Guild Wars 2

Spartacus.3192:

hmmmm

Dh spamming traps or Condi Evade thief spamming 3 and dodges.

Seems the same level of brain dead to me. Just DH has more success with its brain deadness. Doesn’t mean thief is necessarily more skilled.

That BS makes Mallyx Revenants cry because of their buggy Mace they instead have.

Zintrothen.1056:

Staff 5 damage nerf was absolutely the right move on that skill. It was obviously meant to be a skillful CC and evade while providing some damage, but the damage was overtuned. Though part of the high damage came from OP traits.

The AA should be kitten. It’s an AA. AA’s should always be kittenty filler attacks. They cost nothing, so they should do almost nothing. The best buff Staff can get is a buff to skill 2. That skill is definitely “slow and undependable”, no doubt about it there. It costs energy and has a CD, so it should do something decent.

They shouldn’t do anymore damage nerfs to skills anymore. What should be nerfed is their ability to maintain nearly 100% crit chance, be able to spec for 560+ ferocity and still be survivable because of all their evades/blocks. That’s what made them OP. SotM still needed a nerf, but if they nerfed some damage related traits, I wouldn’t be against buffing SotM back up another 25%. So, my summary of what I think should be done:

- Buff Staff 2 to be more reliable and useful.
- Buff Staff 5 up 25%.
- Replace fury increasing GM trait with something not impacting crit chance. Perhaps increased ferocity while having fury.
- Replace trait giving 7% damage boost with fury.
- Reduce block duration slightly on Shield 5, but keep healing amount the same. This’ll reduce sustain but also make Rev faster. It’s what happened after the nerf to Shield 4 on Chronomancer. The skill reduced sustain but made the profession faster.
- Slightly nerf life leeching GM in Devastation.
- Actually make Salvation useful so maybe Revs can spec into that for some defence. Then maybe you can make real nerfs to all their evades without demolishing the profession.

Yeah terrible ideas, stop nerfing even more power builds and fix the underperforming ones. “Guys there are still 5 people playing Rev, we clearly need more nerfs so just 1 or 2 are able to be competitive with it.”

Or maybe if they now actually nerfed the rest of the classes as well cough* Warrior not being touched last patch, the rest are still overtuned in comparison to current Rev.

If we analyze how strong they are vs how easy they are to pick up and master then yes, they are too good. Kinda the same thing with DH, easy classes to master, very forgivable but still really powerful.

The already extinct Mallyx Rev build will be literally nothing if you do that. You have to tune warrior independently. Conditions are already over the top if you are not running a warrior.

And they are not nerfing conditions anytime soon, unless they only tweak those selected few builds that bomb and kill in just seconds from the clusterkitten of conditions.

anduriell.6280:

you should learn to play thief before dropping this here. Really.

Thief has an absurd amount of active defensiveness ( perma-stealth, almost unlimited evades and teleports around the map at will plus blocks with the DD) plus the highest single target burst in game,

If any Thief should be looked upon as his actual status because is ridiculously rewarding for just spaming dagger\sword. This is class is not the 1 used in pvp right now(only the 3 after dh and ele) simply because DH and Ele are easier to use for their many passives.

If Anet make those classes to have a higher skill floor to be good with we should see pvp plaged with thieves.

Pretty sad to see people defending such brainless easy kills builds. No wonder why ANET can’t ever come close to balance when the feedback is full of biased "facts"and double standards.

And speaking of biased bs, lol with people saying that Warrior and Rev can hit for 15k-20k on Heavy Armor with 3k+ armor, what I kittening lie Jesus Christ. Or is this while having 6k+ power?

Don’t mind Azukas much, been here in the Revenant subforums for a while already as the president of the official “Revenant hate” club.

And keeps repeating like a scratched disk that Revenant was/is an easy class, kittening loled.

Alot of people seem to dislike that but I really love it and such an amazing track they chose.

Xca.9721:

Pyriall.1683:

Learn to make builds and test things on your own. There’s a very good hybrid build available that uses Mallyx and Glint. Stop being lemmings.

why would i play condi rev when condi warrior is 10 x better?

This

And this applies to pretty much everything else.

Why play classes with high skill ceilings when you can play much easier classes and be as good or even better in the end. It’s something that ANET doesn’t kittening get and one of the reasons this game will never have a popular PvP.

Burtnik.5218:

XxsdgxX.8109:

That’s why I always said that taking that trait was suicide. Lol the garbage got nerfed at some point anyway.

It was a good trait before the nerf. 4k hp on 20cd? Not bad at all. Now its trash, just like shield itself anyway.

True I forgot about the nice heal it had.

That’s why I always said that taking that trait was suicide. Lol the garbage got nerfed at some point anyway.

Really sad to say this but I really believe that PvP balance here might be even worse than in Destiny. The not so bad thing is that Gw2 has a great game other than PvP, Destiny is the total opposite even though its PvP is also a mess but not really worse than GW2’s PvP.

kittening joke, lol and I was really considering S5 after I stopped playing for several months. I’m kittening done.

Wow so you accept that Revs are indeed hard to master but yet you butcher them with massive damage nerfs… 33% – 50% damage reductions is kittening huge what the kitten… and once again higher CDs while having energy costs as well……………….

A whole kittening second on regen from Facet of Light is the “compensation”? Even though the upkeep was raised making it actually a huge nerf… same with Stability Road on Jallis. kittening flawless job guys.

who even wastes a perk on that?

ANET plz have every class use the same skills, weapons and amulets.

Wow pretty nice, keep them coming!

Ragion.2831:

Finally, someone else using sword off hand. Since the patch that killed shield people have refused to look past the weapon and it boggles my mind. The block cd is half of what shield is, you can move and theres cc.

Nice vid

This

And great video OP!

Shield is also garbage in PvP, I wonder when will people finally realize that.

The thing is that if you keep saying that the nerfs were nothing then the devs won’t feel as bad in considering and applying even worse nerfs.

No wonder people only auto attack, GG people.

As long as ANET keeps GLOBALLY balancing classes around PvP (messing with PvE and WvW) players will keep hating on the Esport scene.
Remember that the PvP population is by far the smallest one compared to PvE and WvW.

Rofl this place is unreal, again crying about DHs like in launch.

Definitely a nerf. And with way more annoying bugs now!

Wow, I thought it was only me. Yeah it keeps happening once in a while that my Facet gets wasted because of that… really annoying. It started happening just after this kitten patch, to me revenant is in an even worse state right now.

OP is a kittening joking right? Right?

Idk dude, some of the suggestions were nice but I totally disagree with the complaints on Glint.

I know right? Reminds me of the mindless MM CoD has.

kittening seriously? Not fix yet?

WvW with PvE is perfectly fine, it’s open map play. Not the little cage and zone camping that is PvP.

This supposed “fix” to taking the correct damage values from your weapon made everything actually worse, this bug and the overall damage from the two skills seems kittentier now.

Most used words in these subforums? Power Creep.

Like a scratched disk.

EphemeralWallaby.7643:

Read the patch notes for your answers.

And, just because utility infusions are useless to you, that doesn’t mean they’re useless to others.

~EW

Still useless for alot of people.

Truth bomb article, this toxic plague of nerfs has been ruining games for a while already.

What a kittening joke

So much for the PvE&WvW/PvP Split

Yeah well I actually like it…

Ellie.5913:

Crimson Shi.5047:

What some people have already said, and partly the reason why for the most part I had moved on from gw2. This whole community is a buncha of whiney, hand holding bunche of whiners I have ever seen. What’s worse is the developers will listen to everything the town cryers say. As again people have mentioned, none of you all will be satisfied until EVERYTHING is nerfed into the ground. People complain of the lack of build diversity yet don’t understand that it was their or their own peers constant belly aching that has made the pvp scene what it is today. Anet’s desire to please everyone. Honestly alot of things before all this nonsensical kitten could have been left alone. Yet Anet wants to please everyone, but in the pleasing lose people anyway who weren’t even complaining about alot of things to begin with. And it will continue until PVP is nerfed into the ground.

Couldn’t have said it better. What this game needs is dev’s who know how to make a game and not listen to whiners that just gets a game destroyed. It was a million times better in the beginning than it is now, never close to as fun as gw1 pvp for various reasons, but a WHOLE lot better than it is currently.

So much this, no doubt that this game has been getting worse as time passes thanks to the people complaining and asking for nerfs to everything since always.

And because nothing will actually be done but nerfs exclusively to Revs I’m done with this game, what a shame cause I actually really enjoyed the other aspects of the game (Yes there are more sides of the game aside from PvP). It started getting really depressing lately that with each patch Revenant has been getting nothing but nerfs, no single compensations to the rest of the class that is actually really Underpowered, no a single fix to the multiple bugs they have. Maybe if the nerfs were across all classes it would be different but nah, hate bandwagon is a real thing.

All just to cater to the cancerous pvp players (most of them are but there are exceptions obviously), and it’s really funny cause they don’t even realize that they were the same ones that destroyed DH and still complain about ANET nerfing them. Same things happened with warriors and rangers in fact in the past, actually even many other things.

History repeats itself and will continue to.

bLind.6278:

XxsdgxX.8109:

Darknicrofia.2604:

EpicTurtle.8571:

Thanks for ruining it for the rest of the community, y’know all the other players that play PvE or WvW. Congratulations on your great “victory”

who the kitten even uses surge of the mists in wvw, or uses it in pve for anything other than smashing a boss break bar?

Alot of players actually

For PvE it was also a nice addition to the already bad DPS Revenants have
For WvW since Hammer is a must, and the only ranged option, staff was actually a great alternative to Sword/offAxe and offSword (Sword/Shield is complete suicide with that root)

So 100% of your weapon options aren’t viable in WvW/PvE anymore? That’s a shame. As a warrior, I’ll continue with my nearly 4 straight years of playing Greatsword in PvE and hammer in WvW.

Wow, nice mentality there.

Darknicrofia.2604:

EpicTurtle.8571:

Thanks for ruining it for the rest of the community, y’know all the other players that play PvE or WvW. Congratulations on your great “victory”

who the kitten even uses surge of the mists in wvw, or uses it in pve for anything other than smashing a boss break bar?

Alot of players actually

For PvE it was also a nice addition to the already bad DPS Revenants have
For WvW since Hammer is a must, and the only ranged option, staff is actually a great alternative to Sword/offAxe and offSword (Sword/Shield is complete suicide with that root)

Cyanon.1928:

You guys are never happy….

Mesmer changes were needed as well as Revenant.

You want ANET to KILL the viability of the classes that you dont play…. You dont know anything about balance because your opinions are always biased towards your pref. classes.

The changes were good in combination with the previous changes. Whether you like it or not.

Yep

And funny because I don’t even come here to ever complain about nerfs, including after HoT launched and I still played DH, Warrior.

Cause even though Chronos, Scrappers, Reapers seemed too strong to me
(Barely ever saw Heralds to even dare to say the same thing) I never found it smart to just come here and cry for nerfs, my own player skill takes no benefits from that.

Like it’s really funny that Moa was never a real issue before but since it’s what provokes crying the most atm… there you go. Same with DH, was an excellent noob stomper and see now? Still getting nerfs even though it was never played at top tier level.

Yep, agreed

Flumek.9043:

XxsdgxX.8109:

“Rev is still being played! I want those kittens that gave ANET money for their expansion to never touch Revenants again, it must get nerfed enough to be unplayable!”

This is basically all of you who keep saying that Rev has been getting nothing for nerfs, when practically almost every patch, although not across every single skill, they have been getting drastic nerfs one skill at a time. This is the second time Surge of the Mists has been nerfed, if you didn’t know then it’s clear how little you actually care about being fair. And you pretty much don’t even play Revenant, the only way to land all the damage from a skill you have no control over once you cast it is actually very situational, like being AFK next to a wall.

You well know deep inside you that you want Revenant completely out of radar, like being played 1 for each 20 players.

The DPS is already really bad for Raids and Revenant is only usable in WvW for Hammer 2, what a kittening disgusting community.

Its so low quality it looks like a troll post but ill comment on it once.

1) PVP is central balance. Non elitist, just fact. And in PVP, rev is seen with disgust by the whole top community. It is just that much better. tldr for average joe – its a warrior with guard sustain and thief mobilty.
So were discussin PVP balance, on PVP forums. Were keeping PVE/w3 balance in mind when making smart suggestions and you can do same.

2) A bit similiar to above, but pay2win is not this games model. As such brokenant still has a lot of nerfs it can receive before its even upper mid-tier, so dont worry.

3) Most nerfs rev got were trivial, so far that many have lost trust in ANets sense of direction.
Precision strike from 4s to 5s – in a month of work and complaints is a clear example, and todays staff#5 “nerf” is the same trivial ignorance.

4) I do know the rev but say ty to ANet for not having any meaningful way for us to measure our kitten or mmr or etc.
So ill just leave you with a story of team taking a worthless necro on their team, just for the ability to strip stability avery 40s.
If rev staff #5 – did 0 damage – the evade + leap + multi stab rip + zero counterplay from animation + 20s CD = would still make this a great skill on on pro levels.

Have fun on your brokenant till next trivial nerf in 3 months.

Gets called a troll then proceeds to post that thing. Uhhh ok

mrauls.6519:

Burtnik.5218:

mrauls.6519:

XxsdgxX.8109:

mrauls.6519:

Staff 5 was over the top. Honestly it shouldn’t even be an evade. Staff 2 can daze (if used right), Staff 4 condi clears+heals, Staff 3 blocks, and Staff 5 is a cc, evades, and deals damage… Staff is fine

Do you even know that Revenant is extremely limited by energy and even cds? Like seriously try again dude…

That’s why it’s important for Revenants to manage their energy properly. CDs on skills are pretty much nonexistent. Shortest CDs of any profession next to Thief

Warrior shield skills are shorter, better and with no energy cost. Tf you talking about?

Shield skills? You’re using shield skills as a comparison to a whole professions skillset CDs? Revenant shield #5 provides a block for 3 seconds and heals you, and #4 gives protection and healing…

I would replaced Guardian shield skills with Revenants in a heartbeat… I know Warriors would probably do the same

Rofl I’d take Warrior shield any day over the suicide Shield 5 is on Rev, self root…

And I actually played for 2-3 years Warrior and Guardian.

Guardian shield is also meh.

It’s really sad because before even getting finished it will get obliterated by nerfs cause:

e-sportz pvp

Flumek.9043:

XxsdgxX.8109:

Believe it or not I still agree, but what irks me is that some people here think that it’s absolutely nothing. Making it sound like “15% nerf?, it should have been a 95% nerf so no one touches that thing again”

Ill just repost.

Surge of the mist is one of the most stupid skills of the game, it should not have damage on it to begin with (very strong CC + gap close + evade should be enough for one skill).

Holy kitten this place is unreal. And you still wonder why ANET is only active in reddit?

Flumek.9043:

displacedTitan.6897:

What is more fun?

Watching Revs pretend they are balanced.

Or

Watching Condi Mes pretend they are balanced.

Tough to decide.

Revenants, 100%.

In the mesmers case you know hes either playing a other build or hes that much of a beginner that he doesnt know the Instant win combos.

In the revs case, they have evades and low CD soo across the board and oneshot single presses, we all know the phrase “accidentally died to a rev”.
So the player must be a PVE baddie, who is meta utility with medium dps, but still wants moar, like XxsdgxX.8109 above.

Dying by a noob who just picked up Rev? Rofl got multiple friends that love those kind of players including myself, they drop like flies.

Oh look at me! A player in the PvP subforums that not only plays cancer PvP all day
kittening heretic, you should not enjoy the other aspects of the game.

Loboling.5293:

I think people should appreciate these notes. NO BAD CHANGES!

Sure the patch doesn’t solve everything, but see above. Moa change is justified and helps reduce mesmer’s swing potential in matches. Rev and thief bugfix. And rev burst combo just got nerfed by a small amount. It doesn’t seem like much, but gw2 everyone has healing, a change to 15% of one of their major burst skills that secures downs is larger than it seems.

Overall, I really like these changes, and I think more patches like this could do a lot of good for the game. Remember, how many of these changes were bad? Normally we get a few bad changes at least.

Believe it or not I still agree, but what irks me is that some people here think that it’s absolutely nothing. Making it sound like “15% nerf?, it should have been a 95% nerf so no one touches that thing again”