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In my experience it doesn’t cleanse conditions and I now I know why as explained a few posts above.

Your necro looks pretty cool Oglaf, I like it.

Well it’s confirmed by phoebe that it’s new so yea only old school necros will remember dying in DS and being sad, on the other hand enjoy it because it sure will get nerfed. Anet loves necros, just like when they said going in lich form and losing your minions was a bug that they would fix, then another dev said that its working as intended.

Brando.1374:

Zogyark.4597:

Brando.1374:

Zogyark.4597:

Well kitten, I guess all those times I tried using DS to prevent falling damage and dying were in vain. That’s pretty cool I’ll try it out later.

Its fun because I was able to get an enemy to follow me off a cliff once since he saw I survived lol

haha /dance emote. I tell you though I’ve died while in DS from a jump before, I know I’m not crazy.

are you sure you where still in DS form when you hit the ground?

Yes, there was even a thread in the necro forums about good uses of DS and we discussed how it’s good for taking fall damage but also discussed how it sucked it wouldn’t save your life if the fall was too high, that’s why I said it’s something new, most likely when the % from the soul reaping trait was adjusted.

Brando.1374:

Zogyark.4597:

Well kitten, I guess all those times I tried using DS to prevent falling damage and dying were in vain. That’s pretty cool I’ll try it out later.

Its fun because I was able to get an enemy to follow me off a cliff once since he saw I survived lol

haha /dance emote. I tell you though I’ve died while in DS from a jump before, I know I’m not crazy.

Brando.1374:

Zogyark.4597:

Strang.8170:

Zogyark.4597:

I see a lot of misinformed people on this thread. You can’t prevent death with DS, if a fall would originally take all of your HP you will still die if you fall while using DS, the only time DS is used is if the fall won’t originally kill you, therefore it will take away the actual lost HP from DS from the fall.

Your poor necro hasn´t seen muhc playtime has he?
You can most definately fall any height and survive with ds, tested it right now.

Must be a new bug then, did you activate DS after the jump or right before you hit the ground?

its not new and not a bug.
you can activate DS right before you hit the ground.

DS has its own “HP pool” which does not roll over to the necro’s actual hp pool.
if the necro is down to 1k hp and uses DS all the dmg taken until DS hp is gone will have 0 effect on the necro’s HP.

You will die if you activate DS though right after you jump?

Well kitten, I guess all those times I tried using DS to prevent falling damage and dying were in vain. That’s pretty cool I’ll try it out later.

Strang.8170:

Zogyark.4597:

I see a lot of misinformed people on this thread. You can’t prevent death with DS, if a fall would originally take all of your HP you will still die if you fall while using DS, the only time DS is used is if the fall won’t originally kill you, therefore it will take away the actual lost HP from DS from the fall.

Your poor necro hasn´t seen muhc playtime has he?
You can most definately fall any height and survive with ds, tested it right now.

Must be a new bug then, did you activate DS after the jump or right before you hit the ground?

I see a lot of misinformed people on this thread. You can’t prevent death with DS, if a fall would originally take all of your HP you will still die if you fall while using DS, the only time DS is used is if the fall won’t originally kill you, therefore it will take away the actual lost HP from DS from the fall.

I agree with the above, specially with a prec/power/toughness build. You’ll be lucky to achieve a third of a hundred blades damage with your axe channeling skill.

Iruwen.3164:

You mainly play a necro, what if I’d come to the necro forums telling you what I think you don’t need to make up for your lack of utility in PvE just because you do well in other aspects? Jesus…

I actually play all classes equally but nice try. To be honest I don’t use the necro speed signet I think it’s waste of a utility skill.

I’m not sure what you’re on either Necro has great utility, AOE weakness chill and blind + epidemic are great tools.

Iruwen.3164:

Focus gives 12s swiftness at a 25s recharge without boons/traits. Try that again. And try not to compare completely unrelated utility to this problem, just because one thing ain’t broken doesn’t mean everything else isn’t. Basically, stop trolling.

What do you mean try that again? I play a mesmer, swiftness half the time is fine, group swiftness at that even better.

Eveningstar.6940:

It’s ANet’s Fault: A Compendium on Complaining On The Forums
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Schadenfreude: Slaughtering Necromancers And Feeling Good About it
The Light And How to Swing It: By Uther Pendragon

I just wanted to say that I slaughter Guardians with my Necro even on a bad day. That is all.

Oh and yes I feel great about it, let the darkness consume you, I will corrupt your stability.

Mesmers don’t need a 25% mov. speed signet. If you want to run faster bring a focus. Also please don’t compare yourself to other classes having something you don’t, Mesmers have plenty of things other classes don’t and WAY more useful than speed.

I should be able to do it with a necromancer soon, just gathering some specific armor stats to be able to pull it off. It’s not as simple as “use deathshroud to soak damage”. Both Dub and Admired have good points, but what hurts necros the most is vigor, most classes have a way of obtaining it, necro none but food which is 40% instead of the usual 100%

The rich get richer, now i’ve lucked out of one.

Only 11 left at a price of 30g+, anyone know what happened?:o

Bull Zooker.1672:

ok that was a misunderstanding of the skill on my part, why I put a ? when I said it up there ^^ and OP I was joking at the end of my last post. no offense intended

You have lost all credibility for thinking spectral wall blocks projectiles, what’s your main anyway?

Were you by any chance the instance owner (Person that enters dungeon first), if so you probably kicked everyone out of the dungeon by doing that. In that case I think it’s understandable you got called names even though it’s not your fault for not knowing.

The way you make it sound it seems that you didn’t tell them you were leaving? If so that’s actually pretty rude.

Also if I’m correct, 5 people are needed to finish the dungeon after the acolytes. So with one man short they had to take some time to find someone else.

I’m also hoping this wasn’t a speed run.

Hey guys, let’s make a great class even more amazing!

Necro is rather lacking in Dungeons in PVE. Best you can bring to the party is AOE Blind with Plague and Well of Darkness along with the chill trait, besides this everything else is not up to par.

You have the 4 minions which are no help then except for some static single target encounters.

Signets are a joke with their cooldown specially signet of power and the speed signet, Plague signet is ok and undeath signet is situational.

The spectral skills are bad, you use them AND have to get hit to gain a benefit from it towards your LF, Spectral pull is terrible at pulling at times and spectral wall is too situational, in most groups vulnerability is stacked quite easy.

Finally corruption skills – Epidemic is probably the most useful group skill for conditions, Corrupt boon is too situational, blood is power is not worth it in my opinion and poison cloud is meh.

In my opinion the problem is that as a power necro, you don’t have burst AOE damage and with not useful utilities besides well of vulnerability for a Power Necro you feel rather helpless.

As a condition necro you can do AOE cripple every 10 seconds and AOE weakness every 20 with scepter/dagger. You can also do Chill and bleed/regeneration+Condition removal with staff #4

I say the best utility you can bring to a dungeon is as a condition necro traited with chill on blind. Bring Well of Darkness, epidemic and either Plague signet or Signet of Undeath switching utilities as it seems fit. For example on dredge fractal bring Corrupt boon and Wells that removes enemy boons. You won’t be as useful as a Guardian or Mesmer but at least you’ll bring something to the table.

Axel.4018:

I hope its the right section of the forum to put this on. Anyways, my main is lvl 73 ranger and i want to get lvl 80, full gear and complete more of the world.

But after that i want to start playing a different class. I found ranger unsuitable for playing alone and overall kinda weak. It’s only good against single targets and has no survivability. I play alone most of the time and i want to pick a class that is the best for playing solo.

I though about either warrior or guardian. If you know any other class that’s good without anyone helping it then i would appreciate if you told me about it.

Warrior is your choice, you got high burst dps with a high health pool, sweet revenge in case you go down you just get back up and kill something real quick and keep going. Not to mention the great mobility. Grab a Greatsword/Sword+warhorn and clear maps faster than you ever will with any other class.

Guardian is good too but the damage is not as much, and the speed options are limited to staff which does not so great damage. They are a better class to carry people in dungeons though but I don’t think that’s the interest in your post.

Cons of a warrior though is that everyone and their mom plays one.

This is why people skip trash, because of a lot of these encounters with little reward. It seems like you tried killing everything in your path at least, therefore the increased difficulty of the path. Veil oozes bring a lot of condition removal and don’t get hit (so range) Mesmer aoe condition removal, necro well and staff 4 works well, feedback and reflect work on their ranged attacks.

The boss is anti melee friendly ofc, the oozes he leaves are a pain but if you must 4 take out the silver ones while a more tanky character ranges the champion.

Tar boss must be kept burnt or he’ll cover you in tar and spawn adds, preferably with the whisker’s long burning duration, if there are adds they should be primary focus and you can rally off them, again condition removal is optimal. If Tar boss is focused on you of course you don’t want to be one casting the whiskey skill on him.

Spiders are tough, Aoe as much, feedback/reflect and timewarp work well. Again you can use the tactic above to take out silvers before the champion.

These are actually pretty challenging fights I would do more often but people always skip it because the time vs. reward thing.

lehova why are you such a kitten? obviously he’s not referring to your group if you can kill him that fast.

you don’t have the thief that soloed lupi

Dam you beat me to it.

timecookie.8570:

I started practicing solo Lupicus today and I’ve beaten it. I have not felt any extra difficulty. However I did a PuG and everyone else seemed to say that Arah had grown harder, curiously…

u soloed it? what class

Death Shroud is pretty pathetic considering the above and also considering it’s actually 60% of your actual HP. No utility for stability/invulnerability, long cooldowns on stun breaks, no access to vigor, a not reliable blink, no way to reflect. DS does not make up for these things that a lot of classes have plenty of access to, Guardian/Mesmer has access to all even multiple times and on such short cooldowns. They really need to take a look at Death Shroud because it is not making up for these things we are lacking.

Ari Kagura.9182:

Zogyark.4597:

I think you were the guy that left our group a few days ago because there was a noob in there that couldn’t run from crusher to 2nd boss in path 3. Of course we all got kicked.

It can’t be me since I haven’t pugged Arah in over a week, but even then, I rarely ever leave a dungeon if someone in the group is a bit slow. I’m usually very patient. If I end up leaving prematurely, it’s usually because someone in the group decided to boot me just to be funny.

In your case, that’s an example of a “rage-quit”, which is something that I rarely ever do; even if I were to rage-quit, the entire party (not just one person) would be very very bad for that to happen.

Ah okay sorry about that but yeah, we had a guy that of course entered first, we killed crusher fine but we had a guy that wasn’t very good, this guy himself died on the run and after his second death he just said that the not-so-good player was a moron and left the group kicking us all out.

Ari Kagura.9182:

Wethospu.6437:

I love elitist groups. It always makes me feel good when they rage-quit, it’s just too funny.
Like when rest of the team was on ledge against Crusher and I pushed him up and he killed 3 of them.
Also Lupicus used to be so funny. I mean how elite they can be if my meleeing somehow messes up their stacking and gameplay?

I have similar interests in you when it comes to elitist pugs, whether that is four other randoms or from the same guild. Pretending to suck (or just simply having a “lazy day”) does have somewhat humorous side effects. For me, I’m not as elitist as I used to be. Those days of talking down at 24 other people in a raid group to get stuff done is long behind me now. Every time I look back at that, I just simply laugh at it; and laugh at those who expresses that sort of thing in party chat.

Often times, I’m usually the first one who walks into the dungeon so even if I were to get kicked because of something that would shatter their fragile ego, the whole ship gets sunken. I guess having 5k+ achievement points, a legendary, and the Dungeon Master title would at least say “Hey! This one doesn’t look like a nub! I guess we can trust ’em in owning the instance.” At least until I find out that I forgot my morning caffeine fix. The combination of 2-vote kicks to me, and instance ownership does end up with some hilarious results of questionable tastes. Honestly, those two features should be fixed to prevent deliberate griefing, but that’s a totally different thread all together.

In regards to Arah p3 in general, I do remember somehow luring the Crusher to the “Exploit Lamp Post” and such a way that he does eventually hit everyone standing on top of it. I wish I had a video capture of that, because it was hilarious when the entire party wiped from just a single attack.

Meleeing Lupi, however, is something I’m not bothered about anymore. I know some people are capable of meleeing him and getting away with it. Some might freak out about it at first considering how risky it is, but the way I see it is this: if you know what you’re doing, then go nuts; but if we all wipe, then most of us would probably blame the odd one in the group first. As with me, I’m always looking to see if something could be done more efficiently, often times with hefty risks involved. However, I realize that some people may not be on the same elevated field as me, so I’ll have to step down a bit so that I can help them get to my level.

In regards to the OP, I believe the proper word for that is “Elitist”. At least perfectionists still have some cognitive reasoning left in them, while elitists are a totally different world full of sugar, rainbows, and rage. I know my coworker is some sort of perfectionist and that certain things have to be done a certain way with certain tools and/or procedures. However, he can still be reasonable and take in some constructive criticism when needed. Elitists, on the other hand, have some very fragile egos and any form of criticism tends to strike even the most sensitive cords.

I think you were the guy that left our group a few days ago because there was a noob in there that couldn’t run from crusher to 2nd boss in path 3. Of course we all got kicked.

Actually we need to have some Life Force for DS at least 50%, sure it’s different than other professions but others easily make up for this.

As a Necro, DS supposedly makes up for… Lack of stability utility, lack of invulnerability skill, lack for an instant reliable blink, lack of low cd stun breaks and lack of a very essential vigor. The odds of you dying in a starting 1vs1 fight are very likely against equally skilled players.

your gain is my loss, I’d rather have dungeons than the events. I pretty much only run Arah and eventually I’ll have to do some mindly event zerging.

I wanted too but it’s too boring. Got a necro/warrior/mes/guardian to 80, was working on a theif and ele but it’s not too fun and crafting’s too expensive. Cool thing about multiple 80s is you can switch as needed in pugs. 4 Light classes? switch to a Guardian. Warriors/Guardians only? Mesmer works well with those. A group with mostly with low dps classes? Bring the zerker warrior.

Don’t know why but I just can’t stand elitists, people that kick because of inexperience, achievement points, people that expect you to know everything and give you kitten because of the first mistake but at their first sign of a mistake they find something or someone to blame, and specially people that kick because they are rangers/engineers.

I usually just run Arah, i have gotten over 5000 tokens, i have 2 full sets on my necro and when I run path 3 I accept anyone willing to learn. Usually my path 3 runs take about 30 minutes even with new people, much faster than the speed runs I’ve run with the more experienced that don’t like being told what to do. I explain what we are fighting, when we are running. If there’s a thief and a guardian I explain to stack, use shadow refugee and Retreat for any mob skipping we might do. I target mobs that we should focus on and explain to players what skills work best in Arah such as reflection wall for Mages/Hunters. It’s surprising how well the runs go. I consider myself more of a Leader and Guide and you sir are none of this.

what is necromancer?

Jzl.8715:

Iehova.9518:

Lupus is fine.

I’d love the last grub to be avoidable though, merely as a convenience.

Only the one at P1 and P2 phase transition could not be avoided.

that’s the last one

That’s pretty bad then, I knew something was wrong with the life force pool it wouldn’t soak as much damage as I thought and without vigor, utility stability or a reliable blink we need it to be 100% for necro to feel a little more balanced.

Someone should bring this in Game Discussion or Game Bugs, things get more attention from devs there than here that’s for sure.

So with 30 pts in soul reaping you get around 90% of your health in death shroud? since it’s believed to be 60% initially?

I agree staff shouldn’t be melee, but I think we do need a cleaving weapon, Axe makes the most sense and the animation is already there + it would put it on par with the rest of the weapons. people feel forced to take staff on power builds because of the lack of cleave in our melee weapons.

Monoman.2068:

Zogyark.4597:

My wishlist for necro is a weapon that cleaves, 1 utility that has stability or invulnerability, and some sort of way of gaining vigor, maybe turn the flesh wurm into an initial blink, the way it is now it’s too unreliable.

Blinking to a location and creating the flesh worm would be pretty awesome, possibly OP though.

Don’t see why, most classes have blink except warrior and they are instant. Only change it so when you destroy it you don’t teleport back to it if that’s the problem.

Lupicus is great, which I had a mini of him.

Rather than improving the old ones I’d like new ones or Hard Mode for the other ones as long as there’s none of that agony crap. Took long enough to get the ones out there with as few bugs as it is now to just bring more bugs

My wishlist for necro is a weapon that cleaves, 1 utility that has stability or invulnerability, and some sort of way of gaining vigor, maybe turn the flesh wurm into an initial blink, the way it is now it’s too unreliable.

So I tried to solo with a Necro, it’s quite the challenge. I can manage to get to phase 3 but then it all goes down to a fight for survival. The lack of vigor hurts necros a lot, no invul skills does not help. and the unreliable only blink we have will not be lucky to survive to have him when you need him. There is no room for mistake on phase 2 because of lack of vigor and especially in phase 3, I tried ranging him and being close to the same outcome which was not survive over a few mins to the huge HP he has left.

Not retraiting in dungeon also sucks, so I’ll try tomorrow with a different build, I was using the stability when in DS btw.

Life force does not accumulate fast enough to be able to soak the damage needed, even with marks/10%from minion and 10% from spectral grasp.

Any advice from necros will be appreciated for phase 3.

I think it’s good that you are not playing for a while probably the best thing to do is come back when the scavenger hunt is out and get it then.

You know you don’t need to use specific utilities all the time, plan accordingly people.

How about wells and Minions? just switch them out depending on the situation, if you’re fighting a lot of mobs wells will probably be better, single target minions will win. But if you fight mobs with strong AOE minions might not be the best choice.

You can keep minions healed mostly with staff #2 with reduction on staff skills and some healing accessories as long as they are not focused, if you have high toughness mobs will usually be going after you instead of the minions.

Personally I went with a Guardian for my 2nd alt. It’s just nice to have in a group when there’s none, they can carry a team pretty well. I like playing with my necro more, but if I see a group full of light classes in a pug I def switch out to my guardian just to make sure we finish the dungeon without problems.

A mesmer of course is nice if you run with an experienced group and there’s no mesmer, it will speed up your run greatly to have one.

To be honest I think people should represent when willing to do a run, sure you can whisper everyone but it just doesn’t feel right to me, I get a lot of “I’ve done it for today, or not enough time”, or just get ignored so posting in gw2lfg seems easier. I think representing when wanting to find a group or do a run would help more, but I think a chat system like vent would be better, that way we could get to know members better.

I used to feel that way, after 43 laurels I finally missed a daily, after that I lost that feeling and just do whatever I want which in my case is dungeons. Now I don’t complete the daily unless it’s very easy, of course I’m falling behind but whatever, that’s how this system works with this ascended bullkitten I never thought they’d add.

First 12 hrs of the headstart the game was unavailable for a lot of people along with connection problems and lag for the next 2-3 days. There were broken events and skill points not working for about a month or so, some even stayed for over 3 months (like shadow behemoth was broken), along with no trading post so there was a lot of player to player transactions. Plenty of bots back then also and plenty of class bugs some which are still not fixed sadly (like necro minions AI) Still the game has come a long way since then.