Guild Wars 2

Nels the Cornwhisperer.8025:

Oh, and for the record, Guild Wars: Prophecies was amazing at release IMO. Since it wasn’t really an MMO, it was an Action/RPG, with online capabilities. And for Action/RPG games for PC gamers in 2005, compare it with Fable: The Lost Chapters.

False. Fable TLC is an offline console RPG. Guild Wars vanilla should be compared to Diablo 2. And in that light, GW1 got the short end of the stick.
It did become brilliant after factions and especially with Nightfall, but for all the good things in Vanilla GW1, it was a short and relatively bland PVE game.

I actually want to use chests. Before launch I defended them in that they should always give more than 125 gems in items, but since it’s a gamble you may get stuff that isn’t directly useful.
There is already nice stuff in there, but the balance isn’t nearly where it should be. Dropping keys under the psychological barrier of 100gems would help big time. Either make them cost 80gems or severely buff items inside. And cut drop rate on tonics, no one cares.

Thing is, since keys drop from chests, they’re actually already pretty profitable but the initial cost is just too high.

Jormag

Owl nom nom nom

Owl was a delicious meal for dragon.

What this means is simply that you shouldn’t buy 6 bank slots if you only need 4. Don’t spend more than you can afford. Like don’t buy bag slots if you never run out of bag space (I don’t)

Why people always want to read negatively into very neutral statements is beyond me.

Rayham.6824:

Guild Wars has always been a game brand that listens to its player base. Why not take it a step further. Let players decide what they want you guys working on.

After you log in the game, just have a simple check box with four or five options and let active players vote for which content updates they want to see brought into the game over the next month or two.

Listen to does not mean cater to. You can rest assured that most threads are read by someone in the office. Arena.net has a very clear of what the players want. Not always does that equal what the game needs. Unpopular decisions are sometimes necessary to make a healthy game.

A.net made a lot of decisions I did not agree to in GW1. Sometimes it took months or years for me to realize why a particular unpopular decision was made, and how it positively affected the game.

It took half a year for GW1 to get its first content patch. It was only with factions that longevity content was added. Prophecies, good as it was, could be completed in 3 days and was a pvp game afterwards. PVE was fundamentally boring at launch.

So while I love how GW1 is a “complete” game, I do have the realistic expectations that it could take about a year before GW2 crystallizes into that same perfect spot.

Furthermore GW1 didn’t become perfect overnight. It was many, many incremental improvements that eventually led to the insanely good game it is right now. Factions introduced titles, which was proper end game. Nightfall introduced heroes which gave a dying game another chance. EotN gave hall of monuments which were achievements. Afterwards it’s easy to say that GW1 is a better game, it’s even more easy to forget how crappy it was at launch.

Tyrantis.8640:

NinjaEd.3946:

Better yet, Anet should purchase or partner up with GW2LFG.com and incorporate their menu into the game. It is idle, since you don’t have to mess with it and people will see it no matter where you go. Cities are empty already, just a bunch of ppl dancing holding costume brawls and talking conspiracies. Go to hoelbrak and try finding someone who isn’t below level 20.

I’m not saying your idea is bad, but I don’t think adding a twitteresque chat posting system in game would be the most resourceful thing they could do when they could just as likely add an auto pairing system. Auto pair (auto queue) would be a lot faster.

Faster does not equal better. GW2LFG trumps the WoW dungeon finder in all respects. It is a good thing if peopel are required to put effort into joining a dungeon, even if it’s as small as going to gw2lfg.com.

Iehova.9518:

Mesket.5728:

It should’ve been one of the first prerequisites.

I personally would’ve changed Gift of Mastery to have Gift of Dungeons instead of Gift of Jumping.

You mean replace the T6 junk in Gifts of Might and Magic by the 8 dungeon gifts? That’s a nice idea imho. As far as the Gift of Jumping goes, badges should only drop from players, should drop more often and should be added to inventory automatically.

Rising Dusk.2408:

You can buy and sell the end-game cosmetics of GW1, too, and yet no one complained about that. It’s curious that buying and selling the end-game cosmetics of GW2 has people in such a frenzy.

That said, it is not zero-effort to buy a legendary, either with real money via gems converted to gold or via in-game money earned as gold by any means. 1200+ gold is no small sum, and in gems that would cost $1056 US to buy outright. If someone is willing to pay an entire paycheck to ANet in order to have the gems to convert to gold to buy their legendary, then more power to them. That is a lot of real life work converted into gold, which is ultimately no less life investment than farming it all in-game. There is no zero-effort here; it’s a ton of effort no matter how you slice the cake.

To add to that my handful of copper.
1/ yes, in GW1 the end game was exactly the same. Buy ecto and shards from the trader and do 3 easy quests to unlock the crafter. Yet is was considered the most prestige armor in the game.

2/ $1000 dollars is barely 800 euros, not even a third of a normal paycheck or about minimum wage for a cleaning lady. But still a big amount to spend on a video game. Be my guest Someone has to pay the bills in Seattle.

I do think people should stop talking about third party sellers. Those who do are banned with their new shiny. Irrelevant for the discussion.

zKarp.6048:

After careful consideration and weighing all the positives and negatives, I’ve decided to make an effort make Guild Wars 2 an open source community game.

Putting effort towards something that’ll a/ never happen and b/ is not your choice. That’ll keep you busy for a while. I would reconsider if I were you.

Maybe you should start an open source project from scratch instead of trying to get your hands on proprietary code.

Several reasons. If you did crafting before lvl30 you get an unnatural boost which drops afterwards. Second, until you have your elite, there’s always something to go for which pushes you. With no unlocks pushing you, levelling becomes slow. Third, around 40 I started completing a few lower level zones on my main … they do give lower xp. After 60 you get the push to 80 which is enough to blast you through the last few levels. Lastly, at 40 the Trahearne story-arc starts which was rushed. Without a story to boost your XP big time, it’s only normal your levelling speed drops.

My advice …
- save up crafting until shortly after 30. You will want it.
- Start eating some XP food after lvl 40.
- Have a crafted set ready for every 5 levels so you have intermediary goals. My guardian was always slightly ahead with armorsmithing so at 55 his lvl 60 set is already in the bank. That gives enough drive to push.
- Map completion also gives intermediary goals resulting in big xp.

If that’s not enough, only start doing your personal story at 40. It gives a ton of XP and will blast you through several more boring levels.

After 50/50 and GWAMM I don’t have much reason anymore to do so. I sometimes want to play FoW once more but … I just can’t stand the slow combat and rooted casting anymore. I can’t stand how the only half decent builds are cookie cutters with no variety.
I love how GW2 gives you at least a functional and synergized build with your weapons, leaving the utility for personal choice.

Catisa.6507:

dungeons shouldn’t be part of the monthly in any way shape or form, nor should fractals.

Nor should wvw, nor should gathering, nor should crafting, nor should jumping puzzles, nor should playing the game in any way shape or form /sarcasm.

Sometimes I don’t like the monthly either. Do you hear me complaining? If I don’t like it … I just do something else.

Dragoon.9536:

Elektohund- yeah i meant monthly and ive never done Hotw to know how bad that is. But the main point of this is to allow dungeon to gain maybe an even ammount of love and stuff so that people can then suggest feed back etc so that dev. can see where they have gone wrong in a particular dungeon.

HotW is very easy. Just takes quite some time and half a brain. If you lack either, you won’t complete it. All bosses are of the spank and spank variety. Barely no tactics and high HP. Furthermore p2 and p3 end with underwater bosses which are even more easy with even more HP.

I do support your point though. Specific dungeons could be part of the rotation. If at any day far less people complete the daily, it surely shows a severe problem with the particular dungeon.

The dungeon finder in WoW was nice but it killed the open world by not adding equal or better rewards in the open world. Dungeons are the be-all-end-all of that game.

A dungeon finder should be implemented with extremely good, on par or better, rewards in the open world.

I saw a single bot since launch. Rezzed him. He immediatly started shooting stuff. Told him I’d report him in 5
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and reported him.

Angelus.1042:

marnick.4305:

It shouldn’t be on consoles because of several key issues.
- fracturing the playerbase. Nextbox and PS4 require a dedicated network.

- You have to pay Sony/Microsoft to deploy patches. Given the amount of updates any MMO requires, the console versions usually don’t get any.

- Too many hardware architectures. Optimizing for PC is already difficult enough. No need to get funky console hardware. Cell, while powerful, was a development nightmare. The Xbox360 with its shared memory wasn’t that much better.

- Development requirements regarding the OS. On xbox you are required to make playlists. On PS4 you are required to make trophies (and only trophies). That’d mean scrapping achievements for the PS4 version. I don’t think Arena.net needs even more people to dictate their terms.

There is a reason exclusives are the best games. As an oldtime xbox360 fanboy I’d much rather have a ps3 exclusive than a bad multi-plat title like GTA4. But that’s merely my observation. If you want an underpatched, non-supported version of GW2 on the PS4 … be my guest to promote that.

PS4 is pretty much straight PC on the inside now (again…read the PS4 specs in the first link on my OP…also nextbox is not confirmed but rumored to have AMD components as well)…porting wont be an issue.

It will still be an issue. Specs on paper are worth the value of the paper burned in a furnace. Specs in the real world are the only thing that matters, and for consoles that’s often not nearly as good as it sounds.

Playstation network links with PC gaming networks and server….iirc its Xbox live that has the closed network

Both have their fair share of limitations. If a.net can cope with that without compromising the PC game … sure why not. But past experience with flopped multi-plats shows that it’s pretty much impossible.

It shouldn’t be on consoles because of several key issues.
- fracturing the playerbase. Nextbox and PS4 require a dedicated network.

- You have to pay Sony/Microsoft to deploy patches. Given the amount of updates any MMO requires, the console versions usually don’t get any.

- Too many hardware architectures. Optimizing for PC is already difficult enough. No need to get funky console hardware. Cell, while powerful, was a development nightmare. The Xbox360 with its shared memory wasn’t that much better.

- Development requirements regarding the OS. On xbox you are required to make playlists. On PS4 you are required to make trophies (and only trophies). That’d mean scrapping achievements for the PS4 version. I don’t think Arena.net needs even more people to dictate their terms.

There is a reason exclusives are the best games. As an oldtime xbox360 fanboy I’d much rather have a ps3 exclusive than a bad multi-plat title like GTA4. But that’s merely my observation. If you want an underpatched, non-supported version of GW2 on the PS4 … be my guest to promote that.

In the early GW1 prophecies game Rangers, Mesmers and Necromancers were considered the “weak” professions. Eventually minion masters came, pet/barrage became a staple and Mesmers were always known as the most OP profession in skilled hands.

It is funny how perception changes so fast once the sheeple realize raw damage isn’t necessarily the most important thing. One youtube video showing a successful all-engi speedrun is all needed to fill gw2lfg.com with “lf2m engis only”.

Pistol is very much an aoe weapon. Almost every kit is aoe based. My biggest gripe is that engi is really really bad on single target which makes it a weak boss.

Underwater it is pretty much the best profession in the game. Go figure.

Robert Hrouda.1327:

marnick.4305:

Any exploit that’s a “Jumping Puzzle” and doesn’t specifically bug out is legit in my books. As such I consider the mountain jump in CM legit. Skipping the fire in AC is legit. Standing on top of the ruin so Howling King in AC doesn’t hit you is an exploit.

Legit in your books isn’t legit in ours. The mountain jumping is an exploit since we don’t intend for you to be able to go up there, and it allows you to skip through the natural progression of content we made.
The drakeheads in AC were intentionally made with a cute little workaround, if that’s the other you are implying is okay. I hope that is the issue you are talking about at least, since there isn’t a whole lot of fire in AC.

I do realize that my books aren’t the standard but my books are based on my experiences with the game. The players are trained with jumping puzzles from the get go. Arena.net created a skillset within the playerbase that is beyond what’s legal in other games. The dividing line can’t be as arbitrary as “this is intended” and “this isn’t”.

I did mean those drake heads and I had no idea whether or not that little jump was legal. By your definition, the drake heads could be considered part of the dungeon progression. By the same vein, jumping on top of the mountain may have been an intended rock puzzle. There is absolutely no way to find out for sure. If you want to divide legal jumping tricks from illegal ones, you need to define limits that can’t be discussed.

You are not giving us a clear way to know. If you make a statement, it should be non-debatable. Your current definition is clear as mud. And that’s why I stick to “don’t kill it when it can’t damage you” as a solid rule until a better one is presented.

Beast.9516:

Wow. Just wow. I wonder how the Jewish community feels about their religion being classified as a dirty word. That in and of itself is offensive. But I understand they have good intentions.

You should ask the gay community how they feel about gay being a curse word. In my opinion we should collectively mature a bit and not be insulted so easily.

When going through the materials the mystic clovers can potentially yield, I can’t shake the feeling the recipe is inherently profitable as long as the clovers themselves are a wished result. Virtually all alternative outcomes are a net profit.

The T6 are needed for Gifts of Might and Magic. Other materials are needed for other parts of the legendary. If my hunch is right, that’d mean gambling clovers makes the legendary cheaper, after all, a penny saved is a penny earned.

My temporary conclusion is that Mystic Clovers are a pita in so far that they are RNG based. Objectively though, as a gamble, every potential outcome is a win like a slots machine that gives back at least your initial quarter.

Opinions? Facts? Math?

I’m a casual and don’t know why casual should be parenthesized or linked to newbies. There’s a world of difference between them.
Furthermore I’m rather experienced and willing to guide. Casual people are more willing to guide other people.

Max Lexandre.6279:

I don’t see ANY POINT IN FUTURE EXPANSIONS without higher level cap.

You will launch expansions where we start at endgame???

I can’t understand. I supose leveling system is useless AT ALL. We all should start as level 80, there is no point anymore, no objective.

I wonder what is expansions all about, new areas? lol, new story? lol.
Without level cap, without any more items type or better items… Future expansions can’t be more than a new story and some new maps.

Isn’t that a good thing in and of itself. I’ll pay for the story and maps like I did in GW1. There’s no reason to presume that levels are a requirement for those.

YOU GUYS must understand that if there is new maps, new items, new things, the market will change anyways, with or without higher level cap.

Entirely correct. In GW1, expansion meant the prices of rubies, sapphires and obyx shifted big time. Even lower tier materials got new purposes which made them hugely desirable. So while the market changes, the stat cap doesn’t. Fresh winds don’t have to be destructive for old content.

A skilled and geared lvl 80 team beats a dungeon the fastest. That’s an undeniable fact of the game. No amount of strawman arguments like skill>gear is going to change that. Some people simply want the fastest possible run and require perfectly geared max level people for that.

Whether or not you want to play with people who only care about the fastest run is a different discussion entirely. Personally I don’t.

Waar Kijk Je Naar.8713:

marnick.4305:

It’s one of those small things that shows A.net really cares about their players. The only time you ever see a dev tag in <that big MMO> is when they ban you, even with cool events.

Don’t overreact. It was just an employee playing the game. He wanted a boost, so he got one. Nothing more, nothing less.

Well … in many games I have the impression the devs don’t even play the game they’re making.

Random elements are disastrous in PVP based scenarios because they take away skill in favor of luck. Whatever you’re doing yourself should be 100% predictable.

Should these crafting materials be unbound so they can be put on the TP?

RNG is RNG and I’ve not gotten my glob yet which is a requirement for crafting an ascended back. On the other hand I can imagine some lucky people stockpiling them and more than willing to sell them for some pocket change.

Ascended waterbreathers please! And make the AR only work when underwater.

Open up port 80 in your router. The gem store is a simple website and runs over TCP/IP 80 just like the chrome or firefox you’re using to safely access this forum.

Gems are always bought from other players, who put them in the system in the first place. By putting a cap on the sale price, supply will eventually dry up and the gold>gem system will die a sudden death.

You’re counting from the perspective of gold which is fundamentally wrong. Gems are only coupled to real money. The conversion is based on market price.

PS: I’m waiting until I get 2gp/100gems before I sell my supply.

if prices go up even more, it will become much less appealing to buy things from the gem store.

On the contrary. People will be MORE inclined to actually go out and buy the gems with real money.

CassieGold.7460:

3) Armor repair and waypoint costs, though I feel those are trivial…

This one sinks the most of all. It is not trivial in volume.

Novalight.7568:

marnick.4305:

Malediktus.9250:

Lol, european people are getting poorer at a rapid rate thanks to incompetent politicians. Only a small percentage is profiting from EU. So I doubt there is a major purchasing power difference between US and EU.

You haven’t been to the EU right? I’ve been to the states several times. We are far richer than US residents. I would wager a factor x2 for entry level jobs. I am 27 and have full social security, healthcare benefits and three retirement plans, pay for an unemployed partner and the theoretical disposable income to hire a full time servant if I wish so. I’m still at relatively low income level.

However this is also the reason we are in economic trouble. We have to accept losing some of our wealth in order to not lose all. Not everyone is prepared to give up 5% of their large wealth to save our economy.

Kudos for having a good job.

Anti-kudos for writing what you wrote and ignoring millions of unemployed, whole countries going kinda down the drain (idk Greece), whole countries that have average pay 500-600 EUR/month and so on and so forth.

Apart from Greece those countries don’t exist in Europe. In Belgium there’s 7% unemployment and they do get 1000 euros every single month. Apart from Germany, minimum wage is at least 900 euros across the board, higher in many countries. Don’t make false statements.

I don’t even have a particularly good job. Just entry level at market-conform wage. Thanks for the kudos.

80 is already 60 levels too many. Some may even go so far as to say it’s 79 levels too many.

It’s one of those small things that shows A.net really cares about their players. The only time you ever see a dev tag in <that big MMO> is when they ban you, even with cool events.

I don’t discriminate on level as long as it’s above the minimum requirement.

Sure, a lvl 80 is faster due to higher stats, that’s not debatable but honestly … I don’t care about fast. I care about fun. Lower level people tend to be a bit more fun. Whether twinks or newbies, I feel pretty good about helping other people.

Any exploit that’s a “Jumping Puzzle” and doesn’t specifically bug out is legit in my books. As such I consider the mountain jump in CM legit. Skipping the fire in AC is legit. Standing on top of the ruin so Howling King in AC doesn’t hit you is an exploit.

Iehova.9518:

There’s still no reason to kill champs, Colin. Blue does not good reward make.

Which part of “at least” do you not understand?

Nayaru.4716:

Mystic forge in all the cities. <3 Dungeon Vendors. <3 One free cultural teleport stone (Like the hall of monuments one) that takes you back to the city of your race. <3 Do want! xD

The problem is that LA has everything. And that problem has a reason, because, as a developer, you simply know people will find the place with all the necessary facilities.
- crafting
- bank
- TP
- free portals
- WvW
- MF
- Jumping puzzles (which no other city has)
- dungeon/laurel vendors

In LA you simply have everything you need. For most players, that’s a boon.

I’ve been pretty vocal about my life on these forums thus far. I have a good job, wonderful soon-to-be-wife and an active social life involving triathlons. However since my early youth videogames have been my primary hobby, and they still are. RPGs and especially MMORPGs are my favourite genre by far. My only gripe with this genre is the amount of time the require to do meaningful play.

What I love most about GW2 is how the game is catered to time limited players. After doing all the chores, my fiancé watches her soap series daily, and in that 20 minute frame I can get my own dailies done. By doing so I can meaningfully progress in this game. Comparing to other MMO games where a 2-3 hour time slot is the minimum requirement for meaningful play, I love how 20 minutes is enough in GW2.

Secondly, the game scales well. Some days I obviously have more time, and doing either explorables or FotM allows me to scale up the rewards depending on free time I have at hand.

burnoutlegend.5740:

Why is it £20? How is that logical in any respect. With my current work scheme that is 7 hours of work to change server. It barely costs anything to do it, so why is the pricing so high?

That would be around 2,80 euros for a single hour of work? I call bluff.

You obviously never flew from Stormwind to EPL. It was already boring the second time around.

While ascended gear has some benefits you should not forget some of the drawbacks:
- it is far less flexible because you don’t have a choice in gems
- it is far less flexible because it lacks several stats
In a game that’s skill based, flexibility trumps raw numbers in many cases. Given that +healing ascended does not exist means that several builds become worse with ascended.

That being said, I don’t think it was the good way to implement a new tier. It is getting easier though and new items are released at a very slow pace. I’m still on the edge but inclining towards positive if and only if this is the only new tier to be released and no new levels.

+5 AR is free with a handful of tokens. The +5 power, which can be safely neglected, is the progression stat. By making the stat both small and extremely expensive, it is nothing more than an kitten item. Furthermore, more than 5AR is never needed by most people.

For 99% of people this recipe can be safely ignored.

However this is exactly the case in almost every other online game. Players always find each other and flock to the biggest place. That way a lfg or wts has the most effect.

The only way to pull people to other cities is to make events happen there. But even then … only the city with the most profitable events will have any players.

Malediktus.9250:

Lol, european people are getting poorer at a rapid rate thanks to incompetent politicians. Only a small percentage is profiting from EU. So I doubt there is a major purchasing power difference between US and EU.

You haven’t been to the EU right? I’ve been to the states several times. We are far richer than US residents. I would wager a factor x2 for entry level jobs. I am 27 and have full social security, healthcare benefits and three retirement plans, pay for an unemployed partner and the theoretical disposable income to hire a full time servant if I wish so. I’m still at relatively low income level.

However this is also the reason we are in economic trouble. We have to accept losing some of our wealth in order to not lose all. Not everyone is prepared to give up 5% of their large wealth to save our economy.

I would recommend gilded infusion. Long term gold increase > short term gold gain.

After that, it depends on your wish to gamble.
- lodestone promotion is the sure way to create 27s
- heavy crafting bags are also a good way to create gold
- equipment boxes are a gamble
- green crafting tools are free compared to orichalcum picks.

puffintoast.6501:

- An acknowledgment of an issue is not the same thing as declaring in the very title of their thread that it is a “perceived” issue to some. Quite a large difference there.
- They closed the existing thread, with all it’s pertinent information and reports, and reopened it as vaguely directed call for more information on an issue they did not directly admit even existed, without providing any concrete, methodical means or tools for people to utilise to steer the ‘investigation’ in any meaningful direction.
- Simply declaring it an ‘X-Files’ level conspiracy, with all the inherent derisive intent that implies, was enough to clearly outline the seriousness with which they were undertaking their endeavours.
And finally, you stated that they created another sticky post to say “Hey, we were wrong. There is a problem. Sorry about that.”
It is the clear lack of an apology that is the issue here, and it is fast becoming the hallmark of any red post.
After such a protracted and heated topic is brought to any form of conclusion by them, it is the very least they could do.
All this rallying of defense around the developers, to the resounding mantra of “entitled whiner”, serves one purpose only, and that is to further derail the issue from it’s origins, which are sadly now sinking to the bottom of the forum pits.
You have to hand it to the Nexon insertion, and their ability to manipulate the blockheads. They really do know their stuff.

You have a right to your opinion. I have a right to call it wrong. Not only that but the post you quoted proved you were wrong factually so your opinion simply doesn’t hold any weight anymore. A.net did the right thing here. If you want to stick it to Nexon, that’s conspiracy level again but I can’t support that stupid allegation.

Valandil Dragonhart.2371:

marnick.4305:

Extremely complex loot issue gets finally resolved. Player is still not thankful but goes even deeper into the conspiracy nonsense. Entitlement much?

At least a.net fixes these things. Complex issues take time. Really … what a stupid thread this is.

I can’t believe you went there… you obviously don’t know what they’re capable of. Tell me, have you actually seen something fixed in this game, without breaking something else (sometimes completely unlrelated) in the process? This is Anet’s infamy. Most times they’ll overlook game mechanics that desperately need fixing as well, only to release sparkly lemon-fresh new content.

If those issues only affect a small minority, I would delay those issues too in favor of fixing things that affect the majority of people playing the game. It’s called priorities. Doesn’t mean no one works on the minor issues you perceive as important.

Also it’s far from conspiracy, but you obviously side with and take the word of Señor Johanson, blithely overlooking the facts. Trust me it’s not resolved yet.

See what happens when the update is implemented – then engage brain and put mouth into gear.

I’ll take you up to that challenge but I expect you to do exactly the same.

puffintoast.6501:

marnick.4305:

Valandil Dragonhart.2371:

puffintoast.6501:

After everything that has been thrown into this topic by so many people, I think you owe us a little more than this, Colin.

What’s a good form of recompense, I wonder…. hmmm…

This post/topic starter gets a massive +1 from me, and probably one of the best +1 candidates this forum has seen. Well done.

A ban for trolling? A suspense for being entitled? Plenty of good responses I could think of.

Not too shabby, Marnick – two posts, two appearances of the tiresomely popular ‘entitlement’ dribble. Oh how much IGN has to answer for, birthing that monstrously idiotic catch-phrase.
I did love the ‘suspense for being entitled’, though. Quite the best oddly-relevant typo I’ve seen for a while.
I laughed until I stopped.

One should always call things by their name. If a thread is full of entitlement, one shouldn’t be ashamed of calling it exactly what it is. If you want to make that my third entitlement quote in this thread, so be it. Doesn’t make the OP any less entitled.