I decided to run around with it, I actually fought very few thieves 1v1… This is probably cause SBI is currently fighting SoR and SoS… So not many travel solo….My main thing I wanted to test was if Reveal was a stackable debuff, Meaning if I popped Sic’Em right after they attacked from stealth would it be a 7 second buff (8 second SPvP) or would it simply Overwrite it.
I learn that it wasn’t stackable as far as a debuff, I think it may overwrite though but its really hard to tell in a fight.
My Suggestion would be, don’t use Sic’Em while the Thief has Reveal on himself, as you’ll probably waste it.
I did however run into quite a few fights where thieves were trolling people with D/P and such….in this case…Sic’Em is actually very very lame to have used on you if you’re a Thief.
Most D/P Thieves are fairly squishy, So if you time it right, you’ll cause their death pretty easily.. I know i ended quite a few engagements by trolling Thieves with it.
A lot of them simply don’t expect it either..Which is the hilarious part.
So if you’re a Bear Ranger, make yourself useful and slot this ability and learn to troll with it.
Beastmaster Rangers i wouldn’t recommend the ability unless you’re running Traveler Runes and can afford to drop Signet of the Hunt. You want SoR and Signet of the Wild Period….. But i could see Sic’Em being used as an alternative ability to Lightning Reflex, I recommend Spiders with it as well.. As they’re fairly good about hitting the target as well and thus making good use of the damage portion of it.
But yea, Not a huge game changer, Makes us more able to Troll Thieves though, which is always amusing.
I played with it some
Its not that great for 1v1 fights, Thieves will still get away just as easily, and it won’t really be of use.
However if you’re zerging around on Ranger, Please for the love of god, Use this ability..
I caused the death of quite a few thieves I just happen to run across that went for the stealth at half life..
It doesn’t make us more more valuable, just more kittenish, and to be honest, there needs to be a kittenish class in this game to annoy thieves.
Moa’s
Again, the pattern is here for all our other useless pets, Less Damage, for kitten poor utility. If you want me to take a damage hit Anet, Esp after you already nerfed my class multiple times in terms of damage, You’re going to have to offer me a choice making it up with utility. one of the bigger reasons to use Moa’s is they have a Heal + Heal Field, That you can’t control what so ever…Not only does it have a very small radius, I can’t control when they use it…
1. Red Moa – This only useful Moa and its only used in Dungeons..No one is going to run around with this pet anywhere else because the damage loss of picking up Fury which only really helps certain power based builds isn’t worth it. Again we have an ability with a fairly long cast time that requires me to stand near the pet. This is why this pet is only used in Dungeons.
2. Blue Moa – Let me kitten my damage some for a 3-5 second Protection..That just sounds fantastic…
3. White and Pink Moa – Going to include these together, Because they suffer from same stupidity, Not only do i have to get my pet near the target and hope they stay near the target, I’m gimping my damage for for a 2 Second Daze, and a bloody 3 second Chill…Why in the hell would I ever bother lowering my damage for either of those abilities Anet?
There is a reason Rangers have chosen to use the higher dps pets Anet, and its real simple, Because you failed horribly to actually make these Pets some what useful utility wise. Until you sit down and rework this, you’ll continue to have the same issues.
I’m going to go through, and list off every pet, and why Rangers don’t currently use them, This will help you if you bother to read it…This will let you understand our current Motivations.
Going to start with Bears, Because they’ve basically been the calling card of bad rangers for quite some time now
Bears
1. Brown Bear: Why are Brown bears not used, Because their damage is poor, and they offer very little in terms of utility, which you improved this patch, There is zero reason to use a Brown Bear in this game unless you’re just bad…a Drake 99% of the time is the better choice. The Brown Bear in Particular is still not going to be used because You tied a large portion of are damage to our actual pets, So if we choose to pickup Bears we lower our damage to pickup what is usually a single utility skill. In this case, a 2 Condition Removal on a 25 second cooldown, That we have to stand next to. No one is going to make that choice. The only way it becomes valuable is when it start hitting 3 and 4 Conditions removed…As now you have an actual choice between DPS loss, and Condition Removal.
2. Black Bear : This comes back to the same reason you don’t use Most bears, They kitten your damage and usually the only thing you gain out of selecting this pet is the actual F2, in this case, a Weakness… That has a 1.25 second cast time….and a fairly long cooldown, Why the hell am I going to kitten my damage when I can pickup say a Spider/Drake/or any pet really and use Axe Main hand and get Weakness.
3. Polar Bear : This is even worse then Black Bear, its a low duration chill, Again… No one is going to trade up a ton of damage for an incredibly low duration chill.
4. Actodus : This has a bleed, That does less damage then just letting the pet auto attack because of its terrible cast time, and not to mention, absolutely horrible Cast Animation that telegraph’s it..
5. Murellow: Poison Field, Spiders can provide this, along with better everything….Again Zero reason to ever choose this pet.
Until you understand that gimping our damage for incredibly bad F2 abilities that provide crap in terms of utility, no one but very bad rangers and bots will use these pets…
Pigs
I’m not even go through each pig, Because every pig actually provides amazing utility, But you’ve decided to make this Utility INCREDIBLY ANNOYING TO USE… This is why Pigs aren’t used in general, I can forgive their terrible damage, and there god awful Knockdown that is a pain in the kitten to use, but if i’m going to do that…I want the utility of their F2 to be great, and more importantly, I want it to be somewhat User Friendly….and in this case, a Cactus in the rear is more user friendly then the Pigs F2 Abilities Currently.
Devourer
Have you noticed why Rangers use these pets underwater Anet? Its because they attack at .75 Seconds vs their land version of 1.00 seconds…That makes them somewhat decent, Not to mention, they have a great stun underwater…Do you know why they’re not used on land? Because their damage is horrible, and their utility is kitten.
1. Carrion Devourer – This has another one of those Poison Field abilities, Again, Why the hell and i’m going to pick a pet that does less damage, and less utility then a Spider which gets this F2 as a basic ability they just bloody cast…..There is no reason ever to use this pet…Everyone of the Spiders is 100% better choice.
2. Whiptail Devourer – This is basically our bloody Poison Arrow ability in Shortbow, only its got an incredibly long 2.50 Cast time..Why the hell would anyone again…Choose this ability, We have plenty of poison already and a Spider Easily offers this much better…..
3. Lashtail – This only usable Devourer on land, while it does have a fairly nice F2 for damage, Its got a 4 second Channeled cast time.. Meaning everyone will just dodge it….You’re basically giving up more utility for less damage then most pets.
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Juvenile Black Bear •Enfeebling Roar: Reduced the recharge from 45 seconds to 40 seconds.
Honestly that one takes the proverbial biscuit. If they really honestly thing that the reason people dont like (black) bears is because their F2 cooldown is 5s too long.. then ANet is really beyond all help.
What annoys me is, They seem to have no actual clue why we don’t use certain pets.
Rofl, Ok in case Anet ever actually reads this post.
Let me clear a few things up for you.
If you’re going to increase Pet HP, one of the area’s you want to increase it in, Is the bloody area with massive stacks of people AOEing, in otherwords..World vs World.
Also
Ranger Pets •Juvenile Jungle Stalker •Mighty Roar: Increased the might duration from 10 seconds to 15 seconds. Reduced the recharge from 30 seconds to 25 seconds.
The reason this ability isn’t used has little to do with the Recharge or Duration of the Ability, If you bothered to ask us before making these pitiful changes we’d be able to tell you what is wrong with it. The reason no one uses this ability is because the abilities cast time is bloody 3 seconds. So Not only do I have to stand near that bloody pet for 3 seconds, I got to waste way more potential DPS casting the ability then I gain from it.
•Juvenile Brown Bear •Shake It Off: This skill will now remove two conditions from nearby allies.
Again, While its an improvement, No one is going to slot this pet to remove 2 conditions on a 25 second cooldown, if it was 3 or 4 People might of slotted this pet and took the DPS loss.. otherwise no…Its not worth it.
•Juvenile Black Bear •Enfeebling Roar: Reduced the recharge from 45 seconds to 40 seconds.
This is not a buff, No one is going to slot the Black Bear because we already have far better ways to get Weakness. Dropping the cooldown by 5 seconds is not a buff, does not improve the utility of the pet, and is bloody sad you thought it was.
•Juvenile Blue Moa •Protecting Screech: Reduced the recharge from 40 seconds to 30 seconds.
Again, You didn’t improve the utility of this pet like you talked about, This is not an improvement, The reason these pets aren’t be used isn’t because the cooldown of the abilities, but because the Heal that these pet do is completely unreliable, which is why you would take them in the first place
•Juvenile Red Moa •Furious Screech: Reduced the recharge from 30 seconds to 25 seconds.
This will probably get used in a dungeon, It won’t be used anywhere else
•Juvenile Cave Spider •Weakening Venom: Increased the vulnerability from 1 stack for 5 seconds to 3 stacks for 10 seconds.
sadly, you probably think that the 3 stacks from 1 stack is a massive buff and that’s why this pet is now better, When in reality the only actual useful buff you did was increasing it from 5 seconds to 10 seconds to give us better Condition Cover
•Juvenile Fern Hound •Regenerate: This will now also heal nearby allies for 1000 base and up to 1350 when traited with Compassion Training.
Actual Buff I suppose, Till you realize it has a huge cast time, and is annoying to get off like most pet abilities
•Juvenile Hawk •Lacerating Slash: Hawk and Eagle now have separate cooldowns for this skill.
Now only if using Lacerating Slash was an actual DPS increase over the pet auto attacking
•Juvenile Lynx •Rending Pounce: This skill’s tooltip now displays the correct amount of bleeding applied.
Great…
No – the pet HP boost does NOT go over to WvW. Logged in, tested, tried not to cry, then cried.
/facepalm
the area where its really needed, and its not added..
I run with Traveler Runes, I’ve pretty much stuck with SoTW,SoR,Lightning Reflex as my utilities, The only one i’ll even consider switching out after the patch is LR for Protect Me (Since Pets might Survive fights now)
The only way Sic’Em will ever be useful, is if it didn’t drop randomly (which it does), and could be used at the same time I actually use my pets abilities (Owl for Example, I can’t use the F2 of the Owl while Sic’Em is going or it will end Sic’Em)
Rofl, 4 Second Reveal will not make Sic’Em any better..
The Damage increase is pretty crap, Because most of the time it ends up wasted with your pet not doing anything remotely useful.
If the Reveal is 4 Seconds only, I simply won’t use it.
I found to stand a remote chance against a Warrior right now on my Ranger, I have to run 2 Stun Breakers and Rampage as One.
Anything less, is death …
It takes but 1 stun and they can almost instantly kill me running a Full Bunker build.
Prysin Berserker Stance, and the fact they’ll just run right through those things with Anti condition Duration Food and Melandru Runes.
Warriors got overbuffed, they’re currently the only ones that think they’re fine… But right now there is zero reason to play anything else if you want to play the best class.
It has the best damage, the best sustain, the best mobility, and amazing group utility.. and its all basically from 1 Spec.
Dungeons are so easy in this game, it doesn’t matter what you run honestly
BM Bunker with Traveler Runes
SoR and Lightning reflex equipped, Two Stun Breaks basically..
Just Alternate when ya get in trouble..
They either run away, or you run away, neither will kill one another if they’re smart
Good rangers? Ranger playstyle has barely shifted at all. Its same crap different pile every single meta build the rangers had has been lame as hell. They’ve been 111111111 spamming from day 1 and spirit nerf won’t change that. Get over it and bring some power cleave.
The interesting thing about Most posts concerning the Spirit Ranger is most come down to some noob whining “They just spam the 1 key all day long”
Completely Ignoring the fact that if you run something like Axe/Torch and Sword/Dagger, you actually don’t use your auto attack all that often.
Its only with something like shortbow does auto attack get used most of the time, But at the same time, a Ranger will use everyone of his Shortbow Abilities in a fight.
I think why people don’t notice this though is simply because all the animations are virtually the same except the Evade and the Poison Arrow….They’re also not high damage like for example 100b..
All the Shots are basically the same damage as the auto attack, There is no shot that is actually more damage then the auto attack. If for example, The Cripple + Bleed Attack did vastly more damage and had a unique Animation you’d probably have less whines about people getting killed by the 1 Spam (Despite it actually not being really any different from any other class and spamming their 1 key)
You’re joking right? I was hitting Rogues for 2k+ with Arcanite Reaper at the start of the game with Auto Attack on Crit, That’s not Mortal Strike or Overpower, That’s auto Attack
You clearly did not play WoW at the start, otherwise you’d know this. I was the first Warrior on the server I was on to get Arcanite Reaper, and I was two shotting Rogues left and right because of it. They ended up nerfing Warriors soon afterward because of that. Well before anyone got Ragnaros
This is one of our core group members in vanilla. Ive raided naxx 60 and ranked up till rank 13 with him. In this video he uses a both a fury 2 × 1 hander spec and a 2 handed spec with rags hammer. Skip to the parts with the 2 hander and check what the real numbers of a warrior who has BiS gear where.
http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/lightbringer/Ar%C3%A8thusa/
My old locks armoury. I will activate it with the 7 days free time for you to see it really is my character.
You do know that Mortal Strike was nerfed before Ragnoras was added to the game right?
Trying to remember if they nerfed the Auto Attacking Scaling with it as well, But you ask any warrior who had arcanite reaper with the old 200% Mortal Strike what there damage was..Hell ask your guildie if he played back then.
Mortal Strike changed to deal weapon damage + a flat amount (85, 110, 135, 160) instead of percentage-based damage. Additional ranks available on Warrior trainers.
That was done in 1.2, Honor wasn’t even added till 1.4 to give you an idea.
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Clearly he didn’t play at the beginning of WoW, when i could take my Warrior with Arcanite Reaper and two shot a Rogue.
I played since day 1….and no you didnt two shot a rogue unless he had no gear. In fact there is a clip with my rogue in it from vanilla facing my old friend who played a warrior with ragnaros hammer. Regular crits where around a 1000, full geared rogues had 4500ish hp in full warlord gear.
So what youre saying is that you critted higher with your craftable weapon than a legendary wielding warrior warrior who used a mix of the warlord set + naxx 60 offpieces?
And that was vanilla, when there was no rated pvp. Nothing like GW2 with its rated pvp and esports aspirations.
You’re joking right? I was hitting Rogues for 2k+ with Arcanite Reaper at the start of the game with Auto Attack on Crit, That’s not Mortal Strike or Overpower, That’s auto Attack
You clearly did not play WoW at the start, otherwise you’d know this. I was the first Warrior on the server I was on to get Arcanite Reaper, and I was two shotting Rogues left and right because of it. They ended up nerfing Warriors soon afterward because of that. Well before anyone got Ragnaros
Welcome to life. You think everything is going to be fair?
I played a hunter in WoW with over 70 keybindings to get gladiator.
My friend played an ele shaman and got gladiator by hitting 3-5 keys.
Deal with it. There will —-> NEVER <—- be balance in ANY game.
If you can’t handle this concept I suggest you quit MMO type games. Go play an FPS game.
To be honest i dont a mind a difference. What i do mind is the absurd gap like we have in GW2 now.
And no the difference isnt as big in WOW. I played wow since beta, been gladiator and whent 2200-2600 with the majority of classes. I know how that game works and what it takes to be succesfull.
Standard dps and burst rotations in wow have a similar a number of abbilities for pretty much all classes in that game. There is a difference between how classes land their burst, CC, ettc which makes a class easy or hard. But even the easiest class (like ele shaman) has a 6 abbilitie rotation it has to go through to do his normal dmg (outside of his CDs).
And there certainly is no class that can spam his autoattack and win that way, like we have in this game. Or are you telling me an ele shaman can spam just his lightening bolt and win?
Well….we had icey touch DKs in S5 (2008) i guess. The sad part is, that this game has multiple classes/specs like that.
WOTLK shaman in a nut shell.
Heroism -> flame shock -> lava burst -> CL -> dead target
No need to shock interrupt or anything when you could 100-0 any target.
Clearly he didn’t play at the beginning of WoW, when i could take my Warrior with Arcanite Reaper and two shot a Rogue.
The ranger doesn’t dodge anything, gets hit by everything, drops spirits and wins by default of being a ranger, and it’s the Ele’s fault for playing badly.
The ele didn’t dodge the ranger, and had less health then the ranger…So yes..That’s what happens when you don’t dodge and get hit by everything.
Both played badly, only one didn’t spec to have like no health, so he ran out of health faster and just lost the fight.
seriously? how are people defending this? the player was disabled for 90% of the fight (i.e. he wasn’t actually playing!!!), but some how it’s OK that he won that fight? In a Player versus Player match???
I don’t care what classes were being played. kitten like that has no business being in PvP
How can so many people be this self-centered or outright stupid?
I blame public education…
play spirit ranger and fight a warrior, necro, mesmer, thief, engi or guardian, even a good ele is not so easy to fight.
if you play a class with much passive mechanic, you have at the other side less self controll and the “good” enemy players can handle such things, because ranger passive and pet attacks happen always in same rotation.most ranger qq is a learn to play problem, because ppls dont create a ranger to learn his skills. i know also much ppls in my friendlist played all professions, but not the ranger.
for example…
when i play my bunker guardian i can survive a spirit ranger like forever.
but when i play a spirit ranger i can kill much guardians.
and why, just because this ppls dont know the ranger class well.HO LEE FUKKK!!!!!!!
Seriously? Can you Rangers just drop the class-protectionist attitude for one second and just look at the video from an objective PvP standpoint?
Please tell me why you think it’s OK for:
- A player who’s not even participating in a fight due to being disabled for the majority of it to win said fight in PvP?
- A player being capable of dealing enough damage to another class to down them without having to hit a single button?How is this even regarded as acceptable PvP game development?
Every PvP player should be up in arms about this. Including the Rangers. Rangers above all should be demanding more and better from ANet.
Ehh, Not only did he pop the Ele with a Burn from his bow attack, He told his pets to pop their abilities (all requiring a button press) followed by telling his pet to use Icy Pounce…
So the Ranger actually had to click the buttons to get his pets to do those things..Though I think OE actually ended up killing those said spirits while standing ontop of them which wasn’t very bright either.
Yeah, those bleeder builds are a lot of fun when you catch people off guard. I consider it like a thief catching someone off guard because it has so much burst. I’m running Rampager’s armor with perplexity runes. Celestial trinkets and Celestial weapons along with +40% condition and condi oil food.
Ahh, I knew you had to have Power in the build, and had to have crit, and your condition damage was fine, but the HP was about 3k higher then the full Rampager Gear I run.
Yea the Rampager Build is hilarious, Offhand Horn can kitten near put 25 stacks of bleeds on someone if you pop sharpening stone.
I’ve killed quite a few people with that setup, It was actually what I was using for zerging before they nerfed Sharpening Stone and Barrage (use to be able to nail the whole zerg with it)
Oh how I miss Bleeder Builds and using Keen Edges+Sharpening Stones with Barrage.
Is that Celestial Armor, Didn’t look like Rampagers based on HP or Rabid.
Ahh, maybe it’ll be better then, though Traveler still has condition duration and boon duration which is nice.
Holy kitten, there are people defending this crap. This game is beyond salvation.
You know what Ostricheggs? They are right! You shouldn’t attack our spirit-ranger overlords. In fact, just run away. Or even better,alt F4! Yeah, that will teach him.
you’re right, Glass Cannon Ele shouldn’t have to dodge attacks, or use heals when low against a Ranger..That’s just silly..
/facepalm
I’ve not tried it on Technobabble Build yet..Not enough cash, However I know not having a Stun Breaker is asking for death in todays pvp.
I’m running 2 Stun Breakers right now with BM Bunker, Confusion while nice doesn’t compare to picking up SoR for example (which can save your life vs Necro’s for example)
I might actually drop a Stun Breaker as well when they change Sic’Em I have to see how it works, If its just a 4 second Reveal, it’ll never touch my bar because its awful.
Am I the only person who doesn’t see this video as being a commentary on class balance? The way I see it it’s more about the mechanics of the game and what is perceived to be (un)acceptable/(in)appropriate for a Player versus Player game.
From what I can tell the video is showing everyone that there are some substantially unhealthy and inappropriate mechanics at work in PvP – and not just what’s being pointed to in regards to the ranger, as you’ll notice that the Ele was also unloading a fair bit of instant cast Air burst that no one but a computer could defend against anyways.
I agree with this.
Ranger get CCd to (near) death, cannot react for 3s = OK.
Ranger gets lucky (happens once in a blue moon), kills glass Ele = not OK.Why?
In which planet does your statement below become valid?
“Ranger gets lucky (happens once in a blue moon), kills glass Ele = not OK.”
Spirit rangers must be the luckiest players I know, because they ALWAYS kill glass eles.
Esp ones that charge right into the middle of their pets all casting at once.
I don’t always play a glass cannon ele, but when I do…I charge into the middle of a Spirit Ranger with 3 pets getting ready to cast because reasons
I couldn’t help to laugh at him whining about BM Bunker build being Passive, completely ignoring the fact that its not the pet that is killing him, but the insane amount of conditions that you can apply with the build.
Anyone who thinks you don’t “do anything” as a BM Bunker while your pet kills the player clearly doesn’t understand the build…
I ran my Rabid Build as both a Trapper and a Spirit Ranger using Traveler Runes, the amount of condition damage is silly…I actually opted for i think 60% boon duration on the spirit build cause of the buffs you can put out.
Its very slow paced, Much Slower then previous games its similar to (Rift/Swtor/WoW)
You have a base 2.5 GCD on everything….and very few if anything doesn’t use the GCD…So if I hit a mob with an attack, and something pops up that I got to interrupt, I got to hope its not faster cast then 2.5 seconds otherwise I won’t be able to Interrupt.
Yea same Jcbroe, I actually has Superior Rune of Speed, but I waited like a month to have them fix it, but despite them knowing about it, they never bothered fixing it in the past 2 patches so I just decided to spend the gold
I would like to get it for my Dazer set… but I’d need money, and I spend more time playing FFXIV right now then GW2.
Is that game any good? Whats the pvp like?
No PvP in it yet, Suppose to come within the next patch or two…Will have Death Match Arena and a 3 Faction Massive Scale PvP area similar to Borderlands (well more similar to DAOC)
Seems the guy who’s head of it is a big DAOC fan or something, Suppose to have the Equiv of Realm Ranks and Realm Abilities also.
Combat is actually kind of like DAOC in the sense you can interrupt casters fairly easy, and there is lots of Hard CC. Could end up being very interesting, Only problem is very little if any build diversity which is something I like in games.
Also Group Size is 8 (there are 4 man dungeons, but max group size is 8, which is like DAOC)
Yea same Jcbroe, I actually has Superior Rune of Speed, but I waited like a month to have them fix it, but despite them knowing about it, they never bothered fixing it in the past 2 patches so I just decided to spend the gold
I would like to get it for my Dazer set… but I’d need money, and I spend more time playing FFXIV right now then GW2.
I have a 5 second Daze on a 45 second cooldown with one of my builds…Its incredibly powerful…if it was on a 10 second cooldown, it’d be silly and probably the most overpowered thing in the game.
Yea, you can get by without them..Perplexity can still be used, along with a number of other runes, but having access to a utility slot is incredibly powerful.
I’d been using Perplexity Runes of course since the patch, and this is mainly with BM Bunker.
I decided to drop those and switch over to the Runes to pickup the much needed utility, I find them to be better then perplexity….While I like Confusion, being able to drop Signet of the Hunt and run SoR along with Lightning Reflex and Signet of the Wild is just far to valuable, I don’t lose much on speed loss on pet as I run Spiders anyway.
I kind of think my Technobabble Build would be better with he Traveler Runes also, just cause you could pickup SoR as well, or Lightning Which would help…..While Confusion is nice with the build, Its main killer has always been the ability to lock people down for killing.
If i can get some more gold I may just do it, I don’t play a whole lot anymore…so that might be a problem.
Not having World Ranks be account bound was pretty silly in the first place, the only reason I stopped leveling alts in this game was entirely due to that…. I mine as well just play my Ranger 100% of the time when I do play then my play Necro or Thief, or level my Warrior/Mesmer up….No reason to bother with it.
Ahh you’re right, thanks
Yes I know i’m logged in right now, Its saved a cookie..But I was wanting to change the PW and I bloody can’t remember it.
Even a cap raise to at least ten would still be too much? Because at the moment it sometimes feels like 5 is too small
Raising it even one would have significant performance impact because you need to think of it over an equation that causes that to multiply very quickly. Until and unless there are significant changes in the engine, which isn’t on the table, we will not be raising the cap on player skill AoE.
For future reference, if you intend to have massive scale pvp in a game, Don’t do this.
Having a small AOE cap will only lead to the current trend of Zerg Balling, it will not be fixed in this game, Thus if anyone actually prefers better PvP, I suggest looking down the road at coming games such as ESO or maybe in FFXIV’s Faction PvP
and of course, CU…Which will hopefully not have these same “mistakes”
GTA5, This thing sold 13 Million Copies in one day…. This is going to have an effect on GW2.
Final Fantasy 14, Its digital download came back the same day as well…Also will an effect.
That is why population is down.
We said a little over a month ago when the changes went through that the Warrior Meta was going to be overpowered
What did Warriors a the time say “No one is using them in TPvP, therefor they’re not overpowered”
Now look.
Doesn’t take a genius to look at a Warrior and figure out they were given to much, just like Necro’s were as well.
If you think i’m joking, Someone in this thread post a video of them losing a 1v1.
Tanky Meta’s exist because of classes like Mesmer/Thief/Warriors
If you’re anything less then Tanky, you get instant killed by those classes.
it does work on pet
Elementalist like BM Ranger followed a Rotation, and its not difficult.
But anyway, I think people are confusing things.
If you slap on a Shortbow and run around and shoot the number 1 key, Its viable in a zerg fight.. Its very easy to play, but is it effective in anything but that instance? Not really…Really no different from a Zerker Rifle Warrior.
Take a P/D thief, This actually requires just as little thought as a Shortbow Ranger…
But does anyone here think either of those classes are remotely easier to play than a Mace/Shield and Greatsword Warrior right now?
Nope..They’re about the same level of skill required, only one is a 100x more effective.
What about a Condition Necromancer, Is that a really hard class to play? not really.
D/D elementalist might have a lot of abilities to play, But again like the BM Ranger its not rocket science, Its a Rotation that you follow.
The difference between a D/D Elementalist/BM Ranger and a Shortbow Ranger is Rotation and that’s simply it.
None of them require a lot of thought.
Actually the Skullcrack War is pretty hard to play. Its simply but you have to be careful where you land. You can miss and mess up pretty easily and your enemy can see it coming as soon as they see the mace.
I trash most Mace Wars.
There is a major difference between Simple and Easy.
There is nothing remotely hard about playing a skullcrack warrior.
Only you would find it remotely challenging to play.
If Anet absolutely must introduce anti-stealth skills so that the WvW zerg-scrubs (no one in tPvP has trouble with it, stealth isn’t even viable) who cbf learning how to counter a highly counterable mechanic then I agree, this suggestion is infinitely better than a straight up reveal, even if that reveal is on a long CD and lasts a short duration.
You realize Stealth in TPvP is weaker then WvW right?
Revealed last a full second less in World vs World because Thieves were whining they were to weak.
Uhhh, yeah? That’s exactly what I said in my post. Perhaps you should re-read my post before jumping to belittle it.
Umm..did you read your post, because it seems you didn’t.
You implied no one has trouble with Stealth in TPvP, and said stealth isn’t viable…So if they must add something for WvW zerging scrubs as you put it… it should be such and such.
The reason no one has trouble in TPvP is because its weaker then World vs World…For a number of reason, but more importantly, because reveal is a bloody full second longer then World vs World.
That’s not a draw back.
Cause they’re not doing damage to you.
Esp when Stealth gives you so many benefits.
Now if Stealth didn’t let you heal/remove conditions you might have a point, Because The other person would be getting those benefits while you weren’t.
But considering most thieves can stealth at half health, and come out 4 seconds later with full health and all the conditions removed off of them, You’re not getting a drawback by stealthing.
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A. a 1300 Point Heal every few seconds is incredibly powerful. Just look at warriors, who don’t stealth, and you can see how a heal every couple seconds is powerful.
B. You have access to a Heal that removes Most of the damaging conditions off of you, You have a very good Condition Removal ability with the cleanse while in stealth as well. If you’re dying because of conditions that’s on you.
C. Cleansing Ire is incredibly powerful, But then again Warriors are over the top right now, If you want to compare your Cleaning Ability, look at Rangers. We remove 3 conditions every 10 seconds. This is a GM trait, You can remove 4 Conditions every 10 Seconds (5 if you’re really lucky) this is an Adept Trait. All it requires you to do is Stealth, which you’re doing anyway.
If you want to see how powerful Stealth is with these abilities tacked onto them, Don’t drop 30 points in Shadow Arts, and run around WvW for a bit.
A)Yes, thats 1300 over a 7 second span if you include the reveal time. 188ish HPS (assuming you stay in stealth for over 3 seconds to gain the benefit from shadow’s embrace + 1300 was based off staying in stealth the full duration) is just slightly above that of regen which is fairly easily accessible by a number of classes. The tradeoff though is that for those 4 seconds the thief can’t apply pressure to their opponent.
B) Yes, we do have a heal that removes burning, poison, and bleeding upon it’s use. That only leaves confusion and torment limiting your actions and mobility. Furthermore, using that heal, you miss out on withdraw which removes immobilize, cripple, and chill which are arguably more deadly in the short term as they are usually followed up by a burst.
C)With the same assumptions made from the first part, the thief can only remove 4 conditions every 13 seconds, assuming stealth immediately after reveal wears off. To accomplish this, again they can’t pressure their enemy in the process.
So it seems that traiting entirely into stealth brings up thieves to barely be equivalent to some of the other regeneration and cleanses that other classes have while simultaneously cutting their damage output to nothing during that duration to gain said benefits.
A. You’re aware that 188 HPS is actually very good right? To give you an idea, I get that every 3 seconds with Natural Healing on my Ranger. That’s actually better then Signet of the Wild and actual ability when i’m specced fully in Healing Power, Do you wanna know how much it heals in stealth with 1k Healing Power? Its a little over 400 a second. I don’t think you quite understand how powerful that Talent is in comparison to other talents of equal cost.
B. So you have a choice between removing damaging Conditions, and letting your removal take care of non damaging conditions (and really Confusion and torment, Confusion is a problem if you’re an idiot, and Torment isn’t a problem at all) or Taking care of your non damaging conditions and letting the stealth take care the damaging ones. So you’re not screwed over in anyway.
C. You stealth, you remove 2 Conditions, That’s 3 seconds, you come out, in 3 more seconds you can stealth again (4 if SPvP) and instantly remove the 3rd condition, and wait 3 more seconds to remove the 4th Condition, you can do that in 9 seconds….4 conditions every 10 seconds isn’t not bad for a passive, Its slightly better then Empathetic bond that a Ranger has, which doesn’t actually remove the conditions, but transfers them to our pet which can actually hurt rangers damage (if its a snare/root/chill for example, that’s a damage reduction for the ranger as the pet won’t hit) This is of course completely ignoring the condition removals you get from your heal. Which is comparable to probably Healing Spring on the Ranger…Though HS is group oriented and we can’t pick what conditions it removes.
If you want to see how powerful Stealth is with these abilities tacked onto them, Don’t drop 30 points in Shadow Arts, and run around WvW for a bit.
I don’t run any points in SA…. I kill faster so fights end sooner so I don’t notice the loss of those “powerful” abilities. Trait out stealth and get lower damage or have less sustain but more damage… almost sounds balanced huh?
I like how the ranger trolls came out of the woodwork. I’m surprised I can even read these posts with all the petting zoos running around. We need a dev that actually plays thief, because it is clear that people who don’t main it really don’t know enough to be commenting about the profession.
You’re aware I have a thief right?
Poorly played p/d doesn’t count imo.
I’ve not played P/D in sometime, S/D and D/P is where its at.
That’s not a draw back.
Cause they’re not doing damage to you.
Esp when Stealth gives you so many benefits.
Now if Stealth didn’t let you heal/remove conditions you might have a point, Because The other person would be getting those benefits while you weren’t.
But considering most thieves can stealth at half health, and come out 4 seconds later with full health and all the conditions removed off of them, You’re not getting a drawback by stealthing.
How do thieves get to full health 4 seconds later? The heal in stealth is only about 330 HPS meaning about 1300 or so health by the end of that. If you have more than 1 damaging condition on you (very likely against engis and necros) all you’re effectively doing is canceling one out until it might get removed at the end of 3 seconds. Other professions have both better passive and active condi removal. Lets take cleansing ire on the warrior for example (comparable since its in their toughness line also); cleansing ire rewards the warrior for being more aggressive instead of backing off, resulting in 3 conditions removed every 7 3/4 seconds while encouraging them to attack for the condition clear. It’s the equivalent to us getting the benefits of ‘while in stealth’ to ‘upon revealed’ instead. That would cause you to benefit from keeping up pressure rather than having to drop pressure 50% or so of the time to gain a noticeable benefit from traiting into stealth.
A. a 1300 Point Heal every few seconds is incredibly powerful. Just look at warriors, who don’t stealth, and you can see how a heal every couple seconds is powerful.
B. You have access to a Heal that removes Most of the damaging conditions off of you, You have a very good Condition Removal ability with the cleanse while in stealth as well. If you’re dying because of conditions that’s on you.
C. Cleansing Ire is incredibly powerful, But then again Warriors are over the top right now, If you want to compare your Cleaning Ability, look at Rangers. We remove 3 conditions every 10 seconds. This is a GM trait, You can remove 4 Conditions every 10 Seconds (5 if you’re really lucky) this is an Adept Trait. All it requires you to do is Stealth, which you’re doing anyway.
If you want to see how powerful Stealth is with these abilities tacked onto them, Don’t drop 30 points in Shadow Arts, and run around WvW for a bit.
So let me understand you correctly, your position is that thieves are notably weaker than warriors, so we should nerf thieves more?
My position is just because the warrior is powerful right now, Doesn’t mean you’re not equally broken.
Everyone is noticeably weaker than Warriors Right now. Warriors also need a nerf because of this.
But that doesn’t mean you’re not broken as well in some ways. Stealth Needs Counters, Viable Counters….
If you want to see how powerful Stealth is with these abilities tacked onto them, Don’t drop 30 points in Shadow Arts, and run around WvW for a bit.
I don’t run any points in SA…. I kill faster so fights end sooner so I don’t notice the loss of those “powerful” abilities. Trait out stealth and get lower damage or have less sustain but more damage… almost sounds balanced huh?
I like how the ranger trolls came out of the woodwork. I’m surprised I can even read these posts with all the petting zoos running around. We need a dev that actually plays thief, because it is clear that people who don’t main it really don’t know enough to be commenting about the profession.
You’re aware I have a thief right?
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