Guild Wars 2

Saturn.6591:

messiah.1908:

condi shatter mesmer – chorno doesnt really suit condi shatter. slow with confusion doest work well. but still this build works but do you really want to take condi chorno into pvp (same as condi shatter before)

Didn’t actually test that yet, but you do not have to use slow as a chronomancer. You could go for DE, increased scepter attackspeed, and quickness on shatter (and the rest of the traits like you want/what makes the most sense for you with a condi shatter build). Could be a hard decision between improved alacrity duration and clone on shatter, though. Possibly with staff and scepter/shield or so. Maybe you don’t even need DE; dunno (as I didn’t test it yet). But I assume you’d get quite some clone-production going with the scepter auto-attack, lots of shatters and a kinda high alacrity uptime.

slow from shield
goind DE means i dont take chaos so no stability and protection and reflect while getting 1 more clone every 8 sec inaverage and little bleeding stakcs.

with chorno i dont have problem to create clones although its not fast as i would want it to be like DE.

so what you guys think so far for each build in pvp

bunker/support mesmer
power shatter mesmer
powerlock mesmer
condi shatter mesmer

my thoughts :
bunker/support mesmer – nicely done with support and boonshare. can handle 1v2 on point. but does ele can share 2 boons and auras and cleanse better now?!
power shatter mesmer – does it really need chorno and wells?
powerlock mesmer – more suitable with chorno imo. but can it enter the pvp arena mid high lvl? i just wish
condi shatter mesmer – chorno doesnt really suit condi shatter. slow with confusion doest work well. but still this build works but do you really want to take condi chorno into pvp (same as condi shatter before)

the problem is with us
so much time we spend as d/p with stealth kiting than with staff with no stealth we dont know how to handle ….

with my p/p build which i took 2 months b4 the release i train alot without stealth and now i manage it just fine with bound

maybe we will see more s/d comeback along side the d/p meta (i dont think d/p need DD)
but staff atm need adjustment for gamestyle

i get what you saying

trap is the skill which proc stealth from the rune

probably you are correct but still think it should be fixed

Nemaides.6873:

I have been discussing this matter with fellow thieves of my guild (wvw).

In a WvW focus party context we agreed that the meta d/p + shortbow with DA/TR/SA won’t change much, except maybe for gear (adding some vitality to compensate the guard’s buffs loss).

The Shadow Arts Traits are too much of a must have, for quick stealth rez, Shadow Embrace obviously, the damage mitigation, and regen.

Trickery is on the same spot, the augmented INI pool, Stun on F1, and F1 cooldown reduction are mandatory.

Deadly Arts, synergize extremely well with Trickery, with Mug, and Improvisation.

In the end, I don’t see any room to put the new elite spec DD.
Even if it may give good mobility and little sustain, it won’t come as handy as Shadow Arts in terms of condi cleanse, regen, and survivability.

Feel free to contradict though.

regarding condi removal i had so far with DD easy time to cleanse condition

my only problem was condi necro if he used signet on me which cover all conditions
mesmer stack mainly 2 condi torment and confusion so just 1 withraw remove them both
guard burning just dodge remove it
ele the same
ranger the same with bleed and poison

but if i cough in condi burst than i need to use all my dodge evade to cleanse them all
but so far DD works for me

i just want to be par with every other class cause atm regardig dmg and defnese ability we defenetly not par

i like the idea when i steal suddenly i have sr or ss ready up or trap.
25% cd wont give it and thief must has some quick skill activation so now i have to w8 few more seconds. but maybe works better with skill inherent reduce cd trait like signet and tricks ….
also only recharge 1 skill slot wont do that but i rather see 1 skill recharge than none and w8ing

dont know what to choose

i think its a bug . posted in the bug section so lets see

it nerfed for 2 sec but with thief and SA should be 3 sec and its still 2 sec

they nerf trapper rune for 2 sec stealth

harkem.2051:

Hey there, I loved your video, it’s great! I have an honest question, though. The Bound dodge is clearly superior to the other two dodges, but being a condi-based Thief (who hasn’t played much PvP), I’m tempted to take the Lotus dodge instead, for a bit of extra damage, kiting ability, and Blinding Bolts combo. Do you think the Lotus can be better than Bound in some situations?

for condi p/p i cant say i would recommend it for pvp atm. but you can try it p/p with trap and trapper runes which gives you stealth
your low armor and hp makes yo so vulnerable for cc and burst dmg
something like this
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vZAQJAqan8lCdmitNB+NBkmiFZCjLH0CeBzdwQYJUbPNFCAA-TZQZAAQZAA

does thief should be the best dmg burst class ? no
does thief use stealth to surprise his enemies? engi mesmer guard and ranger now
are they deadly in 1v1? not any more

so this game is not realistic with thief
so give 1200 range which wont help the above problem

thanks for the input
absortion is not in pvp right?
have you play it in tpvp?

Chips.7968:

But thief isn’t supposed to be about ranged play – why else have shadowstep teleports to the opponent and high mobility?

We’re a highly mobile (lulz) class that darts in and out hitting hard and fast, using blind and stealth to disorientate and exasperate. It may not quite work like that in reality all the time, but that’s the base idea. The staff plays into this (from what I hear, yet to get the Daredevil specialisation yet) with lots of evasive actions.

I don’t want to see thieves standing at 1200 distance plinking away with short bow/pistols so I really don’t want to see a range increase.

ATM thief has hard time melee in tpvp also diversity in play style
Like guard has range longbow
Good thief plays longer in his Sb than burst fast in melee
With all the aoe wells traps we can’t do kitten

ANET common do so with SB and pistols
every other class has better dmg than us and also they got better range

now as we cant go melee with all the traps ,well, aoe, chill, stealth you probably see by now that we needs you to hear us (at least me)

sure more buff (or nerf to others) are needed but start with this pls

you are loosing the thief community slowly but surely

also few tips with Daredevile you should consider:
weakening strikes – when enemy weaken you take 20% less dmg from him/ or you get protection for 3 sec
evasive empourment – when dodge you do 10% more dmg and take 10% less dmg for 2 sec
driven fortitude – when evade you heal and take 10% less dmg for 2 sec
rickoshet – bring it back as a baseline with pistols
sb+pp range 1200

this will give thie thief short windows of defense with 10%-30% less dmg for 2-3 sec

Clear.8512:

messiah.1908:

Clear.8512:

Was playing around with this build last in Spvp and was doing really well. Thanks for all the information and a change of pace from X & Sb.

glad i could help but dont expect it to be OP build rather fun build in low mid tier which ppl dont expect yet.
rememebr that atm many other class and build can reflect and put huge aoe on you. if i see 2 eles i will switch to d/p or take other role in the game like harrasing the guard/necro/thief/mesmer. ranger ele and engi are unbitable atm.
the P/P now need more tactic gameplay where in it i hardly spam unload rather sneak attack

i am working on STAFF build . so far if i was better with it, i could do wonder but its hard to play with pugs

Not a problem. I am never going to be a high tier pvp player nor do I have an organized team to play with so even if it is not meta as long as it is enjoyable and I have a fighting chance then I am happy.

so far this build with DD gave me the most wins (higher the d/p) as i hardly in melee range . but if i get focused i am dead

hi ppl

so this is my concept i am working around and would love to get feedback as i tried this only few times and it worked 50% of the time.

the concept is to use as much as possible the AA stealth attack to KD
to get stealth i use trap runes with 2 traps and 1 heal trait traps and SA line so steal is stealth. so basicaly i got 5 stealth abilities which can be rotated

my problems: every class has some stability spamming . rev when dodging, ele when using his attunment, ranger, warrior, mesmer if traited, necro with RS
so i need someone to remove it b4 i burst. or to w8 till it wear off.

also thief atm too squishy with all the dmg around and aoe so melee attack is very dangerous. thus i tough maybe to go soldier and to be some sort of point holder or cc helper also with weakness and blind. but than my dmg drops down drasticaly.

but maybe the hard cc may be too needed so it can be viable?

this is the build with rune of the trapper:
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vZAQJAWVn8lClNh9NBmOBkmiFeCjrEkBGBzJwFYFU7M9DCAA-TZBBwASOEAAuAAYeAAmLDs5IAAA

you are right. ranger and engi got huge dmg mitigation. protection 33% . rune of scrapper 7% more toughness etc..

hard life for a thief. go condi

Clear.8512:

Was playing around with this build last in Spvp and was doing really well. Thanks for all the information and a change of pace from X & Sb.

glad i could help but dont expect it to be OP build rather fun build in low mid tier which ppl dont expect yet.
rememebr that atm many other class and build can reflect and put huge aoe on you. if i see 2 eles i will switch to d/p or take other role in the game like harrasing the guard/necro/thief/mesmer. ranger ele and engi are unbitable atm.
the P/P now need more tactic gameplay where in it i hardly spam unload rather sneak attack

i am working on STAFF build . so far if i was better with it, i could do wonder but its hard to play with pugs

just take axe off hand and you have another gap closer common

the problem now as i see for thief is they cant handle the pressure in pvp from melee cause all the traps , aoe, chill, etc.. guards, necro, ranger, mesmer have

which is why i have more easy time with p/p but than again why not to role other class and contribute better…

hi sry i haven had much time as i was with tpvp

here is the build
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vZAQJAoYn8lCdmiFOBmOBkmilWCzrM0GSRznwV4LULAcAWAA-TVhPwAN1DsW9HrKBBs/gJlfAA-w
roaming mainly in wvw with condi build
your main weakness is hard cc and condi bomb as your condi cleanse comes from evades and dodges this is why you have lots of endurance gain

have fun

bliss.4305:

messiah.1908:

bliss.4305:

Sorry but I had to stop after seeing your duels with the Warrior and shortly after Necro. My conclusion:

Build is bad, opponents are bad, you are bad.

Don’t take it personally, thief & daredevil are both in a bad spot. But this video contributes to nothing of significance in terms of high-end pvp gameplay or the viability of thief in the pvp scene.

you know how many vids i see out there which makes me think the enemies are bad. all the wvw duels pretty much against bad players. and why? cuase thief in a bad spot.
i just try to take the p/p and clean of the dust of it. and it works.
i duel against my friends who were +500 rank and i consider good players. and it works and sometimes it just dont.

for high end i state p/p wont make it there and probably/maybe thief either.

but thanks for your comments.

also edit:

i didnt try to make you think this build is op rather how it works. you can take it from here and make it better if you think you can.
p/p lack of stealth and now it has.
condi cleanse as you can see i trasfer torment. cleanse some condis etc.
the burst from range 7k dmg 50% hp etc…
the blind spamming and more

remember almost no one played p/p for 3 years…. what you expect…..

I’m actually very sorry about my previous post… It wasn’t supposed to be for this thread.

I just had 2 different P/P thief threads open and I watched a horrible one and by mistake commented on yours. Your build and gameplay is a million times better.

Just to reference on that horrid video, will link it here:

http://youtu.be/Tyw_eJwGKfk

^ This was the one I was supposed to bash Will remove my previous comment.

Again, sorry for the confusion. Thumbs up for the effort to make p/p viable

we are cool. i also saw his video and its seems more wvw build variant 1v1 dueling. dash wont save you in team fight ….. and the ability to stealth and sneak with perma blind is priceless . also his dmg mostly came from d/p and not p/p

SlayerSixx.5763:

messiah.1908:

I will try your ideas
But steal gives you one more dodge every 20 sec
Trick remove condition
Daze on demand
3 more initiatives
And dmg modifier 5-15 %

Sure vigor is needed but the stealth give some time to regen and the blind combo with bound amazing

And jump dodge don’t work with bound as you wish at least for me

The buffed vigor beats the steal in the long run, IMO. Escapists absolution + unhindered extended dodge animation is godlike condi clear. Have a ranger rapid fire you and he’ll cleanse all of the condis for you. Don’t forget condi mesmer and their cheesy crap finally screws themselves over. The mesmer+the clones will make sure they negate their own condi application. Burn guard drops his whole burst and then smites, the smite will easily cleanse everything you need.

For daze, you’ve got access to headshot if absolutely necessary (interrupting DH barrage, true shot/reaper gravedigger etc).

You’ll never really enjoy that initiative damage boost since you’re constantly burning it up. Again, if you want damage, 10% damage boost when target has condi applied to them and another 20% with executioner (hell, improv is also great if you feel like the damage isn’t necessary).

As far as I can see, the only realistic bonus trick gives that acro or DA don’t offer is the 3 initiative, but experienced thieves don’t burst all of their initiative in one go unless they’re sure it’ll take the target down.

you do know that evade cleanse only 1 condi every 1 sec. so you cant cleanse all condi on one evade…
i do think that bound is much better cause of the blind and the ability to stealth so enemy has to retarget you. had 1v1 versus ele and ranger on contesting point and didnt die until they did 2v1 and than i just disengage. while with dash seem more roaming wvw ability with p/p

bliss.4305:

Let’s change the topic into is Thief/Daredevil viable, shall we?

Answer: Its SO viable, top 2 NA thieves switched from Thief to Revenant and Ranger.

I feel sad for my 3 year main class… RIP

i dont know why the switched. is it cause they want to experiment or they are bored with thief? or is it just the other class so better than thief atm….

bliss.4305:

Sorry but I had to stop after seeing your duels with the Warrior and shortly after Necro. My conclusion:

Build is bad, opponents are bad, you are bad.

Don’t take it personally, thief & daredevil are both in a bad spot. But this video contributes to nothing of significance in terms of high-end pvp gameplay or the viability of thief in the pvp scene.

you know how many vids i see out there which makes me think the enemies are bad. all the wvw duels pretty much against bad players. and why? cuase thief in a bad spot.
i just try to take the p/p and clean of the dust of it. and it works.
i duel against my friends who were +500 rank and i consider good players. and it works and sometimes it just dont.

for high end i state p/p wont make it there and probably/maybe thief either.

but thanks for your comments.

also edit:

i didnt try to make you think this build is op rather how it works. you can take it from here and make it better if you think you can.
p/p lack of stealth and now it has.
condi cleanse as you can see i trasfer torment. cleanse some condis etc.
the burst from range 7k dmg 50% hp etc…
the blind spamming and more

remember almost no one played p/p for 3 years…. what you expect…..

Yes I can help you
Whisper me ingame eu server

Still meta build with great dmg blind daze ability as before
The reveal skills aren’t being used yet much

I will try your ideas
But steal gives you one more dodge every 20 sec
Trick remove condition
Daze on demand
3 more initiatives
And dmg modifier 5-15 %

Sure vigor is needed but the stealth give some time to regen and the blind combo with bound amazing

And jump dodge don’t work with bound as you wish at least for me

FinalPatriot.8034:

Would a variant of this work in WvW and PvE as well? It does look pretty fun to play.

i dont pve at all so cant comment on it
wvw sure even better than pvp as you get higher dmg modifier and also work nice with zerg as you pew pew from range

kaikalii.4198:

I find daredevil incredibly useful. I have been able to beat most builds with it, the hardest matchup being scrapper. If you don’t think that the staff is a good burst weapon, just try user #2 -> steal and watch their hp go from 100% to 30%. Its about as mutch damage as backstab, only you don’t need to be in stealth or behind them.

Escapist’s Absolution + Dash combined with 5 dodges (3+heal) is the best condi removal thief has probably ever had, and I find Dash gives greater survivability than D/P stealth.

IMO, arenanet did a great job with daredevil. The only people don’t realize this is because is doesn’t match their preconceived notions.

you mean in pvp? as its hard to play 1v1 as a thief without loosing time just doing 1v1.
i hoped for staff to be more unique weapon instead of just dmg as d/p . maybe its too soon to tell after i play with it more

Loboling.5293:

I still haven`t lost a game on my thief since the expansion. I`ve only won 3 times though…. Either way unless there was an MMR reset, Daredevil seems strong. I’ve been player a zerker build (13k hp with wurm runes) and barely die. It is very fast paced and fun. I actually won my last game paired with another thief. We only won by 8 points and kills at the end, it was beautiful come back (we decapped everything and killed our way from a 30 points behind).

I think if you like Thief, you will probably enjoy the daredevil. If you felt Thief was underwhelming, you probably won’t feel very different now. The Daredevil is every bit as twitch focused as the Thief. You need to be on the ball all the time and one mistake can kill you. But it feels a little like playing old school Vindictus at times on my old Lann.

Fast paced and has strengths. I think the daredevil elite spec is wonderfully done; one of the more balanced elites. It doesn’t feel stronger per se than normal traitlines, but it is specialized and works really well for what it does. I am so excited for the sniper elite spec coming next (fingers crossed)

this is the problem ppl facing now with DD compare to others elite spec.
DD seem balance. with good condi cleanse while attacking so can go without SA, nice dodges abilities so can go without ACRO,
but what unique it brings to the thief?. none. as other saud befoe just another dodge (or 2 with steal)
necro got great dmg in melee and nice soft cc aoe. can play condi with burning, minions master with rise etc…
mesmer can play now bunker support and powerblock and the bect concept for elite IMO
ranger – havent play it but i heard ppl like it alot both power spec and support spec
ele – also nice conpet which is bugged atm but can go without water line with shouts and rune which cleanse condi etc..

also every other class got dmg buffed while thief stay the same. why? cause of stealth
d/p will be the meta for long time
you wont see much interupt builds like s/p in pvp

i love the thief and hope anet will adress its problems soon or else all thief will go revenant….

hi ppl
so here is build tutorial and few clips in group fight in pvp

i think with more few adjustment the p/p can be viable like 1200 range, evade attack etc..

hope you like the build and the concept

pls comment and share your thoughts

I think the problem you saying is with the staff and not the trait line
I find the trait line as an alternative to shadow art

My dp thief handle it well and also PP
With staff I theory craft more control build than dmg

i have better build
taking more video material for it so it will be up soon
and yes bound trait is much better it team fight imo atm
you did more dmg with d/p than p/p ….

can confirm. warhorn #4 is bugged . no might is being transfer

Curunen.8729:

messiah.1908:

stop the chit chat and start downlouding the game 20 min to chorno opiness

Shush you, let’s play and have fun before the knee-jerk nerf complaints start to flood in. I don’t want a repeat of the MtD nerf! xD

But I also think Anet won’t nerf any of the elite specs for at least 3-6 months in order to sell the expansion.

i bet we will see some nerf sooner to the mesmer and thief classes

stop the chit chat and start downlouding the game 20 min to chorno opiness

OMG common 30 min

when it will be available to play? 1 hour or 12 hours?

the only problem i found with my thief is that itst hard to play with when my ping goes above 110 while with other class which are more forgiving you still can

what i have found funny is that p/p thief is hard counter to thus build
just pew pew and you dead unless you dont want to contest the point
but basically every other range class dmg is hard-counter to trap ranger

i will happy to help you out
whisper me in-game when i am online

Azure The Heartless.3261:

Time to address some nonsense.

messiah.1908:

first of all why you wanna do 1v1

The official GW2 Thief Wiki

Thieves are expert in the shadow arts. They utilize stealth and shadowstepping to surprise and to get close to their target. They’re deadly in one-on-one combat using their agility, acrobatic fighting style, and the ability to steal to overcome their enemies.

kolompi.1287:

Don’t play support guardian, your only role is to remove conditions and heal people in team fights.

Don’t play pewpew ranger, your only role is to snipe people that are unaware of you being there.

Don’t play engineer, your only role is to run around being tanky and holding off people.

Don’t play mesmer, your only role is to burst.

Don’t play warrior, your only role is to go rampage and throw rocks.

Garbage viewpoint. All of the aforementioned classes have a spec that allows them to play in a manner other than the one you listed, and all of the classes you mentioned do not include “running away” or “utility” as their strong suit.

You’ve missed the point in an effort to be snarky. Try again.

Saiyan.1704:

Bad thieves are bad in pvp because they concentrate more on being in team fights and 1v1ing classes, instead of roaming to +1 and rotating the map to backcap nodes. If you don’t like that class, talk to your dev on Daredevil, surely some one must have talked about expanding the Thief role.

See thief wiki for dev intent of the class.

LOL

speaking of wvw point of view. thief are deady 1v1 and sometime 1v2. but take this on pvp where you should also contest,res,stomp, decap, cap etc and have timer above your head… it just waist of time. if no times was than everone would go pu condi mesmer best1v1 if you wanna fight 2 days accoumplish nothing

when playing in premade i am loosing sometimes and playing against premade i am winning sometimes

sure premade should have better communication but sometimes just reading the map and being at the right spot doing what your class/role should do with silent is far better than communicate.

i didnt read the whole thread but to say thief is useless is so worng

first of all why you wanna do 1v1 when you can teleport so fast between point to help your team in 3v2 or 4v3 and secure few kills while decaping and releave some pressure from your team.
thief cannoy contest a point without waisting time so again why 1v1?
also regarding 1v1. good thief can handle 1v1 versus almost any class if time is on hand. d/p with stealth kite few hits here and there stealth again and repeate when enemy skills are on cd can yiled a win for you. but again loosing time.
you hardly see 1v1 on pvp match unless there is a reason to do so. like prevent the bunker/sustain to move from a point and helping his team etc…
i wish when i group up we had a thief with us….
when i play thief with a group i hardly join team fight rather decap/cap like crazy so even when my team lost in the fight we winning by points…

1v3 as condi mesmer. down 1 dd ele, and put 2 enemy below 25% hp so when help came it was fast kill.
4v5 win as we were the blue team while i though we are red and scream to my team how can we loosing in a 5v4 (i was drunk)
killing enemies with a P/P thief and getting highest score killing /decaping/caping/ressing and doing 350k dmg

Tao.5096:

messiah.1908:

range attack of any kind will kill any necro
necro doesnt have range weapon – staff
so thief with SB and burst at the right moment with blind spamming can counter it
ranger LB etc..

the main idea for the necro is they are good point holder with DS second health pool. so if help comes in time it will be hard for you to take them

if you going melee than go warrior with lots of cc. but other than that dont or spam blind

Weapons:
- Staff(1200)
- Dagger(600)2nd and 3rd skill
- Axe(900)
- Scepter(900)
- Focus(1200)Offhand
- Warhorn(600)Offhand
- Dagger(900)Offhand

Death Shroud:
- Life Blast(1200)
- Dark Path(1200)
- Doom(1200)AoE
- Life Transfer(600)AoE
- Tainted Shackles(600)AoE

Utility:
- Corruption(1200)
- Signet(600/1200)
- Spectral(900/1200)
- Well(900)
- Minion(Close/900/1200)

Elite:
- Lich Form(1200)

So, what did you say again about Necro not having range weapons and being easily killed by ranged.

Warrior with a lot of CC? You mean Hammerbads?
DS stunbreak every 7 sec + 1 stack of Stability.

Sorry to break your bubble, but to roll a good(not top/best w/e) Necro, you’ll need 2 Hammer Warriors who know what to do.

Or, Double Rampage.

Well, that’s until Friday of course.

And almost forgot – don’t say silly stuff like Blind spam is a counter to Necro.
Blind spam counters every class.

omg this argument again
staff is hybrid dmg and low one and the AA easy to dodge evade
axe no one use
scepter is condi so no burst from it while you can burst from range
focus no one use and easy to dodge evade
dagger mainly melee uses
utilities:
all of them just need to step aside and no dmg
lich – just blind it and do 2 dodge and 15 sec pass easily or evne better los in certain maps and you do fine.

and yes blind counter everyone and NECRO and he ask how to counter so blind is the correct answer you left to mention so stop bla bla just for the bla bla .
and also range is the correct answer btw.

hello
i am looking for new guild/team to play with for tpvp and become a higher lvl player
willing to learn and give from my knowledge to ppl
my main is mesmer/necro/thief and had my share with guard and ranger
i play 4-6 days in a week 7pm-10pm
eu server mainly
+2k games and 55% win rate

so wisper me ingame if you wanna test me

here is my video build theorycraft
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4n1zi72Zr4&feature=youtu.be

hope you like it and who knows maybe will be viable