Guild Wars 2

@apocom – where you saw me saying i am great player. i am an average player.
i play thief from the beggining and run all spec before ppl knew them as i love theroy craft and to experiment new things.

i am try to defend this weapon set as ppl imo dont truly understand if they just say it cheesy without explaining why. if its because they are so great which enable them to kill fast other enemies maybe its not of the weapon set. for me s/d build is much “cheesier” with perma evades and dodges.
i have killed few p/d as d/d and as other proffession so i dont think its cheesy.
yes this set is very easy 1v1. but try play against guardian and it will be harder.
also i dont like to play common build that why i love theorycraft.
also in zerg as state above full venom is very strong – countless times i heard the necros asking me to change to my panicond build (i wish anet could change that you could see the dmg done by your venom share). but some other group which dont spec accourdinly rather me to go full power build.

also zerg imo is not orgenized group . gvg it is. so yes in gvg dont go condition build. in zerg i always can stack condition for 5-10 seconds without being cleanse( sure i use on backliner and not warrior with shout) also when it get cleanse i can put immideatly other stacks (thief initiative spamming skills)

p/s i remember the day ppl qq on backstab thief

with some trait/utilities variation in zerg v zerg the condi thief can do the same as power one

thief can role what ever and be best in it

most ppl will say condition for roaming as now the meta is so condi bias, but also power one are viable like s/d d/d d/p

for group its the same. most say go power but it really depends on you and the enemy you playing against (wvw)
if the enemy move really tight goind melee power wont help you much as you will take too much hit to do good dmg so range will mostly do better so p/d condition will be more effective
the more the group less orgenize go power

for me its the same as i noticed i down more or less the same numbers at the same time frame

regarding which will kill faster it really depends when you start counting the seconds
power will do short huge burst but will have to stealth/dodge away until the next burst
while condi can do constant dmg which yield the same sustain dps over time

here is my variation on pd power build
(if posted before sry in advance)

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fZAQNAqYVl0MpoplOx7J8PNBPhs9gEB4uUqRdFE-TFCEwAGeAAMV+h4EA0RfAgDBgL1f8t/wWlgkC4ptAA-w

the build idea:
as p/d direct dmg is bit low i am using steal life abilities to buff it up and also
10% more dmg with pistol
20% more dmg below 50% hp
10% more dmg if initiative above 6
leeching venom does 1.7k-2k dmg and health regen
sigil of blood add 450 dmg
runes adding 1k on heal and on hit
air or fire sigil add 1k
shadow refuge combo also 2k dmg
conditions will confuse your enemy and adding bit more dmg

AA – will do about 0.8-1.5k dmg
sneak attack – 3-3.5k dmg
shadow strike – 3-4k dmg
cnd – 2-4k dmg
total 9-13k+ 3-5k life steal+1k air sigil

comparison with d/d set – dont forget its needs you to be in melee range
AA – 1-2k
bs – 5-8k
cnd – 2-4k
total 8k-14k+ 2k air+fire sigil

so the p/d can hit even higher in the right circumstances and its range weapon
you can also use d/p as seconds set for roaming and take mug variation

i will try to post some group play dmg demonstartion later

what you guys think of it?

:) lol i dont see your vid getting either

stop troll

i have nothing to say to you both. so just dont watch it

to all the ppl who likes to qq – this is condi meta deal with it. until anet change it again not likely)

@emi – both sets have same dodges gap closer (p/d has the opposite). tha main difference as i think it should be the d/d can do in short time huge burst dmg rather the p/d can do the same but in longer time. so hight risk high reward as it should be

also i agree above that the condi thief like every condi class got “buff” by the crit nurf .
the confusion trait buff replace the perplexity rune so no major buff here imo.

i dont want to take this agrument if its cheese (most thread here say it so.. so be it if you think it)
i also said its an too easy set 1v1. so dont play it 1v1. thief never meant to be 1v1 in wvw imo. it should go deep in the enemy and scout, harras, and kill periphery fast. if you looking for 1v1 roaming there are better class to do so.

also i put group play build which imo is same/better than d/d power set

and i would love to see some buff on d/d set but not nerf on p/d

even yesterday when i play with my guild 20v40 we won and some enemy qq how we are zerg with condi thief. i dont get it they want me to play build which you can kill me easily with 2k armor 15k health … if its work it work.

it amaze me how it is the only thread with most qq is the thief’s one. and the thieves player are the qqing.
instead of suggesting how to change or buff the other set you just qq.

but i still hope you like the video. and i will make power one soon i hope.
so get ready for s/d qq and stealth qq d/p

good player can survive good p/d
thief can go stealth and cleanse himself
i fought very good dd thief and he always rotate his stealth skills so it was null.
so 2 thieves who just go stealthy no one win (but the d/d has more lucky chance with hs spam)

fight against 2, 3 and 4 not 1v1 as i said it an easy set
try to down fast and not troll with stealth like pu mesmer etc

not its not
it depend if you 1v1 or 1vX . the more enemy the more pressure but more target you have
ele got aura to defend them
guardian block and blind
warrior bit block and blind but good immunity to conditions
engi good aoe pressure
mesmer stealth and clone to negate dmg
necro good aoe pressure with DS second life
ranger – poor ranger
thief -stealth blind as you do
also if your enemies know when and how to blind/block with aegis they can take you down fast or at least chase you away

@ismael – i know it but dont use it as this trick is cheesy. also usually i play 1vx so no build is cheesy in outnumbered situation
i dont know why you say its broken. your 18k burst is maybe in 6 seconds so 3k dps which is like power d/d which can cnd+bs+AA every 4 seconds
engi who put too many conditions is broken also ?
diamond d/d ele which can heal fast is broken also?
s/s lb warrior broken also?

and i tend to see that power build in group fight are less effective than condition as group tend to stick together so you cannot come close to them with 2500 armor and below. you spend most of the time dodging /running /stealthing while in condi build you can do much more sustain dmg and help the group with immobilize the weak

or maybe i am poor power thief player

after few questions i have been asked what i think on the p/d set in general here are my comments

p/d set is not cheesy. dont forget that the only “buff” it got from the last patch is 5 stacks of confusion. with perplexity runes it was 3 stacks.
the krait rune ppl using isnt such big deal as it gives only bleeding duration which the thief has already got AA which does an easy stacks so to get 80%-100% bleeding duration isnt much important at all.
the power d/d and condi p/d has the same mechanism. you need cnd to land to do your “burst” skill.
if ppl dont try to dodge/blind/block/evade it they will get sneak attack or backstab in the face.
i have fought few guardians which defend really nice with blind and block while doing nice pressure to me . also as you can see above the mesmer using evades.

but yes its more easy weapon than power d/d as you got more hp and toughness which give more room for mistakes but your burst is bit lower/slower than the power d/d

also the build above i am using is
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fZAQNAqYVl0MpppdPx0J8PNhMRxdO8C3g3bxY8haFAA-TVyCABAcIAq4IAcy+DHfCAQRTwL6B8R9nEVCmlyPSBAzcA-w

i took poison duration for more pressure, also balthazar runes are so good if you know to withdraw forward (also runes of grenth with chill)

the seconds build i use is http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fZAQNAqYVl0MpppVNxrJ8PNRMhw9uY98qr2NWEA-TVyCABAcIAq4IAcy+DHfCAQRTwL6B8R9nEVCmlyPSBAzcA-w

the immobilize alone is just an enemy killer

also steal health build http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fZAQRAqY6Yl0MpppFNx7J8PNRMhw9uf98qr2NWEA-TFyCABNqEEgjAgFPAA82f4F9D+o+TDnEgqU+RIAzzBA-w
you will be amazed by the lifesteal you can do… (if sneak attack connect its about 6-7k dmg and heal without considering the bleeding, poison, torment dmg (about +9k dmg)

hi there,
i have started to make a video on thief builds in wvw
why?
as i play from the beginning as a wvw thief and experience in all kind of builds out there (and few of my own) i want to examine which build is useable for each situation (and also as many ppl here just qq or say one build is not good without explaining why or prove it by video of their own)

the first one is on condi thief solo and group play (yes group play)

it has few tips for newcomers and also few tips in the end and if you watch closely you can see and learn how to counter it (many ppl qq on condi thief these days)
i intentionally put video where i did a lot of mistakes so you can know how to counter p/d
and also in group play as ppl qq that enemies cleanse condition so fast. you can see 5k burning dmg to 1-5 enemies.

hope you like it as much as i do and feel free to ask question

to be continued on power builds

(p.s. as for now the condi thief and power thief in group play (not gvg) manage to do the same sdps and down ppl equally. at least for me)

@zach i use the same build idea just with power runes as precision dont give much back

why you tell them ? why? why?

imo p/p set need evade or stealth ability
using unload restor 50% endurance would be nice
using unload have a second skill which enable you to evade while doing 2k more dmg (buffing the unload dmg and evade – like the s/d)
using unload from bp give you stealth (like d/p but cost bit more as it range attack but also raise the sneak attack dmg)

dont use rock dog rune
it reveal your location and that how the thief hit you so much
some clips were kinda troll like the warrior +ranger in the home border
and havent you seen the ranger has used traps. why the hell did you step on them and didnt use sb

and to all the ppl say they hate thief if after 2 years of game you still havent learn how to deal with stealth thief l2p.

tip – if he used sr back of for 15 seconds than he will be reveal
if he use bp+hs back of 4 seconds dodge on 2
if he cnd back off 4 seconds dodge on 2
cut your movement 180 so he has to turn the camera to hit you . it will give you couple of seconds . if you just running away with your back open dont cry

i just went to my persmer to play pu and find myself a thief to fight with
very bornig predicted play style for both of us
3 min of SR, veil, etc… once he goes 10% hp , and once i go 30% hp….until i got bored and walk away and he just HS spamming to death

love it but put it on the engi forum

gg

i used panicond with condition pressure
he suggest power version which is much riskier (as i like)

down side as i use in with ambush and thieves guild ppl just run and w8 for 20 sec to fight again. so no game or i could gank them but than again i could do it with no allies as well

it can be fun to down someone in 2 sec

i tried to use venoms on power build but the low health and armor needed me to use ss and sr/bp for escape
so the basic power build with bit lower power but higher crit was better

as the new trait gives 5 stack of confusion you basically dont need more
few use perplexity with seconds set of d/p or p/p but as the build is bit OP now you dont need much more

there arent thief guides on anything lately
i would love to see that . i am doing thief guide on group play (but lately my group wants me on my power guard so it can take a while)
i use also d/d or p/d
on d/d there are several builds like 2,6,6,0,0 for roaming and small group fight but for bigger group i use 2,6,0,0,6 for more hs build spamming and steal uses
i would really love to see group fight as hardly ppl show it.
with p/d you can see i’m testing all kind of builds and post them for ppl to comment. (but not much love for pd at the moment)
point out how to play well as power thief like look for stability, aegis, learn other profession moves, when to heal and when to take a risk etc…
gg for the effort

like it says its spirit weapon. all know spirits cant touch you

i kinda like it
i do prefer ppl include fights they lost in hard situation so ppl can learn from it
i would take focus

feedback
show what it take from you to handle 1vX situation and what are the risks
as everyone hate thieves because they think its easy play
show short clips , fun, tutorial, unique moments etc
show special weapon set uses , and builds uses which are not common
show group play (most video out there are 1vx which is getting boring after 5 min)
show moments of failure etc

With this set up up should manage
With full meditation you should be safe with 2 stun break
Use blind as many as you can and focus when he burst you
Usually warrior when burst are bit stationary
Some time I like scepter with the cc and aoe also it’s aa hit 1-2k so it’s nice range pressure

Full zerk or mix with valk
You don’t need toughness if ppl can’t hit you

Ihave using speed rune too for quit some time
It’s good against the meta but lack the power you need
So it’s depend on how well you fight ie if you know o dodge the right moment and stealth you don’t need hp rather than power and vice verca

Hellwrath.5081:

My build 2|6|0|6|0 and my video, Not notice my video is the first of many, your opinion helps me a lot.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b63b6ngXBEU

learn to withdraw forward it will help you for not falling off down the cliff behind you
also 3v1 against the necro for few mins. nice play by the necro !

the ele owned you hadnt you cnd on that griffon
but nice play style
as mention above improve your editing

range are the easy ones i think as most of the time i try to stay on my target for cnd. so melee are the hardest.
actually the basic rotation will be :
open without venom and only 5+steal+dodge+1+3
then he will use cleanse and then you go full venom
or rotate your venoms when needed

for me cheesy build = meta build
everyone use them to boredom and no one try to find by himself something new
x/d set are the hardest i think as they need you to land your cnd to execute your burst
while s/x or d/p only need you to manage your ini bar
so all weapon set need some skills
i dont get it why ppl dont see the s/d as cheesy build with perma vigor and dodging and evades or the d/p with constant stealth on demand

and while i am w8ing for cd on venom i dont have utility escape so i need to learn my enemy moves and know what hit to evade and when to land cnd , so its not so easy and cheesy even in 1v1. i dont know many thieves who like to handle without SR or SS
also chill proc -66% skill cd so against ele/necro is so great
what this build excel is it punishing your enemy if he did a mistake right away as you immobilize him and full conditions on him . but if you have done mistake it will come back at you right away.

meta or not meta this build works (like every other build in the right hands)
when i went condi guardian before the patch ppl just qq and now you can see much more of them in pvp, wvw etc
sure in 1v1 this full venom very strong, 1vx very weak (but changeable with ss or sr), small scale very strong, large scale medium and need communications . spvp its nice to play but in tpvp not usefull at all.
so compared to other thieves build its nice build
i dont say its meta, its a build with new approach
d/d just 5+1
s/d 1+3
d/p 5+2+1
p/d 1+3+5
meta build are just another build which ppl find them easy to learn and to handle in every situation needed thats all.
so far i havent seen any thief posting his build in large scale fight and there is a reason for it. any build can work for a thief in large scale fight

what was the point in this video may i ask? 16 min 1v2 bunker build using cnd mainly to harass them
i am sure you had fun though

i am getting connection error(s) detected. retrying …

what seems to be the problem?

phaeris.7604:

Came here expecting to see a p/d thief press 1 a lot, not disappointed.

But really, the fact you basically never use 2-5 must tell you something.

it can tell alot
1. i use it only when needed
2. i dont need to as the venoms down ppl so fast
3. and i do use it especially 5

ryan.6217:

so as a full dire p/d thief, venoms are uneeded in a “chill immob build” … i run full runes of grenth, with sigil of ice and chill on my weps. my utilities are withdraw, roll for init, BP, SS, and basky venom. The weapon set alone has plenty of immob, and cripple, and with a 30% chance to cause chill on hit, with 25% chance to cause chill on getting hit, and chill at end of heal… youre plenty fine without icedrake venom. I have about 75% chill up time, which is plenty enough to make your opponent blow condi clears, and waste away to bleeds and confusion and torment and poison. plus in the end you also have 3 stun breaks and a condi clear under your belt… instead of 3 skills on a ridiculously high cooldown

again group play and not solo (ppl want to see it work in small scale and solo fight so i did)
in one clip i went 2,0,6,0,6 build as you mention

but you can see the warrior reaction … he hated this build much more

i wont start to sumup the group composition in group fight but the most important things are that the front line can cleanse and hit hard with some cc (hammer)
the ele should heal and cc and necro should burst with DS and wells skills.
so the basic 20 men composition are 5 warrior, 5 boon guardian/hammer cc, 3 heal ele, 3 power necro, 1-2 mesmer, 1-2 power thieves (scout or gank)
as you can see all classes have small abilities to cc and most of the enemy will use shouts and stability so for the first or seconds push thier cc and conditions will be wasted. also both groups probably use the same compositions.
while thieves as you say usualy group dont tend to take them (maybe scout) only 1 can give an opportunity to cc harder and longer with both chill and stun which spread out on 5 allies.
i know it might me like and mesmer job to just be as viel bot but its much important i think as groups never tried to fully understant it and tend to use only the meta skills/builds.

they were defently not baddies as they killed several players (other thieves, guardians and engineer)and also they used some meta builds (healsignet warrior with hammer stun).
sure this build wont be able to take all classes and all builds (as any other build)
sure this build need you to land your cnd and time right your attacks
sure if i want to 1vx i will take ss and sr

as you (and i ) said this build is good in 1v1
the chill and immobilize lock your target and give you some space to manouver while (as some mention) just spam 1 to put more pressure
you saw the warrior said he couldnt reach me – this is the idea
if i time my venoms right i can burst with my conditions to take down to 20% hp any player and even if i miss i can dodge, chill evade etc while my cd up again.

in small group this build is so nice
and even in big group fight as the cc you bring is too valuable compare to only dmg you bring as power thief (which warrior/guardian/ele/necro can do better)
so its a nich spot which so far no class can bring to the fight as i buf fthe group with 2 more stun and cc

here is a few clips dueling melee classes warrior (several meta builds) and thief power build. also the players knew my build so knew what to expect
these guys know how to fight and i want to thank them for letting me duel and examine my build bit more

i went full venom share as in group fight (didnt switch to thieves guild etc..)
the thief gave me the most problem with the stealth and blind but when i manage to hit him i drop his hp fast
i put clips of me doing some mistakes so ppl can see from what to avoid. mostly dont miss cnd

hope you enjoy it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h85AUoyGfAs&feature=youtu.be

i’ve played for a bit pd power spec
its fine, not recognize and not so common
your build lake the dmg it needs to burst enemy.
i know you afraid from being low on armor but thats all the point for going into power builds (high risk high returns)

here is what i used
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fZEQRAqY4al0MpppdPx0J8PNBORs9SUC3txraFA-TFCEABLq+zI7PQwJAYLlgMp8zgHAQb6HA4gAQGgqtA-w

the idea – your pistols doing more dmg so you got 10% from pistol (20% if you enemy below 50% hp) 10% when ini not full, about more 10% from vulnerability
you have swiftness (almost perma) you got 40% endurance return and nice 5 stacks of might
the venom stealth health (also shadow refuge) so you can burst just from steal health around 2k dmg
your sigils will do 2k more dmg
you can mix knight armor for more toughness if you like

the rotation should revolved around shadow strike and shadow shot as they can hit 3k-5k each and also put distance between your enemy
sneak attack can do nice 5k dmg and cnd 4k dmg

play with it and change trait if you like (mug for exp)

i dont care ppl criticise as this forum is the place for it
i do care ppl saying nothing but this is bad build or i am bad player without explain why

so far i have hardly saw s/d or d/x thieves is zerk/group fights and the ones i saw only 1 or 2 to down ppl from 50% hp fast and stealth out for 5-10 seconds looking for another easy prey. if its the way you like to fight do so.
while some will do 2-4 cluster bomb and roll out the hit and pressing 1 AA in between (oh #2 spam…)

the main problem is ppl dont understand this build purpose

you have the melee train to do the vast dmg and the power necro to do the burst aoe. so another direct dmg can be overpowered player which dont contribute anything to the group.
the thief main job is to take down fast and stomp and scout. (not from gvg pov – periphery harasser)
here if ppl say conditions get cleanse explain how can i trigger poison to tick 5-10 times while cover wide area …
also if i want to burst someone i can immobilize and my group will see someone slacking around and kill him fast.
regarding the might stacks i give, sure guardian can bring it easily to 25 but most of the time its done before the burst while i try to use it while we burst or after so the might maintain (dont forget enemy use well and null field)
and again the venom really help to catch slacking enemies and kill them fast

and if ppl say and think full venom its easy p/d try it yourself first without no escape tool.

@Reborn D – they were 2 guardians and 1 warrior. its hard handling with them alone (even in any other thief build). i tried to lure them to the guards so i can venom share there.
@Jugglemonkey – i can see why you’re saying that. for group play most thieves will go power valk/zerk build and use cluster bomb and in between use cnd etc.
i didnt go for the dmg build rather as the support build
i can aoe chill which is very important condition. here even better than necro
the immobilization is for full stack (10 seconds) sahre with 5 allies which is very powerful when time it right
and the poison aoe field which is far better than any other condition spec harass the enemy well.

as i havent compared it to the power thief i assuming that the sustain dps going to be ~equal in group fight. as the condi aoe does around 700 dps to 5 enemies just with SB (without taking into account your allies venoms) so power cluster bomb will do 4k *2 aoe in it best but then the thief will run to heal as his armor and health too low. so in 10 sec the dmg will be the same.

and for the ppl who dont like it – you dont have too. but dont say p/d full venom is easy mode build without any utilities to help you out.

The reason I don’t use utilities ate I know my limits and I know when to strike and how
I know my enemies rotation
And the Reason they don’t move is they immobilize and stuned and chill

p/d full dire are for 1vX and not 1v1 or just should be used by amature who need to learn it
s/d is for 1v1 perma evade 2,0,0,6,6 also bit broken with all the evades and dodges
d/p bit broken too with the constant stealth abilities
so every set has it up and downs (also as every other class)

so in the right hands any weapon set is powerful. if ppl dont like to fight against pd / pu etc they need to learn how to counter it

you need to be fast
you need to know how to handle 1vx situations till you party come
you need to burst fast ppl
and stealth away to your next job

if you wanna destroy s/d thief just interrupt his rotations (its pretty much like d/d ele)
cripple, chill, immobilize… and he runs away. but good s/d is hard to counter

Yamsandjams.3267:

messiah.1908:

ele – use diamond and fast heal, some aoe ,cc chill

This is why I like to slot carrion gear. Better DPS, and diamond skill eles are much more easily dealt with. You do miss out on some toughness, but you’ll kill them faster and just have to avoid being hit like normal.

you dont really have to.

if you roam 1v1 or 1v2 go full venom the ele will drop fast t0 20% hp with 10 stacks of might so you get same power as carrion gear

check my post chilli con carne (first clip against d/d diamond ele)

i have w8ing for this comment -took you long
teach me #3 spam with s/d with no team support full zerk
teach me #2 d/d spam with no team support full zerk
teach me #5+2/1 d/p spam with no team support full zerk

again you dont understand this concept if you think its just spam utilities. you have to w8 till your group clash till some of the enemies will be without stability and use their shouts than you spam it. you have to look carefully at the movement and you have to position yourself correctly

lets see you play with no escape utilities like sr ,ss, bp and stay alive and not run away when you take the hit as most thieves do ss away

share venum are not broken it just ppl and group dont fully understand how to use it correctly
thieves thinks that if one use full venum build it suck build so more ppl say it without even try it
small or big group with 1-2 venom thief is more powerful than 1-2 d/x thieves in it
they can buff the group before and middle of the fight with 2 stun on 5 allies, 10 sec of immobilize, weakness, poison 4 stacks of vulnerability all over
torment is used as cover condition and also poison (which also -33% heal) so also can be used on power ally
and if the thief think he can play as d/x go inside and out fast he is wrong and probably die.

i dont think more radios is needed. the thief need to be in group or walk close to one.
also to give your condition dmg is way OP beside the venom you use are cc mainly so beside torment none of them need to go with condition dmg

again think what you give to your group
poison – your enemy -33% heal
weakness (blast finisher) – 50% hit fail and vigor regen
vulnerability – 4% more dmg (and if the group hit the same enemy its even higher)
chill – 66% movement and cd
8 stacks of might (when the guardian buff ending)
2 stun on 5 ppl
immobilize for 10 seconds

sure in pugs zerg fight you wont be so noticeable.

so if just the heal venom could be changed for shorter cd or buff the heal as unblockable and heal you more i would be happier

hey it my new variant of my older panicond build
some of you wont like it as they got used too much for escape utilities
but i like it and this build buff up your group so much
with 100% chill duration and poison, and 70% bleed duration weakness and all other conditions
you are just a conditions machine
good in 1v1 or 1v2 (hard in 1vx)
great in team fights

it will make you a lot of better CND as its your only escape tool

i use superior rune of grenth (my older version used balthazar for burning dmg – op)

here are some example against hard condition cleaner profession – the eles/necro and some group play

hope you like it

few dueling clips
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h85AUoyGfAs&feature=youtu.be

nice fights espacialy 1v2 which for me its hard as guardian. i can kill 1 but is hard for me to down the seconds player

probably u using x,x,6,6,x full zerk build?

Littlefeather.8623:

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fVAQRAsf8dlsApcoNDxKI8DNR8QZdH8CZQ1BQC8oXNDA-TJhAwAJeBAw2fYcZAAHEAA

Yall do realize sword blocks as well as focus right? Dont need range weapon with sword and JI. In PVP I burn for 1040 with this build. No one has enough cleanse to keep it off of them for more than 3 seconds with the attack rate of sword and torch. Aegis block, Focus block, Shelter block, sword blocks… Have enough blocks and almost 18k HP, over 2.1k Armor, I kill faster than I will have to worry about it.

sword dont block it destroy so it will not proc burning while blocking