Guild Wars 2

Tobias Steele.2071:

Cry more please. This is the greatest thing that has ever happened to wvw and fools still try and make it look bad. Anet have done a terrific job with this patch, wvw needed more participation and now it has it.

1 aspect of the patch was well done, the removal of culling, the rest of the patch is the typical anet stuff up.

Progression was needed but not in the form its been implemented, and how long will people stay if its just PvDoor all the time and when it becomes clear exactly how unrewarding the progression system is?

Loco.4561:

Since they rightly or wrongly changed it so cata’s no longer damage rams through gates, they have made it even harder to defend a keep / tower against superior numbers. What’s the point in upgrading keeps/towers to re-enforced gates when it’s so difficult to defend those gates. You can’t go near it to repair as you just get instantly killed by the insane amounts of AoE splash damage.

How ridiculous that they ‘fixed’ catas but not other forms of splash damage. Anet to be fair you need to stop all forms of splash damage through doors.

SilverWF.4789:

So, only extra 5 supplies for… 520 WXP levels?
520 lvls or 2.6kk WXP or 100k and more kills or 5 and more months (nearly 1k kills per day)?
Are you kiddin?
Aren’t you said your game will be free from mindless grind?

Did you really think they would do anything that would give players a huge advantage?

hamsteak.1368:

the entire reason it’s rng is to increase revenue for anet

gw2 is a b2p game, they depend on people to buy gems to keep them as a company going; i don’t really see what the issue is

Its arguably exploitative even unethical. They can get people buying gems by putting the items direct on the cash shop.

Anet used to be a company with the interests of the players being paramount. its actions like this that have completely trashed their brand.

I’d urge everyone not to buy gems for this sort of crap.

I dunno why they just don’t put them in the gem shop either. Its made for that type of thing.

deracs.1762:

Some really good points in patch. Culling gone and I am very surprised/happy that even in huge fights the game is playable. Sure there is some lag in the truly big fights but overall it is working way way better then anticipated.

Yeah this is my experience as well, the reduction in lag was a happy surprise. I agree about the zerging hopefully it will calm down.

Although it was expected the lack of ascended items being available in WvW is ridiculous considering the amount of work it would taker to put them in.

DeWolfe.2174:

…#6 dam you… #6!!!!! Grrrr…..

Pretty much sums up WvW since patch? Can I get a +1 on this? :-) I imagine everyone at Anet is aware about the severe lag already but, please fix…. please?

Lag has actually improved for me and I was in some fair size zergs last night. certainly as big as T1 zergs. Culling has been removed and in the process the skill lag mostly went away for me, dunno why and I would hazard a guess that anet don’t know why either.

uberkingkong.8041:

This is a MMO*Role*PlayingGame.

These abilities can hardly be classed as character building abilities.

McDili.1549:

Now I’m not trying to bash on TESO, because I am anticipating it. But rather, the fact that another company is taking the ideas from GW2 and integrating into their game used to be something that very popularly happened to WoW. And GW2 is only half a year old.

That’s just fascinating in my opinion.

I think you’ll find that TESO is taking its inspiration from multiple sources not just GW2.

Vayne.8563:

Obviously certain things were making it harder to balance dungeons, because Anet wanted the content to be difficult. That’s their goal for these areas. They’re doing this to try to make it difficult.

COF p1 disagrees with you.

darkace.8925:

Substance E.4852:

Please don’t tell me that the developers actually know what they are doing because every patch they release makes it more and more obvious that they don’t play the same game we do.

If you believe – you truly believe – that the developers aren’t competent then why are you still playing? If the developers are as clueless as some of you make them out to be, then the game is doomed and you might as well abandon ship now.

I believe anet is under-resourced and has lost its vision for the game. This has led to bugs, changes taking far too long, solutions which merely short cuts rather than considered, short sighted decisions and decisions that anger much of the fan base.

Geotherma.2395:

Take Maw for instance. They made the timer longer,

The change to maw timer is ridiculous considering the restrictions on chests they also added. Whats the point?

For light armor I like the tactical skin but I already have it cause its available in Fireheart Rise.

Cake Tasty.2408:

Some screenshots (sorry I didn’t do all of them, but you can see prices and range)

Stats armours are same appearance as invader’s (old wvw armours), full set is 5.44g + 950 badges. No trinkets.

950 badges is still too much.

Vayne.8563:

Chessrook.8643:

Vayne.8563:

The question is why are people so attached to these short cuts?

Because speed, efficiency, and higher gold-per-second acquisition rate.

Right, which Anet sees as an exploit, if you’re doing stuff you’re not “supposed to be able to do”.

Yes but what they should do is fix the specific exploiting action not remove the whole thing, its the same response they have to everything eg. removing the orbs from WvW. Except in this case it doesn’t even have the WvW excuse of orb hacking being cheating.

Hope all the other splash damage that goes through doors was fixed then eg. engineers flamethrower?

Vayne.8563:

The question is why are people so attached to these short cuts?

Because they’re fun, they add character.

So one assumes they will fix this and people will lose the extra laurels?

Chessrook.8643:

Chickenshoes.6250:

They’re all very exploit capable. Just the teleport gun let everybody warp into dredge fractal cage, I cant imagine what ridiculous utility healing seed and molachevs brought.

I would much prefer they just delete these things however. It seems cruel to offer these cool things and then not have them work anywhere anymore. Not WvW, not dungeons, nowhere where people would benefit from them it seems.

How about in the main world which consists of around 80 percent of the total land area of the game, give or take?

Yes and what are people mainly doing at end game. Its an utterly ridiculous change given they don’t hurt anyone and is just reducing the game down to the lowest common denominator with a lack of character.

And why now given they’ve been in the game all this time? What has prompted this?

So they’ve got rid of the queu entirely? Are we supposed to just keep clicking?

Navzar.2938:

Change the WvW character limit and WvW character quality to reduce your lag a bit.

The prevalent skill lag is server side so there might be marginal improvement but not much.

Yeah I like what they’ve done with the armor and the armor skins although I think the amount of badges required is still a bit too much but I’ll be using to fill in the blanks rather than outfitting a character fully using it.

But the lack of jewelry options is a clear oversight.

RockonHarder.7235:

What i don’t understand is if they wanted to avoid the zerg why are they transfering to back up to the big servers again where there are even bigger zergs???

Read what he wrote again, its DB that are purposefully avoiding them.

Vena.8436:

Because then everyone will cram in WvW to farm badges to get every piece of Ascended? You can’t be more blind if you cannot see what sort of massive problems that would cause if all Ascended were available (or even just a few) from something you can grind at your leisure.

Well they should be transparent and say so then rather than say ascended will be available via WvW then not implement it. And there are ways around your problem anyway as others have already noted.

How did Orr events get nerfed? The fix to the way loot drops were calculated improved Orr immensely for me.

The base game is very good and has carried it as far as its gotten but its been hamstrung by stuff like the RMT aspect of the gem shop and the obsession with making it an esport. And the live support has been poor, on a par with swtor. As other mmos like TESO, Archeage, Wildstar and Defiance come out its popualtion will dwindle.

Shonie.5297:

“The goal for this system is to ensure that players always have something to constantly work towards. We want each character to have a unique experience in WvW, so World Ranks and WXP are all character-based values rather than account-based. We believe that in the long run, this will actually help incentivize players to experiment with various different ability builds for each character. It also creates a long term goal for players of multiple characters, as they can strive to rank up multiple characters to help show off their dedication to WvW.”

That’s pretty clear, right from Anet.
I’m not sure what your argument or complaint is, but any rebuttal can be directly pointed at that paragraph.

But the abilities that we’ve seen aren’t going to achieve that. I agree if more active abilities were added that there is an argument for being character based (but I doubt they will do that for balance reasons), although as others have said the rank should always be account based.

My comments:

This new WvW progression system is intended to enrich the WvW part of the game, in the same way that Map Completionists, Legendary items, and Ascended Gear, as well as cosmetic items are out there for the more PvE-minded folks.

Seriously? This progression system is nothing like any of these.

The ranks, of which there are around two-thousand come March 26th, will come at you relatively quickly.

This is good news.

The ultimate goal is that this new progression system will add thousands of hours of playtime to WvW, and finally give WvW players something to work for aside from winning or losing keeps for server bonuses.

Statements like this are just completely false. No-one will play because of this progression system unless they ad more and better items and its too mundane to really give players the sense of working towards something.

Items in GW2 have both an appearance and stat boosts that can be interchanged by various means. With the March 26th update, WvW players will have a whole new way to obtain various racial, special, and other items that were previously only purchasable with karma.

I just hope badge prices are reasonable.

Mike Ferguson: Honestly we got a much, much larger response than we were expecting early on. It turned out that people just really liked playing this style of game and we’re rapidly responding as fast as we can to address some of the concerns that people have brought up.

If this is true they weren’t watching the betas very closely or the online forums. As for the response time…… 6 months to get this patch is not a rapid response.

Do you consider the engine and client to be “done”, now, from a WvW perspective, or is there more to come?

Mike Ferguson: Well, we’re never really “done”. We’re hopefully done with this section of it, I can say that!

Well there is the emerging problem of skill lag.

Habib Loew: We have. That’s something that is a separate system away from the player culling system. We chose to address culling first because we felt not being able to see people in a fight is a big issue. Now that we’ve got a solution on deck for that, we’re actively looking into ways that we can modify the spell effects system to not only give better performance, but make smarter decisions about how we use spell effects so I’m really looking forward to that at some point in the future.

Hopefully not another 6 months, although in all probability it won’t matter by then.

GW2Hub: Does this extend to Ascended items?

Mike Ferguson: We don’t have it in for this particular build, but it is definitely on our list of things we want to add to it, it’s just that we encounter some issues getting it into this particular build.

But how hard is it to add a vendor and sell ascended items for badges? It was said months ago that ascended items would be available via WvW.

Vayne.8563:

If this helps differentiate the characters, then it belongs in an RPG. If it doesn’t, then it probably doesn’t.

But the point is the abilities are so mundane that they don’t.

Shonie.5297:

account-bound is poor design decision for the long term. that`s it.
it`s why people play alts… for the joy of levelling up and making new characters stronger over time.
if everyone just had every class unlocked at 80 as soon as they achieved 80 on 1 class, it would be pretty dumb wouldn`t it.
if WvW achievements were account -bound… people would get maxed out in say a few weeks or a month, and become bored because they could never again get the feeling of improving their characters over time on an alt.
account-bound is locking yourself out of content on new characters.

This would be relevant if the WvW abilities were interesting and provided genuine opportunities for different progression like the levelling process but from the list we have seen they aren’t, they’re mundane abilities that will help in WvW but are hardly anything to get excited as far as building a character.

They look like abilities that have developed in a short time frame to give the appearance of providing WvW progression whilst having little effect on the game, cause after all they don’t want to provide a barrier to entry.

Lensar.4920:

Interesting stuff. Siege bunker seems like a bargain if my price estimates are correct.

IMHO its all fairly mundane and doesn’t qualify at all as character progression. Your suggestions above are far more interesting.

Ohoni.6057:

A difference that makes no difference, is no difference. These rewards that you’re so gaga about don’t change the game significantly enough for people to make such a big deal about them.

So that’s another vote for “shut down the commendation store entire?” I mean, if the loot it contains is not important enough that people should care about not having access to it, then it shouldn’t be important enough to care if mega-guilds don’t have access to it either, right?

Exactly, BiS items are obviously not required as rewards then.

Valtrex.2895:

Funny, everyone said you were the best SoS had to offer and these past weeks of fighting you guys, I saw no actual guild coordination maneuvers, no form of field finisher combos, no use of specific class cycling, just mindless zerg hoping to win with numbers.

So I take it you’re weren’t paying attention.

bjchase.3074:

morrolan.9608:

<shrug> I know what coron is talking about cause I’ve seen it myself, even when not in the zerg, a DB tactic when they can’t overwhelm you is to avoid and cap behind you. How does that make for fun PvP?

So you mean to tell me that DB is avoiding the enemy, but still accomplishing the goal of taking a point? Sounds like tactics to me.

Sounds like PvDoor to me.

Porky.5021:

morrolan.9608:

Porky.5021:

morrolan.9608:

Richard Nixon.6573:

coronbale.3894:

…one that might actually stay and fight!

Scumbag Tsym- Complains you won’t stay and fight, transfers servers so they don’t have to stay and fight.

You realise that doesn’t actually make sense.

What doesn’t make sense about it?

One reason they’ve leaving is to get decent fights.

LOL

Sure. Everyone else left because they were turncoats and quitters (quotes from Tsym) but when Tsym leaves it’s to find good fights.

Whatever you gotta do to get through the day I guess…

Richard Nixon.6573:

Leader of Tysm posts saying how awful the zerging is and how they won’t stay and fight when confronted.

Tsym was originally on DB, but when we lost two matches in a row, they left. Now that SoS has to lose a few matches, they are leaving. Tsym isn’t staying in SoS and fighting.

What isn’t there to understand?

Except they did, for weeks after the other major guilds left.

Porky.5021:

morrolan.9608:

Richard Nixon.6573:

coronbale.3894:

…one that might actually stay and fight!

Scumbag Tsym- Complains you won’t stay and fight, transfers servers so they don’t have to stay and fight.

You realise that doesn’t actually make sense.

What doesn’t make sense about it?

One reason they’ve leaving is to get decent fights.

Vayne.8563:

This stuff was created to fill a void. Small guilds have tons of stuff to do. Big guilds, not so much. Particularly if you’re not a PvP guild.

Yes but then they gated unique rewards behind it and made the other method of getting those rewards unreasonably hard.

Richard Nixon.6573:

coronbale.3894:

…one that might actually stay and fight!

Scumbag Tsym- Complains you won’t stay and fight, transfers servers so they don’t have to stay and fight.

You realise that doesn’t actually make sense.

JaironKalach.4938:

Started reading this with my crash-helmet on, expecting another one of “those” posts. Instead, ended up with +1. I’m still enjoying the game, and expect to for a long while, but… all of your points resonate to some extent. I do wish that you hadn’t, even calmly, trashed Robert Hrouda. In the end, it makes it personal and detracts from the thrust of your point, which I believe is:

Your dungeon content has no “middle ground” difficulty level for less skilled players.

Your point was made eloquently and bringing him in didn’t add anything to it.

Yeah it did, based on the forum posts Robert Hrouda is the problem with the dungeon design because he has little idea of balance.

Daendur.2357:

ok but you really don’t know if they’ll add ascended gear in wvw or not (nor anything else).

The patch page is up why would they not mention such a thing in it? Whats the point of creating a special page in that case?

lordkrall.7241:

morrolan.9608:

Have you seen what the WvW abilities are? Its not the same thing at all. They are all passive abilities that don’t really inspire one to build characters in different ways.

Actually it does.

A camp raider will most likely not focus as much at siege, so he would probably build more for the mercenary and guard abilities. While one that focus primarily on taking towers and keeps would want to focus on Supply Capacity and Siege Damage/Defense.

Given camps can be soloed already why would one need to take guard and mercenary abilities?

MikeFerguson.8921:

We are planning to add more stat sets and appearance options that can be purchased with badges in the March update. We’re still working on the full list so I don’t want to dive into details yet, but it is something we’re working on.

So is this happening, there’s nothing mentioned on the patch page? And please don’t make the sets for ridiculous badge prices like the invader set.

Pirhana.8935:

wanting your WvW rank to carry over to otehr characters would be like leveling a guardian to 20 and then expecting all your alts to be automatically level 20 as well.

the ranks are progression to building a character, the same way you level up each character

Have you seen what the WvW abilities are? Its not the same thing at all. They are all passive abilities that don’t really inspire one to build characters in different ways.

John Widdin.9618:

There was a post not too long ago stating we’re getting new WvW specific gear in exchange for badges. We can only hope.

I don’t think they specifically mentioned badges as the currency.

Neandramathal.9536:

And yet they gave us this “trash” because people whined there was no progression in WvW, and still would if they had spent all their time on class balance instead.

Dev’s can’t win whatever they do really.

Or this sort of progression isn’t what people were looking for.

Hilda Raven.8641:

I’m new to WvWvW, only been playing it truly a few weeks now as being primarily a PvE and dungeoner. My question is, is there a reason why the loot is so godawful in wvwvw? If there is can someone tell me? I mean even when i tried coming in with magic find up to my ears the loot barely gets better, even a green is like a rare blessing.

Just curious as to why compared to PVE loot is such a joke.

If you think its a joke now you should have seen it prior to the last patch. Its 100 times better than it was with the fix to the way loot is calculated in the last patch.

loseros.5912:

Looks like soon is goong to be the patch day, not before…

The patch page is up but there is not a lot of info on it, basically the supposed WvW patch consists of:
1. the progression system (which is underwhelming)
2. culling fixed
3. leaderboards that also cover sPvP

lekyii.9856:

“We’ve made vast improvements in World vs. World with the elimination of culling, a process that used to make some enemy players invisible in large groups. Beginning March 26, you’ll be able to see way more players on-screen in WvW, even in the largest pitched battles! "

they didnt use the word completely, so maybe we will have culling after march patch??
And they say that we will be able to see more player not all the player…

Culling has been moved to the client side with options, so if you don’t set your options correctly you’ll still have problems.

Not from the look of it. From the new Flame and Frost the razing page the supposedly WvW focussed patch will only feature the underwhelming progression system, the fixing of culling and leaderboards.