Guild Wars 2

thanks guys

as for now this build is fun and good 1v1 with the high pressure
against condi spec i didnt have much trouble so far as my pets give me the ability to even more pressure while i am AA with bleeds stacks

but i see what you saying so i switch to this build
more vitality more conditions cleanse les bleed pressure (i tried EB but didnt see much difference)
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fNAQNAV8YjEqUzaHLusQ1aABhaVA0uGu3u2d++DfdFrkC-TlyCwAVOIAAuAA4U/RxDA4lOgUaGwq8byRAY2+DjVCSKAYmDA-w

but again 1v2 is so hard. even i manage to take 1 down the other one is hard to pressure meanwhile (i used to play thief so 1vX is basic)

with survival build it would be buff as you got 2 more conditions cleanse and fury and add rune which give more boons like migh every 48 seconds

guessing traps build 2,6,6,0,0 and survival build 2,0,6,6,0

armor i am guessing mix rabid, healing power
condition dmg on ~1550

respect for the 1vx as i havent manage to do so in my new ranger

thanks!

i am new to a ranger

the main idea is to stack fast up to 20 stacks of bleeding covered with few more conditions like vulnerability, poison, chill, burning so the enemy wont have time to react

work nice 1v1 against condi engi, thief and mesmer

my main problem are d/x thieves stealth game and meditation guardian

and i cant handle 1v2

do ranger even can handle 1v2?

is it any good for wvw roaming and group play?

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fNAQNAV8YjMq0ua5K+rQ1ag8gaVA0OI223m9GsCtQBraA-TlyCwAVOIAAuAA4U/RxDA4lOgUaGwq8byRAY2+DjVCSKAYmDA-w

try it out and you’ll be amazed
in some cases power p/d even easier than s/d or d/p but in some its harder
melee would be the easiest as you just shadow shot for 3-5k dmg and put you on safe spot
but you must master your cnd

try 2,6,6,0,0 build first (like basic d/d) and after a while if you want to do more dmg than d/p or d/d go 6,6,2,0,0

here is my thread and video example

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/VIDEO-The-shadow-executioner/first#post4213476

some tutorial
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPuUQVDMjKU&list=UUcWnMDLv7r7EikeaBypE8tQ

i would think of a staff like ninja as unique weapon and more as aoe defense weapon
all attacks cleave with 300 range

AA chain
aa1 hit on the body 500 dmg base
aa2 hit and push back foes 150 range 500 dmg base
aa3 throw your staff on your foe for 700 dmg
aa stealth hit your enemies on the head and stun them if in 130 range, or vulnerable them for 5 stacks for 5 seconds
skill 2 hit your foes in the legs to cripple them for 3 seconds for 1k dmg and if your enemy vulnerable your dmg is doubled , 3 ini
skill 3 swirl your staff while reflect projectile for 3 seconds, 4 ini, and when activate hit your foes for 2k dmg, 1 ini
skill 4 smash the ground with your staff and create smoke field (blast finisher) and stealth, 6 ini
skill 5 block attacks around your area for 2 seconds, 6 ini points

so thief will have mid range aoe weapon and could help the group with stealth, blocks as both heavy ini so cant be spammable
and also have nice cleave weapon with average dmg with skill 1 and 2

traps as for now dont do anything
ambush – in duel its nice in venom share only
needle trap – immobilize and poison which cleans easily so you used 30 sec utility for nothing
tripwire – kd for 3 sec and then what
shadow trap – used rarely in pvp for fast moving in map

but thief need stealth, dodges, evades, blinds and combo or spike dmg which traps dont give them at all.

so maybe give traps more ability which can help the thief
traps must be radius area like ranger
2 traps should be condition base and 2 power base (like venoms do) or
2 traps stealth base and 2 traps boon/blind base
and lower cd as 30/24 seconds the thief gonna be dead without any good resource

thats why thief mainly use ss and sr and the 2 main utilities

so tripwire should do kd and 3k dmg (for 3 seconds as you want the aoe effect) – could be good in power base build for more spike dmg and to help keep distance while doing so

needle trap should get more conditions but shorter time like 1 torment, 1 burning, 1 confusion for 3 seconds and 3 seconds pulse for short aoe condi burst (so ppl will invest in 100% duration) and maybe be useful in wvw and pvp controlling areas and it wont be op as ppl can see red circle

ambush – give stealth to you when activate it and when trigger it and your enemies blinded also pulses for 3 seconds – could be good in the hands of p/p which has no means to stealth. and other setup wont use it as they need more power and ss/sr

if you want pd go power you’ll be amazed

great vid
lately every encounter i had ppl use meta build which is harder and longer to kill if outnumbered so gg to you

Anet you see thieves community even in traps thread talk about venoms

so pls do something about it or delete it

as the new change in trait and pistol

here are some example of leeching abilities (was discussed in other forum)

most will say the trait change 5%-8% isnt worth it (i might agree as you see i dont use it in this vid) also as sole minor buff to your hp
but all in all leech abilities can work nice even with d/x as now it hits 2 target

there are few more build options

p.s
i try it few time against warrior meta builds and didnt work for me at all, but against other builds and classes 50% success (i need more practice with this set)

i think you miss the point here
its not supposed to work as regen (i.e over time) rather as burst heal (semi heal skill)

i will try to show it on video soon with testing builds i have done around this idea

dev pls pls do something about it

3 skills which sit on my skills option and no one has any use for them

pls consider it

i hope the community will have some suggestions you can consider

like

1. we can use traps from range
2. lower cd as we need more defense ability so 3 sec kd in 24 icd won’t be much. so i can kd/immobilize every 10 seconds then wow some mean of defense tool.
3. traps does higher dmg (i mean much much higher to take as skill)
4. larger area of effect (circle and 240r )
5. more defense ability like smoke, fire, water for more combos (with p/p can be very nice)

pls pls dev read

1v1 you dont need thief guild and no venom share as pd alone can kill easily but yes it so much fun to down ppl in 3 seconds while eating while talking to your wife while changing diaper to your baby

not so much as you cant stealth in tpvp
your conditions take too much time to pressure
guardian/ele/necro can hold till his friend come and kill you

but its nice easy going build or if you team wants you as venom share you can allow them to do splits more easy but need coordination. you share venom go to far try to cap it or harass go again to help in 3v3 situation share again and all over again

but as you can see d/p can do it faster and easier with burst dmg and not over time

evilapprentice.6379:

messiah.1908:

MakubeC.3026:

evilapprentice.6379:

Lets say you do 30k damage in 15 seconds. That feels a tad quick to me (with blocks, invulns, blinds, dodges, kiting, etc), but let’s take it anyway.

At an 85% crit rate, 25,500 of that damage is critical, and will apply heals.
25,500 * .08 = 2040
2040/15 = 136HPS

Congratulations on your 30 point GM trait that is roughly equivalent to the Regeneration boon. You could have gotten that from Shadow protector for 10 points in SA, and it wouldn’t rely on you landing crits/being in combat at all, and can be used on friendly players to boot.

Garbage.

A hundred times this.

not so true
with one unload i can get back almost 3k health alongside with this trait…

To get 3k health back with this trait, you would need to do 37,500 damage, all crit.

Please tell me how you did 37,500 damage with 1 unload, because I’d love to run that spec.

Or were you taking into account SOM, food, and a dozen other factors? You know, things that Aren’t IP.

IP is garbage – your reliance on mixing its heals up into a bunch of other effects to make it look halfway decent only further proves my point.

You know when executioner is good? When it’s slotted. Sure, you can make it better with might stacks, food, vulnerability on your target and so on, but it’s good enough to be taken on its own merit. It doesn’t need crutches to seem halfway decent

pls read :“alongside with this trait”

i use som, food, rune, sigils, and TRAIT = >
1 unload does 4 hit from 8 crit hits for 4000 dmg so with this trait its 5% 200 health
som 125*8=1000
sigil of leeching 975 health
sigil of blood 450 so can be 1 crit as it has 5 sec cd
rune of vampirism – 15% chance with unload very food chance to proc 975
after heal skill use another 975
food 325 with 1 sec cd may proc 2 times so 650
assassin reward trait 420 health (not must)

total health gain from 1 unload = 4670 so 3k very possible if some hits miss

but again you lose power and 5% to 8% is only 120 more health which is too low to be GM trait

but if you take it with food only it can regen you for 400 shps if you crit
but i agree thief are not warrior so anet must not do this compareness as thief needs burst heal effect and not over time effect

lets say if you crit you get 50% hp back and 10 seconds cd more suitable to the thief gameplay (warrior can go health gain over time but thief has no time as he must burst fast and stealth)
and with this chance thief will play more aggressively and not perma stealth tizzer

MakubeC.3026:

evilapprentice.6379:

Lets say you do 30k damage in 15 seconds. That feels a tad quick to me (with blocks, invulns, blinds, dodges, kiting, etc), but let’s take it anyway.

At an 85% crit rate, 25,500 of that damage is critical, and will apply heals.
25,500 * .08 = 2040
2040/15 = 136HPS

Congratulations on your 30 point GM trait that is roughly equivalent to the Regeneration boon. You could have gotten that from Shadow protector for 10 points in SA, and it wouldn’t rely on you landing crits/being in combat at all, and can be used on friendly players to boot.

Garbage.

A hundred times this.

not so true
with one unload i can get back almost 3k health alongside with this trait so dont calculate it by hps (health per second) rather when needed
as if you need health regen so before you use your health skill you do small fast burst and get back 800-1200 health which is nice as it 25% from regular heal skill

Galandil.9641:

No SB, so where’s the mobility? I mean, in a close environment of max 5 players, I can’t see how this build would justify the presence of such a thief instead of other classes/builds when we drop the mobility down.

Edit: the 7 slot is still empty; reserved for SoS maybe?

reserve for venom

maybe we will see more group calling for 1 venom share thief in wvw and even pve and pvp arena

few tips in wvw:
run dollies – take withdraw with rune of the centaur and thrill of the crime => perma swiftness while stealthing them with stealth abilities SR and other combos
flip camps easily with condi base and caltrops
tag keeps and tower easily so you enemy will rotate the map or split forces
perma stealth and hide with mesmer inside keeps
most important be a pain in the kitten for the ele and necro in group fight

now with the buff coming up to the power p/p and p/d venom share group play :
p/p power build 0,6,0,4,4 signet of malice steal food and gm trait you can heal 2.8k every unload and with ricochet
or this variant if you know to manage your ini and give more health but less dmg
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fZAQJAqal8Mp7pFOx4JsPNBQBtdAKQ/9KJdnjyWDA-T1BGwAEV+l4EAUWPAgHAgJ1fst/wUlgECw8WA-w
pd venom share group play OP dmg burst to 5 allies so group up with 2 power necros 2 power engi and buff them up with venoms and they will be killing machine while you can harass easily between cd

so it seems to me anet want the thief to be more group oriented than solo as they nerf the abilities to hit harder while buffing the abilities to gain health or give more to the group
so again more nich build style

p/p could be more viable in group play but 900 to 1050 isnt that much if melee train run you over, thus maybe 1200 as any other classes have would be good

group build available:
power p/p with various healing ability each unload can heal 2.8k (in wvw mainly cause food) but deal less dmg without executioner
condi p/x with full venom share stronger than ever (maybe in pvp area too?!)
mix condi/power p/p set (nich)

no buff to the d/d set
welcome nerf to s/d spamming ppl
d/p need more brain and luck

this is my condi sb build
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fNAQNAV8YjEqUua7K+rQ1aAAhaVA0OFa2wmdD0BfQGTtStJ-TpRAwAfOIAAuAAUeAAdOCAlLD0b/BA
lots of poison, bleeding, chill , burning ,cripple to keep the enemy away from you while you 20 stacks bleed on him

aim above 2400 base power to be valid power build
take bloodlust equal to 7 stacks of might
middle fight i have around 2800 power

Lonewolf Kai.3682:

messiah.1908:

ppl chill

why all the hate from thieves community

Hmmm, I dunno, maybe you think it’s in return to the hate OP is throwing at those who use the SA line?

i know so just ignore his hate thread . but dont return in hate back

its not the mouse but the hands and head

ppl chill

he posted video and state trickery build

why all the hate from thieves community

i dont see any of you or other fellow thieves trying to post videos

and who made you to state that the enemy was noob. maybe he is great player who able to down fast unaware enemy

every time thief kill player fast ppl say noob opponent. maybe if you aint able to kill fast L2P as this is the thief main role hit and run and not kite

regarding vid

put music
put 1080 pls
and length up to 10 min

game play 8/10

i use balthazar from the start and use withdraw in the beginning to push my enemy to use cleanse earlier thus my seconds burst is free kill and if he push me i can dodge and stealth till 15 seconds pass and all over again

i once kill d/p thief just with withdraw and burning and AA alone (he probably wasn’t too good but was funny as he didnt know what to do with the 6 seconds burning |)

chill also great against melee classes like warrior, dd ele etc as they wouldnt be able to hit you

gg and finally original video from thief

i know you and you are not average player

as you and the community see, out dodge and out stealth pretty much determine the outcome of any fight. pls show video against d/d ele and warrior and guardian too

and why you never use the #3 skill and why the hell there are #3 at all in one hand weapon as no one use them at all in any situation

the condi engi should had you imo

(also moved to deso so pm we can roam)

the 2,6,0,0,6 made for cnd bs and hs spamming for great dmg above the d/p which has no cnd

but you can do 1vx with it as its hard for you to stealth and get the benefit of it

with team is great as you can burst and stealth to your next target

in wvw in raid i use it to down ppl fast 1 by 1 and look for the enemies below 50% hp

still maybe in 1v1 its good as you have the time to handle the fight (as you can see 3 min fights 1v1) for me its boring if the fight is over 1 min and against thief who is perma stealth d/p . but this is me

i like to take more risk and go with more power and crit
even in tpvp i took an ele in 2 seconds that my teammates was amazed how i did it
but in 1v2 against 2 hambow warriors i couldnt do a thing till my team came to help.
and as i can see the cnd spamming and the right time to hit is the key to win and not the gear you wear.

i like to run something like this if i want to do both condi and power dmg
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fZAQJAqYl0MpopdPx0J8PNBNBtdGGeE4uG5YGaFAA-TFSBABVt/AsKBvU9HX0Dwg5PmU+twJAAgHAApAGYLA-w

frans.8092:

messiah.1908:

p/d with celestial – why ?

Because P/D gets to make use of 6 out of 8 of celestial’s stats, Power, Condition Damage, Precision, Ferocity, Toughness and Vitality. For a full set that is about 3000 attribute points being put to work, versus about 2600 for a set of regular 3-stat gear.

but again does a thief can allow himself to be with average attribute points

like mediocre power/condition which is basically no burst at all

sure i can kill bad players but against the meta builds and some variant you probably wont

really fun to watch

but i dont think its the build rather the player

i also used to run some variant with p/p 0,6,0,4,4 or 0,6,0,2,6 with life steal sigil and runes and food for more life steal
ints nice in 1v1 and gave me some nice result as ppl dont use to fight in so many blinds
but for me i yield about 50-60% winning.
in 1vX not possible at all
and in guild raid nice dmg with ricochet

thanks alot relly helpful

hope can you help me in wvw raid/group build and weapon set which is the most needed/available atm

thanks in advance

its also depends on your playstyle

if you more stealthy thief than you wont do sustain dmg much often so you would be better with sigil which give burst like air+fire (air will do 1.2-1.5k, fire 0.9-1k)
if you more AA player who knows when to dodge and hit again you should benefit more with constant dmg umplifier like force

i prefer air+fire and sometime blood on my second weapon set

p/d with celestial – why ? pistol is the worst dmg in the thief hands combine with celestial making it worst. i would take carrion or even full power build as his play style changed from burst to kite

i changed to power p/d and its so useful wepaon set versus ele/mes/engi/ranger/thief
even some warrior builds as you can burst from range and be safe

also if you closly look from thief players videos in the last year you will notice how anet change the thief play style from bursty player to kite player

go 6,2,6,0,0 meditation build full condi (pvp carrion, wvw dire) you will do great 1v1 and some 1v2 and also in group fight

try d/p as defense weapon set .also you can do nice combo with blind shadow strike and shadow shot bp+hs +sneak etc

all the above rune suggestion are great it all depends on your style

i like balthazar – new condition which no one expect you to do which buff your dmg around 1k dps
grenth – also used it few times. great against melee class as p/d keep you in safe distance while you can pew pew them to death. also good in gorup fight for aoe chill like mention above
krait – the most common but for me doesnt give any edge. same conditions every 45 sec which i can proc even without the runes. but give more duration to our AA bleeding. so for me not so usefull like the above runes
torment – another good runes which buff you duration mainly

carrion v dire – you wont benefit enough from the power as you do with toughness
the pistol dmg is the lowest so even with 2k power you wont do much dmg

it might work in pvp and some duels in wvw but if you get stun by hammer warrior you will go down faster than with dire armor

i might go with 0,0,4,4,6 for more condi cleanse blind and bit more toughness

also play what ever suit you

after you master it you will know how to kill one

i used torment and it could be fun to cause 11 stacks of in fast but as it is same condition it can be cleanse much easier than new condition like burning and also burning does much higher dmg

dont forget that p/d thieves can down ppl in 5 seconds if they already used their cleanse skills so having 10 sec of torment might be useless

and yes the price is to high for it

nice vid but

if you dual roaming you must improve your target decision

1 d/d ele – they do nice dmg and its aoe
2 thief they do most burst
3 uplevel as they are easy to down fast
4 ranger also easy target and necro
5 guardian and warrior easy but longer to kill
6 mesmer the most annoying to kill

also call your target for fast dual burst. dont work alone . as you saw you could down faster if you target the same enemy
use cnd on one enemy and bs on the other to confuse them and force them using dodge and utilities

i remember the time thief could take 1v5 and win…..

pd condi kill them all
also p/d power
dp would take some time
d/d have hard time
s/d boring for both

you can go commander as all class commander usually dont do lot of dmg rather have to stay alive longer to give command

so aim for 3k armor and higher vitality with full pvt for power dmg or dire for condition dmg (pvt much better)

here is a build i theortcraft

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fZAQNAV8al8MprptNxsJ8PNRSBx9CCQD06wdfiSMVA-TFSBwA4U/JryvzKBTpbYxBBg3+DaeCAAuAAkBgZLA-w

high power so your dmg will be nice
high armor and vitality
good utilities than benefit your team with you (i know ppl dont like traps but give it a try as its group build and not solo)

you basically using SB for blast and poison area pressure and s/p to secure a location when there are down enemies
your venoms which you sharing at the right time can immobilize and stun 5 enemies fast and with traps which unblockable can further help you to control the area around you as commander and give 10% more dmg so your team dmg will be higher

you shouldn’t use SS SR as team must follow you so basically any thief escape utilities isnt for you as commander

and you are not lootbag if your team has 2 guardian and warrior and ele who know the job

dont forget to use PW when burst as it evade skill so while not taking dmg you are doing some (it like the guardian block ability and warrior immunity for dmg)

pls do 1v1 against meta builds
i started doing it too but i am lazy atm

i would love to see 1vx as hardly i see ppl doing it (thief nerfed)
also small group fight and some guild fight if you have (like gvg etc)

everyone say thief has no spot in big group fight lets show them otherwise

it really depends what you like

i started as d/d and even when it got shift to d/p

sb is by far the most commonly used as stated above – good range dmg (sometimes higher than p/d)
s/d is again melee weapon and if you get used to it too much it can be hard to play d/d as you might lose too many ini (at least i am)
lately i started working around p/d build and i find it best with d/p because of #3 combos and not the perma stealth which i hate

every time i see d/p and i get them below 50% the use #5 #2 and start trolling so i back away from boredom

i use SR combo if i am sure i gonna for the kill from range 1v1 (below 25%hp)

addressing the topic again

i would love to see also how to play a thief in pvp area even with pugs tpvp

i main problem is when i go far and i get 2v1 against meta build and its very hard to win and control the point as thief so what should i do etc…

pls do as i always love to learn

@Geiir – tested the dmg with your new trait idea – it is bit higher if you manage your ini right above 5 and also you get bit more condition dmg so your actual tick is higher with 5 bleed stack its more 400 dps for 4 seconds
and the food is good idea too!

gonna search for some hybrid calculation ….

thanks