Guild Wars 2

Greener.6204:

kdaddy.5431:

When there is no way to get them except from dailies and mystic forge and a event no one really does anymore.

And that Anet and many are saying ohhh such and such are hoarding them, who cares?

I dont care if there 20 players with 500,000 gold and 100,000 gems. If im one of the 1,000 players trying to get gold and gems with no other way of getting them. I look at it as a slight problem.

Yes there are ways to get gold in Gw2 im just trying to address a potential situation.

But that’s the beauty of the mystic coins. It’s a currency which is handed out to everyone equally. No account can receive more than other accounts because the supply is based on you logging in (yes, the events are negligible). If you PvE, PvP, WvW, or any combination of those, you’ll get the same amount as everyone else.

There’s another currency which acts in this manner: Laurels. You know what’s bad about laurels? They’re account bound. If you have too many, you can’t give them away. If you don’t have enough, you’re SoL. Mystic Coins can be bought and sold between players at an agreed upon price, and it’s happening now at a tremendous rate of volume.

Are there some people who think the price is too high? Are there some that think the price is too low? Of course, it’s called a bell curve. Given that supply is still easily matching demand, it seems that the current price is satisfactory for a very large number of buyers and sellers. Only when that large number of players becomes dissatisfied with the price will it move.

It’s those players that you can try to talk to about “a potential situation.” You’ll have to convince all of those buyers and sellers that the price which they just agreed upon for mystic coins was somehow wrong. Frankly though, I don’t think it’s anyone’s place to tell someone else what they can or cannot spend their money on, nor what price they should be paying. If they come to a mutual agreement, they shouldn’t be stopped. They’re content, but you’re not. I’m sorry you feel that way, but welcome to my side of the bell curve; I can’t afford them either.

Thats all fine and dandy but if I was to point something out. People on this very thread talk about having multiple accounts just for mystic coins.

People talk about a small portion of the community controlling the TP.

We all know this happens thanks to the INSIDER TRADING issues Anet had.

Thats why i would just like to discuss it. I have no problem with MC being kitten silver each sure. But 1 gold just seams like Anet doesnt care anymore.

You bring up other things but let me just say. Anet just guild halls where suppose to be a new fun mechanic. I have personally dumped over 500mc to the guild toilet (cough) i mean hall to upgrade WvW items that i previously had in Core GW2.

Its like a candy bar, some people who raid/PvE are very rich. Make hundreds of gold a day. Candy bar is still 1 dollar. WvW and PvP players before this league season made very little money. Maybe 25-50 gold a week. That candy bar is still a dollar.

Now im not saying mystic coins are candy bars but maybe they dont have to be air plane engines. I mean 1 gold per each and lets say your making the shoulder pc and a legendary and the shoulder pc takes 150 and the legendary takes 300. That is 450 gold on a time based item.

All im saying is that “I FEEL” that they are far too expensive and that they keep putting them in all the recipes without any way of people earning them in a normal fashion. If Anet had a actual gambling system fine but we have a RNG system.

Emdrix.6124:

kdaddy.5431:

Emdrix.6124:

Because winning against low rated players dosent give much MMR. Why its so hard to understand??

The next question becomes why is this person playing low MMR players if he is 8-2.

They should have the ability to play higher ranked players to get a more accurate MMR.

For instance i know a player who went 13-3 and is a former number 1 solo que player as well as top 200 team que player in the old system who is currently ranked in the top 150 when players are 25-23 are above him.

There is a hidden MMR in the placement matches. He played low rated players because he was low rated from the start to begin with. T

Of course but the reason why people are losing it is because of this.

Many players are going 8-2, 9-1 10-2 etc etc etc.

Yet they are not allowed to face better players so they can accurately examine themselves and it shows the negative side of the match making.

For instance a player i know went 7-3 and ended up with a rating under 1600. That person i believe is now 17-6 and is still right under 1600.

There are just so many people with incredible win rates.

You can point MMR but Anet needs to give everyone a fair system to grade themselves on. Maybe not throw them to the dogs and have them face ESL levels players right off the bat but maybe this 1400 rating person face 1600 and 1700 players next.

Also it explains why Anet isnt showing ratings. If i have 2 silvers and 2 bronze on my team and im in platinum and im facing 1 legendary and 4 silvers. That becomes a issue as well as the current post of players having a 80-90% win rate and asking why they have to start in silver which is a fair question to ask.

Im sorry i havent PvP more but to give a heads up to everyone.

We qued together and one game we had 2druids, 1 DH. I was playing ele at mid and when anyone went down at mid i was the only person to rez. Having a druid in ranked should mean search and rescue or a DH F3 skill but all 3 would “f” button must of been broken.

Also when we had corners and Misscee was at home defending the druids and DH would run to mid and not help defend the cap point we already had.

We won the next game but It would be nice if Anet had some of the GW1 game replays because there is some issues with players across all tiers but those bronze matches stand out.

fishball.7204:

1. Pay your team mates 200g to “Disconnect” if you look like you might lose

2. Duo Q with a reliable player at 5am EST to farm solo Q players 300 rating below you

3. Add all of Toker’s alts so you can queue dodge

Dude is a monster.

Also doesnt he have like 5 accounts? Can someone give me a accurate heads up.

Emdrix.6124:

Because winning against low rated players dosent give much MMR. Why its so hard to understand??

The next question becomes why is this person playing low MMR players if he is 8-2.

They should have the ability to play higher ranked players to get a more accurate MMR.

For instance i know a player who went 13-3 and is a former number 1 solo que player as well as top 200 team que player in the old system who is currently ranked in the top 150 when players are 25-23 are above him.

sexuallegend.2153:

Your stats don’t mean anything to me at all. I’ve fought thousands of players, thousands of different attempts, attitudes, strategies. I’ve bested them all and I can count on one hand the number of times I’ve been left on the tail end in the past 4 years playing this game. Sure I talk a lot, but I best too lot. You talk way too much for someone with an empty pvp resume

YES, get him and put him in his place!

Greener.6204:

kdaddy.5431:

I just wanted to talk again about manipulation of the TP.

I have a guild mate who bought flawless snowflakes at 80 copper before the event.

They got as high as 1silver and 82 copper i think.

Well at one point the snow flakes got to 1s 53c and they look like it would sit here.

Well another guild chat decided to raise the price of them so about 5-6 people from this other guild bought X amount of snow flakes so quick sell was now at 1s 46c and the set rate was around 1s 88c.

That’s not manipulation, that’s people deciding if it’s cheaper to buy 32 tiny snowflakes or 1 flawless snowflake.

(32 × 2c)/0.85 = 75c (the 80c mark you mentioned)
(32 × 3c)/0.85 = 113c
(32 × 4c)/0.85 = 151c (the 153c mark)
(32 × 5c)/0.85 = 188c (the 188c mark)

Of course of course but im talking the alternative motive they had since they bought them to resell at higher price.

I know a few people who play the TP for there gold. A few make thousands of gold a week but then again they are spending that much every week.

Regardless im just trying to say that people saying MC are fine because XYZ is fine but i find it crazy.

When there is no way to get them except from dailies and mystic forge and a event no one really does anymore.

And that Anet and many are saying ohhh such and such are hoarding them, who cares?

I dont care if there 20 players with 500,000 gold and 100,000 gems. If im one of the 1,000 players trying to get gold and gems with no other way of getting them. I look at it as a slight problem.

Yes there are ways to get gold in Gw2 im just trying to address a potential situation.

sephiroth.4217:

Justine.6351:

I don’t really care for the beasts. If people cant pvp the match they pve it. Well that’s brilliant.

90% of the time when I’m salty or logging off PvP it’s because a game was won by doing PvE instead of PvP…. I, the player, want to fight other players when I sign up for PvP, go figure right?

Its a side mechanic.

It takes coordination and communication to kill lord. If you got 5 air heads not watching the mini map gates or people sitting on ledges or in team fights where its 2-3 people trying to kill 1 that stuff happens.

The beast burst kill is a thing too with thieves and burn guardians being the beast at it but even they will not get it from another class timing the kill shot.

I mean its why no one likes Kylo, there is no real 2nd mechanic to change the tides.

So many people quit or get mad after the initial zerg fight. These 3 other maps temple-legacy-forest are the fave because they have everything.

I understand people getting mad but most people ignore beasts till the end or because they are dominating. Alot of people like legacy simply because no match potentially is out of range. And temple is my favorite because it takes the most team work and people watching there mini maps and the timer.

I just wanted to talk again about manipulation of the TP.

I have a guild mate who bought flawless snowflakes at 80 copper before the event.

They got as high as 1silver and 82 copper i think.

Well at one point the snow flakes got to 1s 53c and they look like it would sit here.

Well another guild chat decided to raise the price of them so about 5-6 people from this other guild bought X amount of snow flakes so quick sell was now at 1s 46c and the set rate was around 1s 88c.

Ill say again im fine with mystic coins being some what expensive. But my goodness 1 gold seems like alot when Anet keeps throwing it at every new thing coming out.

I decided to save up my mystic coins and just make it in the coming months. Im not gonna spend 138gold to make a shoulder pc.

I mean PvP for the first time is actually making me money. So i am gonna get some other things done.

Like another thing i wanted for guild halls was mini games.

For instance some guildies have moved onto GTA5 and when they get frustrated with the game. They actually just play golf in the game. There is a group personal best score and other things. ( i dont play it i just hear them talk about in voice chat)

I really wished scribing would give me something. For instance the ability to give us actual mini games that we could craft for the guild hall.

Like someone else pointed out, to make a shrub for 12g is pretty insane and the idea for small guilds to enjoy the guild halls grows weaker and weaker.

Guild hall items to me need to have some type of interaction. I mean i had one guild member make the giant musical orchestra and he basically said well im done. He placed it off in the distance so you could hear the music but hasnt bothered.

This item needs to have multiple options for music like a boom box/ juke box.

You shouldnt spend hundreds of gold on a item that just sits there. (this item took the gift of magic or something and the gift of music)

The hologram dancers should have multiple dances to the music that can potentially be played.

Just so many things i wanted from guild halls but I personally just get frustrated after making a item.

Romgaard.1965:

so the conclusion is that warrior have 0 viable supportbuilds/carry builds?
and warriors should just stick to what we do best, kill kitten?

Warrior has no support builds and well you are correct.

If you are serious about moving its 2 stances, head butt, with mace-shield and greatsword.

Its defense-discipline-beserker and rmember this is your only option since build diversity is a dead atm.

Just to throw this out here.

I play dagger/war horn shout ele and i had a group of 3 try to take lord and i alone was able to heal him up to about 80% when he was at about 50%.

There is simply a big issue with rotations and roles. People run around the map not thinking of where it would be best to rotate for everyone.

Lastly the beast kills are so crucial on knowing how to beat it. Ive had 4-5 games decided this year from a final beast kill. Those crucial games decide tiers which is good for game play.

fishball.7204:

I’m liking the system somewhat apart from some minor tweaks here and there. I’ve had way more close matches this season than any other season once people started settling into their placements.

Also bonus points is I get to see some of those pro league/streamers play solo/duo and actually see that they have a trash rating because they got carried by premades and can’t hold their own weight :^)

LOL which ones?

I just had Edison on my team yesterday and dude was crushing.

I really enjoyed the Xkratos video so just wondering who, maybe worth a watch

This is a odd thing to challenge.

Im 100% certain if he duo ques he would destroy.

I mean every so often i get some ESL player against me or on my team. Im pretty sure the 10-20 kill range with 1-2 deaths is a normal game.

Ive been running the taunt on beserker trait line since and running the +3% damage trait line instead of remove condi cleanse for these moments.

Without it you wont do enough cleave damage but with it if your position is right you can potentially stop it depending on the health of the engy or ranger.

You do realize that a few of us have made the same complaints just not at the same degree?

Like ive lost to a few of the people in the top 50 and i i lost -18,-19,-20. Then when i win i get +10-,11,12.

I even post some of the builds we lose too and my team mates refusals to swap to any other classes.

I got a +3 yesterday after a close win. Please alot of people are going threw this issue and not in the top 250.

Gwaihir.1745:

You ever que with PZ they always call someone on the team trash. It’s annoying when they think they’re great but still get hit by pubstomps. Some PZ guy went after our warrior during a match and the enemy team intervened in chat saying the warrior was doing fine, it was PZ who needed to play with the team.

ohhh no im not saying they are always right. Or that they are that much better to know so much more because they do not.

But i agree from a 5 vs 5 stand point. Warrior has no real identity since it isnt top 3 at anything.

For solo/duo que sure its a great and you can still out perform people by being better. With that said though, there is so much boom spam, Aoe heals and condi cleanses. We both know that when a warrior has to take stances to just be viable it wont out last the current healing of these other classes.

Shadowstep.6049:

kdaddy.5431:

Evan Lesh.3295:

Also all those games are on thief, maybe you could switch up your play a bit and then come back to thief.

Question is there anything in the match making to not let games like this happen?

I can post a few of these, i dont have the map kitten but i have a screen print of I playing ele and us having 3 DH’s and 1 switched to warrior and the 2 other DHs were bunker DHs.

Its not even me, i play ele for support if the team needs or i can play warrior.

Yet im getting 3 necros, 3dhs 3 thieves on my team and a majority of time none of them will switch.

supposedly according to white knights you will be on 3 dhs team eventually vs 3 thieves teams

(happens a lot to me and i have yet to see 3 thieves on enemy team in ranked in my entire 6k+ matches, i guess i didn’t play enough yet)

I wouldnt care if its unranked or hot join.

But its ranked and i have a rating and i was gonna fight for a top 250 spot and then the ship came crashing down with games like that.

Once again im ok not making the top 250 but i want to know why i cant see my team mates rankings, the other team rankings (badge wise), i want to know why i keep getting the 2 necro 2 thieves on my team when i que up as a warrior, i want to know why very few people at this rank are not able to play more then 1 class or even be good at 1 class.

For instance there is 1 thief on the 3 thief team that ive only had losses with. Would never say this person is the reason why but man when you go threw a 2-3 day stretch where you see this thief on the other team and win and then get him on your team and lose. I simply want to know this persons ranking to try and understand why.

When i had a pair of ESL players on my team we won 500-100. I gain 13, when i played a duo of the former number 1 player in NA i lose 18.

See i just want to understand. I get it i got 3 thieves 1 game and get slaughtered. And you are right i got 3 Dh’s literally 2-3 games later but 1 switched to warrior and the other 2 were bunkers. So i just have a question about MM that is explained not by white knights.

LouWolfskin.3492:

kdaddy.5431:

Evan Lesh.3295:

Also all those games are on thief, maybe you could switch up your play a bit and then come back to thief.

Question is there anything in the match making to not let games like this happen?

I can post a few of these, i dont have the map kitten but i have a screen print of I playing ele and us having 3 DH’s and 1 switched to warrior and the 2 other DHs were bunker DHs.

Its not even me, i play ele for support if the team needs or i can play warrior.

Yet im getting 3 necros, 3dhs 3 thieves on my team and a majority of time none of them will switch.

That would be class stacking and the mentality to switch ones character can hardly be boiled down in an algorhythm.
It’s a player issue, sadly.

Im just asking a question to see if they can see who is paying what class.

Ive been posting alot of screen prints lately to show hey its not just me noticing that 1 player who seems lost. Or hey you put 3 bunker DHs on my team before 1 switched. Or hey you have put me on a 3 thieves team 3 times.

Im all for if you want to say this is where i belong but i have questions.

PierPiero.9142:

Dawdler.8521:

Yep. Those 3 DH should definetly switch to 3 thieves or something. Its the players fault.

Matchmaking can be not perfect but if you remain in a situation in which the match is unfair it is also something you do. Balance is made through paper,scissor , rock rule and at start you have more than one minute to switch and adapt to the other team comp. One can not like paper scissor ,rock game … ok … but it is as is from start …

Balance should not be rock paper scissors.

If you play thief and you are a 10/10 on thief and i play DH and im a 6/10 on DH i should not beat you.

Balance comes from the give and take from a class, we dont have that because of necessary trait lines.

Besides that you cant blame a player base and say switch to druid if you see a DH but if you see a thief or mesmer switch to DH but switch to mesmer or thief when you see a druid.

It needs to be a skilled base game other wise everyone in here should just go play LOL/dota since there are fixed classes to give everyone there role before a match even starts.

Evan Lesh.3295:

Also all those games are on thief, maybe you could switch up your play a bit and then come back to thief.

Question is there anything in the match making to not let games like this happen?

I can post a few of these, i dont have the map kitten but i have a screen print of I playing ele and us having 3 DH’s and 1 switched to warrior and the 2 other DHs were bunker DHs.

Its not even me, i play ele for support if the team needs or i can play warrior.

Yet im getting 3 necros, 3dhs 3 thieves on my team and a majority of time none of them will switch.

Toasa.1236:

Remove or nerf those noob builds.

Im talking about no risk-high reward builds like condi mesmer, trap thief, The damage of Berserkers and dragonhunters aswell rev’s.

If you dont want to nerf the dmg, nerf survivability.

Lets create builds like power shatter mesmers or rifle engis or s/f eles.

lets make high risk high reward or low risk low reward builds….

New Players should be NOT able to kill good Players just because of the build.

The is a issue but not in the way you think.

This is a a picture of me dueling someone in a ranked match after a throw from some team mates.

Im running strength-discpline-beserker. I am not getting the 2nd endure the pain or heals or stability or cleansing ire from the defense trait line.

The problem in the game is it takes forever to kill a player in good team fights and it takes for ever to kill anyone in 1 vs 1 and 2 vs 2 when people know how to target and play.

The other problem is Anet match making, we should all pretty use to the Anet spam that is HOT.

Cerby.1069:

kdaddy.5431:

Cerby.1069:

anet too scared to buff things that are useless/obsolete. Cause they risk potentially making something ‘new’, that other classes haven’t had to fight against, too useful or powerful in some way.

People can kill warriors and they aren’t the top of the top….. so no changes is the best way to keep a sense of balance

Ok i guess, you just have EU player named lord helseth calling warrior a trash class.

I mean nothing better then being the worst class season 1-2 and potentially S5.

um, okay…sure.

Warrior by design has always been a solo kind of class. So I get it, with our current insane sustain, why people would call them trash classes for pvp. I mean we do our own thing, and we have the sustain to do it. So frustrated players who don’t have proper teammtes will go off on their own as warriors and try to do everything on their own. Which is great, but it just has limitations given how warriors fight. So an organized buff sharing crew of 5 is gonna beat a team with warriors on it generally.

So he’s calling the profession trash on the basis that it is selfish. Whereas the other classes spend alot of their builds buffing teammates, warrior spends it all on themselves and then complains when they don’t win blaming others for not being as amazing as they are incombat (cause thats what people who solo que ranked do in pvp)

We don’t provide much to our teammates though so….really warriors don’t have a place when it comes to standing in circles in a 5v5 pvp fight.

No he calls it trash because at the highest levels warrior isnt top 3 at anything.

You are right warrior is a selfish class atm but it wasnt always with shoutbow.

In 1 vs 1 warrior is probably the 3rd best option for it. With mesmers/revs/DH,rangers being in the class of warrior.

Then you talk team fights and it goes to the bottom. I mean every class in the game atm brings more to the table then warrior in the 5 vs 5 scene.

The only people who call warrior Op at anything are people who are probably new to the game or dont face warriors. It can be frustrating but every class in the game has alot of passives now. Warriors passives are weaker because they can be countered.

There is no counter to distortion. So at the highest levels of play warrior is not a top player anywhere and its a selfish build.

Azure The Heartless.3261:

kdaddy.5431:

my team mates chased 1 burn guard off point.

Shift click mid, remind them to hold mid if they get kited. If they want blood tell them he’ll be back. (Hold mid, he’ll be back)

The necro pushed far and i went to heal him (playing ele) .

We ended up facing 3 of them because we had just killed them at mid.

Should have let necro die and encourage him to come mid on respawn. Its ok to let them learn that pushing far on necro isnt something you do when team just wiped.

So while all that happened, our DH, mes and warrior lost a 2 vs 3 at home which then turned into a 3 cap for them.

Sorry, can’t help you there. two heavies should have taken home.

Just my cheap opinion. I’d rather let one person push far and die than go to help him, die myself, and have people struggling at mid because opponent just respawned and only needed one, two people to dedicate to you.

My team was the (3) in the 2 vs 3.

I and the necro held 3 far and actually killed 1 at far. Only when the necro respwaned and come back did we eventually lose.

Our warrior, DH, mesmer lost to a engy and ranger at home. Had they won they simply rotate to mid and engage the next 3 vs 3.

We actually saw all 3 of them die respawn and try again to 2 died and 1 peeled off to mid.

The numbers were even across the board and if we were all of equal skill we would of maintained the 2 cap the whole way threw. Instead we got 3 capped.

Also im playing ele, im there to support not to sit mid. Going far with the necro gave us +5 for killing a enemy necro in a 2 vs 3.

At no point is saying the necro shouldnt have gone (which is true) makes up for the fact that my team (3) couldnt win a 3 vs 2.

Mushin.3928:

I also think it would be nice if all ratings were displayed. It could be done at the end of the match so there was less opportunity for blamestorming, since most people leave the match quickly after it ends. People could still salt-whisper you, but there is always the report/block button for that case.

Im pretty sure they took that away so they could match up anyone with anyone. I atm still in gold 3 (wont be for long) but i have seen the duo ques of some of the top 10 players and the highest ive reached was platinum 1.

Also ive had team mates who are friends and even though i preferred to have them on my team. ( we were both solo queing ) They had ratings in the high 1200 which is literally 400 points behind me and possible more of someone else in the match.

It why im complaining pretty hard on the forums. Yes Anet gave us a better league system.

But as predicated they gave us a even worse match making system.

So i would like to add another.

Today i played 3 games in ranked went 1-2. Ive now fallen below 1600. We should of won all 3 but 3rd game instead of running to a team mate to support my team mates chased 1 burn guard off point.

This picture is the 2nd match where we owned home and mid. The necro pushed far and i went to heal him (playing ele) . We ended up facing 3 of them because we had just killed them at mid. So we are fighting and we end up killing the necro in the 2 vs 3. Making it a 2 vs 2 for a period of time and then eventually losing to a 2 vs 3.

So while all that happened, our DH, mes and warrior lost a 2 vs 3 at home which then turned into a 3 cap for them. On paper this looks like a good game, we lost like 488-500. But this would of never happened had the 3 players at home lost a 3 vs 2.

This is where i need to learn how to get better. How do i win these fights where i am not there or how do i win these fights playing 1class/role and the other player im supporting just randomly changes target even though the person he was killing is finally low on health.

I need to learn those skills.

Well good im happy that you are enjoying PvP, you seemed very unhappy for a long time so, nice.

I guess if its not just me i guess i should get gud.

Your words of wisdom has made me realize its all my fault.

If you cant beat them you should join them.

Shaogin.2679:

Wow, I feel bad for ya there. Yeah, it should be clearly obvious those players do not belong in platinum. So either you got matched with lower ranked players, or the system failed to rank them where they belong. But without being able to see other player’s mmr and gain/loss at the end of the match, it’s just confusing and frustrating.

And omg “I’m clerics”. Like seriously? Your heart had to sink a little as that match was starting.

Wow its like you knew, yeah i kind of dropped.

here is the thing at 1 point we had home and mid and the bunkers chased to get a kill and didnt get it (obviously) and we got decapped. I shouldnt say this but i quit mid match at the mid point because the 2 DH wouldnt leave each other.

At 1 point we had 4 home me sitting mid looking looking at 1 on the ledge and running around to our lord and we couldnt win that home fight.

Im seeing these players in Gold 3 and platinum 1. I dont know what to do.

I have hand multiple matches against him and on his team and i dont see why its a issue because this person is the only one.

One game he ran far and got stale mated. What happened in that game was simply he didnt have the effect to hold 2 people or win the 1 vs 1 so we lost that match.

I posted a pic of another but he ran far and won his 1 vs 1 and then began to win a 1 vs 3.

I can say ive lost to him in a 1 vs 1 but i out performed him in the 2 vs 2 and his team won that particular game.

The question becomes do you see everyone using this build? Answer is no, simply put this is a person who has mastered a class/style of play. No reason to call for help when this is one guy and when other people of the same skill level can handle him on his own area of expertise.

Fluffball.8307:

The use IPs to track hackers. Seems like they could do the same, one ladder spot per IP.

In theory you could have 1 guy fill the entire ladder with F2P accounts.

Someone had already pointed out that a few Pro players had 3-4 alt accounts in the top 250 with there main and another person made a thread about how he had 3 accounts in the top 250.

Im with you 100%, im just trying to be honest and say Anet probably doesnt care.

Our build diversity is based on traits instead of having vital utility skills that force players to have one or the other. it has taken Anet 5 seasons to put out a decent league system which many of us are asking questions for alot things.

Anet probably puts alot time into these things and they are kind of falling on there faces and i just dont Anet will do anything about this for maybe another 4 seasons and when they collect the money from there new expansion which will come with a new PvE spec line that drives other game modes into the gutter.

Boy im just being negative negative but its honest

I felt this was a good page to put this on.

So these are some pictures of the matches i had today. Ill start it with i was platinum 2 days ago and after today i fell below 1600. Either way thats not the issue, the issue is match making. I will point out that i am not making any of the comments even though the names are blacked out, i have the original pics if anyone wants to see them.

First picture is a game where a team mate is complaining about a necro. He capped home and sat, after that he ran to points we owned and sat. At the very bottom you will notice he has just died and he was in a 1 vs 1 vs another necro. This is a issue because he was rotating poorly and losing fights.

2nd picture was bad off the start. We have 3 DH’s on our team 1 thief and i played ele. I was thinking decent comp. All 3 DHs start to say they are bunkers and there was only like 15 sec left in the time to change. I didnt risk it, the 3rd DH switched to power warrior but he came in 30 sec after the start. We ended up winning a mid fight but after winning home and mid they chased off point (as bunkers) got decapped and 2 pushed far and 2 came back mid. From that point the game was over because we had no damage.

3rd picture was pretty fun. I took a pic after the match but our thief was playing d/d condi- venom shares. He did not +1 and he did not cap far, simply decapped it and ran to a fight to dodge/3 all over the place.

Ok so this can eaily be me just complaining but when i was on my warrior im winning my 1 vs 1 fights. In top pic i 1 vs 1 ranger and DH and killed them both pretty quickly. Simply put im not good enough to win that fight and sustain another fight coming right after. So i would win my fight and another player from the enemy team comes over and engages a fight i wont win.

Im sorry but i need to see other players ranks Anet, this matches are happening with players supposedly above average. Here is the thing im not even the one pointing this out.

Obviously both teams are probably having this issue with 1-2 players but every game 1 player on my team always seems to be out of place. Like the High School basketball player who goes to a NBA camp and trys to run with the Pro’s. Im not saying im a pro but im saying the level difference is incredible between the players in the matches i am having.

fishball.7204:

Right now there’s maybe 30-50 alt accounts on the top 250 on NA and at least 4 of the top 25 are alts lol.

Now I know I’m not gonna get in top 25 or even 100 anyway but still it feels wrong to me that these players are ruining the competition for the rest of the people who try to get there like the #1 Maguuma player tabbynachos.

I feel like it’s a legit concern if you want PvP to be competitive that the top ladder shouldn’t consist of smurfs and alts lol.

What’s your plan to counter this ANet?

Lol Anet wont do anything, they made money off the sales of it.

Serious note, we all see it. AMong the higher end players there is a ton of DUO queing.

Not to mention some of the better players are not really playing but for some reason are playing in unranked. (why do i have to see you in unranked)

If we are being honest this is really the first decent season so Anet has alot of stuff to work out.

Topher.5631:

I know he’s a bit much some times, and not as good of a player as people think he is (I’m no fan of his), but come on, is there really a reason to post something that attacks a player?

When people talk about a toxic community I think they mean in-game chat, afk’ing, stuff like that, but this takes it to another level.

The fact that you went out of your way to edit his video and post this is kinda sad tbh, something I would expect from a 14 year old

I dont understand,

The video is funny. The tweet at the end is funny especially when the guy is making learn how carry threads.

Like if he made actual commentary about this guy name called sure go ahead but it just for fun and seems like a good video.

Jojo.6140:

Rev is not the optimal class to play with atm to begin with…

thats not true, i saw toker play it in a game. He was on the other team, we lost.

Im sorry i know you are kind of playing right down the middle but you yourself use examples of why match making can be the reason the ranking system is not great.

First off we can all get this out of the way, yes this is the best season. Yes this is the most fun etc etc etc. The problem with saying that is this is SEASON 5, when you can literally say season 1-4 were not great systems. Its not a great starting point.

You talk about yourself, you talk about a ESL player and many pro players have complained about a certain necro placing in the top 5 and this person is my hero.

You cant make a thread telling people to learn to carry when they simply want GOOD GAMES and to not get flamed.

We need a system that creates fair matches while giving the player based there rankings.

Im gonna throw these pics up again but there is nothing anyone can here epscially if people are of equal levels.

steelheart.7386:

The records of the people at the top of the leaderboard show how poorly the matching is. I remeber the old solo queue once they got rid of synch queuing the top players were only about to win about 55- 60% of there games. Being able to do duo sometimes is not going to bring that up to 80-90%. The matchamking is still kitten and sometimes very luck dependent. We need a hard MMR reset and a month of qualifying rating of solo and duo only.

^^^ right here,

I can slightly remember the players in my first big solo que game. There was celtus who got to a number 1 ranked, zoose when he was still playing d/d, tarcis and phanta and 2 were on 1 side and 2 on the other.

Look at all the 50-10 and 55-20 records.

Match making and duo ques/ class balance and build diversity all still need looked at.

Forgotten Legend.9281:

i gotta be honest here folks… i’m getting really tired of people in bronze, complaining about other bronzers who can’t win a 1v2. it especially grinds my gears when people complain that others can’t win a 1v4 or 1v5. and then rage all over everyone with their bloody cussing in team chat. give it a rest.

the difference between me and them… is that i know i’m bad at PvP… most folks in bronze still think they’re gods who belong in the top 250.

full disclosure here. i’m hangin right around 900 give or take. and unfortunately, i’m kinda stuck playing prime-time because of my work schedule. gotta pay the bills somehow. i’m also a casual PvPer (only rank 53) who is interested in the shinies, but who also wants to improve.

i gotta admit, since i’m still a relative noob, i can’t always see my mistakes. i probably rarely see them. and the worst part is, with all these kittening attitudes coming from other jerks in PvP who are just as bad as me, i’m never going to improve because everybody’s too busy cussing each other out.

cussing me out gives me zero motivation to improve, because i’m then too busy blocking / reporting for verbal abuse instead of analyzing my play for the match.

Im sorry about that,

My friend doesnt PvP much and finds it kind of toxic in GW2. He went 7-1 in his qualifying matches and then the next 2 games faced the same duo que team of a DH and thief. He couldnt beat the thief 1 vs 1 and he plays thief.

Well both games he had the same DH on his team and he started flaming and started whispering him. I asked my friend what his name was and i started whispering him ( Anet its a 2 way street if you look at the comments) but my friend hasnt logged in the last 2 days.

After his 10 games he was rated at like 248 on leader board and so the other guy kind of ruined it for him.

Try not to let it bother you

UmbraNoctis.1907:

Or maybe not?

I’ve also lost a few games against double thief comps. Players > Classes.

Yeah no offense but all this does for me and kind of demand seeing my team mates ranks.

Like i want to know the rank of each player on each class because there is no reason a bronze vs bronze DH vs thief should end this way as well as legend vs legend.

Pre Hot i would of never cared. As someone who never really plays thief pre HOT i always felt they could make what i do easier especially on a staff cele ele and dps mace shield warrior.

Now there are serious hard counters. One game this season the enemy team saw that we had 2 thieves so 1 ranger and 1 engy both switched to 2 Dh and another person switched to ele. So they had 2 eles and 2 DH and a warrior and simply sat on 2 points after the mid fight. Never even attempted to grab our home.

Then i get matches like this (not the first one Anet)

Reason i post the 2nd pic is because if i can get PiPs for my reward chest in 1 vs 1 rooms Anet i am ready. Im this glass warrior power-discipline-zerker and im pretty sure i could do better in 1 vs 1 if i actually used a 1 vs 1 build.

My issue with warrior is the lack of thought behind its HOT counter part.

Adrenaline use to give us the healing based on adrenaline. Which meant timing on using it. Anet changed it to adrenaline bursts gives you the heal. That straight makes discipline the clear favorite no matter what build you run. You need discipline your condi cleanse, might stacking and most importantly the adrenaline. You need defense for the sustain/heals/ elite spec. Defense might have the 3 best elite traits for warrior in this one last trait.

Which brings us to what someone already pointed out. You get 1 or 2 spots for these skills. Rage skills give adrenaline and DO MORE DAMAGE. They also have shorter cool downs, with the nerf to rampage in time, boons and damage. There is almost no reason to ever choose these skills.

All in all the people who created elite specs really didnt care for GW2 diversity when it came to PvP or WvW.

Elxdark.9702:

kdaddy.5431:

Elxdark.9702:

duos are fine imo, what is wrong is when the game puts you in a team where you already know you’re going to lose, like just right now I got the maygi kittened duo with another thief who played staff pp dash….

I mean seriosuly, does anet seriously expect ME to win that match? how.

That’s where this system fails when it puts you with people who don’t have a clue on how to play the game vs people who do have a clue and who are duo.

That aside I’ve seen slowly slowly better matches but still there are those stupid matches where you wonder if they really changed anything…

LOL you do realize you just said duos are fine then went on to say they are not?

That d/d condi thief who runs far with the power thief who can win 1 vs 1.

Im sure many people like myself in high gold/low platinum can share pics on the duo ques ive have against me.

Not to mention 2 of the top 5 players in the game saying THEY ONLY DUO QUE.

If you want to say its match making then fix match making and bring back 5 vs 5. If you want to say its competitive then make it solo que only.

You can t have threads about how you have 3 accounts in the top 250 with presumably hundreds of games played then another thread says how am i suppose to win against a duo que which is what everyone is complaining about.

Everyone in the community is saying these things which is saying something they are for but then again saying they are not for it in the same sentence.

I clearly said they’re fine, what is not fine is only when the game puts you vs strong duos and you have a kittenty team, that’s the system fault and not the duo.

You can’t blame duos for being duos, the system fails so hard at soloQ that’s why they duo and it’s fine, it actually make matches a lot more fun and competitive.

This is the problem though.

I have had matches with people i know in the t1 gold when im in gold3/plat1. With people in the match having plat3 or even higher.

We are talking 6+ tiers players in the same match which leads to your complaints and many others in all divisions.

Think about bronze players fighting to silver who might be thinking about watching Pro players stream to actually learn more about the ins and outs of the class. While doing this he faces 2 players from high silver pushing into gold duo qued.

Its the same as legendary Pro League players teamed up against gold players.

You say it makes matches more fun but the question is for who? You have 2 players in the top 10 literally say they will only que when duo and only with certain people.

At the bottom your having friends duo que and getting smashed since the expected MMR is presumed raised.

I agree match making is the issue but when everyone can see there ratings, seeing there own divisions move up and down. It can frustrate people and its something they can say with a legitimate case that duo ques are teh reason they cant get into said tier/division/rank/top 250.

Elxdark.9702:

duos are fine imo, what is wrong is when the game puts you in a team where you already know you’re going to lose, like just right now I got the maygi kittened duo with another thief who played staff pp dash….

I mean seriosuly, does anet seriously expect ME to win that match? how.

That’s where this system fails when it puts you with people who don’t have a clue on how to play the game vs people who do have a clue and who are duo.

That aside I’ve seen slowly slowly better matches but still there are those stupid matches where you wonder if they really changed anything…

LOL you do realize you just said duos are fine then went on to say they are not?

That d/d condi thief who runs far with the power thief who can win 1 vs 1.

Im sure many people like myself in high gold/low platinum can share pics on the duo ques ive have against me.

Not to mention 2 of the top 5 players in the game saying THEY ONLY DUO QUE.

If you want to say its match making then fix match making and bring back 5 vs 5. If you want to say its competitive then make it solo que only.

You can t have threads about how you have 3 accounts in the top 250 with presumably hundreds of games played then another thread says how am i suppose to win against a duo que which is what everyone is complaining about.

Everyone in the community is saying these things which is saying something they are for but then again saying they are not for it in the same sentence.

xKratos.4758:

fishball.7204:

Just vs’d you guys in a duo, #1 and #3 we had nobody even top 100 (?) and I was like #240. Lost 12 rating to you guys in a total 1 sided stomp. Idk man maybe it’s rewarding for you but it feels totally unfair for me, like I lose less sometimes losing to random teams than you guys who have way higher MMR than me.

For reference I have 1730 MMR, you guys have like 2050 which is 320 MMR difference and I lost 12 =/

I feel like you guys up top should be fighting guys up top and not gaining anything from fighting people with 300 MMR diff, I know that if I stomped some random dude in silver as a plat guy I don’t deserve anything.

12 MMR is nothing. I lost -25 to -50 which was my most lost when i was top 10 and they give me 4 randoms against a team where i know every players on there. I lost 21 from that game. And I got VoD of that on my stream too. But yea I agree with the 300MMR diff part. Like I said, system is not flawless but it is better than before. We just need to give Evan and his team more time. I regain some faith in PvP team at least

No one is saying its flawless.

We all just have questions and little things like not being able to see badges.

Just now i had a match with 2 players on my team from Best Team North Africa which i think was a ESL team….?

Either way we won 500-103, i gain +13. I lost yesterday to the number 1 ranked player ( i might be going on too long about this) and i lost 18.

Its just that questioin of a match im suppose to lose i lose big and a match im suppose to win i win normal.

Everyone just got questions and ideas to make it better. I personally never wanted it to be duo que.

Locuz.2651:

Its the start of the season. Its literally impossible (no matter what system you use) to get matchmaking right within 10-20 games.

It literally blows my mind how shortsighted people are. Ive seen ppl complain about the matchmaking of their first game after the an MMR reset.

Typically these explanations are something like the one above this one.

Or like:

“We lost and there was this 1 guy that died before he even dodged . And then one other guy chased a thief. Omg such bad matchmaking. And then there was this guy that complained in my game while he died 4 times…or maybe it was 5. I remember i looked him up later and he was 143 points below me.

How can this ^ belong at my MMR."

You dont find it a little bit off? The game i posted was so very good. After this game i win one.

The next game we lose 500-40 and i had a rating of 1643 before and im facing the number 1 player in NA duo queing i believe. So we have 2 top 15 players in the game on 1 side.

I have the picture of that match, there was a ele (scepter focus dps shouts …………..) talking during the match about match making.

Guess what they didnt like playing us since the rating for them potentially wasnt worth there time.

Also he is 80 games into the season and im around 30-40 games into the season. Also many of us have thousands of games played. You on another thread 3-4 of the top 10 players talking about how match making doesnt seem to be working as well.

Its one thing to blame the season 10 games in and its another to talk about season 50-100 games in especially now that i can see who im facing.

Im having a bit of a issue with this as well.

Ive had multiple matches where we had a player who really focused on 1 vs 1 but couldnt win any. As well as being the reason my team won fights and them losing every fight when i wasnt there. On top of huge blow outs.

Im also having a issue with games like this. I think i lost 18 points from this match and a win would of put me back into platinum. Great match though, seriously best one all season. Our team was losing all teh mid fights and we all agreed on corners and everyone actually move to corners and we came back from 150 down and they were fortunate to get there beast.

Next 2 matches i face the number 1 NA player and im 100% sure everyone on there team had a higher rating then everyone on my team. I got stomped by there mesmer trying to hold a point and my team mates lost a 3 vs 4 at our home point.

Anet needs to put back the badges after a match so we can give back some info.

Paul.2054:

My main concern is a lack of competition at the higher end of things right now. It feels like there are so many gaps of time in NA where you can just duo with two top players and never face anyone at the same level of play that competitive matches aren’t really happening and there are already a lot of people just sitting on their rating at the top. People can just pick and choose when to go in with a duo and just take that high percentage victory and you don’t have to risk a whole lot it feels.

I think this is a result of two things. One being that the community of top tier players aren’t really playing actively enough to support these kinds of matches on NA which is probably true. It’s kinda hard to blame the strong duos for going in and farming people if there just legitimately isn’t another competitive duo or set of players that matchmaking has available for them to face. The second thing could be that people are just dodging the strong duos or are simply just afraid to queue into them which I think is understandable. It feels like even duos are too powerful and that ranked should actually just be made into purely solo play. This way there is no way to guarantee any sort of advantageous team whatsoever and you’re left completely up to match making. This makes queueing while top players are around a little less intimidating especially if you don’t have a duo partner to play with or just want to play solo.

Even I have duod a lot this season and I feel like I’m sorta put into a position where I want to because it’s just much more of an advantage to me personally than before with the rating system. I’m punished very heavily for losing even a single match and now I’m at the point that it takes legitimately 5 or more wins to make up for a loss. I don’t want to be some kind of ranked tyrant that only queues with other top players but I feel like it is too much of an advantage not to. I might just stop doing it as a personal preference but I know there will be times where match making won’t be on my side because of other people duo queueing and I’ll pay for it.

There is something off with match making.

Just a hour ago i had a match where i was the opposite of the number 1 ranked player NA.

That isnt the issue, the problem was there warrior ran to our home and killed our thief 1 vs 1.

Then we lost the mid fight even having a 3 vs 4 start at it.

I honestly believe Anet doesnt show everyones badges after a match. Its quite obvious that alot of you top tier players are not facing other top tier players imo. I think he got +4 from the match and i lost double digit points.

Edit- Lastly i was saying solo que only in multiple threads from the start of the season so awesome of ya to get that started.

No im with you, i started in platinum and now Gold 3 and im losing anywhere from 10-40 a loss and gaining 10-12 per win.

Cerby.1069:

anet too scared to buff things that are useless/obsolete. Cause they risk potentially making something ‘new’, that other classes haven’t had to fight against, too useful or powerful in some way.

People can kill warriors and they aren’t the top of the top….. so no changes is the best way to keep a sense of balance

Ok i guess, you just have EU player named lord helseth calling warrior a trash class.

I mean nothing better then being the worst class season 1-2 and potentially S5.

Interpret Interrupt.3824:

IDK if you remember a few months ago I had that thread where my eviscerate did like 17 damage in the pvp match. Ele damage mitigation is insane.

Wow i do remember that, that one was really good. I believe you were running vanilla which only hurts more.