Guild Wars 2

Aerial Melodies.4938:

I simply quit playing pvp. After a 20 minute wait as a duo q, we simply left the queue and moved on to other parts of the game and haven’t looked back since.

I just had too, its like a cruel joke. Heres another thing, i lost 3 pips last match and i went from division 2 legendary to division 1 tier what ever. It doesnt say you can lose divisions unless I missed something. Like all the time now with the que times, im not even a pro player!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Dahkeus.8243:

kdaddy.5431:

Total joke but best yet was more guns then roses ran the double warrior and thief. Great balance within the game in the match i think we can all say.

Yea, that game made my day. Too bad they got 500-0, lol.

Btw, does anyone know if someone from More Guns has spoken up as to why they ran that comp? Were they just messing around, figuring they would lose anyways or were they seriously trying this as a counter strat?

I would love to know too, i saw the 1 guy running old school hambow and i was like ohhhhhhhh yeah!!!!!!!!!!!!!! lets go and then boom, hes down.

Hambow had its day in the sun for like 4-5 months and anet nerfed it. I really wonder how it works sometimes because d/d ele didnt get nerfed till HOT basically came out and they had to nerf bunker mesmer when 1 team quit in the ESL league.

I actually want to know more about this team since they ran that comp. So awesome to see.

Who knows, i have not had a hour long que time but ever que feels 10 min +. Like it takes over 1 hr just to do my 3 ranked matches. pffffffffffffffffffffffff

XGhoul.7426:

So you want “pro-teams” to not run the best/optimal builds but troll themselves for viewer entertainment? That won’t happen, I honestly have been watching the last few pro leagues na/eu just for twitch chat. The devs already know how bad the balance is once they wiped out bunker meta completely and barely touched engi, and made necro god mode almost (I can go on with ele, etc.) The only team I could say went full yolo was zero counterplay in na, they had nothing to lose bringing in subs and had 0 chance, I don’t actually blame them playing yolo comps, at least it was more entertaining than seeing a terrible meta unfold. To address your last statement? I have 0 clue what you are trying to say. I think they were actually trying to have fun in what each person mained in over the tournament, since it is over for them.

I would never suggest this because it means something to some of them. Its important for GW2 as a game since its trying to be Esports to have a decent PvP set up.

Also its one thing to know the PvP scene is bad but the constant inability to even make it fun and come out with a Pro League and a PvP season.

The idea that you have to run certain classes and builds to even be competitive is a slap in the face. Before Hot every team looked some what different and every team had its own play style. We dont know the upcoming changes and new meta coming and i feel Anet should have to see what they put out on the table.

So 2 nights ago i open up the WvW upgrade so now its not just a tent but a big room. I see there is like this center table for something and i was like wow is this a potential mini game? Nope its nothing, just a empty room. It would of been so nice if there was something actually fun to do in the guild hall.

Its 4-5 of us upgrading this level 34 bad boy and im sitting here going why? The mats were in the thousands of gold and we dont use anything. The PvP room is bugged so we cant decorate it. The WvW is nothing, i mean it would of been so cool if there was some silly cheesy lame lane mini game to fight each other with. Maybe a drinking game at the tavern, seriously anything for the amount of time and effort you put into it.

The guild halls are so pretty and have so many spaces to do things in them except there is literally nothing to do. The guild portal, what is that? Guild trader and armors are people who you unlock and they ask for insane amounts of gold and mats for minis, thats so cool. (sarcasm)

Im probably coming off really negative and most probably dont want to hear it or are in the same boat but why is there no cool emotes like in gw1? Why are there no mini games? No card collection games? Or even have it so our minis can fight in a silly arena, im truly wondering why the Guild Halls are even part of the game. Half the people in my guild didnt buy HOT so they couldnt even use the boosters they helped unlocked.

I havent done much PvE but the new areas seem great but i paid $100 for a game that gave me no new PvP maps, (unless we are counting broken stronghold) i got a new WvW map which a majority of people did not like myself included and when you did the Guild Hall presentation we were like this could be alot of fun but even that seems have the fun literally beaten out of it.

This is what my guild members did to make the Guild Hall fun, they created their own Jumping Puzzle from the snow piles. This was a awesome feature to have in the Guild Hall but it be nice if you guys added something yourselves to it.

Ok i had to stop watching this morning after the ORNG and car crash game. I just hate when this is a Esportz game and there is only 1 style of play that wins. Total joke but best yet was more guns then roses ran the double warrior and thief. Great balance within the game in the match i think we can all say.

Another thing in the NA scene is another NA team just didnt show up. Apex vs The Abjured, these people are gonna get paid? Seriously if your team misses a match is there a suspension from the next league system or anything?

So lastly i hope that more of these other teams run weird crazy comps. Like 1 team runs old meta builds like maybe a spirit ranger, a turret engy, cele rifle engy or d/d ele. I think it be great to show how bad the balance in the game is when it comes to multiple build selections and play styles.

Also can we get the play by play guys to quit rolling up there sleeves? Its just weird looking.

JEFFARR.8163:

kdaddy.5431:

JEFFARR.8163:

Tage died a billion times and rom was having trouble against Kan scout.
Also they had better openers.
They also beat them with a necro/Druid
It’s not like they got outcomped.

Im strictly talking that 3rd match. The first 2 was legit imo, sound rotations and people trying to figure out where they were needed.

That 3rd map where they got 2,3,4 stomps at mid and nothing in the game changed since they could just throw bunker mesmers to mid to hold for over 30 sec on respawns from team mates.

This was incredibly gross to see, the broadcasters were like omg they got the stomp and another stomp and 3 minutes later were like well they didnt even decap it. Thats like being on a 3 on 1 fast break and you didnt score because the defensive player faked a injury and the refs called a stop to play. Exact same thing

It’s their fault for not rotating out and losing to the 2 cap in the first place
They wasted time at mid for like 5min when they started rotating out they finally got some momentum.
And ornlg had way more sustain than cc anyways

i dont know what kind of checkers you play but when i play. If i jump one of your pcs you lose it. You dont get to be like ohhh nope cant take it, its bunker mesmer.

The sad part is your literally saying ohh there is only one way to play the game.

Right just like the NBA you have the golden state warriors playing small ball and the spurs playing big. Then there is memphis that plays really slow and ohhhhh wait. Thats what a real sport is like im sorry

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JEFFARR.8163:

Tage died a billion times and rom was having trouble against Kan scout.
Also they had better openers.
They also beat them with a necro/Druid
It’s not like they got outcomped.

Im strictly talking that 3rd match. The first 2 was legit imo, sound rotations and people trying to figure out where they were needed.

That 3rd map where they got 2,3,4 stomps at mid and nothing in the game changed since they could just throw bunker mesmers to mid to hold for over 30 sec on respawns from team mates.

This was incredibly gross to see, the broadcasters were like omg they got the stomp and another stomp and 3 minutes later were like well they didnt even decap it. Thats like being on a 3 on 1 fast break and you didnt score because the defensive player faked a injury and the refs called a stop to play. Exact same thing

I feel like a cow that anet is just herding. The throw a shiny legendary back pc that i farm for. You push beyond the quitting point. I was in diamond t4 for 2 weeks and you get to legendary and you feel like you accomplished something. A day or 2 goes by and you realize you really didnt.

You keep playing and im actually at the point where i would just do unranked if i wasnt stuck in t5 pip 3-4 for the last 3 days. I mean its these little ocd things that keep what i assume alot of is in this game.

Now there is a whole new meta and just like the cow i am gonna mozy on with it but i have to say this is becoming a never ending cycle of Anet just prodding us.

Anet i just watched the ORNG vs Car Crashed and im a little dumb founded by it. The legacy map ORNG started taking out players 1 by 1 and they still couldnt decap. Going 4 vs 3 then 4 vs 2 and still didnt matter. Its really gross to see but the flip side is the upcoming patch.

The next patch cant be so bad that when people die you can farm the starting/rezzing areas. Im really hoping Anet your actually trying to balance the game instead of just feeding different metas.

We shall soon see after this next patch. If the next PvP patch is just as disgusting it might be time to simply pop in for dailies and go.

NOOOOOO dont i play d/d thief for fun alot and i use that rune with 1 trick and 1 signet ……………………………….. hehehehehehehe more initiative and dodges for me

Im actually fine with the pet damage. Retaliation and or reflect will make it so the pet near kills its self so there is counter play.

Rangers arent as good in team fights since a majority of there dmg comes for the pet.

Lastly anet gave every class a bunch of stuns/stability/ etc etc etc. Seriously scrappers are better with invisibility then thieves and mesmers and here we are talking about pets on a build that is literally only being played by 1-2 players in the entire ESL league and to be honest i think only ROM plays druid.

For me unranked is more fun aswell, the stress of winning pips as a solo que player isnt there anymore and i can play what ever i like. In ranked its play bunker ele/ mesmer and viper rev or your costing us the match.

This is a incorrect post imo

When cele first came out it actually made engy the best class in the game. Also ele was there but it wasnt till the next update where anet gave d/d ele alot of dmg and blinds.

Simply put the cele meta right before HOT was the closest to perfect this game has gotten. There were some tweaks needed overall to some classes and a nerf to d/d ele which came way to late but it was near perfection.

Just looking at ORNG they had ran bunker guard and dps warrior and after losing in the WTS getting 2nd. They switched to burn guardian and shoutbow. Shatter mesmers, thieves had roles on teams and even the lowest classes like necro and rangers had places on good teams. It was a joke how slow anet was to nerfing d/d ele to the point they had too say 2 class max of each profession in tournaments.

But simply saying removing cele makes the game better is rediculous when many builds dont even use it now. You have scrappers using maruder, revs using vipers, mesmers using soilders or sentinals. Only ele is using cele and the idea of getting rid of ammy to “shake things up” is not good balance. The new HOT meta shows because things are great in theory doesnt actually mean its good.

We wont get anything anet will fix rifle ……………………………………………………………………

this is something i was seriously wondering about, i dont want major changes every couple of months to “shake things up”. I just want a balanced game that i can play and have fun in. The when season roll around i can get unique stuff for play said league buit nope. That is not the future for GW2.

God i cant wait for “For Honor” to come out

everyone always brings this up but once again i for one dont think we can have a solo que.

Solo que at the end of its days had the longest que times ever. 30-40-50 min que times and many players started yolo queing which defeated the whole purpose of solo ques.

Also many people on the forums/streams/ in game got to legendary solo queing and duo queing. Overall the system isnt perfect and i absolutely hate the current PiP system. That doesnt make it a bad one and currently the game doesnt need a solo que.

100% of the people who come here come to complain about how bad there team mates are or how hard they have to carry and then when you see them in game they are very average. Unfortunately these are the type of players who are never happy and have a solo que, team que, and a stronghold que(lol so funny) would only create longer que times.

This game is just one of those games that will always be there but never really change. Many guild members i have take 2-3 month breaks come back and play for 2-3 months and leave again.

Its impossible to keep casual players in the game because of no new maps, people loving the PvP system but hating to wait for matches. The old 8 vs 8 hot join was alot of fun for alot of people.

Im not sure who was in charge of the PvP and WvW designs for the expansion but i would have to give them a F. No new maps for PvP, they remove courtyard, condi bunker wars, broken league system, imo a bad PiP system. For WvW they just threw the new maps over the old map art.

The expansion was definitely more for the PvE crowd when this game is trying hard to go esports. Its a interesting combo and i assume anet will do some work when the PvE crowd complains about living story but until then PvP and WvW will always kind of be the same.

Unless they fully just redo the beserker trait line im think they might just not know how to make it viable in PvP. I mean warriors had to use mace/ hammer in melee range with maybe a bulls charge to get stuns and knock downs.

Now ele share stuns and reflects. Engy has a Aoe stun with pulses and ranger can stun/daze with 2 glyphs and/or weapons swap. The there is the classes you cant stun like revanents and mesmers but who knows what happens to mesmer in the near future.

The entire state of PvP is really kind of gross atm. Seriously where is teh give and take? People are talking runes and sigils and like yeah i love the new amulet. Are you kidding me?

Lets just give everyone everything, Lord helseth said something about the League system i completely disagree with. He said when your in weeklys you can see what people are using and you just adjust to it and boom let the other things happen. Thats not what competing in a season is about. In the NBA atm teams are sacrificing size and height for speed except for 1 team which is the spurs. There has to be give and take and the ability to win games in multiple styles.

Warrior has no style and when you look at the class you simply ask what do you do?

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Oh my goodness ghost you crack me up. Anet gave us skyhammer and stronghold. Thats like the 4 year quota on new maps. I know i know what your thinking. $100 for GW2 and $100 for HOT and maybe 1-2 new maps and bring back some of the old ones for hot join but guess what this is anet saying for everything.

Working as intended

Famine.3164:

wired.7324:

balance patch … you belive in this fairy tails :s.

Did you miss the patch on the 26th? or do you belive that it won’t make any difference? ^^

They didnt address some of the real issues. Every class has insane amount of stuns/knockbacks/stability. Before HOT you had to choose if you wanted stability-a stun- a condi clear and now anet said shoot screw that this skill does it all.

Durability rune was a obvious OP rune and them changing some of the sigils and runes is cute. It doesnt change anything though, you have scrappers using maruder amulet atm. You had druids using soldiers or celestial, the new amulets actually help them more.

There has to be actually choices with skill sets. Its why ORNG beat the Abjured at WTS because the NA team chose speed, mobility and some dps. The EU team chose builds that abused anti stability builds and excel in team fights. Atm there are no choices and heading forward still the ability to choose a style of comp is still not there.

I could be wrong but they will still make it so every class has every thing.

Binary Rain.4869:

I have actually had worse…lost a pip when it was 3 diamonds emerald + afk amber vs 4 diamonds and a legendary I think it was. Maybe 5 diamonds. Another where I lost a pip with 3 diamonds a ruby and emerald vs 3 diamonds 2 legendaries. Not to mention I face heavily outmatched teams like this and have only received 1 double pip out of about 15 or more wins (I am the emerald just trying to climb the ranks quick…which isn’t happening)

Oh no, i mean there are alot of bad match ups and team comp issues but for me personally now. Im just not as good as the people im playing against. Maybe is the revanents being OP but im not coming close to beating alot of these scrappers and revanents in 1 vs 1 or 2 vs 2 situations.

Also it brings up the PiP issue again for me. You should be gaining pips since they are matching you with people of a higher division which means you are either in the wrong division and your MM is forcing bad match ups or anet MM is simply broken. Either way you shouldnt have lost pips.

Ross Biddle.2367:

kdaddy.5431:

You know what Anet i actually love playing against the best players in the game. I really do, i love challenge and i enjoy seeing other great players play. With this pip system though i dont understand why im losing PiPs.

I want a season that rewards high play. The last one here dude just afk after he died and said we have no chance. Seriously reward the players based off quality of play. I 100% enjoy playing the best players in the game but i find incredible unfair for me personally trying to get to ascension 4 of the league thing when i face these guys 3 out of 4 matches.

Heres the thing too, i wouldnt of even taken a break had it not been for the PiP system. If you want me to face them all day im ok with that but when im 3 PiPs away from Legendary 2 and this happens. Come on bruh

hahahaha those are great, i love the toast one

nacario.9417:

Thats part of the bitter taste as soloq, u never know what u get, and it hurts if u dont bring lube

I agree anet and team PZ should take me to dinner and movie first

Thank you

I didnt know if it was just my guild. We had problems with it and we started to assume it was us since we didnt see any report on them fixing it or other people complaining about it.

You know what Anet i actually love playing against the best players in the game. I really do, i love challenge and i enjoy seeing other great players play. With this pip system though i dont understand why im losing PiPs.

I want a season that rewards high play. The last one here dude just afk after he died and said we have no chance. Seriously reward the players based off quality of play. I 100% enjoy playing the best players in the game but i find incredible unfair for me personally trying to get to ascension 4 of the league thing when i face these guys 3 out of 4 matches.

Heres the thing too, i wouldnt of even taken a break had it not been for the PiP system. If you want me to face them all day im ok with that but when im 3 PiPs away from Legendary 2 and this happens. Come on bruh

Hello everyone,

My guild has been having problems with the guild arena for sometime. We are currently level 32 and have 10 options of turrets and walls that we are suppose to have access to. We have not been able to place any of the PvP objects anywhere. I keep seeing these patch updates and theres nothing on that so it my guild?

Is there some reason why no one in my guild can decorate the guild arena?

Omg i fast forwarded threw it and wow it was bad right? I mean if i took me and 4 of my friends obviously we get crushed in like 8-9 minutes but my atlanta the amount games going full 15 minutes and the scores are like 200-300.

Im actually really looking forward to For Honor.

Arkantos.7460:

well since new pvp patch i come from ruby t5 to diamond t2 today with a 3mangrp …. and i must say the skill of my diamond enemies are still worse, you can smell the exploiters and the non tactic knowledge of random ppl in your own grp carry them to win …. but we will meet legendary very soon ^^ ty anet for the patch

I got to it before the patch but im curious what happened. When i was in diamond i was stuck in t4 for a good 2 weeks facing alot of the same people. (alot of ESL players solo and duo queing) and then boom they were gone. I was facing these new legendary players and the team i was on were crushing them. I started gaining 2 pips per win and i was like huh, weird.

Match making is the strangest thing because i went from 50/50 to winning 6 and losing 2 from that t4 diamond to t3 legendary now. I didnt change my builds so i really wonder whats going on.

I really have no idea why this is in ranked.

First the invisibility bug and the current mesmer makes it near impossible to kill door breakers. I honestly feel its a joke on us because just for unranked Guild MIssions we saw a 2 mesmer 1 DH and 2 ele team. 1 ele went to defend there gate and the other 4 stealthed and time warped there door breakers. We couldnt kill the door breakers and there was 3 of us from trying after they took down our first gate.

This map is not designed for the current PvP at all.

WhiteRabbit.6931:

eureeka.5368:

So you all cried about diamond skin enough to have it nerfed good job! Next you will cry about druid. The gliders will be op in pvp.

Diamond skin had to go, no class should be able to ruin every condi build out there with one trait! If you think it was balanced, then you need to lay of the ego for a bit and try see things from others point of view.

Druid has been op since it came, so nothing new here!

/thread

PvP should not be catering to the really bad players of the game. Everyone on this forum when HOT first came out was screaming that DH needed nerf. Guess what, they didnt and only players who run bad builds or dont know how to think in fights get caught by them.

They did need to put a symbol for diamond skin so you could see when the ele is under 90% but changing it completely under the current meta is just bad.

Now if they change it for the better because what the next patch does to update the game im kind interested in seeing how they do it. Also its a support bunker build so it should be able to sustain in 1 vs 1 unless against a really good 1 vs 1 dps build. At no point should peoples hands be held in PvP.

Ive been queing up with friends who are legit emeralds and sapphires and we are facing full diamond and legendary division players. We are losing 500-100 or 200 like every match. As anet would say

“everything working as intended”

My guild just got to level 32 and its really about 5 of us doing it. The other people in the guild couldnt use the xp boosters. We were all pretty kittened about that. The guild arena doesnt work for anyone. Im the guild leader and i cant place any thing down in the PvP room, seriously. We have everything but torches and the flame turret and we cant use any of them.

Heres the most disgusting thing about guild halls. 1 member put 1000 gold in the guild bank for us to buy mats and upgrade the Guild Hall. So we used it and we are a 25-30 size guild but only 10 play together and everyone else kind of just adventures on there own. We get all these upgrades and 1/2 of the guild cant use because they didnt buy the HOT. We upgrade the PvP room next because we want to troll each other and we have a family in our guild. Its a mom and dad and their 3 kids and they asked why they couldnt place turrets down and i had to reply i cant either atm.

The 5 of us who really wanted to make the guild hall a nice for place everyone are get extremely frustrated. We have put over 3,000 gold and the mats needed for upgrades and seriously the Guild Hall is the last place anyone goes. There are no mini games, there are no crafting stations, the PvP room is broken, we cant build houses or sit in the fancy chairs we crafted.

I would seriously like anet to refund guilds for the guild hall mats and gold. My rage is because we just unlocked guild trader 3 and 4 and it came with more crap to do for scribing. WTF is this, its like a sick joke.

Terrorsquad.4802:

I do agree with you but there’s a catch; in order to figure out such styles, which at the same time should be viable, they need to test.

Anet doesn’t have the amount of testers, nor do the testers there have a clue about high-level conquest to reproduce on the site.

Basically what I’m saying is they’ll need us as guineapigs to fight out for weeks, like a League season.
Problem on using us as test is that there will always be 1 “style” of meta, like we always had.

So its kind of a vicious circle.
In other words; it’s impossible unless they revert back to the HamBow meta, which seemed the best period of balance and fun in PvP.

Despite ppl calling it a bunker meta, I think everyone right now (except those adoring their faceroll specs now) would be happy to switch back to the HamBow meta.

Every single class, including Ranger, was used in top tier play. (yes, even when ppl called ranger unviable, there were 2 EU top teams using a ranger and winning all their games).

That was my favorite meta as well. Simply put multiple classes had multiple builds comapred to now. A few tweaks to some classes here and there and we could of had more viable builds. I mean ele alone, we had bunker staff- the all powerful d/d and s/f burst builds. No its run tempest with shouts or dont play at a high level.

My issue is it took Anet 3 years to get to that point. Them talking overhauling PvP just scares me because of how bad the HOT meta has been. We are having Pro Leagues Seasonal now and i just want the game to be fun instead of grind when these events happen for casuals and serious players.

I mean each game should feel differently. If you have a team who runs all bursts builds the match should feel quick and a bit random spamming. If your playing all bunkers you should be able to slow down the game a bit and bring out rotation aspects of the game into the highlight reels. Not every team should look like 2 mesmers and 2 revs!

Schurge.5194:

You have a few options, all way more productive then crying on the forums.

- Practice in Unranked, just a couple of games.
– Continue doing what you are doing, those hate tells are meaningless.
– Make an actual 4 or 5-man group.

I was gone most of the Season, just started serious play again a week ago. I find the prospect of losing “Pips” exhilarating. I’m already in Sapphire (when I left I remember people insisting everyone would be stuck in Emerald and I was only there for a week). But by all means, lets dumb down the PvP experience so your friend doesn’t get hate tells. There is salt, and a mail function, use it and move on.

gratz

kuritsutian.2987:

You can still play with your friends… why having the tier lowered for the higher tier was right, but rising the tier for the lower player is wrong? what is the friend issue here? you want to play with your friends or you want to take advantage? … when you decide to play with a low tier friend you shouldn’t mind playing with people of your same level, it’s you bringing a stick to a sword fight. … If it’s for the sake of playing with friends then unranked is the right option.

When he thought about playing in some AG games Ele was the class so him moving to ele was the best choice for him. It was the most comfortable quick transition for him for us to play in ranked.

I simply bring this up because he wanted to play ranked and im not gonna tell him no. Im more telling the community to kind of back off. You whispering me isnt changing it. Telling us to go to unranked when we are not gonna go isnt gonna solve your issues with us in your match. This post was mostly of people should have a understanding that because anet wanted to kill smurf queing that this is gonna happen.

Lastly i got to legendary by solo queing about 85% of the time, divisions doesnt mean anything because my friend here is probably better then 60% of the people on this forum and the 2 best players i know are in amber and emerald because they didnt want to grind for a back pc.

All im simply asking for the people who read this and play in game dont go crazy because they see someone like myself of a high rank queing with a friend of a low rank.

I think the players who were forcibly moved from there teams bugs me the most. These guys spend alot of time in this game and when you have meta like this where its get good at rev and mesmer or get kicked.

When it comes to the feeling of being spit on. I mean each meta has its own feeling and we as players just have to adjust to the game. It gives for a different game play but for me this has been the most frustrating meta yet. The mesmers ability to rez a downed ally in .5 seconds when it took 3 minutes to get him down feels cheap and dirty. Stronghold period is a big joke which they didnt fix or updated since introducing. The revs ability to not being hurt or even moved when rezzing is the biggest joke ever. Lets create a new class where there is 0 counter play.

I dont know if getting spit on is the feeling of this current meta but my god its pretty close.

My god i just fast forwarded threw the Pro Leagues and wow it was bad. Anet your coming out with a new patch and i hope the HOT patch isnt going to be a recurring thing. Completely killing and creating new builds for the sake of creating a new meta is atrocious to me.

This is 5 vs 5 conquest and it needs to have a Pro basket ball feel to it. Some teams should be able to be successful playing defense. Like a radioactive before and some teams should be able run a high paced numbers game like the TCG of before HOT. Many teams in the NBA run different styles of teams and have the same amount of success. In the game we currently have there is only 1 style.

Seriously when you bring in the next patch think about the styles of play that you can do. Watching all the WTS was awesome but i dont even dare to try and watch the current Pro League matches live. I really hope you guys can turn this around because having 2 EU game where is 200-300 and 2 NA game with 300-400 games would be a combined 2 hrs worth of time watching paint dry.

Crinn.7864:

When it comes to designing a matchmaker, it’s more of a case of picking the lesser evil.

Or maybe they could come up with a better system for Leagues/seasons. Seriously this PiP system is a awful way to reward PvP players.

Taking the Leader Board off completely away says alot when its something everyone has been asking for. I post this because of 3 things

1- We deserve a real leader board and/or something that shows skilled play.

2- When people actually say sorry but you shouldnt play with your friends, we are going in the wrong direction. People on this forum need to realize just because someone is in amber/what ever rank it doesnt actually mean thats there skill level.

3- Anet needs to make these better. ESL league games among other things and current meta is such a joke and then the fact they are talking overhaul. We say how the HOT effected the game. So this is about to be epic ……..

Ok so a friend of mine came back. He hasnt played for 2 months since he at college and he plays a sport. The amount of rage we got for the matches we were in are unreal.

After 1 match this guy started whispering non stop. I told him that he was a good player but adjusting to the builds of HOT. Would not have it, more then 1 person told us to go into unranked. UMMMMMMM NO we want to play ranked so he can gain some levels too.

We lost 1 on his thief and he switch to necro. We lost on his necro bad and he switched to ele and i gave him my build for it which is basically the meta with dagger warhorn. Seriously community take a chill pill.

I took a few pics this morning and ive won some and lost some. This one hurt the most because i was 1 pip away from legendary and we had 2 thieves and they have 2 thieves.
We had a necro and they had a necro except all of there players were ranked much higher. They had a emerald though so i guess it made it a even match?

Pyriall.1683:

Stronghold is interesting. I would love to see how competitive teams approach playing it. That being said, it should not have been allowed to count towards league progression this soon after its initial release.

Some of them have videos on stronghold and i think many of them said stronghold strategy for every team would be the same.

In 5 vs 5 conquest people can play different classes for different roles and each class brings something unique to the table. In stronghold its less about the team make up and more about the individual builds and the strategy becomes the same each time.

I of course am using my own words to explain what a few of the ESL players stream said that i saw.

Ive had 2 in the past 2 days where 1 person switched characters 3 times during a match and another rage quit after he was asked to cap a empty point when he was standing right next to it.

I lost a pip each time but its part of the game.

Harbinger.8637:

Ok, last one, but it’s the best one.

God i feel bad for those 2 solo que guys,

there like walking in with smiles leaving with nothing but boots.

you will struggle greatly if you try to run into a AG tourney with all old specs. As for in game, my guild when the season first started.

For fun we ran old staff ele build, a trap ranger, burn guardian, pew pew ranger and a MM master necro. We did ok, i want to say we went 5-0 then started facing other premades and then we were like 2-4. So that was the end of that and 3 of them still havent bought HOT so they havent been doing the League season.

Anet really has no clue what they were doing starting this.

Stronghold in ranked was easily there biggest mistake. Having mesmers with the ability to give door breakers invisibility, quickness, and invulnerability. People getting farmed left and right in there.

A broken set up in the PiP system and moving forward for those who are legit emeralds/sapphire/rubys/diamonds/legendarys who que together will get punished. Of course though coming out with a decent MM system for a league season didnt come across as important to them. They still havent made it if someone on your team dc or leaves you dont lose a PiP.

People say it can easily be fixed then were someone on a team just leaves so no one loses a PiP. Crazy idea how about only the people who partied with the dc person loses a PiP so people solo queing are not punished.

Then there is the MMR thing where at the start of the season good players were facing full team premades so even ESL level players were not getting to ruby before grinders.

So much to be frustrated about just so much

Talzed.4153:

another example of a match that shouldnt have been. I would talk about the pips I lost, but the failmaker has cost me all of my pips, yet again….

is that all gyros?

Because id prefer the sandwich

wait lol wait hahahahahaha

you won a 1 vs 3 on a set up burst start and then you got to free cast on the 2nd one.

OMG hahahahaahahahahaha lol what? My brain hurts

jessiestiles.9437:

kdaddy.5431:

This isnt a good thing. You having to adapt for a “season” doesnt make it right. Lets just assume your a legendary level player and because you are not grinding, you just got to ruby recently and now you are far better then the ruby players you are playing now. This is not a good thing.

The reasons people have League season is so players can literally see what there skill level is. Its not fair to the hardcore PvP players of the game.

I dont know what it means to be Esports but having played real sports in the seasons meant something and you played everyone. You only played the better teams in distrcts,regionals,states,playoffs. Here in GW2 league seasons it doesnt matter. Your gonna play the same people over and over and with the new team set up you now must find people of equal skill level. If your friends are not you will lose.

With the now already spoken about win streak perk, you can see how this will get ugly at times.

Everyone had to adapt. At the start of the season Reapers were the top class and could outsustain anyone without breaking a sweat. Next to Dragonhunters who could one hit half a team. Then people began to learn how to use condi revenants and mesmers became less squishy. Next you’re getting down instantly by a druid pet. Who then got hit for 10k at a time by warriors. Builds evolved as counters to those builds developed. None of this happen overnight. Being pro pre HoT wasn’t enough to usher you through the league divisions. So pros started to exploit the system to get to legendary. Since your a fan of sports metaphors its like a pro football team having to adjust after rocketpacks were introduced to the sport.

I don’t think the win streak is a good idea either. The obvious exploit to that is to tank all your games and streak your way to the next division. Improved match balance would mean slower progress so they still need a way for people to advance quicker. Idk about the premades abusing this because they’d need to have a full team of equally skilled players or they’d be at a disadvantage.

I think they should get rid of losing 2 pips for a loss because that could take 4-10 games to win back and is such a let down. And the odd win 2 pips for an impressive win based on MMR. Then you can advance quicker without certain unscrupulous individuals having to find a way to abuse the system.

I think its fine if you feel this way about the classes. Also im wondering what server you are on because the EU scene was rocking the double mesmer ele comp with at least 1 rev for a awhile now. It had helseth challenging the NA scene saying the EU scene had already figured out this comp.

Also maybe it was true for you and many others but the people i play PvP with were always frustrated with the insane amount of sustain that the scrappers and mesmers had. You can go back can check me on my posts and see even in beta i was complaining about the amount of boons people were able to sustain for long periods of time.

I wasnt surprised with the new meta and many told me it was a L2P issue and its funny because the 2 classes you mentioned are actually the 2 classes my guild mates and I wanted to see even back when HOT first got released.

A big thing people are asking for is MMR resets on league starts. This overall is a great way for league seasons because everyone plays everyone and que times should be 1 minute or less.

The negative is elite players farming bad ones at the start of the season which might not be the best.

Another thing which im against is this PiP system. Points being earned on a match by match basis and showing the players makes it so people get very frustrated very fast. Still right now the 2 best players i know are in amber simply because they dont want to grind a season for a back pc.

There needs to be a more rewarding system/ leader board/ for hardcore players as well as a Rank/Division system that means something to the players. We are not getting that in this season and we wont with the next season.

There has to be fun to a system. When Anet plans to have 3-4 more season like this and after we get our shiny gold back pc what is to keep alot of people going? Anet throwing some other random object for us to get by grinding games?

I dont know what the goal of the season are, maybe its to get people to que up in matches and say the numbers are good. Im not going to suggest the full idea of what a league system and how division ranks could be obtained in my view. The idea of another season 1-2 months starts after this one and all of our division ranks reset and they ask us to start grinding again sounds horrific imo.