Guild Wars 2

Not terrible suggestions, well in comparison to that other thread “Comprehensive dream balance patch” and many other mindless posts this one isn’t as terrible.

Mooncow.6847:

XxsdgxX.8109:

Completely obliterated Revenant from being viable, nice! Bravo

Not biased at all

I’m not, I play more revenant than any other class. It needs to be toned down

I play “Insert class” alot so I get to know the absolute truth!

Cause that very argument isn’t used the whole time.

Completely obliterated Revenant from being viable, nice! Bravo

Not biased at all

Varezenem.2813:

Burtnik.5218:

I think rev forum is dead (like what.. 3 regular posters? lol) as for in game ~2 weeks ago before i completely stopped logging in i could count revs in wvw on one hand in zergs, there wasnt many revs in HoT zones either and spvp.. i would place them at 5th spot in population.

Overall yes, just like our forum rev seems to be dead. Im not surprised tho, how long you can really run the same weapons and utility skills while being bugged as kitten at same time?

Would be 4 if I wasn’t busy in RL ;p. I’m not seeing as many revenanta when I play too.

Haha and would be 5 for the same thing here, too bussy. At least for PvP it’s because there are much better classes for solo play, and easier to use than Revs.
For PvE, well it’s probably because the only viable build or the one people want in their groups is the boon bot that Glint is, since the dps got hit quite bad. Wasting energy to make up for that is not an option with this class.

Nice Leeto!!! Respects to you

See this is what people should be doing, keep playing and getting better instead of coming here to cry about everything that they don’t understand or play to be Overpowered. Always blaming ANET.

Wut, if anything it’s all the other way around. And WvW to be the most chill of all.

Lol what a joke

edtanks.3852:

Hammer rev doesnt work well in spvp?

It’s the definition of garbage at its finest. It will only ever kill AFK players and really terrible ones.

Lol OP is serious?

dominik.9721:

Question, does the rev need a nerf if warrior, thief and DH are not in the game? If we completely got rid of those 3 classes does rev need a nerf?

Yes if we would remove warrior, dh and thief , revenant would be still op.
Rev would still dominate the dmg-bruiser-role completly
Rev would still have laughable broken skills and traits
Rev would still hit too hard as a damage class
Rev would still be too versatile with an offensive amulet

#make other dmg-classes great again # vote rev nerf

After reading that last post…

Uh yeah just what I guessed, OP was and is still basically just crying for mindless nerfs. “Gawd Rev just killed me on my fav class, most be OP so plz nerf! There’s no way it was my fault cause I’m a top world player, so don’t ever tell me to git gud!” Just like 90% of the people who just come here to complain.

And not only that, but whenever someone mentions the option of nerfing EVERYTHING at the same time there’s still some people who keep basically hating on just Rev, same thing on threads for different classes.

Biased much

EDIT:

This person gets it!, thank god there’s still some people with sense here.

Malchior.5732:

Ok, guys and gals.
The Herald does need some nerfs and changes. However, we can say the same for most of the elite specs. Druid, Tempest, Scrapper, and even Dragonhunter all need some nerfs and changes in some way. Some more than others. Stop ignoring that fact.

The Herald is also NOT the main culprit for certain classes being left out. It is a symptom, not the cause. Thief and Warrior simply CANNOT stay in these chaotic, post-HoT team fights to deliver their damage (at least not easily) while the Herald is pretty much designed for it (Auramancer healing helps a ton too). Thief and Warrior both have advantages over the Herald, but those advantages simply don’t matter much in Conquest right now. Dragonhunter mostly relies on gimmicky damage and their job gets MUCH more difficult as soon as a Tempest joins the fight (notice how it’s not the Herald’s fault?).
It’s not the Herald that’s pushing them out; it’s the environment created by the other elite specs in unison that is pushing them out.

Decimus.1829:

I don’t get it… I’ve played about 2500 matches, and I feel way more effective on current Mesmer, Ele, and Ranger in the current state of pvp. Perhaps I need more practice on Rev, but I can count at least 3 or 4 other classes that should potentially be nerfed before Rev.

They are just trying to divert the attention from their favorite classes.

Even inside PvP, people who go and soloQ (which includes most of the PvP population) will find of much better use classes and builds that can roam and 1v1 efficiently. Whatever is run on tournaments will be very different to the daily average PvP that goes.

Are you seeing 2 Revs and ele combos on each game(like in tournaments lol)? Nah not even 10% of the games go like that. No wonder PvP is overpopulated with Reapers and after them other good roaming classes that dont need team play as much, even DHs are very popular for PvP lol

Also PvP isn’t the only thing being played in GW2, stop being so selfish trying to screw over people at PvE and WvW, which I’m sure are the majority of the population. Also balancing around only 1 game type… you realize guys that if you only tweak around that you potentially harm builds meant for other purposes?

Then people cry about ANET not listening to the kitten posted here in the forums, thank god you are not working for them. And as always one out of 100 posts is actual constructive criticism, calling for nerfs to everything you dont like is not far away from being kittenposting.

LucianDK.8615:

Staff is a far bit more entertaining to use, yes. Classic sword is so boring. But I figure they didnt want to take steam away from the daredevil, hence why they have repeatedly nerfed the staff.

Makes sense I guess but either way I still main staff, way more fun.

Spicy.2481:

Frank.3791:

So, i see many ppl complaining rev is too easy to play
…..from my experience it really isnt that easy, as im downed by condis within seconds from lack of condi removal, and rev heals are total garbo. Unrelentimg assault tends to miss almost every single hit from like 2 dodges lol. So, whats ur opinion? Challenging or easy?

Probably easy to burst ppl down at really low skill, but to master the class and be truly effective to its full potential I would say one of the hardest classes in the game. I play necro, engi and revenant in pvp, and I would say that revenant is the hardest to really play well with, granted I main necro and the current meta scrapper is just kitten durable so you can make few mistakes and still survive heavy focus.

Couldn’t have said it better. Only difference with me is that I havent played engi/scrapper. But I can say that fighting a decent player using a scrapper is very challenging.

Good players on thieves have always been good, but since most players are actually bad easiest thing to do is to come here and complain.

The OP pretty much nailed it, most of the responses after that calling for 123 nerfs are the same crying as always, for years people have been calling the current patch as the worse ever. Like seriously… coincidence?

Azukas.1426:

Sourde Noire.5286:

Azukas.1426:

It’s been proven by the 20 players in the finals.

I asked for everyone to come up with suggestions as come to a consensus as a group. So being vague is actually setting up the discussion

Which brings me to my point of ‘what exactly is your argument other than ’rev was stacked, needs nerf’ ‘? You said I should reread and tell you, I did. So it’s your turn.

And if everybody else is disagreeing with you, maybe your vague points can’t set up a discussion because your premise is garbage (evident by your own lack of arguments).

Rev is currently locking out 3 to 5 classes out of the meta.

They do too much at one time. That’s the problem. You can’t deny this either.

You can call it garbage but you tend to make yourself look bad by doing so.

Still repeating the same thing like a broken disc.

And about tournaments, have you even considered that Revenants have a higher skill ceiling than other classes? And that they reward team play? And that tournaments are 100% teamplay? Those are some of the reasons people are playing Reapers and even DHs way more than Revenants, they are still viable for roaming but there are way better and easier options around.

Same with elementalists, they synergize really well in actual organized team fights (tournaments) and are best when put together with Revenants. But for solo play, roaming, they are not the best choice.

Azukas.1426:

The one to Rule.2593:

Azukas.1426:

The one to Rule.2593:

Azukas.1426:

draxynnic.3719:

At that level, builds are constructed on the team level, rather than the individual level. A thief-mesmer swap is fairly simple, since non-bunker mesmers and thieves play much the same role for the team: use mobility and escapes to control points, avoid unfavourable matchups, and +1 favourable ones. Swapping out two revenants would result in major structural changes to the team – the builds and professions of the other players are probably fine-tuned to the assumption that there are two revenants present, and the tactics will also be based on that assumption. Undoing all the experience they’ve gathered playing with that mix for the finals is a gamble that may cost them more than the nerfs that have already been made to revenant.

Outside of that team environment, revenants are suffering pretty badly. Since the major balance patch, I think I’ve had two sPvP games where a revenant played a significant role – mostly, in my experience, they’re doing well not to be food. Reapers are basically a hard counter to an unsupported revenant, there’s a bug on sword which makes it do even less damage than it should (Arenanet is aware of it, but either didn’t prioritise it or didn’t succeed in fixing it before the new season started) and in a typical sPvP soloqueue game, a revenant is much more likely to end up having to fight without support… which it really isn’t well equipped to do.

The proof in the pudding will be what happens in this season. If we’re still seeing revs being common in winning teams, then maybe there is an issue there – although in this case it might be an issue of being strong for top players and weak for most players, which is more complex to balance, and it might also be an issue that it’s not that revs are strong but that other builds that can bring similar things to the table are too weak and need to be buffed. Proper balance is a lot more complicated than “It’s being used a lot in high-level play, NERF!”

(Personally, I’m probably not going to be playing revenant to a significant degree until the next balance patch. I’ll probably be playing guardian and necro more often than not – necro isn’t generally one of my preferred professions, but it’s so overbuffed at the moment, and rev and mes so underpowered (at least in the environment that I play in…) that I’m doing a lot better with the necro.)

The one to Rule.2593:

wut? revs get shrekt by condi with their no condi cleanse, no nerf is needed in this condi meta.

Not to mention that the meta has become even more stun-happy with warriors coming back into play… primarily with hammers.

Last finals had 2 revs a team

That warrants a nerfing by all regards.

As for using the past to justify keeping a class obsolete….please. Thieves haven’t been close to OP since the 1st year of release and the short S/D stint. Even the s/d stint only had them OP vs mesmer

You must realize how bad this logic is right? because it’s used in finals by pro players doesn’t mean the class is OP infact it’s not. no condi cleanse whatsoever, mediocre heals all you have to do is not hit them when they pop it and a few evades. ALL they have going for them is teamwide boonsupport which are easily corrupted and used against them by reapers which are the far superior class in pvp right now.

It was the only class that got stacked in the finals.

The class needs a nerf and yes I do play rev.

way to ignore the actual point of the post and parrot the same thing you’ve been saying over and over because you won’t acknowledge your own logical fallacies.

Rev is over performing as evidenced by being the only class in pro league finals that was stacked. In fact since HoT releare rev has been stacked. That should sound off an alarm that it’s over performing. This is a fact and can not be disputed.

We had 3 classes that got zero representation in the finals. This isn’t good game design especially when a class is taking 2 slots on each team.

Look I get many of you don’t want to hear the truth but game balance trumps your desire to keep your over tuned toy. It’s time to look at the entire picture and not get blinded by personal bias

So pretty much your posts

LucianDK.8615:

staff 5 could definitely use an adjustment to be easier to use. But I speculate the issue is that you always rush a specific distance when using it.

yes, I dont know why we still have a selfroot on shield 5, they gave the reason that the heal was ‘strong’ for why we had the root. Then what do they go and do? nerfing the heal and still retaining the root.

Yep, that’s why offhand sword is actually better atm than trash shield but int that case you might as well just go for axe.

Sourde Noire.5286:

Azukas.1426:

It was the only class that got stacked in the finals.

The class needs a nerf and yes I do play rev.

How many more posts will you make that completely ignore everything everybody is saying, while parroting ‘Rev needs NURF’ and offering exactly 0 constructive feedback as to how that would happen yourself?

It’s pretty much mindless hating.

Karl…

One of the reasons I stopped playing guard as main was because of how badly it was being managed by Karl… ._.

Yep, pure irrational hatred.

Themistokles.1238:

Just Great Vid man. Im so bored of all people screaming Rev is op. A good played Rev is strong. Against some classes extrem Strong. But the Damage and the skills that do the damage can all be countered. Its just that people cry for nerfs without asking a single time how they can counter a skill.

New things like classes/weapons in any online game ALWAYS get hate and mostly, because it’s obvious, from bad players who won’t even try to learn new things.

And I guess that it’s because everyone of them most think they are the top world players who can’t possibly ever loose “Why should I have to figure out how to beat this new class? I’m so good that I should just win by autoattacking it!”, cant reason with that kind of people.

And revert the previous damage nerfs? Revenant is already at best top 4 or 5 at single target dps and considerably worse when multiple targets are together.

Homing skill? Ahaha good one bruh

Projectile speed is the same as always, cant land kitten unless you are at point blank. Low cd? That’s why it uses energy genius, which actually terribly limits Revenant gameplay choices at the moment. Cooldowns with energy costs at the same time… bravo

Loop.8106:

Burtnik.5218:

Loop.8106:

Burtnik.5218:

Jekkt.6045:

it doesn’t need a rework. change it to each projectile that hits the same target deals 20% less damage. 100%, 80% and 60% if you hit one player with 3, 3x 100% if it’s 3 different players.

It does. Just like sword 3. Losing damage in groupfights is not fun, ya know? Imagine your skills dealing 66% less damage to some guy just bc his teammates shows up.

Zintrothen.1056:

reduce Herald sustain

Herald sustain is nothing special at all compared to scrapper. If you feed herald and heal them to full hp then its l2p issue on your part.

Can you please stop defending revs in every thread? They are ridicolously overtuned and needs nerfing. If not the dmg, nerf the mobility or vise versa. They are just too versitile at the moment.

“Double stab on dodge has to go”

“Stop defending revenant”

Forum logic. Okay, im outta here before i catch something.. i bet warrior is op as well

No, Warriors are kitten. The fact that you don’t find Revenants vastly overtuned is just mind-blowing.

Please just stop dude

Such a constructive post!

Didn’t think this place could get any more cancerous, wow I’m amazed with you people.

Yeah havent really played for like 3 months already, only once in a while each 2 weeks. Used to love my Rev before it started getting butchered by nerfs so this new nerfs will be the perfect reason to just stop playing for good 6+ months.

Burtnik.5218:

LucianDK.8615:

Yep, you folks are deluding yourselves if you think we will get a free buff without further nerfs.

Well the point of these changes was to move damage away from auto and ua and give it to precision strike. Since then rev dps dropped hard. So technically speaking its not free buff, but a fix. Damage was supposed to be moved around, not toned down to kitten 19k dps.

And also people are already replacing Revs with other classes that provide way more DPS.
Rev-less raids are totally doable.

This games including HoT is still a Zerk and Sinister meta clusterkitten. Seriously, I dropped my celestial and knight gear about 6 months ago after playing for 2 years and it made the game so much easier.

kittening nailed it in the video. Who needs to think when you can faceroll on condis 24/7

Rofl wow… works 25% of the time, far from being strong.

Fade to Black.7042:

Sourde Noire.5286:

DeoDose.4237:

sword #2 guarantees 3 projectiles whitch is a big dps gain, even with the sword #1 nerf

Sword 2 is at best a minor DPS gain because of the cast time and aftercast, and only if there’s literally nothing else around, which is hardly ever the case (on top of the skill targeting foliage and hidden structures outside of the map), which means a majority of the time you actually lose damage compared to Sword auto but also have to pay Energy to use it.

It’s an awful skill and the decision to ‘buff’ its damage was questionable at best. They nerfed Sword damage altogether (despite saying they want to move the damage from Sword 1 to 2 and 3). Sword 1 got a nerf of 10-20% depending on the skill in the chain, Sword 3 got a damage nerf of 23% (5/7 of the original hits with every hit now doing 10% more damage to ‘compensate’) and Sword 2 is now slightly better damage than Sword 1 if all projectiles hit.

Yeah, nah.

Don’t waste your time, these players saying sword #2 was a buff and rev was about hitting facets and AA are just PvE’rs and trolls.

Pretty much this.

Xae Isareth.1364:

^yeah why don’t we make an update where as soon as two players hit each other, you both get teleported to a private 1 on 1 match?

Lmao I know right? This people….

vana.5467:

Malchior.5732:

Because most hard-hitting skills already do ~8k (and apparently that’s too high). In fact, I rarely hit over that in WvW with Rev Hammer, let alone PvP.

They do indeed. And that’s a very recent trend. How often did you see 8K ranged hits from anything other than Lich Form pre-HoT? What about 8 months ago (before the June update)?
That is the development I’m arguing against, and I am definitely not alone in being thoroughly turned off by the current damage going around.

After reading your post history… yeah you are all into destroying Revenants. Not caring for the other parts of the game. Lol hammer in PvP/PvE……..

Malchior.5732:

The problem is that everything works fine in open world PvE. It’s not convincing if you or someone says that something is strong enough there.

Hammer is CLEARLY struggling in instanced content and PvP, both modes that require more fine-tuning than open world PvE or WvW.

Exactly, everything is viable in PvE.

Regon Phoenix.8215:

Had some valid points but then I noticed you are very hateful towards Revs. " The strongest class currently in the game" Nice joke

Same thing with OP, after reading all his “p2w” complaints I can see that it is pretty much mindless hating since it’s the new class from a paid expansion.

Malchior.5732:

So you want people to NOT complain about poor decisions on Anet’s part?
Their balancing history is no excuse to send out such bad changes. I will complain, people will complain. Does that mean I won’t adapt? Of course not. That still doesn’t excuse such bad practices and as a customer, I WILL complain.

Oh those look rather interesting, well done!

Kalarchis.8635:

XxsdgxX.8109:

And hammer is not even viable in PvP, barely in PvE.

Malchior.5732:

Hammer 3-5 are pretty mediocre, so yea, I think it should get buffed somewhat because all hammer had was CoR spam.

Are we playing the same game?

3 is not only a blast finisher with AoE chill but also an evade. And it’s ground targeted at 1200 range, with good damage besides.

4 is one of the best skills in the game. A mobile dark field that destroys projectiles and turns all my AAs into lifesteal? And makes some of the more obnoxious areas and enemies a joke, esp. when timed properly with skills 3 and 5? Yes please!

5 is another blast finisher, also ground targeted at 1200 range, and also an AoE knockdown with good damage.

This weapon is amazing, and it’s amazing in PvE. It needs zero buff. Everyone was used to the overpowered damage on CoR and just needs time to adjust to the change. It’s like when you come off the highway and going 45mph feels really slow for a few miles b/c you got used to going 80.

Yeah are we? Are you not using your facets to support your team? Or instead using that energy for sword Precision Strike + Impossible Odds/More Facets?
Yep, Raider build right here with Hammer skills. And if you also meant that from a PvP point of view then I can’t take any of what you say serious. lolhammerpvp

Burtnik.5218:

Very well done review, nice but you should also post it here whenever you can. I hope that at least something gets read by them.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/January-26th-Update-Your-feedback/page/8#post5958219

EDIT: Oh nvm you have already done it.
Thanks!

Burtnik.5218:

Infusion.7149:

Have you see the damage with Cruel Repercussions +150 ferocity from Assassin’s Presence , Roiling Mists , among other damage modifiers?

I feel as though the Hammer Bolt damage could be toned down slightly actually ( ~ 5-10%).

You wot m8? Not with current 1sec casttime by any kitten means. Rev already lost ranged weapon.

And hammer is not even viable in PvP, barely in PvE.

Warlord.9074:

Bad example of a counter. When the only way for most class to poison is on swap and using a sigil. How do you apply poisen with a sigil that requires you to hit, obviously if it is a block you are not landing a hit. Terrible argument and not at all well thought out.

No actual competitive player using Rev went for Soothing instead of Enhance Bulwark. It’s a no brainer choice.

Permanent protection? Yep, this guy has no idea how Rev works.

Whoever first lands his/her rotation before the other is hardly any more skillful than S1.
Probably the same people who think that SWAT and Team Snipers in Halo is competitive lol, same with CoD.

unbrokenlegend.1278:

The nerfs to Rev I’m fine with, but the biggest issue is that they didn’t just nerf Rev, they buffed the class that was our greatest counter (Necro) to be even more of a counter. Do one or the other, why both? My only issue with the current Rev is the lack of condi removal. One of the few ways we have to counter condi’s is a boon that is even easier to corrupt now. Condi Rev are in a worse spot now because they have worry about condi’s being sent back as well as all of the boon corrupts that were added.

And the only counter, Infused light, was nerfed once again…………….

Even offhand sword is now better than shield, block while moving is by far much better specially in this game where everything is about mobility.

obal.3218:

I looked into staff before it’s not that great.

And you are right, but the sword and shield combo isnt great either anymore. Not with this terrible energy system.

Rome.7124:

insanemaniac.2456:

Aomine.5012:

Samnang.1879:

“it is a very hard profession to master”

Is this sarcasm???

Just saying, people who think Rev is just 111 either are noob revenant or never played revenant before.

A good rev can do so much more, and need to swap legend more to utilize it.
After the sword nerf, the energy management is more crucial now since you need to use sword 2 to maximize your dps too.

My old rotation can even maintain permanent protection (on top of fury might swiftness regen), constant pressure, long lasting quickness (or summon hammer combo)

Tbh I find that I click way more bottoms when I play rev whereas many classes just slowly use their long cd skills on cd.

the thing is… you could get 80-90% of your efficiency by just pushing 1 and afking instead.

if that’s the reason, why buff thief? There’s plenty video on reddit with thief spamming same auto attack and achieve higher DMG than rev now, and that’s ok?

I know right?
Double standards at its finest.