the winners.

Of course that is true. Anyone who trashes a server, be it winner or loser, has no class. I don’t believe my statement insinuated anything to the contrary.

I was not referring to SoR. I was referring to anyone, regardless of server, who doesn’t lose gracefully (such as the person from SoR whose post Esoteric was responding to, and has since been deleted. And of course covenn’s post right above this one, as per usual.).

Esoteric.5490:

I am waiting for people to learn how to lose gracefully instead of trashing on a server for having more players, because we totally have control over our population.

Losing gracefully would imply that these people have class, which they do not.

Who was that beast Guardian from TC that I was just dueling at Foghaven (BG BL)? Before we were interrupted by those 3-4 SOR (hope you got out alive, I barely did). I was the Charr Warrior.

You are awesome, sir/ma’am.

Score update, pretty please? Has the SOR – TC score gap widened/narrowed/remained constant?

I think this is what is appealing about WvW: variety and unpredictability.

There is opportunity for 1v1, 3v3, 6v6, 20v20, 9001v9001.

Each has their place and role in WvW.

dcwow.1672:

Not everyone that WvWvW is level 80
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Find another way to remove bots other than remove a fun portion of the game (and, yes, I find escorting Dolyaks to be a very fun and rewarding way of passing the time).

FYSA – you bumped a 2 month-old thread.

In response to your post: no thanks. I don’t feel like sitting in a 3 hour queue on reset night because every bot and/or PVE’er decides they want to escort Yaks for hours on end.

kuora.5402:

Just give us a badge. Bots don’t care about badges.

Excellent suggestion. It would also give the PVE-only legendary farmers a better source of badges (potentially) than the JPs. And they would actually be contributing to their WvW server bonuses, for once.

Blrrgh.6908:

Wow this comment….IoJ whupped up on BG guilds in T2 NA…………., FA , SoS, SoR, SBI, JQ….. all have superior NA teams to BG from an opponents perspective… instead of getting offended you guys really just need to improve your team in that block. Oh and learn some humility, please.

Your user name is appropriate.

covenn.7165:

GekoHayate.2451:

covenn.7165:

It’s even funnier when it is actually about the score in this match up and is still off topic according to someone.

And who is this someone?

Well we cant talk about moderation. I will leave that up to you to figure out. Heh wink

BG and SoR have a common enemy!

sceptus.9415:

By the way, does anyone have any tinfoil hats laying around?

I do.

They have ~~BG&TC 4EVER BFF~~ written on them.

ykyk,

If you keep making posts like this, you are going to be in danger of me falling in love with you <3