Guild Wars 2

Burn.5401:

A-Net’s solution to the bunker meta was “the comp with more damage wins” while leaving zero counterplay to said damage. (eg. Reapers, Thieves)

Yep, they still somehow manage to keep making everything worse and worse.
Simultaneously overbuffing thief and reaper while also overnerfing sustain from mesmer, ele, rev, barely buffing warrior and while also removing defensive trinkets from pvp. Like what kind of joke is this?

Remember thieves are too underpowered!!! still need moar buffs

wharone.1809:

If it’s PvE, I guess we’re a fancy boonbot, but we’re basically swapped roles with Thief. We’ll get actively nerfed in every patch like Necros and Rangers before HoT and devs will seal the deal by saying “Revs are in a good place,” condemning us to the same abyss that Guardian has been languishing in since launch.

On the PvP side, isn’t Mallyx/Glint still a decent combo for conditions? I used that build a few times with success before, but after the “balance” patch, I’m not sure about anything anymore.

Rofl I know that, cause I stopped maining guard for that exact reason hoping for something better with this one… but then I hear that Karl is also most likely in charge of Revs now cause Roy simply stopped caring.

obal.3218:

I updated the guide for the patch.

LucianDK.8615:

Hey Obal, now that the changes are live. How is the rev weapons faring now?

I asume Sword is still on top despite the nerfs. Hammer having taken a significant hit due to the double cd on CoR. And that staff still is at rock bottom.

Sword is about the same as it was before. Staff was better than hammer and still is by more now.

Err no, staff is barely 3-4% worse than sword now and staff has way better utilities.
And staff has always been trash tier dps so yeah….

Warrior needed buffs, thief needed QoL tweaks, necro was more than fine…. so what did they do?

Barely gave anything to warrior, overbuffed thief on areas that were not needed, necro is a kittening OP joke faceroll machine now

kuritsutian.2987:

XxsdgxX.8109:

1000% what SchmendrickTheMagician said:

“Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it.”

It was George Santayana who originally said it, but yeah, a good quote nevertheless.

Ya I know, just wanted to repeat that wonderful phrase.

Wheres the rest of the balance patch? Lol it’s almost exactly as the “preview” we saw.

1000% what SchmendrickTheMagician said:

“Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it.”

Hexalot.8194:

Laxus.3062:

i find thiefs/daredevils easy to deal with i can even 1v2 them after the patch.

If you can still 1v2 thieves/daredevils post patch, they have to be two of the most awful players of that class on God’s Green Earth.

Now that shield is pretty much not worth it since it has a trash heal and still roots you, can we then have it as a mobile skill and/or clean conditions? Sword offhand is way better since it’s mobile and this game is all about our mobility.

Pretty sure I read from Roy once either here or on a GW2 stream that if we wanted shield to do something extra like moving while blocking or cleaning conditions then it should have its healing nerfed…. Well it has been nerfed… and hard, so yeah expecting for a compensation whenever next patch hits.

This is besides from actually finishing the class, base Rev is trash tier.

Rofl, well memed

Shovel Face.4512:

Uncle Dalty.8327:

Shovel Face.4512:

HipposWild.7185:

That is not at all what happened. They just swapped who’s insanely op. I don’t play mesmer but them and ele might add well get deleted. Which is not balance.

Ur kidding right? Everyone was so use to broken Mesmer class that now since they actually have to try and play with skill they are mad they can’t be the “OP class.” As far as I’m concerned, this is balance. Having Ele and Mes being virtually unkillable is not balance. Having a Rev condi you to death by simply standing next to you is not balance. Have 2 classes virtually unplayable is not balance. Having all classes now required to have skill to play IS BALANCE.

let me guess… you play an untouched or buffed class and think you are skillful now cause anet nerfed everything to crap. Yeah you are just that good

Ok whatever class I play is immaterial. The point I’m trying to get across is just because your class, which was broken, was fixed with this patch doesn’t mean ur class is not viable. YOUR CLASS DOESNT NOT HAVE TO BE SUPER POWERFUL TO BE VIABLE. I mean come on, anyone with any decent knowledge of GW2 PvP knew clearly that Mes was insanely broken and that the Bunker meta was toxic. And now since every broken class has now been brought down with the rest of the classes everyone is complaing and whining because they want their broken classes back so they can be the super powerful class again. These guys have become so use to playing super powerful classes and having advantages over other classes that they can’t stop to think that maybe their super powerful classes needed to be nerfed in order to achieve balance.

Rofl sure dude

Overnerfing classes at the same time you overbuff others at the same time you delete defensive amulets from pvp is pure balancing.

Great joke

And yep, biased much for thief?

Rome.7124:

Shovel Face.4512:

Pls tell me how class balance is broken when it hasn’t been a day since patch release? How would you know? Did you just assume since Mesmers can’t be played while making a sandwich anymore that classes are broken? Matchmaking is getting fixed next season too so idk why ur whining about that.

My first reaction without checking post history is that you must be a thief player… And I was right. Nuff said.

Uncle Dalty.8327:

style.6173:

We still need a bit more time. I am happy that the no-skill builds like bunker mesmer are gone, but still need to see how more matches play out.

bunker mes took more skill than condi spamming lol

Yep but people wont accept it, anyone thinking that 123 spamming condis on a reaper or now 1-2 skills and AA on thief is any more skillful than bunker mesmer is a kittening joke.

Not only Rev’s damage got butchered (aside from not even buffing staff or just anything else in fact) it also got it’s survability neutered lol. Come on, I can get the AA nerf but because we were promised attention on other things. ANETs response seems to be to always to overnerf and overbuff things simultaneously… and each 3 kittening months

And wait for the biased cancerous players come defend thief.

Evan Lesh.3295:

I’m happy all these changes are out now! I’m looking forward to watching all the graphs and charts and player perception change :P

What basically we have been saying “Hey ummm we have no idea of what to do so lets overnerf random kitten, overbuff other and just see.”

Varezenem.2813:

You really don’t understand anything about the revenant do you? With these changes and necro buffs you’ll be lucky to see anyone using the revenant in a few days. It’ll be in a a lot worse than what the warrior felt.

It is just pure hating on the “new class”, happens in almost every game.

Ok maybe I was wrong, the final patch was not all about the nerfing to AA, UA, Facet and Hammer. It was also a nerf to shield and stability on dodge …
Cause kitten base Rev right ANET?

I know… this most be a kittening joke

LOL, kittening told you guys. 100% nerfs

LOL loved the video, thanks OP

So yeah the amount of naive people in this forum is amazing, never realizing that this kittening nerf/buff cycle is all thanks to the complaints and crying they make about the most stupid kitten they can think of, cause kitten L2P, everyone inside their minds most think they are among the top players so whenever they die it most be the game that is broken.

Like seriously I feel bad for you if you think the game is getting more balanced with each patch… It’s all the way around if you didnt notice that by now.

Varezenem.2813:

Krysard.1364:

Varezenem.2813:

Krysard.1364:

Odokuro.5049:

You mean Revs won’t be able to AA with their hammer and Crit like a 1200 range backstab, nice!

Be ready for Precision Strike hitting more than CoR on a 4s cd

Precision strike only hits scrubs. That does also apply to CoR so I guess you are right.

Well, until tomorrow I would call scrub anyone wasting a dodge for that skill ^^

Unless you are in melee you can still strafe it.

Just by barely moving you can strafe it

Varezenem.2813:

Krysard.1364:

Odokuro.5049:

You mean Revs won’t be able to AA with their hammer and Crit like a 1200 range backstab, nice!

Be ready for Precision Strike hitting more than CoR on a 4s cd

Precision strike only hits scrubs. That does also apply to CoR so I guess you are right.

Burtnik.5218:

Precision strike will be nerfed in 2 days after patch due to crying on forum, nvm it barely can hit a kitten already. Just watch

I know right…

Burtnik.5218:

Mahou.3924:

Burtnik.5218:

Dat troll insulting everyone.. for real man?

And your comments and bitter QQing how A-Net balances around “pleb level” are any better than what you conceive as trolling? Maybe you are a pro at talking kitten and belittlement but definitely not a pro-level player.

To quote a response to a similar fail-attitude .
“I love arguments like this. If its only good against “pleb levels” and you are a pro why do you care so much then if things are being nerfed (…)" “But to say something is only good against bad people yet cry to see it untouched that’s a stoopid transparent argument.”

Fail quote and you may do some research for a proper one. But yep, balance is done around pleb level as Glint heal wasnt a issue to anyone at high level. Facerollers wasnt happy healing rev back to full tho. There inst any real reason to nerf glint heal as it stands now cause its already predicable heal. In fact power rev is not even meta as it was pushed out by shiro/mallyx. Your point?

^^

This has been really funny since HoT launched “Omgodz DH is broken borderline OP!!! plz nerf!!! (nothing happens)….. kitten we didnt cry enough, ok lets cry with mesmer and a bit with Rev instead in hopes I magically get better at playing”
Too bad that the noob destroyer builds will always get the most attention from devs.

Close this subforum

Ithilwen.1529:

Welcome back to the zerker meta that anet allegedly wanted to change. There will no longer be skilled gameplay. Just land your combo first and be the winner.

Skill is dead, all hail the mighty faceroll.

People dont want to accept this although you are right lol, just wait for the cries after a while on the ridiculous burst meta we will soon have mark my words.
This “QQ this OP plz nerf, QQ this UP plz buff” cycle will keep repeating over and over as long as the devs keep listening to every ridiculous complaint each bad player does. You will NEVER have a competitive balanced game as long as you keep balancing around low skilled people, but the Devs have no guts so bad players first.

scerevisiae.1972:

CntrlAltDefeat.1465:

scerevisiae.1972:

This is the worst proposed change. rev is already annoyingly vulnerable to CC, this will make it worse.

Um,..stability on roll+grandmaster bulwark that makes stability double in stacks+adept master traits that generate vigor.

revenant is the most immune to CC.

Because noone would ever think of boon stripping/corrupting before CC/bursting right?

Rev is the most immune to CC versus noobs, sure.

^

Aside from the fact that you have to waste a dodge to get the stability.

Carighan.6758:

Malchior.5732:

Alternatively, your opponent saw that you used it, stopped attacking for a second and you effectively only healed ~1600 and now you’re dead.

Yes, because it’s all 1v1 combat in slow-motion.

Lol actually a premade full of decent players would stop attacking the same Herald as soon as they see the effect.

kittenposting too stronk

Pyriall.1683:

ITT people complaining about the toxicity of the forum community all the while contributing to it. This includes the OP.

And again you with your bashing.

Agreed OP, perfect example is this subforum. Hard to imagine it getting more toxic and the sad thing is devs keep listening to the crybabies that come to complain here and thats why the game will keep getting worse and worse.

MadVisions.4529:

New challenge!
Find the word: “Balance” in the upcoming patch notes

FTFY

Ritt.3069:

Agreed. Thief buffs along with Revenant nerfs already make it significantly weaker. I predict I’ll see more match-ups in the future you don’t want to play as a Rev than ones you do.

I would have been fine with nerfing over the top classes, but this habit of buffing AND nerfing is what makes Anet class balance scary. They can turn previously over powered classes into trash tier in one go, while offering us new top dogs to replace them. I do think Perfect balance will never be achieved, but this simultaneous buffing and nerfing is taking us nowhere.

Exactly this, instead of regular small tweaks they always mindlessly drop buff/nerf nukes. This cycle is endless and doomed to fail again and again.

Knighthonor.4061:

Burtnik.5218:

Yep, i made in pants about how scary precision strike wil be in actual fight instead of fooling around.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6AoRq8cdAlQ

It reminds me something… wasnt it guard scepter?! Never hits at 500+ distance, miss most of the time at mid range, experiences tracking issues. It only seems to work in melee – why it wasnt made melee then?

Kitten, its really so scary that i might uninstall. 2spooky4me.

wow smh this is terrible

Rofl yep, not even in PvE I used it ever

ReaperJr.5967:

runeblade.7514:

I am going to be the first one to fully completely disagree with this. Most of those traits have a long cooldown.

Passive defensive proc is a second wind. It keeps me from getting ganked from god-knows-where and give me time to realize what is going on. However, because of the long cooldowns, I can’t get another second wind for another gank.

It stops the game from being Gank wars 2: Shoot first to win. With the bunker meta out of the way, passive defensive procs are more necessary otherwise there will be a even more toxic meta where players gets 100 to 0 all the time and then quit.

If defensive passive procs get removed, I can’t wait to hear your complaints about one-shot meta and watch ANet nerf the damage back to the bunker meta. I can’t wait to hear complaints about all builds requiring defensive utilities like warriors is already suffering with stances.

What? Do you know what active defenses are? Those are wholly sufficient to prevent 1 shotting. All passive procs do are to buy time for active defenses which results in chain defenses aka very high survivability by facerolling. Which are what people are complaining about.

E.g. revenant gets bursted, he’s a bad player so he doesn’t react in time to mitigate at least some of the burst. But no worries! Crystal hibernation procs at 25%. After the proc, he is then able to activate another crystal hibernation from shield 5, he then activates glint heal after that if the 2 crystal hibernations didnt heal him enough. If nobody hits him during glint, he then heals with sword 4, followed by sword 3 before glint heal ends. Before sword 3 ends, he switches to shiro and uses shiro dodge while switching to staff. Using staff 3 and 5 after that ensures his absolute survival after that.

And there we have the typical revenant player abusing chain defenses. All of this would not have happened if not for the passive proc.

Btw all those op passive procs are on a low cd like 48s.

He is a bad player but still somehow proceeds to perfectly perform and chain all of what you said. Cracked laughing

Stand The Wall.6987:

I feel like we’re jumping from one extreme to the other. Sure the bunker meta was really lame and boring. Sure it needed to go. Is the other side of the coin that much better? I doubt it. If anything, more active defense needs to be added.

Incoming 1 second kills meta, this is beyond doomed.

At the same time as they are buffing Reapers they are also nerfing Revs…. stop being so kittening hateful about revs

They like seriously never really think about the changes they make. All this mindless nerfs and buffs to random kitten remind me so much of Destiny, the pvp here is getting also as bad.

Agemnon.4608:

babazhook.6805:

Fade to Black.7042:

mulzi.8273:

Burtnik.5218:

Guys.. please. Wait for the review before you start complaining. I will be first to yell at Roy if the changes sux balls but we dont know their plans for rev now. We dont know if they reduce energy cost on wep skills, rework sword 2 to be a burst move or whatever.

It may not be as abd as it sounds. For now i only hope that they rework Shiro healing cus its really terrible. Gonna bumb my thread about it and zzz time.

If history has taught us anything, Anet does not know how to balance anything ‘slightly’. They will either tweak something so it makes no difference, or they will sledge hammer it into oblivion, rendering the skill completely unusable.

Reading between the lines, the Thief will be the new WvW/Spvp FoTSeason class. Increasing their damage and not touching the stealth mechanics so squishes get one shot from stealth..Fun times… My only concern is the fact we will have to live with any crap changes for 4-6 months at least.

Agree, they should take notes from ppl who really plays rev and against them above lvl35 pvp atleast, so they know what they are talking about.

Quite frankly they can’t. For every profession and for every person posting a sound idea to address an overpowered skill there at least as many claiming said profession is underpowered, that the Devs hate the class and are trying to get rid of it and that the class “garbage”. They then post on how OP another class is.

I read the profession boards with regularity and see it all the time.

How do you suggest the Devs differentiate between the two groups? If a thief claims Rev OP and a rev complains Thief OP who is correct and which should be listened to by the devs?

While there might be other means of doing so the only legitimate way I can see of addressing concerns of balance in PvP is to measure the entire body of players at upper levels of PvP and analyzing which professions are overrepresented and which are not.

An issue arises here as well as PvP is not the same as Pve and WvW.

This is why we need AI players because even ESL pros are only excellent relative to other imperfect human beings. If a computer could beat a world champion in chess way back in the 90’s then why can’t they make the perfect AI’s today for balancing purposes and putting toned down versions (with champion level HP) in open world metas and raids as a cool externality?

Metrics come from the play of imperfect human beings so while it does maintain some reliability isn’t nearly as reliable as perfect AI comps with varying skills, traits, and class comps to test how they fare against each other. They could do team X vs. team Y fight in Khylo five times, then Legacy, then Temple. The AI would likely need to be adaptive.

What I’m getting at is what if seemingly OP skills and classes really aren’t but reliable counters to them weren’t discovered? Due to the sheer volume of class and spec combinations per comp it would take quite awhile, but devs would have the power to say, “We have data objectively proving X skill is well balanced so suck it up and play on!” whenever someone brings up overpowered skills. Yes, some skills and amulets are genuinely overpowered but finding them would be a purpose behind such scientific research.

Very well thought, I always knew that balancing around how bad players are in PvP would always keep constantly breaking a game and I have actually been noticing that with other games Ive played in the last years.

The only few times Devs should listen to the community in regards to PvP balance is when the feedback comes from well known top tier players. Cause even now I can still notice how they keep “balancing” around what most bad players die to. Lol like AGAIN nerfing Infuse Light, UA overall nerf and surely more to come.

Lmao funny thing about this is what some of you said, power builds getting kittened up hard time instead of the meta condi builds but ofc INB4 more nerfs instead of buffs in the next friday preview.

Wut, since when did the Precision Strike projectiles gain tracking/homing? Unless you stand still inside the target’s body (lol not ever happening in pvp) it’s a waste of dps and energy using it. Never saw the skill launching all the strikes in a single direction.

Wolfs Shadow.7234:

There is a pretty good chance that Necro’s will be the next meta and will be regarded as OP.

So much this, this kittening cycle always happens.

Burtnik.5218:

Rym.1469:

Precision Strike 1v1 will be now super scary. Over 100% Chill uptime.

Super scary in 1v1 my kitten. The projectile is so slow that it miss even my grandma. How is that supposed to be scary? The skill itself is scary already. Scary at how horrible it is.

And the chill duration was also nerfed rofl, people crying about it being OP most have been alot.

fellyn.5083:

MercenaryNote.8506:

If you had listened to Rubi, you would have remembered that she said that these notes are a PREVIEW, not the whole list. Be patient.

They say that every time and every time it usually ends up being 95% of the changes.

And even if true it doesnt guarantee that those other changes will be buffs.

“Broken in PvE” cracked laughing

Almost thought you were a serious person, got me there lol

MercenaryNote.8506:

If you had listened to Rubi, you would have remembered that she said that these notes are a PREVIEW, not the whole list. Be patient.

So im hoping they will buff all the other weapon’s AAs and skills by 10%-20%? Cause right now people just go sword AA cause it’s the only viable way to dps consistently, energy pool and costs is terrible to even try using skills for dps.
Also Infuse Light nerfed again………….. wow it was already a trash tier heal vs competent players………………….. lol and the Hammer nerf, like seriously, the weapon was trash tier already in the competitive ground.

They went beyond “Full kitten” I dont even play a mesmer but still could notice how kittening butchered it got.

superherofan.8042:

Really disappointed that there were no changes to Ventari or Jallis.

It’s like “Hey we again have no idea what are we doing, lets butcher all the things that bad players die to. Also leave Jallis and Ventari alone, if anything they need nerfs too”

kittening seriously Id rather play Destiny again lmao