Guild Wars 2

EpicTurtle.8571:

Thanks for ruining it for the rest of the community, y’know all the other players that play PvE or WvW. Congratulations on your great “victory”

And it’s funny because most of the players are playing PvE and WvW.

mrauls.6519:

XxsdgxX.8109:

mrauls.6519:

XxsdgxX.8109:

“Rev is still being played! I want those kittens that gave ANET money for their expansion to never touch Revenants again, it must get nerfed enough to be unplayable!”

This is basically all of you who keep saying that Rev has been getting nothing for nerfs, when practically almost every patch, although not across every single skill, they have been getting drastic nerfs one skill at a time. This is the second time Surge of the Mists has been nerfed, if you didn’t know then it’s clear how little you actually care about being fair. And you pretty much don’t even play Revenant, the only way to land all the damage from a skill you have no control over once you cast it is actually very situational, like being AFK next to a wall.

You well know deep inside you that you want Revenant completely out of radar, like being played 1 for each 20 players.

The DPS is already really bad for Raids and Revenant is only usable in WvW for Hammer 2, what a kittening disgusting community.

That’s exactly what DH is atm… completely off the radar. You’ll see 1 for every 20 players… There’s a reason rev is getting these nerfs. They’re over the top

So as I thought, alot of the hate comes from “If I suffer you must suffer too”. This is also why devs will never be able to know if they are closer to balance than before, because people will always have a grudge towards something, personal bias.

What a lovely mentality.

Where did I say that?

AN is making good nerfs. Your own personal agenda of keeping revenant where it is, is clouding your judgment. DH is balanced. I want revenant balanced as well.

Didn’t even really implied you said that, was a generalization.

An ok, agreed in that, if every single kittening profession is taken to DH level then it’s fair game, but you well know and I well know that most people who main other things like Scrapper, Chrono, Reaper, Daredevil etc wouldn’t be open for the idea.

Yep, a nerf too Jallis LOL

mrauls.6519:

XxsdgxX.8109:

“Rev is still being played! I want those kittens that gave ANET money for their expansion to never touch Revenants again, it must get nerfed enough to be unplayable!”

This is basically all of you who keep saying that Rev has been getting nothing for nerfs, when practically almost every patch, although not across every single skill, they have been getting drastic nerfs one skill at a time. This is the second time Surge of the Mists has been nerfed, if you didn’t know then it’s clear how little you actually care about being fair. And you pretty much don’t even play Revenant, the only way to land all the damage from a skill you have no control over once you cast it is actually very situational, like being AFK next to a wall.

You well know deep inside you that you want Revenant completely out of radar, like being played 1 for each 20 players.

The DPS is already really bad for Raids and Revenant is only usable in WvW for Hammer 2, what a kittening disgusting community.

That’s exactly what DH is atm… completely off the radar. You’ll see 1 for every 20 players… There’s a reason rev is getting these nerfs. They’re over the top

So as I thought, alot of the hate comes from “If I suffer you must suffer too”. This is also why devs will never be able to know if they are closer to balance than before, because people will always have a grudge towards something, personal bias.

What a lovely mentality.

mrauls.6519:

Staff 5 was over the top. Honestly it shouldn’t even be an evade. Staff 2 can daze (if used right), Staff 4 condi clears+heals, Staff 3 blocks, and Staff 5 is a cc, evades, and deals damage… Staff is fine

Do you even know that Revenant is extremely limited by energy and even cds? Like seriously try again dude…

“Rev is still being played! I want those kittens that gave ANET money for their expansion to never touch Revenants again, it must get nerfed enough to be unplayable!”

This is basically all of you who keep saying that Rev has been getting nothing for nerfs, when practically almost every patch, although not across every single skill, they have been getting drastic nerfs one skill at a time. This is the second time Surge of the Mists has been nerfed, if you didn’t know then it’s clear how little you actually care about being fair. And you pretty much don’t even play Revenant, the only way to land all the damage from a skill you have no control over once you cast it is actually very situational, like being AFK next to a wall.

You well know deep inside you that you want Revenant completely out of radar, like being played 1 for each 20 players.

The DPS is already really bad for Raids and Revenant is only usable in WvW for Hammer 2, what a kittening disgusting community.

Oh look it got nerfed again the only worthwhile thing on staff! (Nerfed before the very first few days of HoT)

Like is there any weapon anymore that is actually reliable?

Shield – Trash Tier
Off-Hand Sword- Meh
Off-Hand Axe – Lacks survivability
Sword – Only usable because of PS
Mace – Who even uses that?
Hammer – lol
Staff – AA drops healz orbz? 2s block, much OP

“Nerf nerf and nerf all this bullkitten I dun like kittening greedy p2w ANET!!! Cause I’m actually a better game developer than you guise! I could make my own game in no time and completely put you out of business.”

Buran.3796:

Cynz.9437:

Buran.3796:

^ Your statments are hilarous, specially on the light of Toker swiching from Thief to Rev the whole season 2.

Toker is a good player, don’t compare him to bandwagon players that can’t even leave sapphire whole season.

There’s a difference from swiching a class in the hope of being carried and swiching due the one you main is useless in the current meta. Guardian is useless since -at least- late summer of last year. That doesn’t mean that you can’t reach the legendary division with Him -you can, is just a grind- but there’s no place in the current PvP for Guardian/DH. They are worse at any task than any other class (dps, support, holder, +1…) and can’t even move without the need of gearing Traveller runes.

Anet tried to design the game since the las summer revamp (the trait lines) in a way in which everything was under control: only one set rune viable, only three trait lines at time… And still, some classes has 0 viable builds in competitive PvP. Guardian is one of them.

Fellow guardians: stop struggling and just reroll.

Way to avoid the point, the majority of players will always be quite bad.

Ravenmoon.5318:

Yeah when they boost true shot i would like to see the following “unnerfed” too

1) Pistol Whip back at one-shotting people like at launch
2) Reinstate Ricochet trait

Ty in advance :P

Buran.3796:

Just drop the class and roll Rev as everyone. Didn’t touch DH since the patch and can’t be more happy. Guardian was already dead in PvP so isn’t like the nerf did change something.

Yes do this, i would have even more revenants to farm. Few nights ago i killed 2 revs alone, fun times. I couldn’t be happier.

It’s funny because the baddies that played DH before the patch sometimes managed to kill me when i wasn’t paying attention (one true shot crit is enough to down a thief). Now that they switched to revenants I couldn’t be happier

Lol so much this

So yeah plz do switch to Rev guys, always hilarious to see people miserably fail when attempting to cheese things.

Booms.3952:

Rezzet.3614:

just be glad you guys got a 20% nerf when it could ve easily taken a 60% nerf and/or have its CD raised to 10s

or like precision strike which got a 300% buff and had its cd increased by 1s

PS wasn’t buffed last patch, uh ok

But if you are talking from the moment it was buffed a while ago then with that and after that it came:

Shield 5, Infused Light, Unwavering Avoidance, Radiant Revival, Sword AA, Coalescence of Ruin, UA, Enchanted Daggers, Riposting Shadows nerfs.

Exactly, it’s very important to not over do it.

Like someone said:

coso.9173:

Envy.1679:

coso.9173:

why do people assume that if they include a lgbt character it will be just a token character with awful background just to show how progressive anet is?
would you react the same to a straight character?
its is not about being a sjw, or microaggresion bs, but including a trans npc should not create such trouble in the first place. it is just a npc in a mmo story, why would people be in arms about such a simple thing?

The problem is that you want to include a trans NPC, instead of an NPC who just happens to be trans.

it might be hard for you to understand but those are two different things.

hit the nail on the head. +1

reaganjn.9371:

Three reasons:

Elitism, Short on time, It’s not fun.

Sekai.2987:

Envy.1679:

http://imgur.com/0A0nEoY

note that he was on the enemy team, and we won by a pretty large margine. He started that novel after i killed him.

preatty much my experience in every pvp game i have ever played, but at least he said nothing about your mom, so i guess thats a plus point for the great gw2 community

Sardath.8524:

A poll about what? The pvp community is the most fractured, undecided and hostile community in Gw2.

I can already see the hordes screaming about SoloQ without even understanding the underlying issue. I hope Anet won’t cave in to them and bring it back.

A poll about balance won’t work either. People are still complaining about Dragonhunter, even though it’s arguably the worst class atm.

At best, Anet should poll us about what weapons/traits/utilities should they work on next.

This

The game would be even worse if ANET actually listened to all the bullkitten that is posted here.

Zenith.7301:

Varezenem.2813:

Zenith.7301:

XxsdgxX.8109:

It is a “solid” class for PvP but far from OP, just a really solid competitive choice for a power build although it gets hard countered by any condition build.

In PvE they are easily replaceable because their DPS isn’t that great anymore. I’ve noticed that raid groups started completely replacing Revs a while ago after the huge AA nerf they got a while ago.

Any raid leader that replaces a Herald is an idiot. 50% boon duration = 50% more quickness, and that facet makes it so you don’t even need to might stack yourself and can spam more sword #2 before switching to Jalis to recharge.

The AA nerf wasn’t even a sustained DPS nerf, their DPS actually went up in any circumstance where they could land the 3 projectiles from Precision Strike, which is pretty much every boss.

Herald tested DPS is 30k. That’s only behind Tempest and Daredevil. They are the third highest DPS class with might+fury stacking, strong break bar destruction, 50% boon duration, 150 ferocity aura for the group, and on demand ranged protection and a 50% reduced damage intake elite on demand.

No class can actually beat that level of combined utility and damage. Eles and thieves are pure DPS classes with far inferior utility.

I wouldn’t recommend using precision strike due to the bug it’s weaker than just using AA.
You might want to test it on the DPS golem

https://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/4ft01q/qt_dps_benchmarkstests_for_all_classes/

Can you even read?

I just really hope ANET is being smart on what and who to listen. And something tells me that they maybe are after seeing that this last patch wasn’t as full of nerfs as the one we got post S1 with the massive damage and shield nerfs.

And either way we have been getting nerfs since they very first days of HoT but no one seems to ever put attention.

Some of the ones I still remember:

Staff 5 – Reduced damage

Infused Light – Reduced duration

Mallyx

Shield 5 – Increased cd

Phase Traversal – from no cd to 5s cd

Unwavering Avoidance – added cd

Radiant Revival – Removed Infused Light for ally

Infused Light again – Added cast time

Sword AA – 30% ish + nerfs

UA – 20%+ over all damage reduced and evade frames reduced

Shield 5 again – 40%+ healing reduced

Enchanted Daggers – Damage and healing reduced

Riposting Shadows – Endurance gain reduced by 50%

And again, I’m not really complaining about all the big amount of nerfs we have been getting, but that it seems that a good amount of players just want Revenant to be unplayable. My only hope is that ANET isn’t that afraid of its players.

Like how they have even been nerfing PvE difficulty even before the game was out of beta and still happening today with HoT just because players dont want to “Learn to play”. It’s essentially the same thing with PvP, alot of players expect to not have to rethink their “strategies” when something new is out, even a simple patch and that no other player can be more skilled than them.

So please choose carefully what to listen to and what to not ANET.

If you didn’t know by now Herald’s soft music after activating a facet comes from here.

And the same track was remade in Season 2 for Glint’s Lair.

Didn’t get to play GW1 so just now I found out this, so amazing.

Man I really like the concept of Revenant/Herald and specially because of how great the lore is in this game, so I really find it sad how much bashing this class gets from the PvP esportzzz guys in the PvP forums, just because it is at the moment a somewhat “solid” class despise the lack of build diversity. As if this game was a PvP centric game instead of the MMORPG it actually is.

I just really fear for the future of this class, as it is already struggling in PvE and only really wanted to serve as a boonbot and for WvW it is only “good” for Hammer 2 spam. Yet here in the PvP forums there’s still the occasional thread asking for huge overnerfs with no real arguments but this:

“Mang fukn revenants are so unkillable with all the dozens of dodges and blocks and fulls heals they have, they also have like no cds or energy costs and r the easiest class to play, fukn ANET mang its all p2w” (Even read once an entire thread of how OP Jallis actually was because it has spammable 80%+ damage reduction)

Also the recent nerf to Riposting Shadows was huge, from 50 endurance to only 25. Almost as drastic as they overnerf shield got a while ago. Either way I thought it was somewhat reasonable so I just tried to get over it… but what happens then? The really loudly super “pro” mlg people at the pvp forums kept with the same bs, and alot of them even said that Revenant was getting even more “OP” because of the Ventari and offhand-sword “buffs”… Like, wow

So I’ve came the the conclusion that this really loudly toxic players won’t stop it until Revenant gets completly out of radar, “Cause kitten whatever is new! I dun like change. I love monotony and no innovation”

And this actually happens with anything that is new in a game, be it a new weapon or a new class like in this case. Seriously I’ve seen the same thing happen in the other games I’ve played and in most cases this kind of people won’t stop crying in the forums until it gets completely overnerfed and is used by almost no one.

And while there are indeed cases where something is indeed OP this is not one of them, not after all this nerfs Revenant has been getting since day 1.

ronpierce.2760:

Grimreaper.5370:

Im actually impressed with your modest suggestions for each class, you seem to care about fair play. As others have also said I dont think that this is enough though to truly balance out each profession.

Likely there would still be some nudges required to make it work. My biggest concern is that I strongly feel there needs to be SOME benefit for being a “base” class, and I also don’t want to hurt diversity in the process. This is a rough go at it, but the conversation is worth having.

Agreed, that’s why I really liked your entire post since it was not only about “Nerf this, overnerf that while simultaneously buffing this and overbuffing that”.

Jaxom.7310:

i like the time off. lots of other things in the game i still want to do, so its nice to not feel like i HAVE to queue up

This, god it seems that some people forget this is an actual mmorpg and not some kind of PvP only game. And it’s funny cause in fact the majority of the player population, at any time, is not playing PvP.

The problem is that the PvP community here is really toxic, so there are better options like reading reddit instead or just using their metrics of what are the most played things.

Kayberz.5346:

ronpierce.2760:

Kayberz.5346:

Your assessment that the problem will only get worse as more elite specs are released is completely false, the whole problem stems from there ONLY being 1 elite.
You can only have 1 elite spec equipped at a time, but you ALWAYS have at least 2 core specs at all times. As they release more elite specs the build variety will increase, while no mater what core specs will always be relevant because they are required.
Down the road when we have like 3 or more elite specs to choose from this system will work very well, its just a temporary issue of being shoehorned into 1 elite spec because thats all thats available to us at the moment.

You’ve mistaken what problem would become worse. General diversity would increase. In a year’s time we might have 2 viable builds, sure, though, I wouldn’t consider that a ground breaking fix. The problem I’m referring to is that the longer this is ignored, the more obsolete playing a base class will become. For some classes that may not feel like it matters, but for others it most certainly does matter.

The game is moving FORWARD, you always have the choice to run 3 base specs, but dont complain that your making yourself suboptimal, the game cant stay the same forever, as more skills are added more OLD builds will find more efficient ways to do things by taking advantage of the multitude of new abilities to complement their playstyle even better.
You cant expect to NEVER have to change from using pure vanilla builds to stay relevant
Most the people that complain about pure core builds not being viable are just either people who cant be bothered to buy the expansion or baddies who only learned to play their class ONE WAY and dont want to adapt to changing metas yet still want to compete with people who do

Meh, been doing T4 since day one of the patch and I’ve received a total of … 0 Ascended Armor/Weapon boxes.

So yeah whatever

EdgarMTanaka.7291:

Yeah mesmer is fine, the majority of this forums and other communities just have to LTP. I am actually biased as I haven’t played that much lately but I beleave that when such a large portion of a community is saying something is OP it is usually OP.

So DH was indeed the most OP thing? Cause “a large portion of a community” did indeed complain about them soon after HoT released, and kept complaining even after they kept getting nerfed again and again.

What a joke

Amazing post OP, this threads are by far the best specially since 99% of the other threads here are just about whining.

I really hope OP’s posts gets read by someone of high rank.

Tutorial? Wow and I thought I took too much time when I realized how the CC bars worked after 1 hour of playing.

It is a “solid” class for PvP but far from OP, just a really solid competitive choice for a power build although it gets hard countered by any condition build.

In PvE they are easily replaceable because their DPS isn’t that great anymore. I’ve noticed that raid groups started completely replacing Revs a while ago after the huge AA nerf they got a while ago.

1. Scrapper was more powerful than Revenant ever was.
2. Scrapper was way easier to master than a Revenant.
3. Revenant has been getting nerfs since they very first days of HoT and not only during big patches.

This is kittening funny, solod all the HoT maps to get my elite specs with both my base guardian and BASE revenant before they nerfed things to make them easier, 2-4 days after HoT release.
What the kitten people? Same people that struggle with low level fractals?

Nocta.5274:

Tomiyou.3790:

Most players probably don’t care, but this is very bad. If GW2 has no good Twitch support, the game can not grow as a “esports” game and neither as a MMO in general.

I actually believe cutting support for proleague would benefit the game in general;
The money being used for it is marketing money and audience/return from it is very low.

Use marketing money to actually market the game to people that would be interested ( there’s a lot of untapped players that would love GW2 but have no clue about it ), and without proleague, complains about meta and balance would probably lower.

I don’t know, feels like win-win in my books, and I’m an avid pvp player. ¯\(?)/¯
Arenanet would just need to get a proper marketing campaign going, and not stupid stuff like Guild cabs.

Uhhh … okay ?

Was also about to say the same thing about Rev but didn’t find it worth it to be then burned alive by the angry mob.

Darknicrofia.2604:

whatever class I main takes the most skill, and whatever class counters me takes the least.

No other answers needed.

NOP, I’ve played multiple MMOs in the past and this is still by far the best.

Cyanon.1928:

Locuz.2651:

Zynt.5769:

Like I said, from my experience the games haven’t been like that in Unranked, if anything it was Ranked games that were like that. So my Unranked games have actually been a better quality.

Below average players are happy with it since they get to play in higher quality games.

Above average players are not happy with it since competetive games are somewhat not excistant as you can see in my screenshots.

Wrong, I consider myself above average player (reasons not provided on this post) and I like competitive matches, but I’m supper happy of being able to have fun around playing multiple classes and multiple builds, some for testing, some for trolling, some for fun, some for learning.

Remember, not everyone enjoys the same things. And it has no relation with player skill.

Exactly, playing a game for the sake of having fun, it seems that most people forget what games were supposed to accomplish.

Another reason I’ve always dislikes the whole “Meta” kitten. God forbid you for actually thinking for yourself and trying things that aren’t posted in a website.

Win at all costs! kitten that kitten about “having fun”

Proceed to complain at the PvP subforums if you somehow do not win 100% of your matches. Ask for nerfs to whatever you don’t like. Buff all the kitten I like!

For PvP yes, much better than shield specially now that it became trash tier vs decent players… ugh shield was already “average” before getting overnerfed, immobilizing yourself is digging your own grave.

Magira.6390:

I have played at elite all 9 classes per WvW. Revenant is approximately in the middle in terms of suitability for solo roaming. Outstanding is my Engi, he makes Tower easily solo and my thief who has the best mobility. And PU Mesmer naturally.

Yep, Rev isn’t terrible but it isn’t in the top 3 either.

… Goodbye …

Nice joke thread

SneakyTouchy.6043:

They already tried it, several times. It didn’t work out. They moved on. Get over it.

Burtnik.5218:

Rip hammer, rip Jalis. Was fun to play with ya for a moment. Ill miss you both so much

THIS IS NOT FAIR!!!

Rofl yep, was the only thing making Jallis competent so that’s why I knew from the beginning that it was a bug.

Obtena.7952:

Again, it’s simply statistics here so it’s not about ‘asking for it’. Half the classes are going to be below average. You’re just biased towards your more desirable one.

Crinn.7864:

The 3 rules of game balance.

1.) The current meta is always the worst
2.) The meta from the early days of the game was always the best one
3.) Whatever the patch notes say is the exact opposite of what should have happened.

These rules are true for all multiplayer games.

Rofl, truth bomb right here.

bigmonto.4215:

Rev is powerful mostly because of ele. Nerf ele, you essentially bring rev back in line. As a ele player, I really do hope they nerf the healing and increase its damage potential.

Yep, they synergize each other so well and Revenant being the one carried the most by the Ele.

jessiestiles.9437:

You can play against the same 5 people in pvp for an hour or two. This is true even during league. There’s just not the interest in pvp to warrant focused development in this area. The balance updates are obviously for WvW, raids and HoT. So don’t act suprised that the balance patch doesn’t make any sense. PvP is low priority.

And can’t blame people for not sticking to PvP, ingame it is toxic as kitten. So I’m glad about their approach with this patch on not being focused on PvP only.
It’s just like zinkz said.

otto.5684:

Is the OP being dramatic? Yes, but that does not mean Revs are in a good spot. Only thing leaving Rev floating is glint, but the damage as power, condi, burst or sustained is okay to mediocre and only one nearly useless ranged weapon.

Since ever Rev felt like an incomplete class, but had pretty powerful damage output. Constant nerfs took away the damage and left it incomplete. It works, but it excels at nothing and is easily substitutable in every game mode.

emkelly.2371:

I’ve had some great fights against revenants in the last 24 hours as a warrior, here is what i have noticed. Revs don’t know how to deal with warriors suddenly having sustain. you guys keep treating us like we will be dead when our two endure pains wear off, and thats just not the case.

You can’t just run in and burst down a warrior in an instant anymore. you have to kite us, you have to run a slightly more tanky build, you have to save your bug burst for the right moment, and don’t waste your freaking awesome evade.

I have beaten most revs i’ve fought since the update, but the revs who know their class and are on the ball give me headaches because they can still out sustain me and they can burst me down quickly. There are WAY better warriors out there than me. ANd there have been one or two revs who seriously ate my face.

Grow up. one nerf patch will not kill your class. it took them several nerfs in a row to kill the warrior, and only took two updates to fix most of our problems. you’ll be on top eventually.

Funnily enough I agree on both.

zinkz.7045:

So you think nerfs were aimed for WvW zergs like rev sword 2 when revs use hammer / staff in zergs, or Riposting Shadows when revs normally don’t even use assassin legend for zergs, or that the nerf to slick shoes & sneak gyro were aimed at one of the least used classes in zergs / guilds, or perhaps your understanding of the game is so bad you think buffing engi pistol is aimed at WvW, etc, okay…

The patch had some stuff for WvW like limiting the number of targets to 10 on skills like static field, the stab change, DH bow 5, etc.

And here is the reality check, until raids, the vast majority of balance changes in this game were for PvP to the detriment of WvW / PvE, to the point overall game balance across all modes over the history of this game has been one of the worst I’ve ever played, e.g – necros spent 3 years at bottom of the barrel in PvE, engies/rangers were not even recruited by WvW guilds for years, and you throw your toys out of the pram because one patch actually considers WvW a bit, rather than 95%-100% on PvP like most patches, talk about entitlement, I guess objectivity is an unknown concept to you, pathetic…

I kittening know right? As I’ve previously said, this subforum is a joke.

Supreme.3164:

Asrat.2645:

Actually its not as bad as I suspected. I still believe mesmers, revs and eles need a nerf, and I still believe the gamedesign of spam, healing and autoprocs is unhealthy…
But as of now the patch is playable. A lot of people are just trying to figure the meta out and play experimental stuff, thats a big part of why its fun.
But all in all the patch seems to be ok.
If they shave down the three beforementioned just a little the next season should be alright.
They can still work on the underlying problems as soon as inter-class balance is achieved and stable.
Yet. If some crazy new meta build pops up in the next weeks, I hope they wont just let them run rampage as they did last time. Mid season balance patches are OK, as long as they are fixing immediate, outstanding issues that shouldnt be ignored.

No MMO, during any month of any year has ever seen a situation where the official forum was not littered with nerf threads. There is no perfect balance because in most people’s mind a game is considered perfectly balanced when the odds are strongly in their favour

^^^^^^^^^^^

Dahkeus.8243:

Furajir.3815:

Nice Try, but we know you work for Anet.

How 2 forum:
1) Be angry.
2) Call anyone you disagree with a fan boy, white knight, or claim they’re secretly working for the company.
3) ???
4) Profit.

=P

Pretty much

Yeah, the patch was actually nice overall but either way I did suspect that the mesmer changes were weird.