Uplevelling in WvW isn’t so bad, except against high burst opponents. Any thief is going to make you a priority target, for example.
The only adjustment I would make Is to improve the amount of toughness that the uplevelling process gives. I know, for example, that my killshots will hit for a significantly larger amount against an uplevel target and that suggests that their damage reduction is very poor.
Mostly, though, if you are uplevelled and run around with the main zerg of your force, you will probably be ok and able to contribute, so as a system its still fairly effective. It just needs some slight adjustment.
They should have been ascended. Considering the time involved and the fact that for many, WvW is their endgame, that would have been fitting. Most of us are using ascended anyhow and its not top tier.
PvP tournament players, of course, get legendaries apparently.
Legendary = 2500 gold approx
Exotic = 2 Gold if you are lucky
Don’t need to do the math to see which of these tournaments is more valued.
I got close to getting my legendary, except for the precursor and eventually figured I would have a lot more enjoyment if I just sold all the mats I was collecting and bought other things. Got myself some cultural armour tier 3, which looks nice on an asura as it has glowy parts and I bought all sorts of other items, skins and things with the money I made from the materials I had collected. Also maxed some trade skills and made some ascended things as well.
This was helped by the fact that the legendary I wanted, the predator, was steampunk themed and didn’t really work on my asura…it was also laughably tiny, when on other races it scales to be a good size. My asura can hold the shoulder stock of that rifle in one of her tiny hands, which is all kinds of wrong.
Basically, legendary weapons just are not worth it at their current cost and you can buy a whole larger lot of “happy/fun” with a fraction of the money one requires.
I doubt anyone considered that the stats on these items were important. Exotic weapons are basically junk and mistforged is primarily valuable for the skin.
If these weapons were intended for the stats, then mistforged weapons would have been ascended.
Be thankful, considering that there are servers out there that use DDOS….this could get a whole lot more serious.
Is that a threat? Is that wise?
“Grab some popcorn, this gonna be good!”
=^_^=
Its a statement of truth. In both seasons we have seen that some servers had players on them who turned to those means in order to get a win. Their only motivation is to get the prize at the end of the tournament and if they are prepared to use those things during play, there is every reason to suspect that they may well continue to do so.
One of the other problems is that it wasn’t 9 weeks or normal play – it was nine weeks of highly competitive stress. The nature of tournament WvW is that people go to great lengths to win and are placed against others who are doing the same.
We saw players who turned to cheating in order to win, spies, betrayal and vicious arguments among server commanders as they tried to get strategy functional. By the end of the nine weeks everyone was physically and mentally drained, having had both against the enemy and against their colleagues, many of whom had to be told in no uncertain terms that they had to shape up.
By the end of it, we were all glad it was over, that’s how unpleasant an experience it was becoming, due to its length and to its challenges. We sweated blood for this reward and I`d say we deserve it more than the e-sports glamour squads and their legendaries (especially as our reward is at best an exotic weapon with a vaguely nice skin).
If there is one thing WvW players are good at, its fighting despite being badly treated and that’s what you are seeing here. We wont be giving up this fight any time soon and if that means taking it to the forums, then so be it. Be thankful, considering that there are servers out there that use DDOS….this could get a whole lot more serious.
Can you get a champion veteran novice I wonder?
I levelled a necro recently to use for WvW and the trait system was frustrating. I had to grind it to 80 before I could unlock enough to learn the class properly. It should be that we learn it as we go, but it doesn’t work like that at all now.
I want to see at what point the white knights decide that a complaint on the delay is justified. We went from….
“You`ll get your prizes on June second, a few days wait is nothing to complain about”
to…
“You`ll get them at the end of the week, it’s just be a few days more, stop whining”
and now we are at….
“Two weeks is nothing, you`ll get them eventually, stop being entitled”
What about when a month passes? Can we complain then without appearing somehow spoiled, entitled or ungrateful?
I`ve seen the reverse of this. I have been in one area, moved round a corner, come back and suddenly there is a node there.
I have also mined a node (completely), left it for a few minutes, returned to the area and found it completely restored.
Neither involved me changing map, I just moved so that the area was out of sight for a while and then on return, the change was there and I remember being shocked by it the first few times.
I wonder how long this will take to resolve. On Piken Square hardly any of us are logging on for the current matchup, mainly because the one thing we worked for – we didn’t get, so nobody sees the point of it at the moment.
I am stuck in my radiant outfit with a big red sword and its painful having to run around without the mistforge weapon I adjusted my wardrobe for.
There is no sense of closure to the season and it is making play an unpleasant experience.
It’s a tricky one really, as Red is equally troublesome when in the hands of the strongest server. When given to such a server it makes for an incredibly strong offensive platform.
Dont be disappointed though…even some of us that done WvW still cant get our skins due to bug :/
If only it were just some, but all of us are stopped from getting our skins at the moment, with no sign of them in sight.
One of the reasons everyone is taking this so hard is that WvW players have nothing left.
We lost the matchups forum, so we cant discuss the battles with those involved. We don’t get updates that we desperately need like the very simple adjustment of having commander tags in 3 colours and the rewards we get for often days of time invested are terrible in comparison to killing a single boss in 5 mins of pve.
So the one thing we should be getting, ie our reward for the 9 weeks of often tremendous time investment – is not here – for anyone.
How is it a surprise that people are up in arms with unhappiness?
Its a troublesome skill. While its fairly easy to avoid being pulled off a wall, the more awkward side is when people spam it to pull people off of arrow carts and other defences.
Keep the skill as it is, but make it so that anyone on siege is anchored to the siege they are using. Its hard enough to defend a tower, more so when they can effectively block you from using siege that is otherwise positioned to resist all but the largest aoe circles.
i lol’ed at those who bought CoL at 1k++ gold
^ pretty much this but lol’d harder.
Best not to laugh yet….initial reports seem to indicate that the drop rate may still be incredibly low, despite changes.
Reminds me of the adjustments to ascended boxes from guild missions and wvw. Even after the change you will be lucky to see one in solid months of trying.
I seem to recall these ingredients as being significant for creating dyes with cookery – perhaps this is the reason they have vanished?
I get the same thing on my staff user. I think of them as “Furry Ear Cups”.
As I`m about to get myself a mistforge weapon, I`ve been getting out my radiant pieces as they should be a good match for the white, ethereal sort of look.
This topic is old, but the issue remains and with the mistforge arrival on the third of june it has new relevance. I would ask that this issue be looked at again as reaching the mistforge greaves is beyond most people, despite having invested in a lot of game-time.
Can we please have a rethink of where these items are in terms of the AP costs and could they be retroactively put to where they really should be, so that folk reaching the ten thousand mark have something realistic to aim for an can continue building their radiant (or fiery) sets at a steady rate?
I levelled a necro to 80 with the new system and it was a horrible experience.
I found that the only time I could actually make use of my traits was by the time I was level 80. Before that they were given out so seldom and were so capped that they basically did not work.
Must be cautious. We did go through a period during the culling change where we couldn’t actually see AOE effects at all. The result was people dieing for no visible reason and having no ability to avoid the fields.
I am still waiting for them to implement the results of the commander discussion.
- Where are the several colours of commander tag?
I am on piken and got a 2nd place achievement and a chest with 450 tickets.
But then what is the sense of tournament if everyone get same rewards ?
There is no sense of tournament already when half the teams don’t stand a chance of winning
Not saying everyone should be rewarded exactly the same, but think they should at least get 300 tickets for a shiny weapon.
Gold, siver, bronze medals….league and test trophies…..they give them to the best teams or athletes and the other contenders get another chance next time, hopefully getting better over time. That’s how it works the world over.
Its a terrible event, made more terrible by being the carcass of a once enjoyable event.
Commanders tend to be people who consider -
1. The big picture – why are we doing X?
2. The task – how do we achieve X?
3. The outcome – What does achieving X do for us?
These are exactly the sort of people who realised that…
1. The boss blitz has no real meaning.
2. The boss blitz requires organisation but the tools to do it are crude or not present.
3. The boss blitz rewards still suck and chaos of lyssa, the big reward, isn’t part of it.
Basically, commanders realised very early on that they had better things to do and were followed about a minute later in this realisation by most of the playerbase.
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If ArenaNet seriously just wanted to stop its players from getting loot, then why can I still log in > kill one enemy > get loot.
Hmmm.
I imagine you’re upset not that you can’t get loot, rather that your precious hamster wheel system of farming for loot was destroyed or damaged. QQ
Actually, if you kill a mob, there is a fair chance it wont drop anything at all, even a ruined item. I spent a good amount of time farming skelks in southsun in an attempt to get some tier 6 mats and I could kill several skelks and not see a drop of any sort.
Don’t fret. If the drop chance is too rare, Anet will adjust it.
One would hope this to be true.
What it sounded like to me was Kiel gone all politician, forcing herself to be jocular and effusive like a PR flack. And thus sounding all sorts of insincere.
She is just showing her true colours – Evon should have been in her place and he would be working hard to get lions arch back on its feet.
Kiel is just slimy.
Add to this that….
1. The Chaos of Lyssa item requires – lots of damask (silly amounts of cloth)
2. The new vendors in labyrinthine cliffs are sucking up all types of materials.
….and its a recipe for horrendous price shock across the boards. We were already not getting in enough materials to meet demand, causing price hikes and now these things are all in place to eat up what little supply there was. Anyone trying to make ascended armour or a legendary is going to find it even harder and more costly than usual to the point where its beyond the reach of pretty much anybody.
Anet made decent loot appear so rarely that players became akin to starving people, desperately gorging on champion boxes in the faint hope that something appeared in them. The champ train was a symptom of player “reward starvation” and a large amount of learned helplessness. Why do complex events like tequatl and 3 headed wurm when those give next to nothing in return. Far better to simply run round in a boring circle while watching tv and to collect a hundred champ boxes in the hope of something by raw force of numbers.
GW2 is built around giving nothing and taking all our time and the culmination of this is events like the new queens gauntlet, which are the perfection of this punishing philosophy.
We learned that the mystic forge hates us. We learned that RNG hates us, but now we don’t event get drops in our events for the rng to happen in.
The game hates us – that’s how I feel at the moment and I don’t understand how it can have come to this. I want to play, but its as if I am being told to go play something else – why is this?
I am pretty upset at how the queens gauntlet event has been gutted. Why are we now at the point where getting any sort of reward is seen as unacceptable in the game design? There are no tier materials, despite the fact that we are crying out for them to be lowered in price. There are no drops of any kind except for an occasional token (I got one of these tokens off a mob during a boss blitz and we were killing them constantly in the crossfire).
Then we get the actual rewards. This event either requires a huge time investment or a tactical investment beyond that of tequatl to split the players across the bosses. That is once people have paid to trigger the event, which is abhorrent in itself. The rewards you could eventually get are just terrible beyond belief.
Why are we even doing these events. What actually is the point, because progression, fun and challenge have all been cast aside. This event is more akin to a punishment than a fun, rewarding and productive activity. I do not understand how the design intention can go this wrong unless we as players are being actively discouraged from play and that makes no sense.
I was surprised at the level to which this event has been degraded in its design.
1 – Doesn’t drop tier 5 and 6 mats (which we desperately need due to horrible pricing at the moment)
2 – Apparently expects group splitting, but lacks any means to assist players in doing that.
3 – Terrible rewards that in no way match the time and effort the event requires.
4 – Bosses that are uneven in difficulty and that usually punish melee.
5 – Having to pay to begin the event.
Needless to say, it could only really be worse if it, say, permanently killed our characters on death or something similarly disastrous. As it is, there is just no reason to do this and I`m already seeing people simply going elsewhere.
The nature of this has also made painfully clear how poor the rewards for the bosses are. Jormag is just awful and at the end we are lucky if we get a yellow and from that we are lucky if we get an ecto or two.
… that would screw many people out of a decent reward that they payed a ton of gold or even money for.
I trimmed that quote to highlight the part I was rather alarmed by. Personally, I do not like the idea of someone paying – hopping to a winning server – and then feeling that they have a right to the rewards that have been hard won by the players on that server.
Transfers this late in the season shouldn’t give entitlement to anything imho.
I sympathise. Events like tequatl often seem to trigger some sort of “server shock” when they begin and it does disconnect people at that time. Maybe its everyone suddenly moving and activating abilities at once, I don’t know, but its definitely a real phenomenon (often coupled with a second or two of mini lag).
With megaserver issues on top of this….its a painful combination.
Its out of whack and that’s why we are seeing goldsellers springing up again in large amounts.
My main bugbear is things like bag slots as their price has gone up considerably, in real terms.
Personally, I want an option for a subscription option that unlocks all that nonsense. I don’t want to play the game for “free”, because currently I end up paying the amount of a subscription and still lack some basic things like bag slots when I create a new character.
So give us a subscription option and the ability to support the game while avoiding all the annoying bag and bank slot nonsense please.
I have 400 ranks and have only ever seen one ascended box drop and that was for a weapon. A previous poster in this topic had 800 ranks and had seen two boxes drop from his rankups.
What we really need is for ascended armour and weapon boxes to appear more frequently than they do. Time put into WvW should be the currency we use to get decent weapons and armour….but compared to PvE, our time is apparently worthless.
Perhaps edge of the mist is why the megaserver thing never moved into WvW itself with a three faction matchup. Arenanet likely saw how destructive the effect of having no commitment to a wvw side was and decided against it.
Edge of the mist turned WvW into the queensdale champion train and that’s pretty horrific.
Does this mean that sovereign weapons will be making a return? While most look plain terrible, there are some (the one handed sword) that are rather nice.
The problem is that with the huge changes to boss rotation and the megaserver a lot of people have become disconnected from the “old content” that they filled their time with and enjoyed doing.
There is a real disconnect out there and while the players could usually survive that a fair while, with the situation as it is, things are not good.
Player knows that buying gem store dyes is gambling.
Player gambles and loses.
Player is upset, argues that the result is unfair, and demands market intervention.These posters are either conniving (they’re not really upset, but just trying to find a way to mitigate gambling losses) or perfect examples of why economics based on the myth of a “rational person” is complete bunk.
No, they are players who wanted to get a dye related to the living story and who were forced to use an unreliable method of acquiring them. The gamble part should be in that you get a “random dye from the new set”, not “maybe a dye from the new set”.
When I used to open up unidentified dyes, I would have felt cheated if, instead of a dye, I got a copper ingot. If that was the only way to get dyes, then it would be unfair to attack people who complained by saying they knew the odds.
Knowing the odds doesn’t make it fair when the only game in town is crooked.
I like the idea put forward by previous posters of a dye pack that offers a guaranteed special dye that is account bound. I am even happy for gemstore items that use a currency that is only real money purchased and not available for gold.
The idea of paying real money for an item is that you fund the game and in exchange get some sort of cosmetic bonus you actually want. The game is currently not managing to do this and it upsets people, paying people, who are the ones that have the power to keep the game going.
We really need to disconnect some of the store from the gold economy, because at the moment it is causing a lot of unnecessary problems.
I bought five of the flame and frost dyes when they returns and didn’t get a single one of the special dyes.
If I go to the cash shop for team fortress 2 and pay real money for a hat – I get a hat.
If I go to to the gw2 cash shop and pay gems to get a new dye….chances are I don’t.
That didn’t leave me feeling good and now, whenever I see dye packs on offer, I don’t buy them. I would say I am far from alone in that and thus far the only special dye I have I paid gold for to get direct. I would much rather have been surprised with an interesting dye from the selection to try out and perhaps be given some new ideas with.
Everyone loved opening dyes and these packs should really be the “you`ve got some spare gems, go get a fun surprise item”. As it is they are the “you’ve just wasted your spare gems item” instead.
I really don’t understand the new helm and shoulders, especially the helm. We already have a helmet for the “oversized horns” theme as part of Braham’s armour set and that one actually looks like something a norn might wear.
This thing looks very strange indeed. It really does have the look of a power rangers monster as people have said, for the horns are a bizarre shape and the rest of the armour has stubby bits on that are suggestive of power cells or generic sci fi nodules.
The toxic shoulder and arms looked like what they were supposed to be. They had glowy bits, they had a clear theme and people could justify buying them. The scarlet parts matched the helm and had glowy techno bits, they also matched some asura armour….but these are just out of nowhere.
I like the idea of the cash shop and paying to make my character look cool, but the things on offer are so bizarre that nobody in their right mind would actually but them, even with gold. They probably wouldn’t wear these items if even they were free.
It shouldn’t be hard to come up with an idea that will sell on the cash shop. Heck, everyone went mad for the monocles, lets make another one of them and people will buy it. People liked the grenth hood too. Why is it proving so hard to match up what we clearly want with what is being put in the store?
I noticed on reddit the other day when people were saying to craft rusttooth to get hold of the sigil.
Considering that the scrolls are 50 skill points each, I didn’t feel it was worth it for the reward.
I arrived in rata sum last night and realised that I had no idea where I was . By that I mean that I couldn’t recognised any of the guild names around me and there was a French conversation going on in mapchat.
Then I went to WvW because there I knew the people I was playing with and we all had common purpose. The only place my server exists anymore is EB and the borderlands.
As I am in an wvw guild I have orders not to invite people from “other servers” as they cant wvw together for guild activities. I was surrounded by people I knew I couldn’t build a relationship with, couldn’t get to know and invite to my guild etc.
Damaging communities like this is going to make people like this game a whole lot less, it is meant to be a shared experience with people you can grow closer to….instead it has become filled with strangers that may as well by npc’s because all they are is background colour to stop me feeling alone.
Well it doesn’t work – I felt more alone than ever till I went back to wvw and I am guessing even that will be faction based and not server based soon.
If there is going to be a golem trap, then it is likely to be some sort of movement paralysis or stun trap rather than actually causing damage to the golems.
The problem with golem attacks is that they can be overwhelmingly swift and thus no defence can be raised in time to protect the capture spot. Something that slows the golems is a fair potential counter to this.
An alternative is some sort of sensor trap that marks approaching enemy golems on the map. That way careless defenders can still be caught out, but servers with decent map checking scouts will see the signs of the attack much earlier.
Its a curious thing, but piken getting the initial third place has actually been a real blessing for the server. We’ve been able to avoid the gand-wagon in our matchups and were given quite an easy second week to recover from an initial slapping.
Had piken gotten second in that first matchup, we would likely have been stuck with gandara for the next few weeks and had our score effectively destroyed.
A bit like getting a vaccination. We had a quick shot of Gandara and should now hopefully be protected from them for the rest of the season.